Small Planes Over Big Oceans (ETOPS Explained)
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"Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim"
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Somehow I think that passengers wouldn't get the chance to swim either way...
Neel Parmar engines go and a plane turns into a big glider, which can be smoothly put down on an ocean. Probably wouldn't be able to swim anywhere, but they'd be able to swim.
dw. you'll learn how to swim when ur life is in danger. ;)
yo im learnin
qwerty112311 Except water landings are still pretty risky, despite the fact that the planes look like it would work well. Think about it: the plane id coming down fast, near the water level it will experience a lot of turbulence and the plane won't be very stable. The plane also has a wide wingspan. This is the most dangerous part. If one of the wing tips catch the water, the plane immediately cartwheel & of course it's the ocean, so the waves aren't always calm. Ignoring all that you still have to touch down right so that you slow down rather than skip and risky the plane tearing itself apart. It takes a lot of precision to land a plane on the water.
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Now I know why it's taken over a year to get Southwest Airlines certified for flights to Hawaii. There's more to it than just the airplane.
Southwest flies to Hawaii? This is news to me.
@@joe8124 they started in May, but had planned them for years.
Why tho? There are zero divertion airports anyways.
HasseBrasse engine failures are rare and it unlikely that both engines will fail
@@johnduffy2777 both engines fail even then 99% of the time at cruising altitude that plane will glide for 100 to 150 miles up to an hour before you hit the ocean. Giving time for rescue craft to get up and in the area or an attempt to make it to land. Thats if you can keep an single engine going for another hour or even half hour you can go pretty far.
5:39 That awkward moment when the delay due to a failed engine mid flight is shorter than a normal American Airlines delay.
That airline was American airlines tho
@@zangrygrapes4571yes that’s the joke
"Sydney to Santiago" route will just crush the argument of many flat earthers.
Why
@@sargismartirosyan2803 oh, one of the flat earther arguments is "Why are there no direct flights from Australia to South America?" You see, if you look at a polar centered map of the earth, the distance from Australia to South America is about 20,000 miles, lol.
Yeah... but they usually say that that route doesn't exist and no matter what you say they don't budge from their opinion. They usually go with "you can buy a ticket, but the flight always gets cancelled" etc. Its pretty dumb
@@klondiker9 some of them even say australia doesn't exist because of that
they say it's because of the winds 😂
7:30 That puppy plane A318 was so cute. Its wings are so tiny, but tail appeared slightly bigger relative to the size of the fuselage.
lol, yea, dimensions of the wings are the same as much larger a321; never the less, this planes handles like crazy, try watching approach at EGLC
Looks like a mini-380
Gei
the a318’s tail is actually slightly taller than the other a320 series planes
The OG 737-100 looks cuter imo, with its sleeker appearance & dinky engines.
That bit about BA flying an A318 from New York to London City is nuts! It ended around the pandemic. Some fun facts about that flight:
- The airplane was configured all business class with only 32 seats
- Due to the short runway at London City, it had to take off partially fueled and refuel in Shannon. This wasn't an issue leaving from New York.
Why is the A319 crossing the Atlantic such a big deal ? Charles Lindbergh crossed the Atlantic on a flying lawn mower.
D-Gauss but without passengers
@@ianbuchan1793 Pretty sure lawnmowers are a lot lighter than gas turbine yard trimmers
Well...
- Passenger number is over 100 which means the plane is much heavier and having enough fuel can become a serious issue.
- Lindbergh flight was really dangerous, FAA wants commercial planes to be as safe as possible. Meaning that whatever happens during flight the plane can still land safely.
On moderne small twin engines, those issue were mainly solved by using new generation engines that features high fuel efficiency, thus defining new standards for those type of flights.
He was the first who didn't die trying
It is certainely no big deal, who told you that ?
I wish people would stop saying this guy has a plane fetish. He's likely a pilot or an aviation technition. He's passionate about it and that's awesome.
