Royal Marine Reacts To This is America's C-RAM Weapon System
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My man's first knee jerk reaction was to buy kombucha and Warhammer hahaha. What an absolute king
You are god damn right. Haha! Pinning this 😂
I would also buy so many books…
I paused on the last Total War on Warhammer. What should I buy instead of a C-Ram to keep my household happy?
They ARE on SHIPS....Stupid!
The crams dome is filled with water radar is mounted on the side ik they said it was air cooled bc the gun is but the cram system does both I believe it's air an water cooled bc it stays basically stationary an doesnt have the air it would on a fighter jet to cool it down fast enough an if i was the us military id be building a southern wall an mounting these ontop
The rounds are made to self destruct after a certain distance to protect from casualties on the ground from falling bullets
yea this.
@@Tripskiii Only the ground based systems. When over water, we just let it yeet the whole dam way.
idk they all use the same bullets shurg@@mattnsac
They actually don't. They 're the same cartridge but there are many different projectiles that can be used. To quote "Whereas naval Phalanx systems fire tungsten armor-piercing rounds, the C-RAM uses the 20-mm HEIT-SD (High-Explosive Incendiary Tracer, Self-Destruct) ammunition" @@Tripskiii
@@Tripskiii No they dont. CIWS doesnt use the self destructing rounds. When you see the ground system, youll see the rounds blow up like fireworks after about 6 secs while the marine system just shoots ball ammo. They use the self exploding shit over land so you dont get spent rounds falling on populated areas by the hundreds or thousands.
We have the same thing in the Navy called CIWS, or as sailors call them R2-FU
Fun fact the red tracer rounds are every 5th round
No for this system each round is a tracer.
I’m sure the system has been updated but it’s not a new solution. We had this on ships back in the 80s! (Cold War sailor, OTA3, 1983-88).
No it's R2-D2 with a big penis
We nicknamed ours R2-Destroy
😂😂😂 SN on a LSD 2020-2022 our control room for the aft facing CIWS had a hole in the roof……🤦♂️ the forward CIWS above the Bridge 0-7 didn’t work 😂😂😂😂
You know he has been Americanized when he says "i should have put one of these on the top of my school bus"
Yes sir, welcome to American. Y'all come back anytime.
Hardy har har.
I remember seeing one of these painted to look like a minion, which looked so wrong on so many levels. 🤣
But accurate too.
Hah! That'd be awesome to see. Didn't take long to find a pic of it on reddit. Pretty funny.
FOB ‘Freedom’ in Helmand. It’s still there.
It was tracking that plane on its own.
You are welcome,l from one of the General Dynamics Pomona Branch Production Team of the FIRST 300 PHALANX CIWS in 1093! I was a Microwave Technician there, then. To see this current modification of the PHALANX, makes me proud to have been part of that history.
The guns intrusive thoughts; "Oh look, a civilian airliner"
Thankfully it doesn't let its intrusive thoughts win.
Malaysian flight?
@@roushstge2theres a video i seen awhile ago. where it almost did. had to be shut down
R2-D2 with a hardon. There was a story during Desert Storm that a Iraq fighter had penetrated the air space over the ocean to launch a anti-ship missile at one of the Navy's ships. When the fighter got close enough CIWS locked on and fired three short bursts. The first destroyed the fighter fuselage, and the subsequent two bursts took care of the disembodied wings.
It will continue to fire at the largest piece of wreckage until it isn’t inbound.
I liked the “disembodied wings.”
Well that story doesn't make sense. If an Iraqi fighter is going to shoot an anti ship missile at one of our ships it is NOT going to do it from within the range of the CIWS. At that range the missile won't even have armed itself yet. Anti ship missiles have huge ranges. Well beyond the range of CIWS.
I hear a new D-ram will have a fix, and will not come with intrusive thoughts, to reduce civilian casualties.
When the next word starts with a vowel, use AN. Not A.
I was an operator of the ciws in the navy and will say that all fliers were afraid of that gun. They were always making sure that air ready was locked out when flying around. That system is probably the best close in defense you can have.
