I adore when couch potatoes talk about 'purity' and being against 'selling out'.... they never poured buckets of sweat on stage to put bread on their children's table! Punk rock is ALL about jumping fences and breaking primitive boundaries!
Green Day signed to a major label ~three decades ago and people still gripe about it today :) hehehehe Come on, they're adults and being independently wealthy kicks ass (not that I've ever done it) and who wants to be 50 years old and flogging yourself at a job if you can make real money instead?
Yeah, sellout and land in the rock ‘n roll hall of fame and now a part of music history. I think nobody should question that decision. What sad people who hate seeing “friends” better their station in life. Bitter people who call them sellouts are simply projecting their fear of taking risks and success into people who have that courage. By the way, I’m not a Green Day fan, but I can respect their choices and courage. I played baseball up to a fairly high level, professionally. I can’t imagine how stupid people would sound if they called me a sellout when I signed a contract and left the amateur leagues to suddenly make a living doing what I loved.
This 100%. It seems like these people wanted Green Day to suffer financially for their amusement. The greatest two words you can say to anyone who has a problem with you following your dreams or finding a little bit of success are “fuck” and “you”. That elitist bullshit can go somewhere else, because when they did blow up and become massive, those elitists who called them “sellouts” were the first ones to kiss their asses just for clout.
it was sorta different with pro sports back in the day. punk wasn't considered something to make a living off. it was a lifestyle, a religion, all about being independent. DIY music production now, with all the new tech, is way too far from what it was back then. that's what made the segregation so severe - when you're twenty and you need $1200 to book a studio for two days, you really gotta work on your material AND save up. "to overcome" becomes an obsession. and everyone around is doing just that. so when one of your comrades makes it big and gets a contract, that automatically ensues envy, because everyone thinks that now he has it easy (er, easier). that, of course, is due to lack of knowledge about the actual sacrifice one makes when signing a multi-record contract. what used to be simply fun in so many ways, now becomes a job, which, as fun as it may be at the core, still burns you out eventually. but at the same time a musician got so much more studio time and technical sophistication to produce just the right sound on just the right songs that it sorta made it obvious for an artist to pursue a contract. so i'm glad they signed, because Insomniac is still one of my favourite records, and also because with all the records that followed they kinda said fuck you to all the haters. Green Day may not be as raw and underproduced as some would like, but they are punks nonetheless.
While I don't believe that Green Day "invented" "pop punk", I think they did bring it to the mainstream, for better or worse. As others have commented, the Buzzcocks, Ramones, Generation X (I added that one), Descendents, among others, were doing it before. But none of them really got out of the underground ie: got major radio airplay, played arenas/stadiums, etc...once again for better or worse. Peace.
I liked the "Warning" album, am I alone in the world? The title song did borrow from the Kinks though. Yes Green Day were first to fill the vacuum after Nirvana died. Many followed. The Network Money Money 2020 is one of the best Green Day albums.
There’s been poppy/catchy sounding punk rock around forever. Buzzcocks, The Dickies, Dead Milkmen, Ramones, The Undertones, The Queers, Sloppy Seconds, Screeching Weasel
@@lava2471 It depends. A lot of those bands and artists are having to take advantage of opening for artists like Green Day, Foo Fighters, and so on because of their lack to pull those audiences organically. Financially speaking, festivals and bigger shows with more acts to make more. It’s also why if you look at their pages, the clips of those bigger shows are typically festivals. I’ve seen Sum-41, The Offspring, The All-American Rejects, and countless others do the same. When they do smaller lineups, the venues are basically 3,000 max occupancy. Green Day, blink-182, and Panic! At The Disco are the only bands from that scene to maintain what they have now. MCR doesn’t count to me due to how inconsistent it is and the fact it’s not an ongoing project currently. In addition, it’s only trendy to come back so many times.
none of those bands were influenced by green day because there were already many bands before green day with the same sound (bad religion, nofx, descendents ....)
Founding fathers of pop punk? Do people not remember The Ramones or The Buzzcocks did this 15 years prior? Don't get me wrong, Green Day busted their a** to get where they are today, much respect, but give credit where credit is due!
