A mechanical chronograph for buttons is unbelievable. A COLUMN-WHEEL mechanical chronograph with swiss-inspired, vintage calibre, for buttons. My mind has exploded.
@@pauldelarzac615 Indeed. I saw a clip of an interview with Kyle Schut, of Straton, and the challenge of locating a reliable and consistent source for this calibre, with respect to quality control.
Yep totally agree, they should put open cases on a lot of the watches like steeldive,parnis,ect , it would make them so much more desirable and open cases can't be more money than the full face case or can they? But whatever I agree that open cases are so much better..
@@James_k59psn Yeah but be honest how many people who buy these watches are going deep diving it's like all the people buying 4 wheel drive jeeps but only go to pick the kids up from school and go shopping with,,open case backs are good enough going to the beach ect ect, so I was just saying they look so much better ,plus when you actually see all the working parts you get a bigger affinity with the watch ,well at least I did ,you can't get that with a quartz.,cheers anyway pal..
@@darrenfry4695 I admire Orient for putting a glass back on the auto I bought. I appreciate the view of the , emm, industrial movement. What more can you expect at the pricepoint.
The 40mm just looks too large and therefore modern. I like the 37mm way better. I still have a one-off HKED 1963 without blue and red accents. It just looks classy.
And the hands! They look like they are the same length on both. On the 38 mm they run out to where they should be, but on the 40mm they look too short. I'm with you on the 38mm Csaba!
I have the 38 in the black and red colour way, it wears more like a 36. Certainly 38 is very small for a chrono, I usually wouldn't go beyond 39mm in a watch, but for some reason chronos suit a bigger case
I have the 38mm from the same manufacturer. It is the most charming watch I've ever owned and fits my 6.75" wrist perfectly. I am of the opinion that vintage styled watches look best with vintage proportions. The 40mm wears like a 42!
To me, the deal breaker is the hands : it appears they are the same on both sizes, which means that while on the 38mm they fit perfectly, on the 40mm they just fall short.
100% the undersized hands makes it feel just that much bigger than it is. They should really be very slightly wider, as well as longer, to keep the balance right
The hands do not blank out the indicies below them that is considered a plus in some applications rather than too short of hands... they look ok to me maybe too long on the smaller dial face...
Interestingly I think that varies between sellers (ie who's factory could be bothered to source two sizes of hands) because I've seen some where the hands go to the same place on each size
The hands! Clearly they’re using the same size for each model as on the 40, they don’t reach into the seconds track as they do the 38. That bugs me more than the 50 lug to lug. 7.5 wrist here, I’m going for the 38 still.
Bought the 38 mm but found it too small. 40 mm looks much better but the 50 mm lug to lug is huge for a 40 mm watch. Could be a problem. Really interested in the bronze version. Great video Jody explaining the differences in sizes. As always ,a great job.
@@glenm2113 im incredibly late to this. But im looking to get my first real watch and had my eyes on the 1963 for a while. What width is your wrist? I've got quite standard, oval shape wrists and would like to know what a 40mm would look like. I've tried a 38mm on but its just too small. Thanks for your time
@@korbenmansfield8439 I've got a standard 6 .75 inch wrist. Anything over 50 mm lug to lug I struggle with. Didn't buy the 40mm 1963 in the end. I have Seiko turtles in my collection which are 44mm across,but only 47mm lug to lug which fit me perfect. The 44mm bulova moonwatch at 52 mm lug to lug and 40mm Tissot prx wear too big on me I think. Hope this helps.
I've owned the smaller version five or six years now. It's a beautiful accurate watch. Before I retired last year I used the chronograph function several times a day every day no issues.
I replaced my 42mm version with a 40mm version. For my 6 3/4" wrist I believe it looks perfect. Mine lives on a blue leather Ostrich print strap, and it suits the dial and blue hands perfectly
I bought the 42 mil about 4-5 years ago, choosing it over the 38. I love it, it looks and fits great to me. I do notice that if I see it on my wrist in the mirror, it looks a bit big. I think the 40 would be perfect. And the prices have come down in that time as well.
Id love the 40 mm but that lug-to-lug is HUGE!! The Casio Duro is 49mm and it is the upper limit for me. Really thinking of picking one of these up for that display caseback.