Don't say how much but it can eliminate much more than 5 threats before needing to reload. right?
@borttorbbq2556 can neither confirm nor deny but when I asked a veteran they said that thing could take down a lot of planes due to its targeting system
@@kdoge1387
Well……it doesn’t have crazy range compared to a incoming missile or rocket past 10 nautical miles…..I use this as a reference because you can only see out to 8-10 nautical miles at sea.
also there’s SeaRam. Pray that SeaRam works……..that might save you but you wouldn’t know this being a civilian but on these old ships especially one like mine it was slated to be decommissioned but trump denied it to keep the numbers of “combat ships” up, mind you my ship was green side navy, a transport ship for marines but these are still “combat ships”
Ships that get put on decom get taken off the maintenance list…….so if they get denied guess what your left with? it’s a rhetorical question but you have to worry about your engineering Dept more than anything because you won’t see the news talk about the ancient ships like mine that has many issues and we still went out to sea.
Ours propeller had a issue, we could only go 8 knots because we had whole engine shaft issues etc etc……us navy sucks……besides the submarines and the Aircraft Carriers are big obvious punching bags waiting to be used.
@@borttorbbq2556
Given the age of the US navy and from my own experience from 2020-2022, the ships themselves are more likely to give out before seeing real combat but…..CIWS won’t save you, SeaRam I would say is way better for what you would expect being long range threats. (FC)s work on both SeaRam and CIWS, they are in the same DEPT with (GM)s.
Edit: LCS class have a CIWS/SeaRam combination where it shoots rockets Uber dubber fast similar to the bullets of a normal size CIWS.
@@kdoge1387 that tells me plenty thank you
Legend is that when they originally tested the weapon for fielding, they targeted towed drones. It was said that once the cwis destroyed the target drone, it would start following the tow rope towards the towing aircraft. And having lived under 2 for a year, they are louder than you think.
The CWIS targets steady bearing decreasing range. Once the towing aircraft is past the CIWS it's increasing range and so won't be targeted. During tests after flying past the CIWS the towing aircraft calls out "Mark on top" and the CIWS is turned onto auto mode. At this point it will track and fired at the towed target which is still approaching at that point.
In 1996 during RIMPAC a Japanese ship shot down the tow plane, which was an American A6 Intruder.
@@richdurbin6146I'm just surprised the plane that is towing the targets can even get off the ground due to the size of the pilots balls.
3:33 as if it was doing it on its own! It WAS doing it on its own lol
It's funny and a little scary watching videos of it look up at civilian commercial aircraft and follow it for a minute before it disengages and stops tracking it all on it's own
Right? He saw a guy hit a test fore button and assumed it's all man controlled. It's 100% automatic.
That barrel shaped thing on top contains a radar. It fires at 6,000 rounds per minute.
Thank You, saved me some typing.
Unless there has been a change (very possible) While the gun is quite capable of 6000 r/m(That is what it is typically set at on fighter jets) the model of CIWS that the CRAM is based off of fired 4500 r/m. The earliest CIWS fired at 3000. A mere 50 rounds per second.
The rounds are set to explode a certain distance from the target so you don’t get rounds hitting villages 10 miles down range 🙂 , Ratheon already hs a laser based system in use with the US military to combat the threat cap and ammo limit. One of my favorite videos!!! There’s HOURS of ACTUAL combat footage interception at US bases on CZcams and it’s amazing!
The Navy CWIS does not have exploding projectiles, they are 20mm tungsten armor piercers. The Army C-RAM does use 20mm high explosive incendiary self-destructing tracers that explode when either the tracer material is burned off or at about 2,000 meters.
I understand that it used to be that lasers were too easy to armor against.
I wonder what the state of that tech is now.
3:05 "... used since 1959." If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Which may explain why the Navy kept me!
It's said, when this gun fires, it's like a machine that shoots out a railroad rail of concentrated metal.
And the neat thing is the navy is experimenting with replacing their CWIZ'S with the phalanx Directed Energy point defense system which as long as you can keep power going to it, has unlimited ammo since its a laser.
