original.honestly I kinda thing the dream team style looks like crap. The old style just had so much character to it and this version just doesn't compare. ALSO WHERE THE FUCK IS MY PARTNERS IN TIME?
Fawful's Minion Honestly, I like both. I became a fan when the originals were made, and I stayed for the DXs for them both. And I wouldn’t change that for anything.
I’m grateful. AlphaDream should’ve went with the sharply cartoony 2D animation style of either one or even all (if’s that is possible) predecessors from the 2000s before they went bankrupt.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Nintendo buy the "Mario & Luigi" IP from Alphadream. I mean, the didn't bail them out but the ip can still survive.
More in tune with Luigi's character i think, if you take the beginning of Superstar Saga for example he REALLY doesn't wanna be on these journeys, he'd rather stay home
@@newtfigton8795 Let me explain myself: it bothered me at first because I love the energetic tone they have in the original, but later I thought "well, it sort of fits for Luigi"
The Cutehog Team I think the reason they did the BIS Remake first was because there were not any real DS gimmicks in Partners in Time. The only one I know is when you had to use the stylus only once and that’s it
@@Too1998 Yeah, i really hate the Dream team art style, it was the first thing that made me want not to buy dream team at first, and then they kept it for ... 4 game ? I feel like Bowser looks very bad in this artstyle too
Fawfuls minion ,you are the king of the countdown, putting so much heart into a genre many half ass for views, instead perfecting it and putting your heart into maximum overdrive ,on top of communicating with your fans. You are the youtuber who got me into tf2 despite watching many other tf2 gmod videos for literal years prior ,and you are by and large my favorite youtuber to quote with my friends thanks to your poetic way with words and wacky personality. Keep up the amazing work you beautiful bean, and thanks for the years of chortles and entertainment you've given hundreds of thousands of people across the internet. I hope one day to have the same level of personality, wit , determination and hard work you put into your passion. Dont you ever stop being incredible Logan
Maybe, the members of AlphaDream will go on to form another company that makes a new Mario RPG series as a spiritual successor to Mario & Luigi. Fan games are always a possibility as well...
I’m just glad that we actually have these remakes for the Classic Mario & Luigi games since I never actually played the original Superstar Saga and Bowser’s Inside Story but did play Partners in Time. Next stop, Mario & Luigi on Nintendo Switch. (Please add Wario and Waluigi into the game!)
I know how you feel exactly. I felt the same about some Gamecube games that later get Wii releases or remakes. I still recomend you to try the original BiS if you can. Let's say they are at the same time equal and different, but I'm glad you're finally able to play these games.
The lack of microphone controls in the BIS remake is indeed the best thing about it. Makes me wish for a Zelda: Spirit Tracks remake that does away with it also.
We’ve had 4 games use the DT engine and yet unitonically DT is arguably still the best looking game. The dream aesthetics and fantastic world design was great especially since the remakes got rid of 3D attacks
Funny and sad at the same time. Dream team's artstyle was simply designed for 3d, and since the remakes weren't 3d and paper jam was meshed with paper, dream team ended up being the most appealing in the end.
Finally someone said it. The framerate and overall slowed down gameplay of the BiS Remake is annoying and make it a lot less fun to play compared to the original.
It’s weird that the BIS remake isn’t at 60 FPS... either the game had a way lower budget than superstar saga DX, or the 3D giant battles took up a lot of memory space on the game cartridge so they had to slow things down 🤷♂️
@@unclegrandpagaming165 I think it was cause Alphadream was running out of money when they made this. They needed a quick cash-grab to get back on track. That doesn't excuse it, though. They could've spent the money making a new Mario and Luigi game for the Switch instead of remakes.
@@Stinktofu0021 "I don't care/noticed it" doesn't magically remove the problem from existence. It's not about finding a reason to go 60fps, it's about finding a reason to *NOT* go 60fps. 60fps is the default and is much smoother than 30fps, especially for a game like Mario & Luigi. It's factually a problem that had no reason to happen considering Superstar Saga DX was smooth 60fps.
At this point, as much as I want them to remaster PIT, I honestly want them to move on to the next main line M&L game. I want a brand new story, new characters, new abilities, new lands to explore, new music to hear. I want a *new* M&L game. Not a remaster, a new one. It'd be perfect to put it on the Switch as well.
Here’s how I want Partners in Time to be remastered. They make both versions of Princess Leach much more capable of themselves. Like I said before, even though I find Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time to be underappreciated like its predecessor, at the same time, I could see why people might have a problem with it, that being Princess Peach (both the adult and baby version) sounding like and being token damsels.
One think that bothers me with the remakes is a lack of a a hardmode. They added it to dream team so they showed that they can do it and it greatly boosted my enjoyment of the game. Another thing I never got is why they didn't add badges to the superstar saga remake. If you're gonna go for the gameplay updates go in all the way I'd say.
Luckily, I played it on a emulator so I just had to modify the sound of the game and simulate the mic I literary had to do nothing to win that battle was just clicking the icon and use the punch in the mountain thing and to counterattack
Martanis_IV the one thing that bothers me about the Magic Window is that you can’t use it indefinitely like in the original. It was an allowance for skilled players in late game, and an incentive to explore Bowser’s Castle as Mario and Luigi.
Yeah but magic window was amazing and fast while in the remake it was slow and bad on my recent playthrpugh of the game I was tempted not to get it but I wanted to get the beams and blocks down there
Great video, but I would have added these points Good: Taking a note from dream team, Bowser’s giant bosses have been added to the arena, so no longer do we have to replay the entire game to re-experience the fun giant battles (+2) Bad: So you can add giant battles, a fun distraction, to the gauntlet, but you didn’t even add Bowser’s main battles to the gauntlet? What the hell? I want my Dark Fawful EX goddamnit! (+2) Why does the Dark Star EX use the normal boss theme when Antasma X from Dream Team reused the Antasma battle theme? (+1)
I liked Superstar Saga DX and thought Bowser's Minions was a good side story. Bowser's Inside Story DX, meh take it or leave it. I did like Bowser Jr's Journey though.
Fawful's Minion should have covered Bowser Jr's Journey Journey a lot more than he actually did. The story is on par with the main games stories (Except for Paper Jam obviously.), which is surprising since Bowser's Minions isn't. He also did not cover music from the side stories which I think the new music from BJJ would have made him appreciate BIS's music more. It really makes me wonder if he even completed it. It only gets really good after you complete your first visit to Blubble Lake, so that makes me even more concerned with how long Fawful played it.
