Best Entry Level Dual Sports - TW200, XT250, DR200, KLX230, VanVan
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Ooops, just as I released this video Kawasaki decided to update the KLX230 to the new KLX230 S. The new bike has two inches less travel but the new seat height is now 32.7 inches. Less capability but a more beginner friendly seat height. Might be worth the trade off.
Thanks for the info as always…
when i rode in the mountains with my klx 230 21' the extra suspension made a difference but if you have a skid plate and go slow its a great choice for shorter/lighter riders as the suspension wont sag as much. I think the new S model is pointed toward people under 170lb 5'7" cause if your lighter less suspension wont matter as much. for example im 5 '10" and 215lb geared up and i only bottom out under extreme circumstances
How did it handle big hills and the elevation change? @@elihautamaki547
air cooled, carburated, under powered, drum rear brake, spongy suspension... exactly what I grew up with in the sixties, so I'm good with that.
and you should. At slow speeds, all these features are not a problem at all.
As long as it gets you out in the dirt, it's all good.
@@toine0002 at my age, "slow" is part of everything I do :O)
Same here but mid 70s.
Seriously don't let anybody talk you out of a TW or older style bike. They do need some mods but they are GREAT.
I have a DRZ400 and DR200. Bought the 200 for my wife and son but I end riding it quite a bit when I roll to the trails solo. Much more manageable weight wise and just enough power.
I just bought a klx230, it's not my first bike. My first bike was a 450, tons of power everywhere when you need it, but, I realized I like to ride slow, I like to have a bike to explore and experience nature. I ended up riding my 450 between 10-20mph the whole time except for the highway. I sold the bike for a bike that would suit my needs better. It's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow, this is completely true in my case. I'm loving the klx, it's simple, easy to work on, and completely bulletproof. I'm 6'2", 220 lbs and it hauls me around with no issue at all.
My brother has the xt250 & I've got a tw200 in my garage, both are dead simple good "play" bikes that remind you of why you started riding in the first place.
All the bikes in the video are great fun & that's what it's all about. Thanks for sharing & keeper safe out there ✌️😎
Which one s better
@@geraltofrivia4651 the xt250 is better suited for faster trail & road riding, the tw200 is better in the slower paced riding (mud/sand). "Better" would depend on how & where you ride them, both bikes are great play bikes. Well suited for new riders & plenty of fun for experienced folks ✌️
@@geraltofrivia4651 Two very different machines. If you want the Farm bike with fat tires, TW all day.
After 30 yrs away from the 'bike life' a borrowed TW 200 (at his insistence) immediately put me back at ease on a bike, whether off road or on, and it wasn't long before I had my own bike (a DR 350) again! I would recommend the TW to anyone getting started....very un-intimidating and user friendly! Pretty easy on the gas usage as well! Living large on a T7 these days - no looking back now!! :-)
I just bought a 2020 Suzuki DR200 a couple of months ago. It will do 65mph on the roads, and is a little tank in the woods. I'm new to dirt riding, (only about two years on a TTR 230) but the DR is a hoot!! This little monkey goes anywhere. Extremely maneuverable. I've had Harleys for about 30 years, and the DR is soooo nimble. You drop it, just pick it up and go again. Light weight as hell. Even with a full tank. Mine gets about 75 mpg, and has a 3.3 gallon tank You can go for ever on it!! It's a bit taller, but that's really not an issue. The perfect beginner bike for me. Have fun kids, and be careful out there.
I just picked up a KLX230 and I love it. Its my favorite bike I’ve had, so much fun just exploring.
Air cooled (low maintenance), carburated as is the one I just rebuilt last night in one hour. (easy to fix). Underpowered (safe for streets and dirt). Yup 200 250 is where it's at.
I have a XT250. I really like it on the road and in the forest. I appreciate it in the trails because my two feet can reach the ground.
Nothing accept maybe the tdub can compete with the xt’s ability to get you through very hard terrain with very little skill. Just put it in first and walk it through or up anything.