CIWS not CWIZ.
They're not "experimenting" anymore. They're out there on the latest ships, but not as a testbed pathfinder program. They pair well with Aegis, and make up a good layer of their air defense system now. These are also being put out on the ground, both as M-SHORAD and L-SHORAD on Strykers.
1:38 The ship version is called CIWS - Close In Weapon System. The last line of defense for a Navy ship against missile attack. CIWS does not engage until the target is within 2 miles. I was a CIWS tech in the late 90s on a Frigate. The dome contains both search and tracking radar. It not only tracks the target, but its own outbound 20mm rounds, tracking the fire into the target.
Thank you for your service, and for maintaining this awesome weapon system. I'm sure you kept your R2-D-stroy happy and healthy. :D
@@tearstoneactual9773 actually... after 2 years of extensive training on the system at a ridiculous cost to the taxpayers... the Navy felt I was most mission critical serving slop in the mess hall for most of my service
When my dad was on the USS New Jersey, he would frequently talk about the seawiz and how awesome it was. This was in late 80's early 90's. I was 11ish and he would send home home made VHS camcorder videos of these, along with several "copies" of not out in theaters yet movies. I got to see Who Framed Roger Rabbit before it was in theaters (remember late 80's/early 90's before the internet).
It's CIWS but it does sound the same.
The is the phalanx ciws will shoot anything larger than a 6 inch. In the Navy, after it destroys the target towed behind a plane, it will cut off 6 inch sections of the cable that was towing the target until the weapon system is shut down.
You can't really measure size via radar (or with your eyes your brain just compares the object with reference points. Try shooting at a distant target over water with a rifle. You will undershoot almost every time. Waves make terrible reference points.) It's actually more impressive. That is probably a standard 1/4" steel cable being towed at around 200 knots. It blows away the biggest return (the target) and then still sees this 1/4" cable that is still withing targeting parameters and starts walking it's shots up the cable. Not only can it see that 1/4" cable it can hit it while it's moving at 200 knots or so. It can also hit your towing plane if you are careful, ask Japan about that one. They activated the CIWS before the towing craft was overhead. CIWS say two inbounds and took the closest one. I believe it was a JDF F-18. IIRC plane was lost, pilot survived.
@Snipergoat1 thanks for clarifying and giving a more detailed explanation. My knowledge of the system is second-hand from a sailor wo was on the USS JFK in the mid to late 90s. My description of the system was as he told it to me. I agree, your description of the system is much more impressive. The radar on the system is so detailed that it sees and targets a 1/4" inch cable, shooting off sections up to the tow plane, should impress everyone. I'm going to look up the Japanese incident with the CWIS. Thanks again for the information. I'll change my description of the system in the future.
theres few videos taken by guys on ships recording these locking onto passenger planes not firing just tracking
These guns were used in Vietnam on aircraft supporting ground troops. One such plane was called, Puff the Magic Dragon!
If you're talking about the A-10, or warthog, that's a different gun. That's a GAU-8. Shoots bigger rounds than these.
@@roushstge2 He is talking about the AC-130, not the A-10
The M-61 Is pretty much the go to gun for rapid fire light armored vehicle destruction. It's one of those designs that just worked. That is why it has been scaled up and down. This is the "gun" that "minigun" came from. It is also the pattern that the GAU 8 was made from. Sometimes the military will spend millions or billions tweaking something that never works quite right. Other times they make something that does it's job so well it remains essentially unchanged for 70+ years.
Look at the F-15 while it's electronics and avionics have gone though several generations of improvements, the body and shape, despite us having far more sophisticated tools for modeling potential changes has remain essentially the same for 50 years. Those engineers with their slide rules had made something that ,for its job, has not been improved upon no matter how much computer processing power we throw at it.
The AC-47 was the first "Puff the Magic Dragon" with smaller 7.62mm guns.