@@6k546 wouldn't be surprised if I'm being honest. Pushing forward (wheeze) is VERY hard in that game. Bowser jr. Is still an annoying little shit for the first half, and the gameplay is simply hot garbage, even if it is improved from bowsers minions.
I’m very glad someone brought up the butchered sound bits. The two instances where I preferred the original was Bowser’s whiffed jab in his fight at the toad town hospital where I thought the grunts and tripping was exceptionally funny, and Dark Fawful’s giggles when using the suction headgear 360 attack during his fight in Peach’s castle. They are little things, but it’s those that you tend to notice the most.
Yoko’s usually hit or miss when she remixes. But when she makes new music? GOOD LORD IS IT AWESOME. Seriously, The final boss theme of Bowser Jr’s Journey is nothing short of amazing! Easily my second favorite song behind In the Final!
BISDX's new title theme is... good, but I really wish they remade the original instead, and I absolutely HATE what they did to the minigame theme. But overall, I love the remastered BIS soundtrack!
theres ONE thing i find unforgivable about BiS DX luigi's sprite doesnt dance on the level up screen. in the original version, luigi does a fun little shuffle, in the remake, he just stands there.
Welp, maybe he doesn’t like to see what’s so bad about it, since then again, he did defend Super Mario Sunshine, Sonic Forces, Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic Lost World and most 3D Sonic games including Sonic Free Riders.
These both have my blessing, they are some of the best looking games on the system, the music is top notch, the combat is great, and they make aome improvements as well, they are by no means perfect remakes but i still love them. (Also im one of the few who legitamently enjoyed the side modes plus we got more fawful lines from them so thats a plus.)
I prefer both the DX versions. Though it is a real bummer that the Challenge Medal no longer makes the game harder, at least that means Bowser X won't be even more infuriating than he already is.
We need one of two: A Parthners in Time remake that fix things to the point it becomes one of the best, or a new incredible game for the switch, or better, BOTH.
What do you propose PiT DX "fix" that wouldn't involve a complete overhaul. As far as I understand people only moan about two things - linearity and Bros items. They could restore Bros points for the remake and get rid of the item stocking of those attacks but the linearity is fundamentally woven into the game. Keep in mind PiT is one of my favorites in the series because I don't have a pathological aversion to linearity like most gamers (who don't even seem to realize that ALL M&L games are completely linear - they just have open hub worlds to lightly disguise this fact), but they're not going to change the game's fundamental layout so what exactly did you have in mind?
@@ThrillingDuck I don't think the linearity of PiT is that much of an issue, I like just having a straight line to go in and having fun doing it. I think the main issue is how spammable the bro's moves are and how spongy the bosses are in the late game, they could fix it by making coins more scarce so you can't just buy 50 thousand cannonballers and destroy everything, and also making beans non-renewable so fawfuls shop doesn't feel like a cheap way of cheesing the difficulty of the entire game.
@@DannyCheezits I'm on board with all of this, though I still think restoring Bros Points would work a little better than money scarcity personally. Not that it seems likely PiT DX is ever gonna happen now anyway with Alpha Dream out of commission :(
These 2 are an automatic blessed from me, I absolutely love how they updated them, especially BISDX. And that's coming from someone who's favorite game ever is BIS, but God damn did the remake blow me away.
I got a 2DS last Saturday and played Mario and Luigi Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions, and it is amazing, I'm almost at the end of the game! After I finish it, I'm gonna play Bowser's Minions Mode! Then when I'm finish the game, I'm gonna get and play Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr's Journey!
also I didn't see much slow down on M & L BiS, maybe because I played on a new 3ds and they optimized it for the new 3ds and its better processing power
Blessed or Messed: Paper Mario: Color Splash. Is it as messed as Sticker Star or is it in the range of Blessed of M&L: Paper Jam? Seriously, I'm still waiting on that episode...
Kyle / DEA187MDKjr the story is the same though atleast bis dx has a good story and a good side story like the original bis paper jam isn't a bad game but it also isnt a good game id say it's a 6/10
@@DarkFawful Also, the part that sickens me is how some Paper Mario fans are clamoring that AlphaDream's bankruptcy means Paper Mario will go back to it's roots. Dude, just, no.
I'm personally not a fan of the remasters. Dream Team's new graphics were great, but seeing the same models, voice clips and general sound design over and over and over again just gets... boring. I actually prefer the more pixelated look of the older games
I am a fan of the graphics myself, however they shouldn't have reused as many sprites as they did. Toads have never looked more plain and boring (Even the 2 latest paper mario games had more expressiveness than this), they could have done with more exaggeration like they did with the remastered sprites for Popple and Cackletta, and they could have maybe done something with the colors, such as making some things more vibrant. Overall, I'd say that they could have done better. I am not tired of the graphics, just dont want them reusing the same sprites over and over again. Atleast give the same sprites some new animations, like with Mario and Luigi's battle animations.
They have steadily gotten better every game to the point that they barely even look like the Dream Team models anymore, besides, why fix what isn’t broken?
@@hyperdrive282 Exactly. Although a little change my be good, why waste all the effort they put into making the sprites in the first place? Dream Team took so long to develope mostly because of the sprite work alone. If I spent that long on valuable assets for games, I would want to use them more often too.
The next Mario and Luigi rpg need to take notes from Cuphead. A beautiful Cartoon graphics that homage the original Pixel artstyle of the first three games.
7:57 I found that instead of having to blow into the mic, you could just rub your finger over it really fast. It makes a similar sound and confuses the mic, giving you an excellent almost every time. And you don’t end up looking like an idiot if your playing in public. Try this out next time you go back and play this game.
My thoughts exactly. They should have made a remake of Partners in Time. They knew the mistakes they made in this game, so why did they had to ignore it and make a remake of a game that was already successful?
I like SSDX, but the Bowser's Minions section actually managed to piss me off. I haven't played BISDX yet (at the time I send this reply), but I do hope the BJJ section is better than Bowser's Minions. And before I get replies saying that I'm not missing anything, I've already seen all the cutscenes. I'm testing the GAMEPLAY.