I also think it's the best looking bike of the four.
@@DifferentSpokesTV I like it because despite the low seat height it have a good clearance.
i have a klx 230 2021 and i love it. its the perfect bike for learning how to ride. there's a bit of a learning curve such as balance, clutch and throttle control. the new S model is great for those who plan on a little bit more mild terrain. the seat height is not a problem, it will just take longer to learn and youll drop it more if you shorter. in the end it doesnt matter what bike you get as long as you can afford and have interest in the sport all these bikes are good options. have fun and ride safe :)
You got a great bike! It's something you can keep for a long time and enjoy. Safe riding!
xt250 was my first. For a while I tried trading it in for something dual but lil bigger. I was going to lose so much money that it didn't make any sense. Now, that I test rode almost 50 road and off road bikes and also owning 1200cc yam brother, doesn't cross my mind to change it. I lost count of how many times I crashed that bike, straighten few controls and kept riding. Took it to places way above my skill level and even questioned my sanity. On highway, it keeps 70mph with no problem. May even hit 80 on lucky day. The only objection I have, it stalls suddenly with no warning whatsoever. It is also lil cramped for my 5'10". I have blast with that thing every time I sit on it.... And, if was good for Rambo (although older model) it sure is good for me :-)
I just got a brand new 2021 klx 230 last week I'm about 5'9" 185lbs and yeah its a little tall but it definitely sits down with weight. It's an absolute blast to ride. Has plenty of pull it's definitely a good choice
same here i love mine
I love my XT250. It is the best urban bike I have ever owned.
Great looking bike!
I had a dr200 as a kid and it was so fun down dirtroads to a fruends house or around your property and plus, they're invincible for they're job so the 20 hp and rear drum brake is well enough for me to put put around with younger cousins or family
Perhaps worth mentioning regarding the VanVan is that it is, by far, the most comfortable bike in this, or any other, group.
There's nothing wrong with the rear drum brake for the slow offroad bike. It's very powerful, lasts forever, and if there is no need to brake often from high speeds, it will do its job nicely.
So much so, that if I had the choice of 2 identical bikes, I'd choose the one with a rear drum - for a light, non competitive, dual-purpose bike. Simpler, more reliable and lower maintenance. In fact, for my learner bike training school, I prefer a bike with a FRONT drum, where speeds are kept fairly low and too sharp front brakes are the main cause of injuries to learner riders and damages to my bikes.
Lots of great choices, owned 3 (kept the TW200) and ridden all of them - lots of good points. Rode TW200 on Calabogie Boogie Dual Sport Aggressive Course - like a tractor & a goat! Can go 105 km/hr, but engine screams. TW really for off-road & short jaunts in town. TW200 has been to north & south pole (modified) - Japanese adv rider back in the day. XT250 a much better choice for road over TW200 plus has FI. KLX230, way more seat-of-the pants power than TW200 - & for 2022 Kawi coming out with KLX230 "S" model with seat 2 inches lower, but loses suspension travel. DR200 way lighter feel than KLX, lighter steering and more maneuverable than the KLX230 off-road. Again, how to choose, lol. Nice video & I am sure you have inspired many to get onto bikes and on the trail !
Thanks! Yes, the new KLX230 is much more inseam friendly. Wish I had waited another day before releasing the video :)
I'm starting to get interested in getting one of these.
Thanks for the great, informative video.
I've owned my TW200 for a month and I'm loving it.
thank you for the video! i feel like i've watched just about every credible top 5 beginner dual sport, and i gotta say yours is one of the most realistic i've seen so far!
so many of the videos i've seen are calling out bikes with 34, 35, hell 37" ride heights - this is not beginner territory folks, at least not unless you're 6' plus!
as a short rider (5'6", 29" inseam), i've had to come to terms with maybe not being able to buy the "best" bike. but! thanks to videos like this one, i know there are still some good options waiting for me out there.
thanks again for the content, appreciate the perspective and that of your wife's - need more lady riders to give their feedback!