I saw first-hand what you joked about at 9:05. Was stationed on the USS George Washington (CVN-73) in the Mediterranean Sea back in 95-96 standing fantail watch when me and the other watch spotted a fighter jet coming our way. Called it in to the Bridge and was told it was a French fighter with permission to do a low altitude fly-by. Problem is no notified the Fire Control crews who were in the middle of performing a dry fire test on the CIWS systems. When the French fighter hit the magic distance the CIWS 20 ft above my head started to spin-up and I dropped to the deck in the fetial position. The last I saw of the fighter jet was him making a hard banking left turn away from us. Shortly after the FC guys came pouring out of their control rooms trying to figure out what had happened. FYI the FC guys had the 4 CIWS's set to independent targeting and the French fighter triggered 3 of the units in line of sight of his location (1 port side forward and both on the aft)
They should paint those things on top like a yellow minion holding the Gatling gun. lol
Or R2D2 🤣
@@Austin_Wingfieldevery time I see one, R2D2 mounted on the top of an x-wing is the first thing that comes to mind 😂
They've done both. You can Google it. There's minion paint jobs and R2-D2 versions.
No they should not then it would be stuipd and no one could take it seriously
They do track completely on their own.
This is the land based version of the Navy's Close in Weapons System or CWIS. The large barrel on the top is for the guidance system for the gun. The rate of fire is between 3,500 and 5,000 rounds per minute.
That would be CIWS. Common mistake from people hearing it as CWIS/seawiz all the time.
The rounds are exploding in the air, "fancy piece of pyrotechnics" is a very accurate descriptor of what this thing is like when it doesn't hit a target.
the big barrel on top is the radar system.
Try being a Marine on ship trying to sleep while they test the CWIS. I shit my pants.
I got used to it in Iraq when I babysat those things
The 20mm vulcan has been used in F100 supersabers, F101 Voodoo, M105 Thunderchief, M106 Delta Dart, A7 Corsair, F4 Phantom, FB111 Aardvark, F14, F1`5, F16, F/A18, the AC119, AC130, AH1 cobra attack helicopter also in a universal aircraft gun pod for under wing , In addition to the various antiaircragt ground and ship versions.
The AH-1 version they removed 3 barrels to slow the rate of fire. Can only holds 750 rounds.
Vietnam era cobras had the mini guns as a optional under wing gun pod, the chin gun turret could have either or both in each slot ( There were two) was a 7.62 mini gun and a 40mm grenade launcher, I am pretty sure there were also 7.62 minigun pods for underwing stations as well. I am not sure how prevalent the 20mm mini guns were due to low ammo count and it apparently pushed the bird around a good bit. The later cobras got a three barreled cannon in the chin later.
My late father, retired CWO-4 Navy had aquired his Chief Engineers License through the US Coast Guard right after retiring from the Navy. He then started working for NASSCO in San Diego, California (back in 1981) as a test engineer, going out on sea trials for upgraded and new ships both for Navy and civilian. He told me about these guns and they would sometimes test them out at sea. He said it looks like a long pole being waved back and forth across the ocean and curving downward way out there. If I remember correctly I think he said it shoots about 3000 bullets a minute! They nicknamed them R2-D2 from the Star Wars robot character. However, it would be pretty cool to paint one up looking like Homer Simpson! LMAO 😅😂
Yep, pretty proud of my dad. Learned a lot about Navy ships and how incredibly massive everything is on them. He was one of two people that held an unlimited vessel length and horsepower Chief Engineers License in San Diego County at the time. I think it's the highest and hardest license to be achieved from the US Coast Guard. 👍
I think it's actually more like 5000 rounds a min.
@roushstge2 You could be right, my information is outdated and just going by what my late father had said. I may not have been listening well too! LOL 🤣
I do remember him saying it was like waving a pole around across the ocean! The bullets are so close together. I think there's a total of 7 barrels. 6 in a circle and the 7th in the center. I think they were .50 cal. However, it appears that they made them in different calibers from reading the comments on these guns. I've seen 20 mm talked about with these guns. I figure .50 cal is a 1/2-inch diameter bullet. Then I read about tank guns and the caliber has to do with barrel length and the inside diameter. 🤷😂🤣
That crackle in the background is the fuzing on the rounds "Timing out" and self destructing.