Kyle B definitely not a pilot, as there have been some serious mistakes in the previous videos (eg that "most thrust is generated from the engine core")
What video was that? I'm not doubting you, I just would like to see the video for context. It depends on what type of jet engine he was talking about. If he was talking about a turbojet engine, then he would be right as all of the thrust does indeed come from the core. However, if he was mentioning a turbofan engine, then you would be right as the core basically runs the fan, which generates about 80% of the thrust.
Kyle B He's neither mate he's only 19 years old
My cousin is 16 and he's a pilot. What's your point?
+Kyle B Even then it doesn't make sense. The core is the ONLY source of thrust in a turbojet (so "most" isn't appropriate). An extremely low bypass ratio turbofan could work like that, but the bypass ratio would have to be less than 1. I'm not sure if anything like that exists, except perhaps on some very early turbofan engines.
Can you talk more about long haul planes such as the 787, 777 and the new a350 XWB
I would be positively surprised about a video from Wendover that spends any longer amount of time covering Airbus planes.
Its XWB mate ;)
Xtra Wide Body that way you wont confuse it :P (im not sure if x is for xtra but wb seems simple enough)
The new one was showed before
Honestly when it comes to kinda long haul planes A321LR, part of A320neo family might take this small planes long range thing to another level. Narrow body that can do a lot trans-Atlantic traffic. Doesn't go extreme distances A350, 787 or 777 can go, but still respectable 4000nmi.
I wouldn't categorize the 787 as "small"
It's certainly not small, but it is smaller than a 747 or 777.
I say it's big
And if a plane wore pants, how would it wear them? (Yeah this is a reference to a HAI vid, and Sam (from wendover) owners HAI)
It's not small but if you see it next to 777, A340 or even A330 at the airport it really does seem small.
BottomFragger
The A330 is roughly the same size tho’
Ppl seem to have forgotten about the 767 for comparison...
ETOPS=
Extended-range
Twin engine
Operational
Standards
Also ETOPS=
Engines
Turn
Or
Passengers
Swim
How convenient
S M A R T K I D
VERY ORIGINAL COMMENT HUH? BITCHASS
@@nonami_066xswqoqowiwl Why the hell you pissed?
@@nonami_066xswqoqowiwl he just copied what was in the video...
what's wrong with that?
You left out the word 'performance' below the word 'operational'
The plane fetish continues!
*Don't stop.*
Ugh
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Joshua Heaney ;) ;) I like Planes and their shapes ;)
yeah, just from these videos I realize how interesting aviation can be.
They keep reducing the plane engines amount for travel across the Atlantic,till one will crash to the ocean...
You have the wrong perception of this altogether. A single jet engine in the latest model range has the same power as all four engines on an early 747 so they don't need more engines to keep it moving and they are so reliable once up to cruising altitude that you or I will never see an engine failure even if we flew weekly for the rest of our lives. Most planes have done 15,000 cycles and hundreds of thousands of hours of flying time without a single engine failure.
Ha! Engines Turn Or Passenger Swim.
Damn, smooth as fuck.
Wendover didn't come up with the acronym.
henvy? LOLOLOL!!!
The 767 is the first twin engine aircraft to fly across the Atlantic
A300: am I a joke to you?
He didn’t say it was the first plane to cross the Atlantic. It was the first plane to get ETOPS certification. The A300 operated under an ICAO 90 minute rule
Brings back great memories of sitting in a field in Ireland with a VHF receiver listening to aircraft zooming overhead at FL350+ being handed off for their oceanic clearance. Never knew there were different ETOPS variants or how much they changed the world of travel. Fantastic video - thank you for putting it together!
Just curious, do you have some education in aviation because you explain these videos extremely well? Or is your research process just that concrete? Either why I'm a bit of an aviation nut so these videos are super interesting to me so keep up the great work!
It's just a lot of research, I highly doubt he has any special education.