I currently have a 40mm panda dial version of the seagull with a modern handset that looks like a Hamilton mechanical chronograph. Lovely watch but not often worn. For some reason chronographs don't appeal to me the same way a diver or 3 hand sports watch does. 🤷🏻♂️
I've been wanting a mechanical chronograph for ages but didn't know there was any such watch available below £1500 so I was delighted to see there are these beauties on the market. I have now ordered one like this, 40mm, sapphire crystal, exhibition case back. Perfect for my wrist. Incidentally I mainly collect vintage watches so I have 18mm straps coming out of my ears lol.
I will always be a fan of the seagull, 40 is a great size and this design is a classic. I could imagine there being high end versions of these movements, maybe a micro rotor version some day!
Just bought one of these today from a dealer in Shenzhen China. I live in Chengdu China. It was explained to me by the dealer that this watch is not made by seagull, but it’s made by another company called Redstar. He stated that the movement is from seagull, however. The Seagull company has shops In some cities including Beijing and Shanghai as well as in some airports in China. In those shops I have seen the original 38mm 1963 which I assume is made by Seagull itself. The price on those watches retail is around USD $800, while I just paid around USD$ 200 for the 40mm Redstar 1963. I am now awaiting delivery and I am anxious to see what I’ve just purchased!
Have you looked at the new sugess chrono premiers? Despite it being old, the ability to own a mechanical chronograph in this day and age (that you can see) is phenomenal! I’d probably pick the 40mm if it were me
When I look at the subdial layout the proportions if thr 38 mm are so much more pleasing for me. Besides as an all dial watch I believe it'll wear a little bit too big for my liking.
I have the Sugess 🐼 dial in the 40mm with the sapphire crystal. I put it on a nice, grey, Italian leather rally strap. It's a beautiful watch let down by the dodgy branding. I wish the Chinese Star model came in a panda colourway.
Pretty sure they make a star version (older looking) white panda in 40. Edit: seems it might be 42mm. There is an older looking sugess panda with more traditional lettering and a star on the second hand.
They are an iconic watch for sure. I think the 38 looks much better on you as well. The new Hemel Airfoil runs on the ST19 with the Swan Neck. It's really become a popular movement. I'm guessing there may be different grades available when purchasing these movements. Love the shirt!
I'm glad I have the 38mm. With a lug-to-lug just over 47mm (I measure about 47.3 on mine), it wears as big as anything in my boxes (it's longer than some of my watches that are over 40mm case size). I really prefer a lug-to-lug around 45mm or less. I really like 36mm size watches on my 6.375" wrist.
People need to remember that a 2mm increase in diameter doesn't equal a 2mm increase in circumference, hence the large difference in overall size. 38mm = 119mm circumference. 40mm = 125mm circumference. Area covered: 38mm = 1134 sq mm. 40mm = 1257 sq mm. It's actually _these_ two measurements that make a watch look right or ridiculous on wrist. Then you have to factor in the crown and any bezel over-hang. If you're buying in-store obviously you can try it on to see if it looks OK, but if you're buying online I'd suggest raiding the kids' geometry set, mark out a circle of the diameter and rectangles at top & bottom to represent the lugs. Cut it out and lay it on your wrist. Then at least you'd have an idea of how much real estate the watch will cover.
@@AK-rq1cz To be fair, most people don't consider it. They see _x_ diameter and think that's all they need, not realising that when it comes to circles, one change in measurement it affects _all_ the dimensions. Now, obviously when you think of a rectangular watch, a 2mm width increase is just that, a 2mm width increase. It doesn't really affect the lug-to-lug or overall wear of the watch.
I have a 38mm Seagull 1963 with Sapphire on a Rios light brown leather strap. My friend liked it so much I got him the 38mm Sapphire version from Aliexpress. He loves it.
I have really been liking smaller watches as of late... I have around an 8 inch wrist, but can still easily pull off the 39mm Islander field watch. I think I'm gonna have to pull the trigger on the 38mm 1963! That and the San Martin retro diver with the pencil hands are on the list for next week 👌
I just got into Islander watches and am irked to have missed out on the emerald 38mm. Got a Pepsi 38mm the way though. Marc is a straight up player & I'm glad he's found such success with his own brand. Dude can't miss 💯
I've remarked that they are using the same lenght hands for a 38 and a 40 version and therefore on 38 version minute hands go all the way to the outer edge of a minute track and an hour hand reaches markers and it is so much better looking and it is much easier to read. Also, it is the way it should be. So, 38 looks better.
