AMD RX 6650 XT on a 20 Year Old 850MHz Pentium 3
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
- Let's take the trend of "new GPU old CPU" a little further than usual by going beyond when PCIe was invented.
Demo starts at 15:36.
Sorry for the CRT flicker. I didn't notice the frame rate difference until I started editing.
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this man took bottlenecking to a whole nother level, i would call this hourglassing...
Lmao spot on I audibly laughed at this comment!
@@DM01710 same here XD
ROFLMAO
🤣🤣🤣👍👍
I can imagine Mark being the guy they call the day we lay our hands on some alien technology that needs to be interfaced with preexisting hardware.
Plugging in an HDMI cable into the alien pc
@@NabeelFarooqui lol. We also need give it an Ethernet interface
Or someone who did the lowest common denominator for modern interfaces. All your bases are belongs to ... ... ...
This video feels like someone from 2000's time travelled to 2022 and purchased a AMD RX 6650 XT.
Wow, this is just wild. I've been building PCs for over 25 years and this is the first time I've ever seen this. Thanks, Mark!
and to top that it's done on a carpet
@@harddrive6603 lol he always does that. Pretty sure it's a troll at this point
yes wow very interesting. thanks!
always take a shot when he says aamm
so annoying holy crap
Fascinating, this video is like a how-to tech video you would normally see in the early 2010's of CZcams. This brings nostalgia
If you ever bothered to ask why, we'd never get awesome videos like this! Thanks for doing crazy cool stuff like this, even when it serves no functional purpose!
Mageia 8 has a 32-bit release that's compiled for plain 586, and includes a lot of stuff out of the box! It's far from a lightweight distro though. Mageia 9 is currently going through QA testing, but from what I've read it should release with kernel 5.19 compiled for 586 just like its current release.
@unsubtract Indeeed... with a day or two of compiling you could have this going. I've done it, it doesn't take much longer than a normal install (you just go to sleep while its doing its thing). Gentoo is easy... Linux from scratch is hard (not even hard it holds your hand all the way through its just much more typing and less functional after you are done because there is no package manager, except for you).
Could instead go for a lightweight desktop like fvwm or e16, should make it a bit nicer.
The nostalgia. I missed my Pentium 3. It's the 1st pc that I bought. The slot type pentium 3 and also the pc in which I learned to assemble and repair computers.
My first was a slot type K7 👍
I’m jealous of the amount of free time this man has.
Time will never expire, there will always be more time. Or as a wise Sami from Norway once said: "Tiden går ikke, hun kommer".
@@marcovalentinoalvarado3290 that's kinda mediocre, no?
@@marcovalentinoalvarado3290 1440p 50+ fps since 2015-ish. I stopped using 1080p in 2009 or so, and stopped playing CS or other online FPS a bit later. I guess 400 usd was a lot for me too before I had a steady job in my early 20s... i don't have kids so i can afford to blow 500-1200 usd on a video card once every 3-4 years.
the pentium 3 was in my first comp ever. 10 gig drive.. i used that thing 2002-2012, as a router in the end. I'm not very impressed with this video because i've played with similar hardware when I was younger. the uni in my home town, they used to toss old comps away and for a time it was legal to take them from the dumpsters they used. I've seen some weird stuff, also from the 70s, but I am above "average geek" or "pc enthusist" in my appetite/interest for hardware
anyway, I learned that part about pcie and pci being compatible and that pci is not part of the ATX/x86 standard (not sure which), so that's interesting..
I'm not impressed with the vid because in the end he didn't actually make it work, but rather complained about the driver situation. So the overall mission was only 30% successful in my view. As for the card.. It's probably more than good enough to do whatever capturing/encoding he plans to do. Anyway.. this is a curiosity project. It would be far more practical to plug the card into something with a 755 socket (or amd equivalent from that time) which has pcie already. No need to monkey around like this. You can get a 755-ish system from ebay for 20-40 bucks with ram or even a whole case and save a lot of time.