I worked on these systems for about 20 years in the United States Coast Guard. In 2003, our CIWS mount was in AAW Manual mode for 65 days straight while in the Northern Arabian Gulf. Nice Video!!!!
Lasers are going to replace these. They've already been in development for a long time.
There's gonna be a purpose for all weapons, Lasers arent gonna be the end all be all to warfare.
Not going to. ARE. M-SHORAD and L-SHORAD are already in the field on Strikers for active duty, not testing in pilot programs anymore. And they're on several missile boats, and pair well with Aegis.
Basically for Radar, the higher the frequency, the smaller the target they can detect, with better resolution.
There is a smaller infantry version that is a set and forget. Look into that one. 😂😂 The rounds explode after a time. 😂
Those rounds have a timed fuse on them where if they don't hit something, they explode.
Royal Navy Frigates had a version of this weapon in 1982 in the Falklands
want to talk about adaptability, look at the .50 cal machine gun aka the Browning machine gun. That gun has been around for over 100 years and still a very feared and dangerous gun today.
The closed loop tracking and targeting system is both a strength and a weakness of the system however. On the one hand, it prevents anyone from just hacking it's targeting systems without physically plugging into the system. Since there is no way to access it remotely. But that also means that if something in the system happens to glitch out, you will have to warn everyone away from the area while you physically plug into the system and fix the problem too. But it is what it is. Better to have it that way, then not these days.
Got to visit to the Battleship Wisconsin in the mid 80's when it was being refitted in the Philadelphia Naval Yard. All access except engineering spaces (they were working there at the time). The Philadelphia Navy yard is a little north of Philadelphia International Airport and along the incoming flight path. Was speaking with a crewman by the Phalanx system. It was on (not loaded) and jerking around like crazy. Asked him what was going on and he said it was tracking each passing plane, staying on target long enough to theoretically kill it and then moving to the next. Knowing that, you could actually see that they were not jerky movements at all but exactly what he said, target, track, and move to the next. He even pointed to the "kill" switch that would allow it to fire in actual combat. Really fantastic system.
The whole point defense suite that the US employs for land and sea based applications is awe inspiring.
i was a tech from 92-96 on these. that firing never gets old...and if you are bracing yourself, the continuous concussion will push you backwards immediately.
good stuff. =)
The first time I encountered the cwis (seawis) I seen it on the ship I was attached to while in the U.S. Navy. I was in the main space while underway just chatting with fellow sailors when I heard what sounded like a chain rattling against the hull of the ship. I asked what that noise was and one of the guys said "target practice with the cwis".
8:45
not just frend or foe it also detects if a rocket is actually going to hit its defense zone and will ignore rockets that are going to miss.
Also the CWIS/CRAM aren't the primary anti air system, its not even the navy's primary anti missile system, that goes to the evolved sea sparrow missile system
While in the US Navy abroad an FFG, I watched a CIWS in action from aft lookout. Not only did it sever the cable of the target that was being towed, the target was so full of holes it sank in less than a minute.
You should see the video of a Phalanx tracking a airliner lol, the sailor kept saying "No no bad phalanx, No" like it was a puppy misbehaving lol
The rounds are designed to have a fuse timer that automatically detonates them into negligible fragments should they not impact any targets beforehand. Those were the bright impacts you saw beforehand. Some don't have visible detonations either. It depends on the ammo type used, and type of tracers I believe.
The type of cannon is of the same variety of guns as is on the A10 Thunderbird (Warthog). Just think of the capabilities of the minigun, and size them up to par
not quite, C-ram uses a 6 barrel M-61 Vulcan 20mm gatling cannon. the A-10 Uses a much larger, 7 barrel GAU-8 Avenger 30mm Gatling cannon.
@@Knightfang1 Alrighty then. Nice to know, thank you!