They seem to have used the 38mm handset including on the sub-dials. The dial on the 40mm looks as if it’s outgrown the hands. Much prefer the 38mm version for this reason.
A UK seller on eBay sells the 42 mm version with swan neck regulation, display case back, sapphire crystal and two straps for 224 euros plus 15 euros shipping.
The dial on the 38mm just looks better proportioned to my eye. I like that the minute and chrono hands reach completely to the outer track of the smaller dial, and there’s a bit too much champagne null space on the 40mm that gives it a comparatively gaudier profile. What I like to do is throw the 38mm on a bund strap to bolster the wrist presence and really commit to the throwback feel.
I'm with you Jody,the 38mm is the sweet spot for us with our 7" (17.8cm) wrists.Mine came from Sugess and so far is keeping good time.Just a slight gain over a month or so............................
Bought the 40mm. Love it. Most accurate movement in my collection. Also lugs don’t seem to be an issue. I like lug to Lug to be under 50 for my dainty wrists. But it wears fine for me. I really like it. For the price a no brainer. The only thing I would say is the chrono works fine but the Downey always want to reset. Oh well.
I have the 40 mm purchased from an Australian dealer, Burnside Chrono. I got my Steeldive from them as well. He supposedly tested several before picking the one he sent to me. He said the failure rate on those old Venus movements was about 15-20%. Mine has been ticking along just fine since I got it.
What's common for all the best looking watches is a balance between diameter and lug to lug distance. Some watches have such massive lugs that you suspect 50 mm lug to lug on a 36 mm watch. The Seagull is a bit on the "too much lug" side - reminds me a bit of Vostok, where they seem to favor the "got to have a mile wide gap between watch and bracelet" approach.
I still can't decide if I'll ever bite the bullet...I think it'll have to be a toy purchase in some future where I have all the more finely finished pieces and can think of this as a frivolous, fun piece.
I agree that the 38mm just looks better proportioned than the 40mm size one. I have the 38mm version and really like it, in spite of having a largish wrist at 7.5 inches. I also have a collection of vintage watches so I'm used to wearing 34-35mm watches occasionally. As a result, I have a decent collection of 18mm straps anyway. The smaller size fits its vintage vibe. I never really understood the "rule" that watch sizes have to correlate to wrist size. In the 50's and 60's, guys wore smaller watches, regardless of whether they were big guys or really slimmer guys. I'll wear a 34mm vintage Longines or a modern Panerai.
Men really were smaller in the 40s, 50s and 60s. I really learned this when I started collecting vintage fedoras from this period. I only collect what I can wear and my hat size is perfectly average (7 3/8"). Vintage hats are almost always too small for me.
I am really warming up to this version of this 40mm Seagull Chrono. I see this going on my Christmas "wish list", budget permitting ! You sold it to me Jody. Thanks !!
Not sure what movement it is, but the Phylida Speedy homage is $300 and uses a mechanical/automatic movement. My moans and niggles on the 40mm 1963 is it looks like the enlarged the dial but used the same handset. It's kind of OK on the 40, but if they did the same thing on the 42 it won't work at all. And no lume pretty much rules it out for me.
The 809 feels tiny to me at 37mm. I have that watch and an SNZG15. I would recommend that one if you want that style watch in 42mm and are willing to spend more.
@@ernestbeggle1981 honestly today only I heard about these Chinese brand's. But looking at that beautiful movement kinda felt I needed one Also I will check on that SNZG15. Thanks for the reply
I have both 38mm with plexiglass front with transparent back and 40mm sapphire front and "1963" steel back. Quite differently looking watches, plexi suits 38mm version very well, it feels better proportioned than sapphire 38mm version.
Good video! I agree with you the difference 2mm makes is surprising. However, I own the 40mm and love it. I have not experienced the 38mm version. Keep up the great content!
Glad I haven’t gone and just blindly ordered one of these…I was assuming the 40 would have a shorter lug length. Thanks for the details Jodi…always good info 👍🏼👍🏼
I bought one of these a while back. My main complaint about this watch is that the dial and indeces don't have enough contrast. Couple that with the needle thin hour and minute hands, it's not easy to tell the time at a glance. And both the straps it comes with are garbage. Easily upgradeable since it's got the 20mm lug width.