Actually, he skips a lot of research and his videos are riddled with errors. He's good at BS'ing
Can you cite an example please. I just subscribed. But if this is the case, I will definitely unsubscribe.
The title's wrong, for starters. Twin engines are used for planes of all sizes, not just "small" ones--it's like he forgot about the 777! His history of ETOPS and plane design is oversimplified, but I'm not going to bother analyzing it after I watched the one about why planes don't fly faster. That one was total garbage, he got the engines used on certain planes totally mixed up and said most of the thrust comes from the engine core as opposed to the bypass (plus many other glaring mistakes). And the ones where he analyzes plane revenue/costs are nonsense because he looks at just one example and then extrapolates everything from there.
bta fan Yes, unfortunately you are 100% right. In the previous videos there were a lot of things that were absolutely wrong and badly researched, especially the point you mentioned with the thrust.
However I really enjoy the videos, they are easy to watch and most of the things said are somewhat accurate.
I'm always surprised at how interested I get by these videos. Keep it up.
FAA: You can't fly transatlantic with only two engines.
Charles Lindbergh: Hold my illegal beer.
"There was no place for long and skinny routes between smaller cities" Connecticut to Portugal, PORTUGAL IS MY CITY
England is my city
America is my city
Australia is my city
Etc. Etc.
Yay! I'm so happy you addressed the BAW A318 flight, I always wondered how they were allowed to fly such a small twin over water.
txrangerkidd222 it's all business class seats too. That's why. They wouldn't be able to fly a full aircraft there
txrangerkidd222 also the a318 is the largest aircraft that has the 9 degree landing glide slope certification required for London City airport
it's a great idea, if you think about it. put business class in one plane, economy in another. though they have business/first in larger planes as well, but.. you get my pont.
unfortunately it isn't quite described accurately... BA flies the A318 to/from NYC via Shannon, Ireland. it is not non-stop between London and New York.
From my research, it only stops in Shannon in one direction, and I think that's from LCY to NY so it can take off light and refuel while giving the passengers the opportunity to clear customs early.
It's interesting that the person in the beginning isn't aware that there's a place called Hell in Norway, and it's pretty cold there, so technically, it's *already* a cold day in Hell.
There's also Hell, Michigan, I'm sure it gets cold there as well.
Ben_ Arkansas is also sometimes called hell
wildchicken007 isn't that another name for Detroit
*SEINFELD THEME INTENSIFIES*
Big Boke no, it's really a city with like 300 people in it
You should have mentioned the failure of the MD-11 as it was launched a few years before ETOPS certifications started.
Do you know what ETOPS stands for? Engine turning or pilot swimming.
Some 2 engine planes are ETOPS rated. Most 2 engine planes require a hydraulic driven electric generator to help provide electricity from the engine turning the aircrafts hydraulic pump if the power from one engine is lost. The ER designation at the rear of a planes type, like 777ER, usually means that the plane is certificated for EPOPS.
The MD-11 failed mostly because of maintenance costs for the tail-mounted engine, specialized onboard and hangar equipment needed to reach it (that stupid built-in tunnel, work platform and cradle to lower the engine). Its fuel efficiency is quite good once the Performance Improvement Package was introduced to restore its advertised range. If it had a carrying capacity similar to the 747-400, bigger wings with split scimitar winglets, it would have had a better chance at survival.
@@jameskoralewski3583 "Most 2 engine planes require a hydraulic driven electric generator to help provide electricity"
The APU (Auxiliary Power Unit) is not hydraulically driven, it's hydraulically started. Once it's started, it runs on regular jet fuel.
@@TheCannonofMohammed
FX still has the MD11s and the DC10s (with a major upgrade on the flight deck). They are just as expensive to work on though.
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OK, so someone needs to build an airport on the south pole so the A350 can legally fly there!
multi io watch John Oliver's rant on visiting the south pole
There are airports on Antarctica that A350 could land on, the problem is with the passenger recovery and the fact that the weather is brutal there. Also it's dark 7 months of the year.