You know I think the problem with the art direction in these remakes isn’t the the sprite work itself. It looks great. It’s that it just doesn’t look as good as in a 2d game. Dream team had these 2d sprites in a 3D plane most of the time, along with the battles. Since the remakes are of a game that was originally 2d, they just weren’t meant for a 2d overworld. And I’m not saying the overworld is literally only left and right, but the overworld in dream team was *actual* 3D models. It was an actual 3D game.
My favorite DS game of all time is actually Partners in Time. I just love how you can control two sets of characters at the same time, and the battle system is just awesome. Sucks that its the one game they didn't make a remake of. But maybe its a dodged bullet...
well, I feel like SS DX was great because it brought Superstar Saga to a newer platform, so that people who hadn't played the original could play it... BIS DX just, releases on pretty much the same platform... I must say that I haven't played DX, but I just don't feel like the sprites give off as much "charm" as the original ones... Bowser also lost most of his charm in the DX... making him more like "angry evil bad guy" other than "slightly less evil bad guy who isn't really a bad guy for now" just... the change in design kinda is... ugly? I suppose...
Alright, let me be frank. I ain't never click on notifications or put time aside in my day for CZcams...unless it's the whimsical Fawful's "Logan" Minion. Every video you make is a gold mine for me, and you have...honestly inspired the humor I love to give out (which I would classify as "what the hell am I saying?" Humor). Keep up the amazing work, Logan, I'll continue being excited for your videos.
Speaking as someone who played both superstar saga and bowsers inside story on release, based on what you said these remasters seem to serve as more than serviceable introductions to games a lot of people probably missed. Here’s hoping a new game with a new art style comes to the switch
I actually never had any lag issues for BIS DX. Also I wonder what he thinks about the bowser Jr's journey's battle theme, boss battle theme, and final boss battle theme.
Personally, I enjoyed both of the remakes, even the side games were fun. They fixed the problems that both the originals had. Here's hoping that they eventually remake Partners in Time, even if it's for the Switch Or even a new game, I'm all for that too!
I'm thinking then reason they didn't make a PIT remake was because they are making a new game on switch, and that they wanted to get out these remakes before this new game is announced.(just a personal theory though)
I personally think that both soundtracks of BiS are on equal footing, also if the M&L games on 3DS looked this good i can't wait to see how they look on the Switch
Maybe do a play through of them? I think it'd be a nice consistent thing between other vids and would be funny in general. Also, we NEED the next Star wars prequel blessed or messed.
I just now discovered your channel and I am blown away. I played Bowser's Inside Story to death when it came out for the DS and wont get it for the 3DS. But the other one.. oh boy, you really hyped me up! I need to play it!!!!!!
Great video, I appreciate the quality of your work. I haven't played Bowser's inside story Deluxe but I might just give it a shot now. Keep up the awesome work
I don't have an opinion on the BiS remake since I haven't played it but I do enjoy the SS remake~ The only complaint I have is that they took away the ability to switch which bro is first I know the later games didn't have that but it really irks me that they didn't keep it, I liked having Luigi lead damn it!
Once again a great video. I swear, you hopped through time and swallowed some famous writer dude to Kirby his literature skills. And your voice is awesome. You could read a school textbook and your voice would have me engaged.
When I first played Superstar Saga 3DS, I liked it a lot, but over time I've changed my opinion. The original just sticks in my mind way more, and also I thought the changes to the overworld and battle mechanics did nothing but dumb everything down. Bowser's Minions was fun as bonus exposition, but not really fun as a game. The only thing I think was a definitive across the board upgrade was the music.
The Inside Story remake sucks cause it keeps trying to push Koopalings not being Bowser's Kids, a terrible canon that i refuse to accept. Also the BFF's in Junior's Journey are supposed to be the same race as Midbus, wtf? I want more Midbus in general cause hes cool and feels like a real rival for Bowser, but thats stupid.
Which version do I prefer? Well...uh...I guess I sort of prefer...the original, because of a few reasons you didn't mention. The DX replaced a lot of characters like Psycho Kamek and Mecha Chomp and all those different Toads in Fungitown. It also left out too much from the originals; There isn't a single cameo of Wario or DK or any other Nintendo series anywhere (They really must be that stubborn not to let Wario Land back.). For the giant battles, to me Bowser wasn't that huge like he was in the original. Last but not least, the side stories for Captain Goomba and Bowser Jr. didn't exactly make sense. For example, Poison Mushrooms don't cause Bean Fever. Oh, and Bowser Jr.'s Journey was beginning to look more like that horrible Paper Jam. I'm convinced Mario & Luigi is ruined just like Paper Mario still is. I'm convinced Nintendo has run out of ideas for both of those Mario spinoffs, for what could possibly come after Paper Jam? I'm sorry, but that's what I think of them now. 😔
Graphics: Obviously better Music: Depends on how you feel. I think for Superstar Saga, the music was improved on, except for Teehee Valley. For BIS, it was just improved on. Gameplay: Again, depends on how you feel. I feel like it was improved on. Difficulty: Superstar Saga DX was harder. BIS felt the same.
Fawful's minions this review was great and I can definitely see the time and energy you put into these videos 👍. I personally LOVED BIS and SS originally and you made me now think about trying the remakes 😁. Here's hopping for Mario and Luigi 6 👍👍
I prefer the originals based on their styles. The first three games had a very distinct style each looking better than the next, then Dream Team comes along and overrides the old style, which in my mind defined the Mario & Luigi series, since every rendition before had the previous style. I think it wouldn't have been difficult for Nintendo to have made Dream Team with the older style with the dark borders around characters and enemies whilst still improving the graphics, but changing the entire style I feel was a huge mistake.
I never played SSS or the DX version. But BIS is my all time favorite RPG. And I completely agree with everything you’ve said. At first I thought it was my bad habit of being over leveled. But the remake really is a lot easier. So yeah lots of quality of life stuff was given by trading speed and difficulty. But it’s still pretty good nonetheless. Edit: Also I was really bothered by the voice changes until I realized. “Oh yeah they’ve had these new voices since Dream Team... so why am I complaining about them now”?