Your channel is phenomenal. Keep it up!!
Glad you enjoy it! I definitely will.
Excellent and comprehensive video👍
I own the Yamaha TW200 and the Honda CRF Rally. Love them both.
Nice bikes and together they cost about as much as one KTM500EXC.
Sold my 2013 KLR, it was getting too heavy for my old man body. Had to get a couple of bikes to replace it. 2020 Versys 300X, it's great on the road and logging roads, but not as good as the KLR on single track. So I had to order a new KLX230 for the single tracks, should be in next week so I'm excited after watching your review. Keep up the good work and you are totally correct on tail riding, It's the best way to enjoy nature and yourself.
Thanks for the video. I am 63 and like my 2019 xt 250 thank you. Low seat hight, strong enough for my age, I enjoying the gravel roads. 😂
When you bought that tenere, I thought that you may want to get something more off-road capable in the future. Then when you got the Honda 300, I knew sooner or later you'd become an off-road addict. Once you start, it just can't stop. I started on a 150 dual-sport for a couple of years, but then I had to upgrade to a 250 Enduro that has to be maintain like a racehorse, and it can rip my face off. Off-road is very addictive, and once you start it's hard to stop.
I have a VavVan,, loads of fun easy to driver around town, or on the wood roads and I have landed it with camping gear and done some light adventure touring. It does have a small tank, but that can be addressed with an add on rotopak
Cold inexpensive fun.
Thanks for sharing! Those are great looking bikes.
You’re doing great work. 👍🏻
Thank you! Cheers!
Appreciate your channel, good work 👍
Thank you so much 👍
Bought a 1999 Suzuki 125 DF-E for exactly that purpose along with my Tenere 700 which I'd rather take to far away adventure bike guided weekends. My DF-E comes equipped with ADV bikes luggage carrying capacity, 120 kg and 11,6 hp enough for trails around the house. Its nimbleness makes it the perfect bike for winter riding and the muddy trails don't scare it. I love it.
Nice. Those super light bikes are the best on the trails.
My friend and I just got 2022 klx230 and I’m loving mine so far it’s good on gas and cheap to fill up to we could have went with other dual sports but they probably isn’t as fuel efficient as the klx 230s
Thank you! I want to get the DR200SE
So much fun getting off the pavement after years of high horsepower highway bikes. The desert awaits. I bought a 2019 KLX 250 and it is actually quite capable in the more challenging stuff. Power just ok until about 5000 rpms where it kicks in but the suspension might be the best available in the lower price points. Good bike for say 5 foot 10 inch height and above.
In Dualsport, you create your own path.
I did the M2 course on a TW - I absolutely loved the bike and am still considering buying one to play around on.
Great looking cool bike and perfect for off-roading. The XT250 is close in price and has a few more features you might consider.
go for it as long as you like slower riding its a amazing bike. but if you want a little faster i have a klx 230 and i can keep up with a honda 250r on trails. conclusions: slower technical riding tw200 all the way. faster flowy trails klx 230. both are great farm/beginner style bikes. i try to point people more toward the klx230 but the cult following around the tw200 is irreplaceable. either way have fun and ride safe :)
I have a klx 230 I love it
Great video. Perhaps a comparison table would be handy? And a minor comment is that I find it a bit confusing that I am watching you or your wife on a Honda CRF300L while you describe the TW200 or the DR200. Why not match the video with the audio?
Thanks! I don't have video of me riding these bikes, otherwise I'd throw it in there. There also aren't any promo videos on these old bikes that I can use without copyright infringement.
Here in Arkansas, those Kawasaki KLX 230's, are impossible to find at any dealership. They have none for sale and do not know when more will come in. It is frustrating.
I ride a 2009 Kawasaki klx250s red in color. Love my little bike easy on gas,insurance and most of all light.
@Different Spokes TV Would you consider the XT250 more capable than an xr250r dual sport conversion?