@@jazzochannel Stop play videogames,find a job.
Functional or not, the fact that the motherboard itself even posted with this card is pretty insane. Goes to show how dedicated standards have been for so long.
i love how he show cases the anti-static carpet. Great vid my man!
This is not a bottleneck , this is like trying to thread a needle with a steel pipe
25min of explaining computing is commendable
Its amazing how we can still learn new things with tech
This Maybe the coolest thing that popped up in the feed today! Love seeing old hardware still chugging along. But to mix and match hardware like this? Next level!
I wonder if they ever made AGP adaptors?
That's one of the parts that you can go without your whole life but it would have allowed so much opportunities if you had discovered it earlier.
Thanks for sharing!
Question, isn't it a bad idea to put hardware on a floor mat due to ESD risks?
Not a problem
ESD is a lie invented by computer companies to shift the blame when they sell you faulty crap. In all my entire life of working with computers I've only ever fried a RAM module with ESD once and maybe a CPU but I still suspect the other techie shorted the motherboard out somehow and that fried the CPU
When connected to ground it is never a problem 🤣🤣🤣
@@Tundreq =O
its based
Apart from all the 'uhm's' which gave me stress, nice to see people keep fiddleing with old, cool hardware.
Your intro theme was made with Fruity Loops Toxic Biohazard using the 8SEQ GENUSis ToTc preset. I give you two thumbs up. :) Amazing build though, I would definitely try to run COD1 on that rig. 👍
Oh, the ISA bit of info was nice to know, same with PCI/PCIe compatibility. I appreciate the explanation throughout the video!
Randomly appear on my recommendation, looks interesting. Keep going!
this guy went completely retro, like it man love it !
Very informational, learned a lot, loved the video
Wow! Glad to see u back!!
Very cool man, your collection and knowledge of it is impressive. :)
NCR Extended Rom is a proprietary POS ROM For NCR Systems. its used in a plethora of Point Of Sale systems that utilized Pentium based CPU's and motherboards.
the SDC Notice is a Silent Data Corruption - this is more than likely due to the PCI-PCIe bridge corrupting a bunch of data being sent over the bus and BIOS does not recognize it. 210H is pointing to an expansion unit, as Standardized I/O Base Addressing says 210 through 217 base I/O is IBM PC Spec for Expansion Units. the "H" is the specific mapped location of the 210 Addressing header.
Your an absolute madman!
damn this is awesome, i live for this sort of thing, good vid man 👌
*just a constructive tip from a fan, watch the "um" filler word, i know its a pain to dial back the habbit but will just provide more polish to your video
Wow... an NCR industrial PELE2 board! Didn't think I'd ever see one of those in the wild again!
Those could support 500MHz to 1.0GHz Coppermine P3s if I remember correctly, but the 850MHz chip and 256MB or 512MB of PC133 RAM was a very common configuration.
Very quick for the time.
I put a newer video card in my old 2008 dell server and got no G7 video mode, it would not show bios or start-up text. What is g7?
Thanks for talking the time. This type of content is awesome!
A 6650XT on a Pentium 3 is the most fascinating abomination I've ever seen. I had no idea these bridge chips existed.
Weird how we've come full circle with the latest NUC Extreme systems and the motherboard-on-backplane arrangement.
This is extreme! Awesome video!
First time hearing about this! Thanks for the vid.
Brilliant!! Never thought this would be possible - your knowledge is amazing - thank you
I seen a guy do this with a dual Tualatin 1.4ghz system awhile back and it was pretty impressive. Not sure what card he used but i know he was able to play Skyrim with it lol
Impressive that video playback is that smooth, with all the circumstances
I think I heard that you could do this somewhere before but never seen it done. That was awesome
This is so cool!
Thank you.
Glad to see you back, Mark! Love these crazy projects with the nostalgia aspect (CRT was a great addition).
Would like to know your opinion on the new 12+4pin power cables being introduced. We are seeing GPUs potentially pulling sustained 500-600W very soon... on a single 12V cable. Is this reason to be concerned?