I can say, without a single doubt in my mind, that both of these wonderful remakes are BLESSED to the core! So glad they remade these great games. It’s sad they’re getting so much hate.
bro I love the REMAKES i think there great. I love Fawful has his own battle theme (even tho it’s Cackletta theme) I love the Dark Star and Dark Fawful themes :)
Honestly, I feel like that a Bowser's inside story remake was uncalled-for and too early. Not only does the original game came out nearly a decade ago, (9 years AFTER when the DX released), the original game was also backwards compatible with the 3DS. I think the only reason we have remakes on the classic games is because after paper jam, the sales didn't meet expectations and they didn't want to go bankrupt, so they remade the "golden games" that sold well years ago. Too bad that Superstar Saga DX sold 500k and Bowser's Inside Story sold 34k (In Japan.)
One thing I can't get over is the new EXCELLENT sounds effect. I know it'd be hard to perfectly recreate the DS sound font, but I'd rather just put dream teams
Which version of each do YOU prefer? Original, or DX?
Fawful's Minion both
original.honestly I kinda thing the dream team style looks like crap. The old style just had so much character to it and this version just doesn't compare. ALSO WHERE THE FUCK IS MY PARTNERS IN TIME?
Fawful's Minion Honestly, I like both. I became a fan when the originals were made, and I stayed for the DXs for them both. And I wouldn’t change that for anything.
Original. The remakes aren't bad. But they feel watered down in comparison.
I perfer origniol(sorry for my bad spelling).
"I guarantee it's the last time we'll see Dream Team's artstyle."
Oh no, he couldn't have been more right.
Tree Sauce no, stop...it still hurts...
I’m grateful. AlphaDream should’ve went with the sharply cartoony 2D animation style of either one or even all (if’s that is possible) predecessors from the 2000s before they went bankrupt.
Mans about to make me cry
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Nintendo buy the "Mario & Luigi" IP from Alphadream. I mean, the didn't bail them out but the ip can still survive.
@Jordy Aguilar that didnt age well xD
I just want to hear Mario go
"BABIES!"
again
mike agreed
And now we never will.
mike only if they made a remake of it o wait they can’t and just play it again
@@imhereforthememes500 DO NOT SAY THIS AGAIN!
I like better how Luigi said:"Babies!"
Original BIS: OKEY DOKEY!!!!
New Bis: okie dokie...
Luigi used to be so enthusiastic, now he's just... Eh.
More in tune with Luigi's character i think, if you take the beginning of Superstar Saga for example he REALLY doesn't wanna be on these journeys, he'd rather stay home
That, along with Bowser's new lines are one of the very few thinks that really bothered me... At least at the begining, later I get used to it.
@@RobotGuy405 Well, you have a point...
JJesus Ruiz
Those new lines bothered you? It’s such an inconsequential change! I think they’re fitting.
@@newtfigton8795 Let me explain myself: it bothered me at first because I love the energetic tone they have in the original, but later I thought "well, it sort of fits for Luigi"
Fawfuls minion: "I'm certain this is the last time they will use the dream team art style"
Nintendo: *exits alpha dream with a bloody axe* "correct"
😭
actually Alphadream just went bankrupt
@@kirbylover2.038 r/woosh
The Inside Story remake is automatically messed, because it ruins "It is I who nuts to that"
Christopher Moon
No more nuts.
DEAR LORD!
...pardon?
m a x n u t
Christopher Moon you aren’t funny.
There might not even be a Partners In Time Remake because of how poorly the Bowser's Inside Stort sold and the 3DS being on its last legs.
The remake is only about 2 months old.
Plus it would be hard to make a side story
bulldog boy They could make Fawful the star of the side mode.
@@bulldogboy7209 I mean, you could put the side game from the shroobs perspective
The Cutehog Team I think the reason they did the BIS Remake first was because there were not any real DS gimmicks in Partners in Time. The only one I know is when you had to use the stylus only once and that’s it
The best way to describe BiS DX is "technically better."
I will always remember BiS DX as the game where I throw my PTSD into a canyon with a smile on my face.
To be honest though, I really thought Bowser’s Inside Story was 100% fine. I loved it the way it was and I’m not too big a fan of the new artstyle.
@@Too1998
Yep. Alpha Dream sorta rushed it. It wasn't necessary. But it seems they're not in their best times neither.
More like trading speed and difficulty for quality of life features and better controls.
@@Too1998 Yeah, i really hate the Dream team art style, it was the first thing that made me want not to buy dream team at first, and then they kept it for ... 4 game ?
I feel like Bowser looks very bad in this artstyle too
Fawfuls minion ,you are the king of the countdown, putting so much heart into a genre many half ass for views, instead perfecting it and putting your heart into maximum overdrive ,on top of communicating with your fans. You are the youtuber who got me into tf2 despite watching many other tf2 gmod videos for literal years prior ,and you are by and large my favorite youtuber to quote with my friends thanks to your poetic way with words and wacky personality. Keep up the amazing work you beautiful bean, and thanks for the years of chortles and entertainment you've given hundreds of thousands of people across the internet. I hope one day to have the same level of personality, wit , determination and hard work you put into your passion. Dont you ever stop being incredible Logan
David Hogan You just described him perfectly.
100th like for this perfect comment
3:58- “I’m certain this is the last time” oh, it’s the last time, all right. 😭😭
Maybe, the members of AlphaDream will go on to form another company that makes a new Mario RPG series as a spiritual successor to Mario & Luigi. Fan games are always a possibility as well...
I’m just glad that we actually have these remakes for the Classic Mario & Luigi games since I never actually played the original Superstar Saga and Bowser’s Inside Story but did play Partners in Time.
Next stop, Mario & Luigi on Nintendo Switch. (Please add Wario and Waluigi into the game!)
I want them as well
I agree.
Why do I see you in every comments section
This is good idea Alpha Dream please consider it.
I know how you feel exactly. I felt the same about some Gamecube games that later get Wii releases or remakes. I still recomend you to try the original BiS if you can. Let's say they are at the same time equal and different, but I'm glad you're finally able to play these games.
The lack of microphone controls in the BIS remake is indeed the best thing about it.
Makes me wish for a Zelda: Spirit Tracks remake that does away with it also.
_vietnam flashbacks to sand flute song_
@@NoahHalfSquid I could never beat the boss because of it
I personally like the bosses’ Fury effect in BIS DX.
Now Fawful can have fury!
I actually laughed out loud when Fawful got the fury status effect, best addition.
Too bad we never got a Chortles effect
>last day of spring break
>sigh
>MINION UPLOADED
>YAY
springtrap776 Ye, my spring break hasn’t started yet too :(
You guys have spring breaks?!