A350 would probably break flying there
There is ice and snow airports
Australia will be building a tarmac runway at Davis Station on Antarctica in the next fews years.
A couple of other points to add to an excellent video.
1. The engines are much more efficient now so small twins have a far greater range than they used to.
2.If a second engine fails, it is statistically likely that it will be for the same reason as the first failure, so it could mean all 4 failing on a 747. There are a few instances of multi engine failures due to maintenance errors.
I love this channel. great vids filled with obviously researched info. keep em going
As an aviation freak, I LIVE for these types of Wendover Productions videos! I'm in my happy place
Thanks for explaining ETOPS. I have watched several videos of pilots in executive jets or even prop-driven planes doing the North Atlantic crossing. The route they take includes stops in Iceland and Greenland for refueling. In each of the videos they are in contact with the North Atlantic crossing Air Traffic Control - though there is NO radar service on most of the route - and have been asked if they are ETOPS certified. I did not know what that was until now. Great video!
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Air Canada uses an A319 trans-Atlantic? Thug life :)
Canadian Plane Spotter St. john's isn't a busy airport, I've been on that exact flight before.
Canadian Plane Spotter
Norwegian plans to use the 737 Max on TATL.
I know you form somewhere
BA uses A318 from LCY- NY
BA operates A318 trans-Atlantic
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I always wondered about tri jets! Great video!! Amazing how aviation changes in so little time!
Fabulously Co-herent and informative explanation of ETOPS !
Great speaking voice , without any amateur stutter , fade or intonation issues ! BRAVO !!!
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AAQsR Airplanes don't hover
***** true
Your calm voice, attention to details, soft background music. How is this provocative engineering video allowed on CZcams without an adult rating?
This explained so much. Thank you so much for taking the time to make this amazing video for us.
Respect for not dragging this out to 10 minutes when it didnt need to be
ENGINES TURN OR PASSENGERS SWIM XD
''Swim''
Kosta M. K. Typos 4life
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Just doing loads of research on this as the 787 I was on last week between London and Mexico City was diverted to Iceland after an engine failure. Within two hours I was on a bus to a hotel (2 hours drive away). Following day I was on a replacement plane continuing my journey while engineers worked on the failed aircraft.
Your videos have done more to help me understand the airline industry than years of reading the business pages. Keep it up!
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What can I say ? I absolutely love it when I learn something about questions I have been asking myself for a long time. You demystified intercontinental airline routing for me. Thanks !
wow! Very useful information. Appreciate the efforts behind making this video.
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I'm a performance engineer at Gulfstream. Awesome vid and well explained!!
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Great videos, man. Highly informative, to the point and entertaining. Keep up the good work.
Thank you for this, very informative and clear.
This video was amazing! Great job! Love, Love, Love the airplane vids!
Now I feel safer to fly. Thanks Wendover Productions!
This is a great video! This answered many nagging questions I've had about plane configurations and routes for years. Thanks!
Wow, I'm truly stunned - that's an awesome video. Really enjoyed it.
God I love these videos! I never knew how much I loved airplanes, and the air service industry!
0:28 look at australia you couldn't fly over it in a twin engine plane
Cute. Maybe they could do it under Australian rules.
Except that the FAA has no authority over flights in Australia. I also wonder if there are “unconventional” landing areas in the middle of the country that could serve as emergency landing sites.
Awesome video!! I learned a hell of alot from this, keep up the great work!!
This answers every question I had going throuvh my mind when we were boarding the plane for Hawaii. Now I'll feel better on the trip back to the mainland. Thanks!!
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There are individual variations to the ETOPS clearances. Some airlines like Aloha 737's flying in between Hawaii and mainland USA had to run their APU engines over the middle of the ocean to cover the emergency power backup requirements of ETOPS. Some airlines didn't have to follow those rules as ETOPS clearances are not set in stone but a variable based on past maintenance practices.