I appreciate the video.
Personally, I ride the xt250. The people that I ride with ride the klx250 and the klx300. I am never unable to keep up and one of them is definitely more skilled than me. We all keep up on the highway as well. For taller riders, the klx is compelling with its plush suspension but the xt seems more nimble with a lower center of gravity. Over 10 pounds lighter as well. It also has the smallest turning radius of any dual sport that I am aware of. Half a gallon more fuel as well. The xt can't afford to give you the first three or four inches of plushness of the klx. With only seven in total, it's a little stiffer. When I ride the klx I am both impressed and disappointed compared to the xt. You gain and lose. The main reason that I rule it out for me is that with my 30-inch inseam and the roughness of what we ride I would be tipping over all the time with the klx. Not while riding but when having to stop in a rough section. As for the klx230 I have never even seen one but it would have to be pretty compelling for me to give up the xt for. I think that until you really put one through its paces it is easy to underestimate how great a bike the xt is. If you're taller the klx all the way. The honda is a non-starter for me. The klx just seems better.
Thanks for the insights. It seems I have terrible timing as Kawasaki just released an updated KLX with 2 inches shorter suspension and lower seat. I guess they're figuring riders won't use the full suspension of the last model.
@@DifferentSpokesTV Yamaha has had the shorter rider market pretty much cornered so kawasaki probably wants a share of that. Why have two taller bikes in the stable. Unfortunately the 230 loses a lot of ground clearance in the deal. The xt has 11" whereas the new klx only has 8" I believe.
I will add that my friend lowered the klx 300 and it feels pretty good. Suspension still feels better than the xt by a fair bit. Now I have something to think about.
Enjoyimg my 2022 KLX230
I commend the honda cb500 line upgrades because I think antut returning to the Initial 500 cc i ohne started with.
In my motorcycle club the best rider out on the trails uses an old 70's Yamaha 100 and outriders everybody. How can these bikes cost a third of top bicycles and even a quarter of top electrics. Maybe the bicycle manufacturers are blatantly ripping customers off.
I had a 85 DR200 for 16 years. Regretted selling it. It was a great bike. It's lack of power is a strength in hands as unskilled offroad as mine.
Perfect bike for relaxed trail riding.
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16 yr n still unskill?
any 150cc dual sport bikes you recommend?
Thank you
I dream in dr650. Only thing that wakes me up sweating is its neutral sensor that's known to blow up the transmission
Na
I bought a 2015 dr200 8 months ago because I had a 600 sport bike and needed something that kept me under 100mph. Well the dr has done just that. Its nearly impossible to speed on the bike although I have tapped redline in 5th going 85mph. It will cruise 65 at full throttle and doesn't even care. It gets about 60 mpg at full throttle for a whole tank but in the city I have gotten upwards of 90mpg. I have put more miles on this bike than any bike I have previously owned all in 8 months. Off-road it works great. Overall, the best bike I have owned and I have had many bikes. Its the only one that I can rip around town and not do anything super illegal.
There is a lot of Honda CRF250L on the market, so can be mentioned too.
I have a 2008 DR200, I commute 60 miles both ways 30 miles one way. I am 270 lbs. Get the DR and don't be afraid to wind it up. It does 65 in 4th gear. I pass everyone on the highway. One disadvantage perhaps, the vibration is annoying until you get used to it, if you can. It stopped bothering me after 1500 miles.
Definitely something to think about…XT250!!!? I’m only 164cm…The Kawasaki maybe…I would have to sit on one.Thanks for the video.I have a 2019 Honda rebel 500abs.
Kawasaki just announced a shorter KLX230 so maybe check that out.