Just notice the hand set on both watches is same size despite having different dial size. On the 38mm, its just right. On the 40mm, the hands is too short. I think the better 40mm watch with the ST1901 movement to consider is the new panda version from Red Star. The hands on are daphine style and perfect length to match the dial size. It does not over shoot the second marks or fall short of them. Will comment more when I get delivery of it.
I don't have this seagull 1963 or any seagull time to get with the program, I been wondering if need to purchase one...wish me luck....I just don't know if I need to pull the trigger on this 1963 incredible piece .... thank you my for another great episode 👍👍from St George Utah 👋
I constantly tell my wife 2mm makes a huge difference 😃
Ha!!!
Does she tell you otherwise?
@@perrychow5946 she says they all look the same to her.....the watches!
Too long and you'll miss the feeling at the root. 🤣
@@edwardtang1977 🤣🤣🤣
A mechanical chronograph for buttons is unbelievable.
A COLUMN-WHEEL mechanical chronograph with swiss-inspired, vintage calibre, for buttons.
My mind has exploded.
Indeed. But quality is a bit sketchy. Roll
If the dice. My chrono does not always work.
@@pauldelarzac615 Indeed. I saw a clip of an interview with Kyle Schut, of Straton, and the challenge of locating a reliable and consistent source for this calibre, with respect to quality control.
The back is the most interesting part. Seeing the gears and ballance wheel move inside the watch is so cool.
Yep totally agree, they should put open cases on a lot of the watches like steeldive,parnis,ect , it would make them so much more desirable and open cases can't be more money than the full face case or can they? But whatever I agree that open cases are so much better..
@@darrenfry4695 exhibition case backs don’t have as good of water resistance
@@James_k59psn Yeah but be honest how many people who buy these watches are going deep diving it's like all the people buying 4 wheel drive jeeps but only go to pick the kids up from school and go shopping with,,open case backs are good enough going to the beach ect ect, so I was just saying they look so much better ,plus when you actually see all the working parts you get a bigger affinity with the watch ,well at least I did ,you can't get that with a quartz.,cheers anyway pal..
Can you imagine what a skeleton version would be like?
@@darrenfry4695 I admire Orient for putting a glass back on the auto I bought. I appreciate the view of the , emm, industrial movement. What more can you expect at the pricepoint.
I just love the vintage aesthetic of the 38mm one. Looks way better in my opinion.
The 40mm just looks too large and therefore modern. I like the 37mm way better. I still have a one-off HKED 1963 without blue and red accents. It just looks classy.
And the hands! They look like they are the same length on both. On the 38 mm they run out to where they should be, but on the 40mm they look too short. I'm with you on the 38mm Csaba!
I have the 38 in the black and red colour way, it wears more like a 36. Certainly 38 is very small for a chrono, I usually wouldn't go beyond 39mm in a watch, but for some reason chronos suit a bigger case
@@Watchtrain I'm inclined to agree with you. Nothing more irritating than watch hands that look too short.
I just ordered the 38mm sapphire with display caseback.
I definitely prefer the 38mm. I love the simple, potent inspire look of it which, in the end has more presence.
I have the 38mm from the same manufacturer. It is the most charming watch I've ever owned and fits my 6.75" wrist perfectly. I am of the opinion that vintage styled watches look best with vintage proportions. The 40mm wears like a 42!
To me, the deal breaker is the hands : it appears they are the same on both sizes, which means that while on the 38mm they fit perfectly, on the 40mm they just fall short.
100% the undersized hands makes it feel just that much bigger than it is. They should really be very slightly wider, as well as longer, to keep the balance right
The hands do not blank out the indicies below them that is considered a plus in some applications rather than too short of hands... they look ok to me maybe too long on the smaller dial face...
I noticed the samething. I prefer the hands to reach out as far as possible, so I'll pick up the 38mm at some point
@@danielleclare2938 That's a taste thing, there's no right or wrong, just personal preference.
Interestingly I think that varies between sellers (ie who's factory could be bothered to source two sizes of hands) because I've seen some where the hands go to the same place on each size
The hands! Clearly they’re using the same size for each model as on the 40, they don’t reach into the seconds track as they do the 38. That bugs me more than the 50 lug to lug. 7.5 wrist here, I’m going for the 38 still.