@@azeirasbut how popular they are has nothing to do with whether they’re a founding father. I’m grateful tho they brought punk into the mainstream in the 90s, they led people to great bands like Rancid, Nofx, Pennywise, Offspring, Vandals, Bad Religion, Blink, Lagwagon, Face to Face, Strung Out, Screeching Weasel, AFI, etc
Aren't the Ramones the first pop-punk band? Weren't they the blueprint for it? Just because they weren't huge in their time doesn't make them irrelevant, right?
"[pop punk bands] should be paying Green Day half of whatever they make." Well Green Day should be paying Stiff Little Fingers and the Kinks half of what they make, so let's not get ahead of ourselves here Fancy Feast McQueefy.
I always felt that Green Day was almost an SLF tribute band (with a little Clash mixed in). Their influences are extremely noticeable and up front. But Green Day busted their asses and earned every bit of what they achieved. Peace.
agreed, and I'll add one more, in the early days for this band, Billy desperately tried to sound like Jake Burns of Stiff Little Fingers, he's even said this in interviews.
Them and Bad Religion in the 2nd Generation I agree, but Descendents due to Milo went to College for many years didn't outgrew the scene, but Bad Religion did when touring to promote their 3rd album. Saw them in Germany '89 on the 'suffer' Tour in grassroots punk Club. After that we regulars of said venue said they was the first Shirt millionaires as everyone and their dog was wearing their iconic Motiv. And they never again played in a punkscene venue if it wasn't for charity ever after. But to be true to history the first ones was The Ramones, Blondie & The Clash that went famous with catchy pop meeting punk eigentlich attitude.
Green day is the current God of rock and roll. All the Legendary bands that came before are like the greek gods. Just as important and great if not greater, but as of right now green day are the only gods remaining
Maybe you should change the title of this video. A ridiculous claim like this brings doubt to every video uploaded here. I was about to watch the punk history video... but maybe not now. I believe Green Day to be decent punk/pop band but fall far down the totem pole of punk/pop bands in regarding "founding father" status.
Cos it's just a media term which doesn't describe Green Day at all. You just can't put a band like Green Day in one catagory ,they are so much more and I challenge any one of you big mouths to upload a better song that Billie Joe Armstrong and Mike and Tre can write. Then you can say they are crap or what ever bull you need to say to get through your day 😊
Hardly a copy, I wouldn't say that Nickelback are copying AC/DC even though both of them are rock bands. GD and the Ramones are different, although GD tunes are undoubtedly occasionally influenced by the Ramones, I can't see how anyone would call them a copy.
It's still personal taste though. I love 'em, but Green Day sometimes get dumped on because almost all of the guitar parts in their tunes are handfuls of power chords, for example.
I'd credit Bad Religion and the Descendents with that tag. Bad Religion had only one Europe tour in grassroots punk venues. The 2nd run already had them play the commercial clubs that could host capacity above 1000. There where bigger names in the game back then but Bad Religion was the band with the melodic harmonies growing naturally with every album. Descendents didn't pursuit the bands 'career' with that intensity so they kinda remained more inside the scene whereas Bad Religion began to pull additional following outside the underground scene. And let's not forget the proto pop punk band of them all - the Ramones, Blondie & the Clash...
Green Day just like The Offspring had the luck and joy to come up with a release at a time when MTV & Viva (in Germany) where paying attention to what went on in the Alternative scenes and the 90s culmulated into a period where many genres peaked and where cross over or similar fusions became Trends. RHCP or RATM with funky rap'n'rock, nu metal, and bubblegum or Popcorn punk naturally fitted in. Nirwana because of the sub Pop link got tagged Grunge but was pop punk too...
Here are two great bands apart from the obvious and well known Originators I'd like to advise to give a full album play... Doctor Bison - the bloated Vegas years Leatherface - almost any of their albums..but mush is perhaps their best one.
Green Day is like Van Halen. A good band responsible for a lot of bad bands.