I used to be project lead at Lockheed Martin. U wouldn't believe the stuff we produce. Especially through Lockheed Skunk Works. Out of this world, literally
So if you don't really know already. This was actually on the small battleships in the movie called battleship recently with the aliens that attacked.
That was CIWS, but yes. They also showed it on Under Siege back in the 90's, as well as a version of it on Hunter Killer, though I believe that was a Russian version? I'd have to go back and watch.
"Where are they going?" the ammo explodes as a set range. That is all the explosions you see going off. This helps reduce the worry of stray ammo and also assists in destroying the threat.
You should see the video of one of the ship based versions tracking a civilian air plane without cause, it's crazy!
They track everything within range. It's only when something gets close that it will swivel to look.
The C-RAM is almost like a laser beam with the tracers, thing is an absolutely accurate, 😮💨
The rounds self-destruct and the spinning barrels help cool them somewhat. Everything has it pros and cons. Shooting a $2,000 drone with $6,000 worth rounds is one. Thanks for sharing.
So about the C-RAM, the rounds you see are incendiary explosive tracers. They are designed to travel like 2000 meters or something like that and then explode. So the sparkles you see at the end of the trails are the rounds detonating. The idea is by doing so, the rounds come down as "harmless" debris. A side benefit is that you can see every round in flight. I still wouldn't want to be down range on the ground. Getting sprinkled with very hot metal.
I work for the company that makes the infrared camrea that this system uses , the big barrel you see on top houses all the electronics that system uses
I think L3 (Brashear originally) in Pittsburg did much of that work. We made the large "diver's helmet" looking castings that housed the IR camera.
The white dome is a radar. It tracks the target and its own outgoing rounds and brings them together.
The number of times these have shot down towable drones (simulates various types of missile threat) then started climbing the tow cable towards to tow plane is likely innumerable. Hearing the pilot calling break engage over the radio is the most uniquely satisfying but terrifying thing the operator does in a days work.
If you're one of the pilots that had the gazingas (or maybe drew the short straw?) 😊to fly those missions hats off to you.
The clean up and involved afterwards is probably one of the most tedious, worst jobs in the seagoing services, second primarily to those that had to repair the plumbing after a bad night's chow.
Three things:
1. You said to imagine what you could do with 10 to 15 million dollars. Evaluate against what was actual bought. Namely sailors (and eventually Soldiers) NOT killed by incoming ordinance.
2. "Perceived" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. The numbers quoted are the "official" numbers. "Up to 5 seconds" to acquire a target depends on radar, which might take time to determine if that small object that just came over the horizon is worth shooting at now, or if it should shoot at something else first. Way back when, I was in a helicopter orbiting the ship when someone messed up mistook a description by the pilot as a release order or something, and activated tracking on one. It was not released for fire, but it "acquired" us faster than I could turn my head to look at it. Very educational Midshipman cruise.
3. Again, perceived weakness. The ground version has less ammo in one engagement, which might explain how long it took to make one, but to surpass it in one engagement would bankrupt a good share of militaries. Even if you do, overlapping fire has you covered. Notice the ground based video always had multiple guns? They don't work alone, they are a system. Pretty sure you are not gonna drain 4 of these before ground support planes turn the enemy launch sites into uninhabited land through enemy retreat or defeat.
I had the luxury of stopping in at AFB Anaconda (Balad Air Base) for a few days in 2006 during OIF IV. I was on one of the taxi buses one night traveling on the perimeter road. Never had I even heard of a Vulcan, until opened up about 20 yards away from us and spit fire across the sky. Truly, it was a noise to end all noises. Only when the rest of the bus started laughing at me did I start to understand what it was. Both beautiful and terrifying to behold, like some sort of angry god.
The Navy has them on their ships. We called them C-WIZ. When they used to dry fire test them on the surface ships in Hawaii, it would scare the poop out of you if you didn't know it was coming.