Wish they had updated the hands, they look small and much better on the 38mm. Thanks for the review and comparison.
Bought the 38 mm but found it too small. 40 mm looks much better but the 50 mm lug to lug is huge for a 40 mm watch. Could be a problem. Really interested in the bronze version. Great video Jody explaining the differences in sizes. As always ,a great job.
I have a 6 3/4" wrist that is quite round, but the 40mm version fits perfectly
@@watchalot919 thanks for that. I've got a 6 3/4" inch wrist too.
@@glenm2113 im incredibly late to this. But im looking to get my first real watch and had my eyes on the 1963 for a while. What width is your wrist? I've got quite standard, oval shape wrists and would like to know what a 40mm would look like. I've tried a 38mm on but its just too small. Thanks for your time
@@korbenmansfield8439 I've got a standard 6 .75 inch wrist. Anything over 50 mm lug to lug I struggle with. Didn't buy the 40mm 1963 in the end. I have Seiko turtles in my collection which are 44mm across,but only 47mm lug to lug which fit me perfect. The 44mm bulova moonwatch at 52 mm lug to lug and 40mm Tissot prx wear too big on me I think.
Hope this helps.
I've owned the smaller version five or six years now. It's a beautiful accurate watch. Before I retired last year I used the chronograph function several times a day every day no issues.
Got the 40mm version with swan neck regulator. Awesome watch for the money!
I replaced my 42mm version with a 40mm version. For my 6 3/4" wrist I believe it looks perfect. Mine lives on a blue leather Ostrich print strap, and it suits the dial and blue hands perfectly
It comes in 42mm? I didn't know that.
@@SolidTime I can normally get away with a 42mm, but it wears very large
Where did you get your strap. I've been looking for some good ones
@@Jar0fMay0 ebay
Got a 42 that I definitely want to move on from. And replace it w a 38mm, because I like the watch.
My very first Seagull, 40mm sapphire swans neck, is currently in the mail. Cant wait to add it to the collection
Hey hello, I was thinking on getting the same one you mentioned.
Have you had any issues with it?
Thanks
I really think Ali express would email Jody saying “hey you know we sell watches wanna review one?” 🤣
I bought the 42 mil about 4-5 years ago, choosing it over the 38. I love it, it looks and fits great to me. I do notice that if I see it on my wrist in the mirror, it looks a bit big. I think the 40 would be perfect. And the prices have come down in that time as well.
What about accuracy? Does it keep the time?
Id love the 40 mm but that lug-to-lug is HUGE!! The Casio Duro is 49mm and it is the upper limit for me.
Really thinking of picking one of these up for that display caseback.
I currently have a 40mm panda dial version of the seagull with a modern handset that looks like a Hamilton mechanical chronograph. Lovely watch but not often worn. For some reason chronographs don't appeal to me the same way a diver or 3 hand sports watch does. 🤷🏻♂️
Yes! I have this one too and wear it on a gray Colareb Spoleto. I believe its given the nickname "Tianjin Panda". 😂
@@armandr1613 I wear it on a Milanese mesh as a dressy chrono. 👍🏼
I like pizza. It is nice.
@@DC-uf6ve Especially with pineapple.
I've been wanting a mechanical chronograph for ages but didn't know there was any such watch available below £1500 so I was delighted to see there are these beauties on the market. I have now ordered one like this, 40mm, sapphire crystal, exhibition case back. Perfect for my wrist.
Incidentally I mainly collect vintage watches so I have 18mm straps coming out of my ears lol.
I will always be a fan of the seagull, 40 is a great size and this design is a classic. I could imagine there being high end versions of these movements, maybe a micro rotor version some day!
38mm for me please Jodi. Prefer both the smaller size and colour.
Just bought one of these today from a dealer in Shenzhen China. I live in Chengdu China. It was explained to me by the dealer that this watch is not made by seagull, but it’s made by another company called Redstar. He stated that the movement is from seagull, however. The Seagull company has shops In some cities including Beijing and Shanghai as well as in some airports in China. In those shops I have seen the original 38mm 1963 which I assume is made by Seagull itself. The price on those watches retail is around USD $800, while I just paid around USD$ 200 for the 40mm Redstar 1963. I am now awaiting delivery and I am anxious to see what I’ve just purchased!
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Bought a 1963 a few years back in sapphire from Marc at Long Island watch. Changed the strap, darker brown leather,. It has help up well.