@@MarkiplierMeatMuncher8 right?
@@BrosClanYt where i am we get 2 weeks off
InfiniteAwesome my spring breaks hasn’t started yet lolol
We’ve had 4 games use the DT engine and yet unitonically DT is arguably still the best looking game. The dream aesthetics and fantastic world design was great especially since the remakes got rid of 3D attacks
Funny and sad at the same time. Dream team's artstyle was simply designed for 3d, and since the remakes weren't 3d and paper jam was meshed with paper, dream team ended up being the most appealing in the end.
No bis on the ds is BY FAR the best looking it’s gorgeous the DT art style is just kinda mid.
I've been excited for this for a Fawful long time.
Nice
Okay Chugga
ayyyyylmao
I still remember your top 10 bullshit's in video games...
*Why not remake that?*
Finally someone said it. The framerate and overall slowed down gameplay of the BiS Remake is annoying and make it a lot less fun to play compared to the original.
It’s weird that the BIS remake isn’t at 60 FPS... either the game had a way lower budget than superstar saga DX, or the 3D giant battles took up a lot of memory space on the game cartridge so they had to slow things down 🤷♂️
"Finally someone said it"
Hate to be mr. know-it-all, but literally everyone's said this.
@@unclegrandpagaming165 I think it was cause Alphadream was running out of money when they made this. They needed a quick cash-grab to get back on track.
That doesn't excuse it, though. They could've spent the money making a new Mario and Luigi game for the Switch instead of remakes.
@@Stinktofu0021 "I don't care/noticed it" doesn't magically remove the problem from existence. It's not about finding a reason to go 60fps, it's about finding a reason to *NOT* go 60fps. 60fps is the default and is much smoother than 30fps, especially for a game like Mario & Luigi. It's factually a problem that had no reason to happen considering Superstar Saga DX was smooth 60fps.
@@Stinktofu0021 The loading times especially take much, much longer.
"I'm certain this is the last time they'll use the Dream Team style."
Alphadream goes bankrupt.
I guess that's technically right?
16:57
Bowser chucking the Fawful Express into the pit is still the most cathartic thing I’ve seen in years.
At this point, as much as I want them to remaster PIT, I honestly want them to move on to the next main line M&L game. I want a brand new story, new characters, new abilities, new lands to explore, new music to hear. I want a *new* M&L game. Not a remaster, a new one. It'd be perfect to put it on the Switch as well.
-You're getting Paper Jam 2 and you're gonna like it-
Mario & Luigi: Sticker Star
Coming 2020
Here’s how I want Partners in Time to be remastered.
They make both versions of Princess Leach much more capable of themselves.
Like I said before, even though I find Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time to be underappreciated like its predecessor, at the same time, I could see why people might have a problem with it, that being Princess Peach (both the adult and baby version) sounding like and being token damsels.
Kieran Stark sorry but a PIT remake is impossible
TheDisguisedCreeper how's that nintendo trademarked the series so...
One think that bothers me with the remakes is a lack of a a hardmode. They added it to dream team so they showed that they can do it and it greatly boosted my enjoyment of the game.
Another thing I never got is why they didn't add badges to the superstar saga remake. If you're gonna go for the gameplay updates go in all the way I'd say.
Because badges in Superstar Saga fulfill a different role giving stat boosts and a extra ability. Also the game is easy enough without them
thank GOD they nerfed the train battle in BiS DX
i got a headache from blowing so much as a kid
Empisi9899 oh blowing into the mic SUCKS, but I’m glad they changed that.
my dirty mind is what makes me enjoy comments like these
Luckily, I played it on a emulator so I just had to modify the sound of the game and simulate the mic I literary had to do nothing to win that battle was just clicking the icon and use the punch in the mountain thing and to counterattack
;)
@@reddeath5791 Same ;)
I actually LIKE the new Super Bouncer and Magic Window, probably because I have a thing for big finishers to multi-hit attacks.
Martanis_IV the one thing that bothers me about the Magic Window is that you can’t use it indefinitely like in the original. It was an allowance for skilled players in late game, and an incentive to explore Bowser’s Castle as Mario and Luigi.
They probably changed magic window because of the lower framerate.
Yeah but magic window was amazing and fast while in the remake it was slow and bad on my recent playthrpugh of the game I was tempted not to get it but I wanted to get the beams and blocks down there
Great video, but I would have added these points
Good:
Taking a note from dream team, Bowser’s giant bosses have been added to the arena, so no longer do we have to replay the entire game to re-experience the fun giant battles (+2)
Bad:
So you can add giant battles, a fun distraction, to the gauntlet, but you didn’t even add Bowser’s main battles to the gauntlet? What the hell? I want my Dark Fawful EX goddamnit! (+2)
Why does the Dark Star EX use the normal boss theme when Antasma X from Dream Team reused the Antasma battle theme? (+1)
Bad: Why does every bros attack cost so much more points than usual in BiS DX ( +2 )
I agree with all of this except the last point, a bit too nitpicky.
Bad:Why the hell did they nerf the Magic door attack in BiS? (+2)
@@Matthew-om8cd good: because it was to broken (+2)
@@theutubepower1243 So you don't just spam one attack and call it a day with bosses
I liked Superstar Saga DX and thought Bowser's Minions was a good side story.
Bowser's Inside Story DX, meh take it or leave it. I did like Bowser Jr's Journey though.
Fawful's Minion should have covered Bowser Jr's Journey Journey a lot more than he actually did. The story is on par with the main games stories (Except for Paper Jam obviously.), which is surprising since Bowser's Minions isn't. He also did not cover music from the side stories which I think the new music from BJJ would have made him appreciate BIS's music more. It really makes me wonder if he even completed it. It only gets really good after you complete your first visit to Blubble Lake, so that makes me even more concerned with how long Fawful played it.
@@6k546 Pushing Forward in particular is soo good. I would say it's one of my favourite tracks in the whole Mario and Luigi franchise.
I’m curious how they handled superstar saga so much better than BIS.
My opinions are exactly this.
Except Bowser's Minions.
Bowser's Minions sucked.
@@6k546 wouldn't be surprised if I'm being honest. Pushing forward (wheeze) is VERY hard in that game. Bowser jr. Is still an annoying little shit for the first half, and the gameplay is simply hot garbage, even if it is improved from bowsers minions.