Wow, and all of these entry-level vehicle recommendations people always skip the TW and I think it’s absolutely one of the best options especially if you’re not tall. I’m tall enough I’ve driven full size bikes add an XL 600 but I still love the TW. I think these are all great choices. The one thing I would like to see, not necessarily in this category is for the manufactures to bring back to mid range bikes. I love the XT 250 but it’s just too gutless especially for a bigger rider, the XT 350 they used to have was awesome and I drove an XL 600 but it was a handful and it was really some thing you had to pay attention to to keep that front wheel on the ground. My dream bike is an 84 XL 350 with an electric starter added on and if it had a rear disc brake, even better. But they don’t have those options anymore, Suzuki had the DR 350 with the six speed the same as the Honda and it had some quirks I needed some upgrades but they replaced it with the DRZ 400 and put a five speed on it which means for slow technical stuff you have only first gear And that’s it and of course everything now is designed like a race bike for the most part so you have these very skinny hard uncomfortable seats which is fine if you’re standing all day but they’re doing sports. The Yamaha XT 250 and the TW 200 still have pretty comfortable seats that are wide enough that you can ride around for several hours. A CRF or a KLX is very uncomfortable after a while. That’s what I love about the 80s bikes, the Honda XL series and the XR 650 L had a nice big Cuz she seats on them they were thin enough to stand up I never noticed any problem with it but I wasn’t out there racing and doing motocross either I was doing woods and trails and small jumps and nothing crazy because it was a dual purpose I wanted something I could ride on the street and on some dirt roads and trails and it was perfect for that, and even on the more intense off-road the XR 350 was what I considered about perfect but I get that some people want more performance and grace type bike and that’s cool but on a dual sport they should offer an option with a comfortable seat and riding position and almost all the manufacturers have the bars a little too low. Even riders that are 5 foot five I still want to lift the handlebars on most of these bikes with a razor. I think the manufactures could do a little better job paying attention to their customers but at least with Yamaha they’ve kept the TW and the XT 250 is a great choice For an entry-level type of bike that is truly dual purpose it’s not great off-road but it’s decent on road it’s a good 50-50 bike and they could make improvements but they keep the price fairly low and for most riders it’s going to be fine. If I’m out there jumping it I’m gonna want something better but Prince intended purpose I think Yamaha did an amazing job and the TW is a little different with the white wheels and being a little shorter with the smaller wheels and it’s definitely slow but I wish that’s what I would’ve learned on. I basically started out on an EX 500 discount ninja bike and a Honda XL 600. The TW or the XT would’ve been a much better choice I think. Also the DR 200, almost nobody mentions that and it’s a great little bike and it’s actually surprisingly well-built, if you get a little better carburetor it can be a pretty formidable little bike. And specially now I’m starting to see those options because I’ve got pretty severe knee issues and lower back and neck issues from injuries and I want something that’s incredibly easy to ride that’s comfortable and no I kind of miss it I don’t really need the power and I think I’d be pretty happy with an XT 250 or a DR or a TW at this point. I really like the Cadillacs but Those seats are pretty hard and it’s a little on the racy side for me and I want a little more comfort and Street ability now but that’s a pretty good range and I think you picked a pretty good list of bikes that will kind of fit everybody pretty well if you’re into the dirt stuff that’s what you like calyx is a pretty decent bike the DR is a good simple smaller dirtbike that’s OK for Street the XT 250 is a little more comfortable and the TW, well I don’t even know how to describe it it’s just a TW they’re weird quirky and slow but there’s just something very cool about them and they are a ton of fun to ride, I think it’s just an easy bike that you can go and you can twist the throttle as hard as you want and you’re probably not gonna get into trouble with it and with the shorter wheels and seat heights even short people are going to be able to keep their feet on the ground and it’s just a great play bike. You made awesome choices. I find on a lot of these videos what you end up seeing is dirt people showing the Hondas in the KLX in the more race style bikes and you get the more street people showing simple bikes. For a dual purpose and for my writing style I think these are pretty much perfect options and cover full range of dual purpose starter bikes, these are all great choices and somebody picks one because they like the styling of it I think they’re gonna be very happy with them
Personally I LOVE my TW200. If you aren't going more than 50 mph you made the right choice, If you need higher speeds definitely go with something with better gearing for speed. Honestly it really is more dirtbike than it is street bike. but also lacks all the stuff you really need for off road so you have to mod it. (skid plates, handle bars and guards, suspension and brake mods.) but after that you are set for anything other than hard enduro stuff. It aint makin it up that gnarly hill climb but it will climb all others at a walking pace.