You gotta start somewhere! What would the music industry have ever been without shitty bands, even a big music biz fatcat needs to pay the bills :)
The parallels between hair bands and pop punk is uncanny.
What bad bands
@@Deltasquad382943 Most run-of-the-mill pop punk and emo bands. Quantity over quality.
@@Deltasquad382943That's my question too.
I adore when couch potatoes talk about 'purity' and being against 'selling out'.... they never poured buckets of sweat on stage to put bread on their children's table! Punk rock is ALL about jumping fences and breaking primitive boundaries!
Green Day signed to a major label ~three decades ago and people still gripe about it today :) hehehehe
Come on, they're adults and being independently wealthy kicks ass (not that I've ever done it) and who wants to be 50 years old and flogging yourself at a job if you can make real money instead?
It's just jealousy
Yeah, sellout and land in the rock ‘n roll hall of fame and now a part of music history. I think nobody should question that decision. What sad people who hate seeing “friends” better their station in life. Bitter people who call them sellouts are simply projecting their fear of taking risks and success into people who have that courage.
By the way, I’m not a Green Day fan, but I can respect their choices and courage.
I played baseball up to a fairly high level, professionally. I can’t imagine how stupid people would sound if they called me a sellout when I signed a contract and left the amateur leagues to suddenly make a living doing what I loved.
This 100%. It seems like these people wanted Green Day to suffer financially for their amusement.
The greatest two words you can say to anyone who has a problem with you following your dreams or finding a little bit of success are “fuck” and “you”. That elitist bullshit can go somewhere else, because when they did blow up and become massive, those elitists who called them “sellouts” were the first ones to kiss their asses just for clout.
it was sorta different with pro sports back in the day. punk wasn't considered something to make a living off. it was a lifestyle, a religion, all about being independent. DIY music production now, with all the new tech, is way too far from what it was back then. that's what made the segregation so severe - when you're twenty and you need $1200 to book a studio for two days, you really gotta work on your material AND save up. "to overcome" becomes an obsession. and everyone around is doing just that. so when one of your comrades makes it big and gets a contract, that automatically ensues envy, because everyone thinks that now he has it easy (er, easier). that, of course, is due to lack of knowledge about the actual sacrifice one makes when signing a multi-record contract. what used to be simply fun in so many ways, now becomes a job, which, as fun as it may be at the core, still burns you out eventually. but at the same time a musician got so much more studio time and technical sophistication to produce just the right sound on just the right songs that it sorta made it obvious for an artist to pursue a contract. so i'm glad they signed, because Insomniac is still one of my favourite records, and also because with all the records that followed they kinda said fuck you to all the haters. Green Day may not be as raw and underproduced as some would like, but they are punks nonetheless.
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While I don't believe that Green Day "invented" "pop punk", I think they did bring it to the mainstream, for better or worse. As others have commented, the Buzzcocks, Ramones, Generation X (I added that one), Descendents, among others, were doing it before. But none of them really got out of the underground ie: got major radio airplay, played arenas/stadiums, etc...once again for better or worse. Peace.
Yess thank i agree with that
the ramones first record was on a major label and got crazy airplay
Every pop punk and emo band owes their ass to Green Day.
Cough Cough...Descendents...Cough Cough.
@@terriblecrayonthey didn’t really bring it to the mainstream like green day did though
@@terriblecrayon a lot of people would not know who they are if it weren’t for green day
Those Commentators... geez. Except Larry.
I liked the "Warning" album, am I alone in the world? The title song did borrow from the Kinks though.
Yes Green Day were first to fill the vacuum after Nirvana died. Many followed.
The Network Money Money 2020 is one of the best Green Day albums.
Warnings amazing imo, love the Beatles and Kinks style influence, there’s some great songwriting on that album
Incorrect. The Buzzcocks are the founding fathers of pop-punk
The Dickies are awesome too
Nah. Ramones.
Descendents were setting the pace before Green Day was assembled
Those guys have been around forever. I vaguely remember having an album of theirs when I was a little kid, I forget though
Um the Ramones?