Excellent review - I returned the 40 mill as it felt too big and some of the charm was lost, whereas I love the 38 mill version
November 1963 was when I came into the world so I've been trying to resist buying this as my just one more watch for quite a while - damn!
I'd say you have to get one then , albeit I'm pretty sure they were first introduced in 1961 🤦♂️ Happy birthday Nick 🥂
@@islandterror5198 I think you're right. Many thanks.
Have you looked at the new sugess chrono premiers? Despite it being old, the ability to own a mechanical chronograph in this day and age (that you can see) is phenomenal! I’d probably pick the 40mm if it were me
When I look at the subdial layout the proportions if thr 38 mm are so much more pleasing for me. Besides as an all dial watch I believe it'll wear a little bit too big for my liking.
I agree with your assessment whole heartedly, but I got the 38mm for the sake of "authenticity"
I have the Sugess 🐼 dial in the 40mm with the sapphire crystal. I put it on a nice, grey, Italian leather rally strap. It's a beautiful watch let down by the dodgy branding. I wish the Chinese Star model came in a panda colourway.
I’ve just ordered one. Would you mind letting me know the brand of the strap please? Sounds good.
Pretty sure they make a star version (older looking) white panda in 40. Edit: seems it might be 42mm. There is an older looking sugess panda with more traditional lettering and a star on the second hand.
They are an iconic watch for sure. I think the 38 looks much better on you as well. The new Hemel Airfoil runs on the ST19 with the Swan Neck. It's really become a popular movement. I'm guessing there may be different grades available when purchasing these movements. Love the shirt!
With Hemel, you know they will qc every ST19.
I'm glad I have the 38mm. With a lug-to-lug just over 47mm (I measure about 47.3 on mine), it wears as big as anything in my boxes (it's longer than some of my watches that are over 40mm case size). I really prefer a lug-to-lug around 45mm or less. I really like 36mm size watches on my 6.375" wrist.
just received my 40mm sapphire, fantastic…!
FInd the dial on that 40mm to look barf colored. Better tone on the 38.
People need to remember that a 2mm increase in diameter doesn't equal a 2mm increase in circumference, hence the large difference in overall size.
38mm = 119mm circumference.
40mm = 125mm circumference.
Area covered:
38mm = 1134 sq mm.
40mm = 1257 sq mm.
It's actually _these_ two measurements that make a watch look right or ridiculous on wrist. Then you have to factor in the crown and any bezel over-hang.
If you're buying in-store obviously you can try it on to see if it looks OK, but if you're buying online I'd suggest raiding the kids' geometry set, mark out a circle of the diameter and rectangles at top & bottom to represent the lugs. Cut it out and lay it on your wrist. Then at least you'd have an idea of how much real estate the watch will cover.
Mind blown, why have I never thought about this. Thank you for posting!
@@AK-rq1cz To be fair, most people don't consider it. They see _x_ diameter and think that's all they need, not realising that when it comes to circles, one change in measurement it affects _all_ the dimensions. Now, obviously when you think of a rectangular watch, a 2mm width increase is just that, a 2mm width increase. It doesn't really affect the lug-to-lug or overall wear of the watch.
I have a 38mm Seagull 1963 with Sapphire on a Rios light brown leather strap.
My friend liked it so much I got him the 38mm Sapphire version from Aliexpress. He loves it.
I've been waiting for the 40mm version! Thanks!
This is a victory for us regular sized wrists.
I think I prefer the styling of the sugess chronograph to this, but in regards to the size 38mm all the way
I have really been liking smaller watches as of late... I have around an 8 inch wrist, but can still easily pull off the 39mm Islander field watch. I think I'm gonna have to pull the trigger on the 38mm 1963! That and the San Martin retro diver with the pencil hands are on the list for next week 👌
I just got into Islander watches and am irked to have missed out on the emerald 38mm. Got a Pepsi 38mm the way though. Marc is a straight up player & I'm glad he's found such success with his own brand. Dude can't miss 💯
I've remarked that they are using the same lenght hands for a 38 and a 40 version and therefore on 38 version minute hands go all the way to the outer edge of a minute track and an hour hand reaches markers and it is so much better looking and it is much easier to read.
Also, it is the way it should be. So, 38 looks better.
I like the 38mm too. Thinking it would look great on a leather cuff!