It would be what I buy if it wasn't for the carb. My current bike has a carb and I bought that one to save money and I wish I hadn't. They are a pain to deal with.
There's a helluva lot of trails that are too technical to be riding on larger bikes.... I saw one man redo an old xt225 & he went
places that were scary w/ sheer drop-offs but his little bike took it all where the others were challenged. He had redone the
sprockets to be more aggressive & while he didn't use the 6th gear it was needed on the 2 lane roads going into the trails.
And yeah, I'm looking at these..... peace
Good for sibe track n Aussie thrashing
I'm wondering why you haven't mentioned the CSC TT250, which is also in the entry level category. It has similar specs as the bikes you mention but is at least $2000 less to buy.
Chuba junk proly
Hawk 250 DLX. 6 speed fuel injection cheap parts easy to work on for 2k.
This looks very close to video I REQUESTED. (smiles)
I was kinda hoping you would include the; Konker KSM 200 &The Pitster Pro XTR 200 (when they have Knobby Tires installed) The XT 125 and 225 (slightly older, but still available if you look hard) But most of all the semi-Famous Honda CRF 230L (and maybe the CRF 230m, when it has Knobby's installed) This is a rare segment here in Canada. We have Dirt Bike in almost every size available, but very few Entry Level Dual-Sports.! I personally feel we need more, bcz not only are they great in the woods or trails, but let me tell you a secret... they are really good within a Urban Community.! Pot Holes, Bumps, Gravel patches and Alleyways. Curbs, medians, boulevards even Stairs if need be. Need to get out of a bad situation to protect yourself, jump the curb easily. I find mine to be very lightweight, great in the rain and good in the snow. I can carry almost as much as a Scooter, yet have more power and can obvious go off-road (like seriously Off-Road) It's no big deal if I drop it, it's easy to lift or drag out of the mud. Most can be carried on a carrier behind the average Car No Truck or Trailer ever Needed.!
Thanks Angel. Yes, we need more street legal dual sports. BTW, just as I released the vid Kawasaki released a new KLX230S with a 2 inch lower seat. Go figure.
Ooh they are calling it the "S" I like that bcz it made no sense to me when they dropped the "S" back in 2018. I think S is for Street. Just like Honda's L is for Lights (I believe) I think the KLX 230 is a FAIL (I have yet to sit on one or Ride it) but according to the Stats it just as Tall and Heavy as a KLX 250, yet air cooled and less power. I am praying that the 2022 "230S" will somehow compete with the XT 250 which currently wins in ever category except 6-speeds. Our former XT could do 130 kms/hr full out, on the flat with no headwind. Faster if you take the Heavy GLASS off the front headlight. hee hee
What about the CRF 230L?
I own a tdub. So much fun, but yes incredibly slow.
I wish I was American just to have the chance to live on one of these thumpers
How are ergonomics on the XT250 for a rider that's 6'4 34" inseam?
short, but doable. I'm about the same size, I had a crf230m with a seat height of 31in, you feel big, but it's still just as fun. You can really manhandle a bike that short around and feel unstoppable.
Fast forward to 2023 and at least where I live there are no more cheap used motorcycles or cheap anything. New bikes are now a decent deal until they go up hundreds of dollars a year like everything else from food to energy.
had a used 230 crf, maybe a 230l
Woohoo you showed my road bike KTM 890 Duke R & rated my KLX230 yes seat hight is tall but does sag to a real comfortable ride height. I ride with my sister inlaw on her XT250 & Brother on his CRF250 lots of vids on my channel exploring the Aussie Bush.