There is nothing technically wrong with it. As long as the conductors are made to spec, there should be no issue. AFAIK the melting PCI-SIG was seeing was due to manufacturers not doing testing on their own products. I do think the design of the pins could have been improved for lower contact resistance, but nothing we can do now...
@@TheUbuntuGuy It's always been a hack... the correct thing to do from the PCI-SIG perspective would be to just use a proper sized single power cable. It would be better in pretty much every way even airflow. It is even dangerous if one of the wires fails your it can end up overloaded and a fire hazard outside of PCs supplying a single load with multiple unprotected circuits isn't even legal.
@@TheUbuntuGuy Thank you. It seems your comment aged like fine wine.
Did they ever make an adapter for AGP to PCIe? I remember PCI graphics being phased out to AGP before eventually everything going to PCIe..
Probably you had issues with the XT with power draw. If iirc, PCI can only deliver 30w, when PCI-E can go higher than 75 depending on revisions.
ISA buss is commonly still used in modern systems to connect a few simpler onboard chips like timer and realtime clock. I believer fan controller and PC speaker also connects over ISA
9:50 why does the motherboard say directx 11 support? does the motherboard have anything at all to dowith directx support? isn't that all graphics software drivers
i wonder if any demoscene demos from the last 10, 15 years will run on 512MB...?
your hw protocols knowledge is outstanding
so glad youve posted, i was just thinking earlier that i hadn't seen you in ages
20:29 Damn, just hearing that noise made my fingers feel tingly haha
Been a while since I've felt that
I enjoyed watching the video. Getting a p3 to boot with a pcie card is nuts. Outside of the fun of getting it to work, I can't think of a reason to do it though.
the ability to add modern expansion cards could actually be practically useful. on my p3 gaming machine i dual boot win98se and modern debian to make putting files on it easier. modern pcie usb, wifi, ethernet, etc cards would be easier to get a hold of than pci based ones, and for most purposes i wouldn't care about if windows supported it, only if linux did.
@@Megabobster I don't think this would work too well with Windows as the drivers simply are not there. This works on Linux because Linux keeps a lot of drivers for backwards compatibility. But for really stupid stuff you would have to build a custom kernel for it to work. The canned kernels only support so much.
Take a drink every time he says uh or um 😅😂
Thanks, the plx bridge for pci to pcie riser opens up certain opportunities with an older board I'm playing with
I wonder what's going to "accelerate" what in this scenario. ;D Typing this before watching...
I have a PIII based myself (It's 24yo now), but I realized the onboard video is "fine" and any sort of viagra won't make the grandpa do things more enthusiastic!
I truly adore the "let's see" approach!!!
How does it browse the web? Can it when load CZcams videos?
Love the video, nice to see some of this aging hardware being used for stuff.
Electronics and carpet is a bad idea from an ESD standpoint though.
This is amazing :O
And recording with a camcorder because at this point why the hell not lmao
I think the oldest PC hardware I put together was Pentium 2 or so. I don't think I ever messed w/ Pentium 3. I was of course peeking under the hood way back when 386 and 486 processors were a thing. I blew up my Parent's 386 PC (my first home PC) by trying to vacuum out the dust inside it. This was before I learned about how static electricity and PCs don't play nice together. :D
I wonder what the perfomance might be if you plugged one of those adapters into an Intel Atom board, just how much of a bottleneck the CPU would be?
I found some old Pentium 4. I got rid of the case. But I wonder if I could do the same as shown here.
The ISA bus is effectively "connected" on modern systems through the Low Pin Count (LPC) bus. It occupies the same I/O address space: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Pin_Count
The Super I/O chip (usually Nuvoton/Winbond) providing fan control, temp monitoring and legacy connectors, is connected via that bus, even on the very latest systems. :)
Ah yes, just the right thing to watch while installing Gentoo on a 500MHz Pentium 3 (just a laptop though, so no chance of me taking you up on the challenge to get amdgpu working)
I've known about the bridge working both ways between PCI and PCI-E, but never considered actually trying it, this is pretty cool to see it's actually feasible. Also, you can't technically have a bottleneck if you get rid of the bottle and just have a neck, some real 4D chess going on here.