Interesting how the hand set on the 38 mm reaches right out to the chapter ring, but not so on the 40.
They seem to have used the 38mm handset including on the sub-dials. The dial on the 40mm looks as if it’s outgrown the hands. Much prefer the 38mm version for this reason.
Exactly ! 40mm would fit me way better but I can't get past the hands being too short on that version.
Yes, the 38 has a better dial, but the 40 is my sweet spot as well, so I’ll settle for my too big 42.
A UK seller on eBay sells the 42 mm version with swan neck regulation, display case back, sapphire crystal and two straps for 224 euros plus 15 euros shipping.
Ha! I selected my Seagull 1963 to wear today. Great timing Jodie
The dial on the 38mm just looks better proportioned to my eye. I like that the minute and chrono hands reach completely to the outer track of the smaller dial, and there’s a bit too much champagne null space on the 40mm that gives it a comparatively gaudier profile.
What I like to do is throw the 38mm on a bund strap to bolster the wrist presence and really commit to the throwback feel.
Everything about the 38mm looks better to me. Proportions, dial colour and size for most wrists.
Yep, sold my 38,too small for me...will definitely be getting one of these in the sales. Excellent, thanks 👍🏻👍🏻
The Steely Dan and size does matter connection is hilarious.🤣
I'm with you Jody,the 38mm is the sweet spot for us with our 7" (17.8cm) wrists.Mine came from Sugess and so far is keeping good time.Just a slight gain over a month or so............................
If you like watches then check out Phillips auction in Geneva this weekend. Some astonishing pieces (at equally astonishing estimates!)
The 40 is all dial! Wow!
38mm is sweet for me! Loving this watch so much!!!
Bought the 40mm. Love it. Most accurate movement in my collection. Also lugs don’t seem to be an issue. I like lug to
Lug to be under 50 for my dainty wrists. But it wears fine for me. I really like it. For the price a no brainer. The only thing I would say is the chrono works fine but the Downey always want to reset. Oh well.
I’ve had such a hard time finding the exact one of these that I want, so I might just say “screw it!” and get the new lume dotted markers version!
I have the 40 mm purchased from an Australian dealer, Burnside Chrono. I got my Steeldive from them as well. He supposedly tested several before picking the one he sent to me. He said the failure rate on those old Venus movements was about 15-20%. Mine has been ticking along just fine since I got it.
Timex make some nice mesh straps for fairly cheap if they’re your kinda thing and want something for your 38mm
What's common for all the best looking watches is a balance between diameter and lug to lug distance. Some watches have such massive lugs that you suspect 50 mm lug to lug on a 36 mm watch. The Seagull is a bit on the "too much lug" side - reminds me a bit of Vostok, where they seem to favor the "got to have a mile wide gap between watch and bracelet" approach.
I still can't decide if I'll ever bite the bullet...I think it'll have to be a toy purchase in some future where I have all the more finely finished pieces and can think of this as a frivolous, fun piece.
Great comparison! Thanks! Personally prefer the 38 mm cos looking more vintage...
Mines staying well within 5 seconds a day. Probably not typical and I suspect I'm just lucky but it does show how good the movement is.
This is the release I was waiting for. 38 mm was too small. 42 mm was too much. This one is perfect
I agree that the 38mm just looks better proportioned than the 40mm size one. I have the 38mm version and really like it, in spite of having a largish wrist at 7.5 inches. I also have a collection of vintage watches so I'm used to wearing 34-35mm watches occasionally. As a result, I have a decent collection of 18mm straps anyway. The smaller size fits its vintage vibe. I never really understood the "rule" that watch sizes have to correlate to wrist size. In the 50's and 60's, guys wore smaller watches, regardless of whether they were big guys or really slimmer guys. I'll wear a 34mm vintage Longines or a modern Panerai.
Men really were smaller in the 40s, 50s and 60s. I really learned this when I started collecting vintage fedoras from this period. I only collect what I can wear and my hat size is perfectly average (7 3/8"). Vintage hats are almost always too small for me.
I think I prefer the 38 just for traditions sake. This watch is on my list, and when I do get it, it will be the 38.
The smaller one has an excellent color.
Nice video. I would like to add that besides this movement and the Valjoux, you forgot the Poljot 3133, which are still being made.