I’m very glad someone brought up the butchered sound bits. The two instances where I preferred the original was Bowser’s whiffed jab in his fight at the toad town hospital where I thought the grunts and tripping was exceptionally funny, and Dark Fawful’s giggles when using the suction headgear 360 attack during his fight in Peach’s castle. They are little things, but it’s those that you tend to notice the most.
Yoko’s usually hit or miss when she remixes.
But when she makes new music? GOOD LORD IS IT AWESOME.
Seriously, The final boss theme of Bowser Jr’s Journey is nothing short of amazing! Easily my second favorite song behind In the Final!
In my opinion, "Everyone, Attack!" was amazing too
BISDX's new title theme is... good, but I really wish they remade the original instead, and I absolutely HATE what they did to the minigame theme. But overall, I love the remastered BIS soundtrack!
I do not get it the minigame theme is still good.
Blessed or Messed: Luigi's Mansion 3DS Remake?
Oof now that’s a real messed right there.
It doesn’t have the same graphics and atmosphere. The original still looks great today.
JJ Slider how?
Michael 590 it still has good graphics and that same great atmosphere
theres ONE thing i find unforgivable about BiS DX
luigi's sprite doesnt dance on the level up screen.
in the original version, luigi does a fun little shuffle, in the remake, he just stands there.
You forgot about the generic Toad problem, which is a lazy problem.
Welp, maybe he doesn’t like to see what’s so bad about it, since then again, he did defend Super Mario Sunshine, Sonic Forces, Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic Lost World and most 3D Sonic games including Sonic Free Riders.
@@kieranstark7213 Or maybe, maybe, he just doesn't consider that bad enough? Or even considers that nitpicky at best?.
He mentioned how they take out the charm of the original. He mentions how things like the hammer bro and boos are homogenized
These both have my blessing, they are some of the best looking games on the system, the music is top notch, the combat is great, and they make aome improvements as well, they are by no means perfect remakes but i still love them. (Also im one of the few who legitamently enjoyed the side modes plus we got more fawful lines from them so thats a plus.)
No infinite Magic Mirror and Mario doesn’t go “Waho!” With the Head spring special attack, he does but he sounds like he’s depressed.
+15 negative
I'd actually like to see Fawful's Minion one day take on a game like Sonic & The Black Knight, Crash Twinsanity or Mega Man X8
X8 would be great. I hope this comment gets more upvotes.
I prefer both the DX versions. Though it is a real bummer that the Challenge Medal no longer makes the game harder, at least that means Bowser X won't be even more infuriating than he already is.
We need one of two: A Parthners in Time remake that fix things to the point it becomes one of the best, or a new incredible game for the switch, or better, BOTH.
Rip Paper Jam
What do you propose PiT DX "fix" that wouldn't involve a complete overhaul. As far as I understand people only moan about two things - linearity and Bros items. They could restore Bros points for the remake and get rid of the item stocking of those attacks but the linearity is fundamentally woven into the game. Keep in mind PiT is one of my favorites in the series because I don't have a pathological aversion to linearity like most gamers (who don't even seem to realize that ALL M&L games are completely linear - they just have open hub worlds to lightly disguise this fact), but they're not going to change the game's fundamental layout so what exactly did you have in mind?
Neither is going to happen
@@ThrillingDuck I don't think the linearity of PiT is that much of an issue, I like just having a straight line to go in and having fun doing it. I think the main issue is how spammable the bro's moves are and how spongy the bosses are in the late game, they could fix it by making coins more scarce so you can't just buy 50 thousand cannonballers and destroy everything, and also making beans non-renewable so fawfuls shop doesn't feel like a cheap way of cheesing the difficulty of the entire game.
@@DannyCheezits I'm on board with all of this, though I still think restoring Bros Points would work a little better than money scarcity personally. Not that it seems likely PiT DX is ever gonna happen now anyway with Alpha Dream out of commission :(
Never clicked on anything faster in my damned life.
Brandon Green lol same
These 2 are an automatic blessed from me, I absolutely love how they updated them, especially BISDX.
And that's coming from someone who's favorite game ever is BIS, but God damn did the remake blow me away.
anyone else find that they gave Bowser cheese is a pretty cool idea, I mean, he does not look like a guy who drinks syrup.
Yeah, that's a pretty awesome detail they added.
Cheese go well with drumsticks
I got a 2DS last Saturday and played Mario and Luigi Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions, and it is amazing, I'm almost at the end of the game! After I finish it, I'm gonna play Bowser's Minions Mode! Then when I'm finish the game, I'm gonna get and play Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr's Journey!
also I didn't see much slow down on M & L BiS, maybe because I played on a new 3ds and they optimized it for the new 3ds and its better processing power
maybe
bluemario610 I’ve a new 3ds too and I still find the game to be quite sluggish at times though
BiS DX definitely runs smoother on a new 3DS compared to a classic 3DS. Although it still chugs at points (giant battles mostly)
I gotta say, I love how the intro has that part where it rhymes, and the way you talk, its almost cartoonish! Great work!
Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions: Blessed.
Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr's Journey: Messed.
Blessed or Messed: Paper Mario: Color Splash. Is it as messed as Sticker Star or is it in the range of Blessed of M&L: Paper Jam? Seriously, I'm still waiting on that episode...
Zebanyan Deluxe it's not that bad you guys are acting like its the worst m&l game ever when that goes to paper jam
Dark Bowser Koopa nah I prefer paper jam over bowsers inside story remake
Kyle / DEA187MDKjr the story is the same though atleast bis dx has a good story and a good side story like the original bis paper jam isn't a bad game but it also isnt a good game id say it's a 6/10
@@DarkFawful Also, the part that sickens me is how some Paper Mario fans are clamoring that AlphaDream's bankruptcy means Paper Mario will go back to it's roots.
Dude, just, no.
I'm personally not a fan of the remasters. Dream Team's new graphics were great, but seeing the same models, voice clips and general sound design over and over and over again just gets... boring. I actually prefer the more pixelated look of the older games
I am a fan of the graphics myself, however they shouldn't have reused as many sprites as they did. Toads have never looked more plain and boring (Even the 2 latest paper mario games had more expressiveness than this), they could have done with more exaggeration like they did with the remastered sprites for Popple and Cackletta, and they could have maybe done something with the colors, such as making some things more vibrant.