I have been messing with computers ever since age 8. I may not be way too old as my first system was a dell dimension 4000 or something with a p4. Today I use a i5 4590 / GTX 1080 system. Never have I ever seen so many curious questions that I thought were impossible to answer due to incompatibility get answered in one video, hope this gets millions of views! This shows just what windows will do to output to a display properly. Even simple GPUs (ones that are made before the term GPU) work properly. Interesting to see the old vista animation plays. crazy stuff like this is all I did as a kid, plugging stuff into computers and screwing with software. good times...
This was interesting. :) I would have liked to see a few tests of running games on it, if the modern GPU could have been working with 3D. :) And, for maybe a future video idea, what about comparing that, to a modern PC platform with a really old PCI video card? For example, something like an i9-12900KS on one of the few LGA 1700 motherboards that has a PCI slot, paired with an ATI Graphics Wonder PCI from 1992 :)
A couple other ideas I think might be interesting would be to hook up an ancient hard or floppy drive (5.25" MFM or an even older 8" or 14" type) to a modern system (LGA 1700, AM5, WRX8, LGA4189, etc), or hook up a modern PCIe Gen 4 NVMe SSD to an ancient system that dates from the early 1980s or even older. :)
when you use a very powerful modern CPU that does not contain any iGPU/APU functionality (such as a Ryzen 9 5950X that does not contain a GPU), using it with a very old graphics card and present-day GNU/Linux as the operating system results in a situation that is kind of "cheating" because GNU/Linux is now home to llvmpipe, the most powerful software 3D renderer in history. This causes the most high-performance software configuration on such a system to become disabling all hardware 3D graphics drivers and using the display controller as a basic framebuffer, to display the results of using llvmpipe as a fully emulated GPU being executed entirely on the CPU as x86 instructions.
I watched a 5950X in a _headless_ system with _no hardware GPU_ hit stable 60fps in Minecraft Java 1.19 on low settings at fullscreen 1080p, in a fully software Xorg virtual display through Sunshine-Moonlight remote desktop, which was ALSO using the CPU at the same time to encode the frames as x264 video to send them to my viewer through the ethernet connection. I expect that the results with very old graphics cards would be similar, with the overpowered CPU running the emulated GPU even faster due to the even smaller than 1080p resolution and not having to also process a virtual display and send it over network at the same time.
Very good video and explanation! Imagine the gpu connected with the ISA slots!
There is no PCI to ISA adapters as far as I know that were commercially available. ISA to PCI adapters seem to exist but only allow you to connect ISA cards to the PCI which was likely a stopgap solution for for companies needing to use legacy ISA devices in their production at the time while they replaced some very expensive industrial hardware that needed them to operate.
@@alexisrivera200xable Thanks for the explanation Alexis, I thought they had already something to do such a conversion.
THE RETURN!
Wonder how many of these bridges actually got used, crazy, never even heard of them.
Great Video ! , could you make it with a bit better cpu so it does support 5.11?
Thanks!
This video is so cool
can you please put the bridge's link in the desc so we can buy it
Not just putting it together, but also doing it on some exotic backplane system.
Reminds me of the adapter stack to run a Voodoo 5 on a modern board.
As someone running a Pentium III 933 on an i815 board I can only say, well done.
But wow, HD 6450, AMDs answer to the GT 710
Ever tried on PowerPC based computers...Macs or AmigaNG machines?
Why not use a small SSD? That might speed up boot up times for sure.
14 minutes into the video, he still hasn't attached the new card to the old board, glued to my seat
I actually found one of these adapters in an old IBM office PC that I was given years ago. I just assumed it was some proprietary thing rather than being part of the PCIe spec.
There was nothing plugged into it when I got it so I'm not sure what it was used for.