That must have used a ton of extra fuel. Your practically using 3 engines then except one doesn't produce thrust
A really well explained documentary. I learnt so much. Thank you and good work!!
I applaud your making of this video, it is entertaining enough to keep attention, explains everything in more commonplace terminology, and is most certainly not anywhere near being boring, like an FAA video. I enjoyed this very much. Thank you for doing it.
>regulations not adapting to improvements in technology
color me surprised
To be fair they are adapting, albeit slowly. Though if any regulatory body has some extremely strict rules I'm pretty okay with the ones that handle the sending of people through the sky at 500 mph to be fairly cranky.
Airlines themselves could handle all the regulations just fine on their own. The governmental regulations are just slowing progress and costing the airlines more money, which of course ends up with us paying more per ticket. If the government were not involved in regulating airlines, they would definitely do all of this themselves- because of the profit motive. One crash, and nobody would fly that airline, huge loss! Government regulations here are irrelevant and redundant, and clearly don't even work.
DOTCurrency Lol k
"One crash, and nobody would fly that airline, huge loss!"
While that might work for the huge domestic ones, keep in mind there's around 5000 airlines worldwide. Not all will self regulate as effectively as you hope. And if they did have a crash, wouldn't the smaller ones (with no reserve funds and inadequate liability insurance) simply shut the airline down, sell its assets to another company, repaint the sold clunker jets and relaunch?
The government regulations also act as protections against foreign airlines, since competitors slacking significantly on maintenance and safety cannot even land on our continent, short of an emergency. They have to meet certain basic guidelines... it keeps the playing field a bit more level. But you're right, it does add to the cost and slow down innovation.
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NY to London with a A318??
Like wtf... that's crazy ( and way to uncomfortable )
ᖴᔕ᙭ᑎOOᗷ - Gᗩᗰᕮᔕ & ᗰOᖇᕮ They use an A318 with an all-business configuration, so the passengets will be plenty comfortable.
It's an way more expensive flight with only business class , it's for people who haven't the time to go to Heathrow which is located outside of the city and its less stress because the are not as many people like in Heathrow .
Yeah, but then you wouldn't be flying out of London City Airport!
Flugzeug Dokus You like the sound of crying babies a few feet back in economy?
Its actually more comfortable
Long awaited video. Thanks.
Excellent. Loved it! Thanks!
Twin jets might be able to start doing long haul water routes with Skillshare.
For airplane navigation, would you kindly use a globe instead of a flat map? The distortion makes comparing distances difficult
At least it is not Mercator.
Get over it. You don’t need to compare distances while watching this video. Buy a globe yourself
What's your issue? It's a simple, polite request that would make the videos more easily digestible. Chill the fuck out.
This comment thread is so needlessly passive aggressive.
Can ALL aviation enthusiasts PLEASE be friends? One planet, one people. We are ALL fellow passengers on this Space-Ship Earth (Gaia)!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This was really interesting! Thx 👨🏫
Fascinating and informative - I had never heard of ETOPS before.
Here from Black Box Down
Same here even though I’ve watched so much more from Wendover. I highly recommend all of his videos.
As a Chilean, I'm very excited for the wide range of possibilities that the 787 brings to the table. I'm hoping Santiago - Melbourne is the first of the many new routes that would be opened.
Do you think with the new 350 would be posible to do a route from South America to Asia? Like Lima - Tokyo?
Wonderful & informative video. Thanks a lot for making it
Your videos are some of the most well put together and informative videos on CZcams. I hope you keep making content and branch out to all topics. I wish you made the documentaries we all had to watch in high school, I would have learned a lot more.
0:39 How did you made those ETOPS circles on the map? Does it work in google maps? Because I want to compare the range of different types of aircraft in certain cities.
There's a site called great circle mapper, gcmap.com that is able to do that
Any1 from the tiktok guy
Yea lol 😂
this is some of the best content on youtube, keep it up and tnanks.
thanks for sharing these videos about aviation. It's a really good place to start with understanding business, design and economy. Great!