Overall, I'd say that they could have done better. I am not tired of the graphics, just dont want them reusing the same sprites over and over again. Atleast give the same sprites some new animations, like with Mario and Luigi's battle animations.
They have steadily gotten better every game to the point that they barely even look like the Dream Team models anymore, besides, why fix what isn’t broken?
@@hyperdrive282 Exactly. Although a little change my be good, why waste all the effort they put into making the sprites in the first place? Dream Team took so long to develope mostly because of the sprite work alone. If I spent that long on valuable assets for games, I would want to use them more often too.
Just a correction: Dream Team and beyond still uses *sprites* for the characters, only using models during Giant/Papercraft battles
The next Mario and Luigi rpg need to take notes from Cuphead. A beautiful Cartoon graphics that homage the original Pixel artstyle of the first three games.
"I'm certain that it's the last time they'll use dream team's art style"
Ouch.
7:57 I found that instead of having to blow into the mic, you could just rub your finger over it really fast. It makes a similar sound and confuses the mic, giving you an excellent almost every time. And you don’t end up looking like an idiot if your playing in public. Try this out next time you go back and play this game.
Hmm I might try that as I'm expecting the game to come tomorrow in the mail
Thanks
I haven't gotten the remakes yet, but I'm excited to!
But I'm still sad there's no Partners in time remake... That was my first ever Mario RPG.
I haven't played the remakes but JESUS WHY DOES BOWSER LOOK SO MUCH SCARIER I LOVE IT
For me:
Superstar saga DX is better
Bowser’s Inside Story original is better
Nicholas Ali HORAY
For me: Superstar saga DX is better
Bowser's inside story DX is equal to the og.
On my 3ds I play ss dx and bis NOT dx
My thoughts exactly. They should have made a remake of Partners in Time. They knew the mistakes they made in this game, so why did they had to ignore it and make a remake of a game that was already successful?
I like SSDX, but the Bowser's Minions section actually managed to piss me off.
I haven't played BISDX yet (at the time I send this reply), but I do hope the BJJ section is better than Bowser's Minions. And before I get replies saying that I'm not missing anything, I've already seen all the cutscenes. I'm testing the GAMEPLAY.
You know I think the problem with the art direction in these remakes isn’t the the sprite work itself. It looks great. It’s that it just doesn’t look as good as in a 2d game. Dream team had these 2d sprites in a 3D plane most of the time, along with the battles. Since the remakes are of a game that was originally 2d, they just weren’t meant for a 2d overworld. And I’m not saying the overworld is literally only left and right, but the overworld in dream team was *actual* 3D models. It was an actual 3D game.
My favorite DS game of all time is actually Partners in Time. I just love how you can control two sets of characters at the same time, and the battle system is just awesome. Sucks that its the one game they didn't make a remake of. But maybe its a dodged bullet...
"Felt like they made a magic marker mustache on the original"
Is that a SML reference?
Even tho partners in time was the first one I played I still love the original
I AM GOD Chris Benton ... what?
I AM GOD Chris Benton what original?
I don't get it
@@vaccuumhelmet521 pretty sure he means the original m&l game, superstar saga
Blank Name ok.
I honestly prefer the remakes of the two without a shadow of a doubt.
Edit: ...mmmeeh
well, I feel like SS DX was great because it brought Superstar Saga to a newer platform, so that people who hadn't played the original could play it... BIS DX just, releases on pretty much the same platform... I must say that I haven't played DX, but I just don't feel like the sprites give off as much "charm" as the original ones...
Bowser also lost most of his charm in the DX... making him more like "angry evil bad guy" other than "slightly less evil bad guy who isn't really a bad guy for now" just... the change in design kinda is... ugly? I suppose...
The super star saga remake booted out Geno , it's MESSED by default .
@sneaselxriolu How's that going to help?
What?
sneaselxriolu Game Freak is the company who made Pokémon. Alpha Dream made M&L, Square made Geno
Geno is overrated!
@@newtfigton8795 Tbh, he kinda is.
Worst part is that the BiS remake was pointless. You could literally play the DS game on the 3DS for which the remake was made.
I’ve never seen another CZcamsr put so much effort into videos like this, I won’t regret buying the remakes because of this
Perhaps the reason why BIS DX was messed us because they were near bankruptcy. Like they are now
3:57 it is the last time :(
"It reminds me of Lion King 1/2 only...good."
Excuse me?
I’m not the only one who thought of the lion king and a half when I saw these side modes!?!? They really are quite similar.
Alright, let me be frank. I ain't never click on notifications or put time aside in my day for CZcams...unless it's the whimsical Fawful's "Logan" Minion. Every video you make is a gold mine for me, and you have...honestly inspired the humor I love to give out (which I would classify as "what the hell am I saying?" Humor). Keep up the amazing work, Logan, I'll continue being excited for your videos.
Speaking as someone who played both superstar saga and bowsers inside story on release, based on what you said these remasters seem to serve as more than serviceable introductions to games a lot of people probably missed. Here’s hoping a new game with a new art style comes to the switch
I actually never had any lag issues for BIS DX. Also I wonder what he thinks about the bowser Jr's journey's battle theme, boss battle theme, and final boss battle theme.
Mario & luigi superstar saga dx is awsome! But bis dx is kinda nah.
How dare you
I have to say that between ups and downs I equally like both remake and original. I hope the did better with the remake, but I'm not dissapointed.
I'm taking about BiS, SS DX is amazing.
Joel Blake It’s his opinion. Leave him alone
Buzzy Trombone
Do you feel attacked or something? Let Joel have HIS opinion. We all have the same voice here.
This is why i subscribed years ago great job @fawful's Minion
Too be honest, Fawful Express and Junker were really hard in OG BIS
3:58 'i'm certain this is the last time.'
Was this a forshadowing of alphadream going bankrupt?
Erny Purny :(
😢
I'm surprised you didn't mention the fact *they nerfed Magic Window*
I was so excited about this video, thank you.
I actually found the remakes overall more difficult than the originals. I feel like I'm the only one with this opinion.
Personally, I enjoyed both of the remakes, even the side games were fun. They fixed the problems that both the originals had.
Here's hoping that they eventually remake Partners in Time, even if it's for the Switch
Or even a new game, I'm all for that too!