In the old days it was programmed to only identify incoming things as a threat. So once the aircraft is going away it stopped tracking it.
i was on a battleship once where my brother was stationed. they fired one of these up for me and did a dry fire with no ammo, so freakin crazy. cool piece of tech
I will have to disagree with the video. I was deployed to Kuwait in 2006 and they had them in Baghdad and Balad right about the end of that year. One night I was there they test fired it, and my crew, and II nearly shit our pants cause nobody was expecting that
Mr. Gatling who invented the multi-barrel gun in 1861 thought it would result in the reduction and perhaps elimination of war. His theory was that it would be so powerful and "terrible" people would think 10x before putting men into infantry battles ever again and make battles shorter if they did. He was unfortunately very wrong and the like the horrors of atomic weapons, MAD is still a thing today.
I'm friends with one of his great grand-daughters. Quite the family still, though pretty normal.
I had these around camp bastion in 2008 when i was deployed there. I was under one when it engaged rockets going over camp and the noise is so loud. We also had a massive picture taken by a lynx and it went to engage it.
Trust me brother…. There’s a LOT more to it than they are saying. They are only going to tell us the bare minimum of its capabilities! Just like we only know a fraction of our technology. Ps, the rounds don’t keep going- they burn up at a certain distance to keep civilian deaths to zero!! 🤙I love your videos man, you’re welcome to my house in Florida any time!!
The big can is ammo storage, and radar dome. It is for close in defense. This is the gun the Warthog was designed around and why it has an offset front landing gear.
That top "can" is the housing for the plethora of computers and sensors at work. The top dome is the housing for its radar. And I can only guess that woe be unto the unfortunate hubris bird who thinks that it can "bomb" a CWIS or LWIS system and get away with it.
You say that this is terrifying, but you should see the disaster that was the M247 Sergeant York SPAA (self-propelled anti-air.) It was supposed to be a similarly smart system like this, but it swung its live barrels around towards the onlooking stands of the high brass in attendance, wouldn't lock on to actual aerial targets unless it was flown a few dozen yards away from it via helicopter, and it locked onto a radiator fan of an outhouse.....It was a very buggy system that never saw actual production, but if anything at all, I'd rather have this look at me for a second than have a M247 Sgt. York be anywhere near me.
Basically what I’ve researched and heard from vets in a simple way to put it.
The C-RAM sends a signal to an aircraft or munition, expecting the object it’s targeting to send the other half of the signal/code like you are telling the password to get in.
And if it doesn’t get that password/signal in return is how it can deem something a threat. That’s why you saw it track that aircraft above the ship really weirdly before going back to normal.
That aircraft has the correct password to basically go into the fly zone of the C-RAM
You would be wrong these systems where created for the navy. Army adopted them. I fix these systems sub components but I haven’t got the opportunity to learn it yet really looking forward to learning them.
There is a video on youtube where a SeaWiz on a ship tracks (points at) a CIVILIAN jumbo jet that flew too close. Luckily, the sailors on board where paying attention and over rode the fire command, or that plane would have been shot down.
It'll track just in case, but it's not going to fire unless it's given permission first. Still wouldn't want it pointing at me though.
I scanned the comments and I can't believe that no one mentioned this already, but ay 3:35 you mention that "it's almost like it's doing it on it's own". That actually the point - the big dome is the radar unit and it's self guided for targeting. The only thing an operator does is push a button to allow it to fire - everything else is automated. That's it's beauty - it doesn't need a team of people to watch over it's shoulder - it's independent. Each one can be, and they can be linked to a main sensor net as well. 😉
**edit** After finishing the video, I see it explained it all in the back half, so I guess just don't mind me. 🙂
10:40 "10 to 15 million dollars.." "... insane! ..." What's a grunt's life worth? The US military places a high value on our soldier's, marine's, airman's, and sailor's lives, even before taking into account the hardware (ships, tanks, aircraft, etc.) that could be lost. For example, the US military would much rather lose an F35 than an F35 pilot.
I have a buddy who was a contractor on a base. He showed me a video when the based was getting shelled and I got to see how this thing works. It’s crazy.