Interesting. Video playback behaves much like on ARM SBCs. It can work decently but totally shits itself when there is an overlay.
I love how the board is right on the carpet.
used that converter for my dad's dell dimension 2400 which he still uses btw, upgraded it to a radeon r9 360, also installed a 3ghz pentium 4, and 2gb of ram to help it along and a ssd. i was able to get skyrim working on it amazingly, not that he'd ever use it for that, he just types with it and wanted a larger screen, the onboard intel 845 gpu couldn't display a high enough resolution for the new screen.
Finally, and upgrade path for my 3dfx Voodoo rig!
Never knew that those bridges would in the reserve. I have tried to use couple of PCI to PCIe bridges with Ryzen 5600x + B550M chipset to use old PCI sound cards to get OPL3 compatibility. Almost everytime when I play audio through the card, it plays for few seconds and crashes the PC. I think it definitely something to do with sharing IRQ even between the PCIe slots.
My question is... why the motherboard has caps with ink on them?
Damn, i was hoping i'd see RTX 4090 Ultrainsane Ti edition on a commodore 64
Actually the TPM header on new motherboards uses a ISA bus.
There are diagnostic cards that show post codes from this TPM header.
One example is the TL611 Pro that sells on aliexpress for 15 dollars.
The old style used LPC off the chipset, but Intel is really pushing all to be SPI in the near future
Wait... So a huge problem with running old DOS games on modern hardware is isa sound cards. Is there enough pins on that tpm header to adapt it to a 8 or 16bit ISA slot?
For an Isa sound card connected via a tpm header You'd need an LPC to ISA bridge chip. Older TPMs connect using LPC which is logically compatible with ISA but not electrically compatible. The most Modern motherboards that have ISA slots are known to use LPC bridge chips so creating an adapter card with a bridge chip that plugs into a LPC header should in theory be doable. Whether or not this is truly dos compatible remains to be seen, This of course wont work on the most recent mother boards that have an SPI TPM header (newer than about 2015)
I recall that the first time PCI slots appeared on PC motherboards were during the 486 generation of processors. Imagine the pain of trying that with such a PC ! Incredible !
Pci is Pci e , we went from Pci to Agp then back to pci , but the new improved version of it so we can't really say it was not invented yet as it was , it was just the first version of pci - e. The pentium 3 socket is a 370.
Really cool! ❤
now this is amazing.
I feel obnoxious by not seeing an anti static mat for the electronic components.
The PCIe to PCI bridge is the Asmedia ASM1083 chip left op the top most PCI slot @8:40
This is wild. The bottleneck going through the PCI bus must be nuts.
The cars must me like dafaq lol
how you gonna pull out multiple modern company stuff like asus when me sitting here is waiting for agp to show up. i got a p4 with a card to show lol
games can be runed at software mode in Unreal tournament and even Unreal tournament 2004 - a 700mgz co are minimum on ut2004 thou and in case of ut2004 ou need to tweak the .ini file in unreal tournament/system -there are 2 tweakble files both ini s
Was wondering if Windows 7, 10 will run on this ancient 512MB.. Great share on the pci to pci express bridge..
You can update the Linux kernel using Debian testing, Debian sid, or the Debian bullseye-backports repository. You could also, of course, use Alpine, ArchLinux32, Gentoo, etc
Work nice ❤️
Nice video. I out togive this a try ive got an old 600mhz p3 from 1999 that id love to get a gpu on.
Seems like I recall PLX making chips on certain motherboards that added additional PCI Express lanes so you could install additional devices beyond what the CPU could hand off bandwidth to.
That's what all chipsets do. For an example B550M would take 4 PCIe 4.0 lanes from the CPU and divide the bandwidth as PCIe 3.0 lanes.
You should get a pcie 1x to 16x riser cable with external power.
Likely the issues is because lack of 12v on the pcie slot
4:29 THAT NCR? New California Republic?
bro said "uhm" 15 times in the first 50 seconds 💀