You dropped the ball on this, as the Descendents we're a decade before and a much more original band than Green Day
There’s been poppy/catchy sounding punk rock around forever. Buzzcocks, The Dickies, Dead Milkmen, Ramones, The Undertones, The Queers, Sloppy Seconds, Screeching Weasel
Anytime someone tells me how good simple plan, my chemical romance, or some other band was, I simply return with, "but did they sing basket case?"
Or just ask where they are now… 😢
@@PheonixClack yeah lol
@@PheonixClack Aren't most of those bands playing WWWY festival with Green Day? Lol
@@lava2471 It depends. A lot of those bands and artists are having to take advantage of opening for artists like Green Day, Foo Fighters, and so on because of their lack to pull those audiences organically. Financially speaking, festivals and bigger shows with more acts to make more.
It’s also why if you look at their pages, the clips of those bigger shows are typically festivals. I’ve seen Sum-41, The Offspring, The All-American Rejects, and countless others do the same. When they do smaller lineups, the venues are basically 3,000 max occupancy.
Green Day, blink-182, and Panic! At The Disco are the only bands from that scene to maintain what they have now. MCR doesn’t count to me due to how inconsistent it is and the fact it’s not an ongoing project currently. In addition, it’s only trendy to come back so many times.
none of those bands were influenced by green day because there were already many bands before green day with the same sound (bad religion, nofx, descendents ....)
Anybody know what year this documentary is from?
Insomniac is their best work.
Founding fathers of pop punk? Do people not remember The Ramones or The Buzzcocks did this 15 years prior? Don't get me wrong, Green Day busted their a** to get where they are today, much respect, but give credit where credit is due!
You fell for a headline just like others, dude
Off course they are the prophets, but Did the Ramones and buzzcocks bring punkrock to mainstream music that day..like green day do today.??
@@azeirasbut how popular they are has nothing to do with whether they’re a founding father. I’m grateful tho they brought punk into the mainstream in the 90s, they led people to great bands like Rancid, Nofx, Pennywise, Offspring, Vandals, Bad Religion, Blink, Lagwagon, Face to Face, Strung Out, Screeching Weasel, AFI, etc
Aren't the Ramones the first pop-punk band? Weren't they the blueprint for it? Just because they weren't huge in their time doesn't make them irrelevant, right?
How old are you??
"[pop punk bands] should be paying Green Day half of whatever they make." Well Green Day should be paying Stiff Little Fingers and the Kinks half of what they make, so let's not get ahead of ourselves here Fancy Feast McQueefy.
I always felt that Green Day was almost an SLF tribute band (with a little Clash mixed in). Their influences are extremely noticeable and up front. But Green Day busted their asses and earned every bit of what they achieved. Peace.
Buzzcocks, Ramones, descendants even toxik ephex would make more sense to be the founding fathers of pop punk
agreed, and I'll add one more, in the early days for this band, Billy desperately tried to sound like Jake Burns of Stiff Little Fingers, he's even said this in interviews.
I disagree with this title, it should be The Descendents: The Real Founding Fathers of Pop Punk.
@21:00- how dare you. Be Here Now is a cocaine driven masterpiece!
Nah, it's bloated and over-produced.
Nimrods a great album
They were not the founding fathers of pop punk. Power pop and pop punk was around in the 70s when Billy was just a little kid
When I see titles like "Green Day began pop punk" I immediately assume the author has no idea who the descendents are
Green Day is my favorite band but Descendents were the founding fathers of pop punk
Them and Bad Religion in the 2nd Generation I agree, but Descendents due to Milo went to College for many years didn't outgrew the scene, but Bad Religion did when touring to promote their 3rd album. Saw them in Germany '89 on the 'suffer' Tour in grassroots punk Club. After that we regulars of said venue said they was the first Shirt millionaires as everyone and their dog was wearing their iconic Motiv. And they never again played
in a punkscene venue if it wasn't for charity ever after. But to be true to history the first ones was The Ramones, Blondie & The Clash that went famous with catchy pop meeting punk eigentlich attitude.