I like how the captions recognize the destruction of the missiles as "[music]"
Those rounds self detonate after 5 seconds or so to reduce the collateral damage
idk if you have but you should see the video of the Sailor telling their CWIS "noooo" when it starts tracking a commercial airliner flying over their ship.
The "big barrel" on the C ram is the Radome. It has its own on board radar set.
“Doing it on its own” depends on your definition of IT and OWN. The system interfaces with target detection systems, and that gets fed into a targeting computer which plots how to intercept the targets. You certainly can run these things as part of a defensive shield system that will just automatically intercept targets. Generally you would want to have someone decide which targets to engage….but you don’t have to if the situation calls for it.
If you ever wanna check out more historic military stuff, i highly recommend the Naval Legends series on CZcams. they go over famous and historical Warships and Naval Battles
The barrel on top is the track radar (in the lower section) and the search radar (under the dome).
3:03 The first usage in 1959 was on the F-104C Starfighter (first "good" usage, I think a few before the C didn't have the linkless feed system, the C was the first version with linkless feed)
Been close to one of these going off while serving on HMS Newcastle. The fact the deck vibrates like a badger.... Oh, the radar system is in the top.
13:07 The rounds are AA rounds, so they frag when they go a certain distance.
Retired USAF here. These angry R2D2’s are what kept me FROM having nightmares. Saved our asses on more than one occasion. Literally a legit life saver.
It is called R2D2 ;-). I had the pleasure of working on this mount with the FC division back in 1985 ( I just became a GMG3 during this time). Kick ass gun system.
My dad is retired US Navy... he told me stories about how training exercises for this is to have a target towed by a plane... they had to be careful to turn it off... because once the target is destroyed, it would start going up the chain of the tow line... getting closer to the actual plane, not the target.
I was 4 different ships. 2 of them didnt have CIWS. The other two were about 25 years different from each others construction. The first ship we hung the moniker Christ it wont shoot because the electronics were so fragile that you couldnt turn it on without suffering a casualty of some sort requiring hours of repair time. That issue was fixe in the mean time. The new ship I was on the system worked as expected. The main drawback was the ammunition. The round drum under the gun only held about 30 seconds of fire time and it was electrically fired so you had to set EMCON so that the rounds didnt cook off when reloading. I imagine that the Army has a reload sequence arranged with neighboring batteries to keep coverage while reloading
These were built for the Navy and now they have moved them to land base system. The barrels rotate so it fires out of a different barrel one at a time.
The footage of one of these, on a boat, suddenly turning to point at a civilian aircraft had me laughing hard
It's import to note that while it runs out of ammo quickly, it is setup to only engage threats that will actually hit something. It calculates where a mortar will land, and based on that decides if it needs to shoot or not. So if a round was going long anyways or hitting an empty space within the wire it may choose not to engage.
Yep same thing they do for the Patriot missile system. If the incoming round is just going to hit a pile of dirt they don't waste the shot.
@@Stubbies2003- Do I detect another HLC fan?
There's a video of the Ciwiz on a ship locking onto (what appears to be) a civilian airliner and you can hear a few sailors jokingly going, "Noooo, nooo...Stop that" as it follows the plane out of the airspace. It's kinda creepy and funny at the same time
CIWS in the Navy. Very useful for RC drones, fun fact
Laser AMS is coming online pretty rapidly.
It was tracking the aircraft by itself. The bit on top that you wondered about is the radar system it uses to track targets. Even slow anti ship missiles are traveling at 537 MPH/837 KPH/240 m/s. It must be able to track targets and compute lead by itself. No human can do that manually and be reliable with it.
They track everything within range. From drones to civilian airliners and everything in the air between.
Apparently the rounds are all tracers so that they self destruct after the tracer burns out. That's what the little pops are when they reach max range.
1980 US Navy we had two of these on the USS Lawrence a DDG one and port the other on starboard called Sea Wiz.
We called them R2D2 with a hard on, crude but true when you think of an insane R2D2 with a 20mm rotary cannon and working for the dark side...
Now imagine waking up to this every sunday morning when they test fire them.