I'm thinking then reason they didn't make a PIT remake was because they are making a new game on switch, and that they wanted to get out these remakes before this new game is announced.(just a personal theory though)
I personally think that both soundtracks of BiS are on equal footing, also if the M&L games on 3DS looked this good i can't wait to see how they look on the Switch
Great video as always, Logan! Never fail to impress and amaze! Keep being awesome, dude!!
"Well, A, I'm sure that's the last time..."
He was right in all the wrong ways.
Maybe do a play through of them? I think it'd be a nice consistent thing between other vids and would be funny in general. Also, we NEED the next Star wars prequel blessed or messed.
YEAH! This was a long time coming!
I just now discovered your channel and I am blown away. I played Bowser's Inside Story to death when it came out for the DS and wont get it for the 3DS. But the other one.. oh boy, you really hyped me up! I need to play it!!!!!!
Great video, I appreciate the quality of your work. I haven't played Bowser's inside story Deluxe but I might just give it a shot now. Keep up the awesome work
I don't have an opinion on the BiS remake since I haven't played it but I do enjoy the SS remake~
The only complaint I have is that they took away the ability to switch which bro is first
I know the later games didn't have that but it really irks me that they didn't keep it, I liked having Luigi lead damn it!
I still want a Partner's In time remake.
Once again a great video. I swear, you hopped through time and swallowed some famous writer dude to Kirby his literature skills. And your voice is awesome. You could read a school textbook and your voice would have me engaged.
When I first played Superstar Saga 3DS, I liked it a lot, but over time I've changed my opinion. The original just sticks in my mind way more, and also I thought the changes to the overworld and battle mechanics did nothing but dumb everything down. Bowser's Minions was fun as bonus exposition, but not really fun as a game. The only thing I think was a definitive across the board upgrade was the music.
I don't really understand the hate towards Dream Team's graphics. They seem okay to me. I'd say they're more improved for 3D, than pixel sprites.
and your probably right but I think Bowser look better in the original games
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Definitely NOT better in the original Superstar Saga though. That one was weird.
Actually, the graphics in the remakes ARE pixel sprites. Just extremely detailed.
@@andrewcosmicanimations8709 Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say.
Ahh. Thought you were saying they were 3d model sprites.
The Inside Story remake sucks cause it keeps trying to push Koopalings not being Bowser's Kids, a terrible canon that i refuse to accept.
Also the BFF's in Junior's Journey are supposed to be the same race as Midbus, wtf?
I want more Midbus in general cause hes cool and feels like a real rival for Bowser, but thats stupid.
That's only in the side story not in the main game though.
I currently am playing RPG3 remake and it is pretty awesome. I played the 1st remake, and it was freaking great. I loved it.
You forgot to mention that psycho Kamek isn't in the remake, and neither is Geno.
Which version do I prefer? Well...uh...I guess I sort of prefer...the original, because of a few reasons you didn't mention. The DX replaced a lot of characters like Psycho Kamek and Mecha Chomp and all those different Toads in Fungitown. It also left out too much from the originals; There isn't a single cameo of Wario or DK or any other Nintendo series anywhere (They really must be that stubborn not to let Wario Land back.). For the giant battles, to me Bowser wasn't that huge like he was in the original. Last but not least, the side stories for Captain Goomba and Bowser Jr. didn't exactly make sense. For example, Poison Mushrooms don't cause Bean Fever. Oh, and Bowser Jr.'s Journey was beginning to look more like that horrible Paper Jam. I'm convinced Mario & Luigi is ruined just like Paper Mario still is. I'm convinced Nintendo has run out of ideas for both of those Mario spinoffs, for what could possibly come after Paper Jam? I'm sorry, but that's what I think of them now. 😔
Graphics: Obviously better
Music: Depends on how you feel. I think for Superstar Saga, the music was improved on, except for Teehee Valley. For BIS, it was just improved on.
Gameplay: Again, depends on how you feel. I feel like it was improved on.
Difficulty: Superstar Saga DX was harder. BIS felt the same.
I feel the same
Fawful's minions this review was great and I can definitely see the time and energy you put into these videos 👍. I personally LOVED BIS and SS originally and you made me now think about trying the remakes 😁. Here's hopping for Mario and Luigi 6 👍👍
Sweet! A new Fawful vid to watch ten thousand times and memorize word for word!
Yeah, I say lines along with Fawful in his vids, what of it?
Here after AlphaDream being filed for bankrupcy.
They should've kept the Mario & Luigi games in pixelart style :3
the dream team style is pixel art just search the sprites in google and zoom in
I prefer the originals based on their styles. The first three games had a very distinct style each looking better than the next, then Dream Team comes along and overrides the old style, which in my mind defined the Mario & Luigi series, since every rendition before had the previous style. I think it wouldn't have been difficult for Nintendo to have made Dream Team with the older style with the dark borders around characters and enemies whilst still improving the graphics, but changing the entire style I feel was a huge mistake.
I never played SSS or the DX version. But BIS is my all time favorite RPG. And I completely agree with everything you’ve said. At first I thought it was my bad habit of being over leveled. But the remake really is a lot easier. So yeah lots of quality of life stuff was given by trading speed and difficulty. But it’s still pretty good nonetheless.
Edit: Also I was really bothered by the voice changes until I realized. “Oh yeah they’ve had these new voices since Dream Team... so why am I complaining about them now”?
Superstar Saga Remaster was Definately needed. The Inside story not so much
Agreed. And Partners in Time should've gotten the most remake treatment. Not Bowser's Inside Story.
I can say, without a single doubt in my mind, that both of these wonderful remakes are BLESSED to the core! So glad they remade these great games. It’s sad they’re getting so much hate.
I agree, I own both of these Remakes and they are AWESOME :)
bro I love the REMAKES i think there great. I love Fawful has his own battle theme (even tho it’s Cackletta theme) I love the Dark Star and Dark Fawful themes :)
Honestly, I feel like that a Bowser's inside story remake was uncalled-for and too early. Not only does the original game came out nearly a decade ago, (9 years AFTER when the DX released), the original game was also backwards compatible with the 3DS. I think the only reason we have remakes on the classic games is because after paper jam, the sales didn't meet expectations and they didn't want to go bankrupt, so they remade the "golden games" that sold well years ago. Too bad that Superstar Saga DX sold 500k and Bowser's Inside Story sold 34k (In Japan.)
One thing I can't get over is the new EXCELLENT sounds effect. I know it'd be hard to perfectly recreate the DS sound font, but I'd rather just put dream teams