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Green Day Musical theater Broadway studio
Green day is the current God of rock and roll. All the Legendary bands that came before are like the greek gods. Just as important and great if not greater, but as of right now green day are the only gods remaining
Buzzcocks did it first and correctly...
Maybe you should change the title of this video. A ridiculous claim like this brings doubt to every video uploaded here. I was about to watch the punk history video... but maybe not now. I believe Green Day to be decent punk/pop band but fall far down the totem pole of punk/pop bands in regarding "founding father" status.
"we're gonna do it ourselves" yeah who wrote the music, who played the instruments? absolute idiots saying being successful = bad or selling out
probably the founding fathers of pop punk were the descendents or the buzzc0cks but not green day.
Pylon, decades before!
Far from the founding fathers... before them were Descendents... before the The Knack and other power pop type bands...
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Talk about ripping off the Ramones title.
If only there were actual footage of the bands and interviews with them instead of a lot of minor people just going blah blah
45:00
Billie Joe hates the word Pop Punk.
How come he plays so much of it then
Cos it's just a media term which doesn't describe Green Day at all. You just can't put a band like Green Day in one catagory ,they are so much more and I challenge any one of you big mouths to upload a better song that Billie Joe Armstrong and Mike and Tre can write. Then you can say they are crap or what ever bull you need to say to get through your day 😊
Absolute cash in merchants. Move along nothing to see here.
The RAMONES are founding fathers of pop punk. Green day and every band like them copied the Ramones.
A fair argument, but I'm from the UK, so my colours are always going to be flying for the Buzzcocks.
Hardly a copy, I wouldn't say that Nickelback are copying AC/DC even though both of them are rock bands. GD and the Ramones are different, although GD tunes are undoubtedly occasionally influenced by the Ramones, I can't see how anyone would call them a copy.
Green Day have never copied the Ramones,they just liked listening to them . Foolish comments
Green Day ? The founding fathers of Pop Punk ? Really ? I grew up thinking it was either The Descendants or The Buszcocks. Oh well.
"Fathers of Pop Punk"
That's a total load of *dookie* !
Exactly.
@@terriblecrayonI just bought tickets to see The Descendants and The Circle Jerks in a couple of months. Should be fun!
When being poor and punk morphs into being establishment puppets.
greenday sucks
i just go to show how the general public has zero taste in music
It's still personal taste though. I love 'em, but Green Day sometimes get dumped on because almost all of the guitar parts in their tunes are handfuls of power chords, for example.
Why are you watching this if you don't like them. Get a job and stop moaning
First 3 albums good,other ones not so much,they are not God people lol not curing cancer.
pop punk?!?!?!?
are you people insane?
punk is the complete opposite pop
sellouts
And Billie Joe hates the word Pop Punk.
@@complicatedpoliticalviews too bad
pop punk pop punk
it’s not even punk
just because you wear ripped clothes
Wah wah wah, listen to it or don't...
No one forcing you to listen
When was this dvd released?
I'd credit Bad Religion and the Descendents with that tag.
Bad Religion had only one Europe tour in grassroots punk venues. The 2nd run already had them play the commercial clubs that could host capacity above 1000.
There where bigger names in the game back then but Bad Religion was the band with the melodic harmonies growing naturally with every album. Descendents
didn't pursuit the bands 'career' with that intensity so they kinda remained more inside the scene whereas Bad Religion began to pull additional following outside the underground scene. And let's not forget the proto pop punk band of them all - the Ramones, Blondie & the Clash...
Green Day just like The Offspring had the luck and joy to come up with a release at a time when MTV & Viva (in Germany) where paying attention to what went on in the Alternative scenes and the 90s culmulated into a period where many genres peaked and where cross over or similar fusions became Trends. RHCP or RATM with funky rap'n'rock, nu metal, and bubblegum or Popcorn punk naturally fitted in. Nirwana because of the sub Pop link got tagged Grunge but was pop punk too...
Here are two great bands apart from the obvious and well known Originators I'd like to advise to give a full album play...
Doctor Bison - the bloated Vegas years
Leatherface - almost any of their albums..but mush is perhaps their best one.