I am really warming up to this version of this 40mm Seagull Chrono. I see this going on my Christmas "wish list", budget permitting ! You sold it to me Jody. Thanks !!
Not sure what movement it is, but the Phylida Speedy homage is $300 and uses a mechanical/automatic movement. My moans and niggles on the 40mm 1963 is it looks like the enlarged the dial but used the same handset. It's kind of OK on the 40, but if they did the same thing on the 42 it won't work at all. And no lume pretty much rules it out for me.
40 all day, every day. Stunning.
Thank you!
Super beautiful watch!!!! 👍👍👍👍
Definitely a 38mm for me ..
I was gonna buy a Seiko SNK809 but after seeing this I might go for this.
The 809 feels tiny to me at 37mm. I have that watch and an SNZG15. I would recommend that one if you want that style watch in 42mm and are willing to spend more.
@@ernestbeggle1981 honestly today only I heard about these Chinese brand's. But looking at that beautiful movement kinda felt I needed one
Also I will check on that SNZG15. Thanks for the reply
I have the 38mm HKED63 Panda. Perfect size and the dial is a big inprovement from the standard one with no real added cost.
They do look fantastic, I agree!
Even though I have a 7 inch wrist I seem to be able to pull off small and big watches, but I'd go for the 40 for the watch strap convenience
39mm with 47 lug to lug and 20mm lugs will be perfect.
Why is the seller store spelled "0fficial" with a zero (0) instead of an "O"?
Nice shirt! ITS YOUR FAVORITE FOREIGN MOVIE! Thanks Jody!
I have both 38mm with plexiglass front with transparent back and 40mm sapphire front and "1963" steel back. Quite differently looking watches, plexi suits 38mm version very well, it feels better proportioned than sapphire 38mm version.
Really a wonderful piece. I enjoy the 38. Well darn I'm going to pick up the 40 anyway. Thank you for another great video. Your wife is right.
That’s a 21 jewel example of that movement.
Good video! I agree with you the difference 2mm makes is surprising. However, I own the 40mm and love it. I have not experienced the 38mm version. Keep up the great content!
I got the 40mm with sapphire from the Sugess store on AE.....so far, so good!
He minute hand is the same used in both hence it’s closer to the inside wall of the 38. Sorry if it’s hard to understand what I just wrote.
Glad I haven’t gone and just blindly ordered one of these…I was assuming the 40 would have a shorter lug length. Thanks for the details Jodi…always good info 👍🏼👍🏼
If you have acrylic glass and it's flat. You could put a smart watch glass protector on it for a few £/$ 👍😎
Interesting that you went with sapphire considering how often you mention Polywatch....
They forgot to lengthened the hands to compensate for the larger diameter... Cheers
I own the 42mm version and I love it !!!!!!!
I bought one of these a while back. My main complaint about this watch is that the dial and indeces don't have enough contrast. Couple that with the needle thin hour and minute hands, it's not easy to tell the time at a glance. And both the straps it comes with are garbage. Easily upgradeable since it's got the 20mm lug width.
IMO on your wrist I agree the 38 looks best.
"AHA I SWAP IT!" 😂
Got the 40mm.
Love the watch.Did see a"Genuine sea gull "on Ali 700 and odd dollars .!
I know right! Those were $399 when I made my 'Fake' video last year. They are dreaming at $699!
Love it. Really unique piece. Great episode 👍🏴
Yes
Just notice the hand set on both watches is same size despite having different dial size. On the 38mm, its just right. On the 40mm, the hands is too short. I think the better 40mm watch with the ST1901 movement to consider is the new panda version from Red Star. The hands on are daphine style and perfect length to match the dial size. It does not over shoot the second marks or fall short of them. Will comment more when I get delivery of it.
“Dry out piece of dog s*it “🤣🤣🤣
Thanks for the video!
Very helpful indeed 👍
I'll go for the 40mm then! 🙂
Now you just have to review the new version with the lumed arms and hour pips.
And after that the moon phase version.
I don't have this seagull 1963 or any seagull time to get with the program, I been wondering if need to purchase one...wish me luck....I just don't know if I need to pull the trigger on this 1963 incredible piece .... thank you my for another great episode 👍👍from St George Utah 👋
My 40mm one has worked and looked great since I got it last may, but I'm going to have to be the 3rd one here to admit it has short hands syndrome.
38mm is my preference even if it looks a bit chunky from the side.