I will prove all the people who say I can't fly in my homemade *IRONMAN* suit wrong!!!
Transatlantic here I come!
Deal with it.
Do it. I'll hire LawyerStickFigure.
hello ubiqutious one
Dr.StickFigure is omnipresent, is he the real god?
Nah, the Iron Man suit has four engines: 2 in the feet and 2 in the hands.
I'd love to fly across the Atlantic in a C-Series!
Love your videos about aviation industry!
Dude your videos are some of my favourite on youtube. Good job.
Please do a video on the 737Max when enough information becomes available.
There's already enough information available: the thing don't fly.
I would hate to be on that Airbus A318 from New York to London.
It's all Business class, which helps.
And even if it is a A318, it is long-haul business.
It's actually a better experience than you'd get on a larger plane as it's all business class
its all real buisness class seats exclusively for buisness travellers, so its like a routine private jet flight.
Imagine hitting a 150kts cross wind at mid flight
Excellent video thanks for your contribution and time, I have learned quite a bit.
Great work as usual!
So the question remains, though, if the fact that so many new connections can be offered, rather than posing a risk over the ocean, doesn't provide a massive additional risk in the vicinity of the destination. If even planes from North America now fly to London City Airport, that does provide a certain risk of increased low-altitude air traffic over London and with that the statistical probability of a major accident, given that take-off and landing are the most accident-prone phases during a flight anyway. Will Savile Row be retailored by an airplane as a consequence one day?
There are rules about how many aircraft can be in the low sky for landing and takeoff at any one time and flight plans are coordinated to keep under that limit. If a delay or other factor over-crowds the sky outgoing planes stay on the tarmac and if absolutely necessary incoming planes are diverted (very rare as outside the most extreme circumstances just delaying takeoffs can prevent it getting that bad).
PLEASE do a video on the Boeing 747-8i vs Airbus A380
pomare kaire I’m an airbus man but 747 wins
@@CloroxBleach-um4gn airbus wins it's more safe
I prefer Airbus but both are great airplanes. Sucks that the 747 is going to vanish in a few years.
Litlle did you know @Wub
Well, A380 is going to stay in service with Emirates for approximately 30 years from now, 747's are slowly but surely disappearing. It's time is sadly over, but it will never be forgotten.
And by the way, hats down to you for knowing so well the ETOPS and aviation rules. If you don't have an aviation background, you are really really impressive
A really great video! I surprisingly learned a lot, thanks!
4:58 the mountain has a face :)
4 years from now we are gonna find a way to put. A Cessna from New York to the Philippines .
I wondered why I saw "twins" att the international terminal at LAX... and had been wondering about this for sometime! Thanks for the video! Very enlightening!
This is a GREAT video!! Thank you!!!
I never knew that the airbus family could cross the Atlantic Ocean. A318!! Thats incredible
They usually don't use the A318, A320, or A321 airplanes on trips over the pond due to lower fuel capacity.
JaguarSparks the A318 used by British Airways is a very special one, with larger fuel tanks and only 8 rows of four business class seats.
It's all business class configuration, designed to land at London City Airport which is right next to the business downtown District avoiding the busy Heathrow which is 40 miles away.
Also, on its way out from LCY it stops off at Shannon to refuel and get pre clearance for immigration so that by the time it lands in JFK it's a domestic flight. The business passengers literally walk off and go to baggage reclaim and straight out into their limos in literally 20 minutes.
I've done it it's a lot of fun. It's actually a really comfortable flight to be on because it's so quiet and there's not that many passengers on board, with lie flat beds for all passengers.
It's just like a large bizjet really.
If I am not mistaken, it uses the old BA Concorde flight number BA001
Ian McGreevy Correct
4:04 We get the idea, they have to be special...
Another nice one from Wendover!
Thank you for an educational and informative video.