Nice, thanks! All awesome bikes. Canadians and Aussies are lucky to all have so much terrain to explore.
What a out the crf300l
You can’t ride in the woods here in Germany. It can be problematic even with a mountainbike, that’s not really legal too.
But on the other hand, we can ride much faster on the road. That’s why adventure bikes and super motos make more sense here. I don’t know about Poland, Czech, France… etc.
Btw: do you have to watch out for bears ?
Yeah, I'm lucky to live by all of the trails. If I'm going into the deep woods I take Bear Spray with me just in case. I've run into a few bears in the woods and they've walked away, but it's better to be safe than sorry.
Bs. U can
Look at the Kawasaki KLX 230 S for shorter riders
I’m 5 foot 10 190 pounds and I enjoyed riding that bike Pepe smooth easy to ride
Kawasaki just announced the 2022 KLX230 with shorter suspensions (6.2in front and 6.6in rear) and lower seat height (32.7in), so not great timing with the video lol. There are still plenty of last gens on the market of course.
They probably couldn't pull Yamaha's numbers in the segment. The old one is also really not much lower than the KLX250/300 which is a significantly better performer.
Thanks for the info! I'll have to pin a comment at the top.
Plus $7,000 today for the XT250 in Canada.
XT rocks. Just as good as the KLX 230
xr or kdx 200 2st or wr
I got a klx 230 it’s a good bike
I have an XT250 😸
Why is the Honda CRF 300 not in this? It’s hardly more expensive than the Tw200
These are all air cooled
Just a shame Suzuki doesn't make the DR200 anymore.
Still a thing here in NZ selling 2023 models. They're popular farm bikes.
@@consuminglight damn lucky, gotta get one used here or be real lucky and find new old-stock. I would figuratively kill for a brand new 2022-2024 model dr200
You forgot another yamaha 250 bike WR250 which is way more higher performing than XT250, and also DRZ400 even though it is running on a old carburetor platform
They're a higher class
Expensive also
2023 tx250 has the same top speed as tw200 76 mph
first!! yeah!
None of these are available in Europe
I think the kawasaki one is
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Check if the Kawasaki is available. It has ABS so may be legal there.
@@DifferentSpokesTV nope, the closest is the Versys 300. It's not a matter of being legal: Europeans have a high purchasing power so the brands push them to buy more expensive models by not making the cheaper options available. Why would they sell you a 300 if they can force you to buy a 650 or 1000?
That sucks. The 230 and 300 are so much more fun to ride on the trails.
230 250 fun
none of them available in germany, cause no ABS. The Dualsport category basically doesnt exist here.
I am leaving Berlin in a few minutes....even herr I saw a R1250GS adv and a R1200RS liquid cooled in the fuckin city with 30 or 50 km/h speed limit zones.
Almost none of the list is either allowed in Germany since ABS is mandatory since 2014, which is a dumb regulatory measure for tiny bikes.
off topic: abs saves you only when brakes lock, when they are too strong or the pavement is slippery and thus causes the brakes to lock.
I rode a KTM electric offroad, forgot the bikes name. Unlike Canada Germany is densely populated. Offroad bike parks will no longer be allowed unless electric.
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Change the spokits to lower the gearing and get more low end power.
Tdub…End of story!
Speaking of the TW200 - "Is it objectively a good motorcycle - not really"...and that's where you lost me on this video.
I think you're oversimplifying by saying that objectively good = modern, and that you have to be short to benefit from a short seat height. Or that these bikes are only good for beginners.
Those are the stereotypical arguments I usually hear. Doesn't really fit my experience at least.
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Wanna upset Kawasaki, talk about how the KLX 230 should have been built to compete with Yamaha XT 250 but it FAILED in every possible way.!
"Tommy Angelo" comments that they just announced the 2022 will have a Lower Seat Height, which is really needs. It also need to loose a bit more weight. I feel the KLX 230 and 250 are much too close to the same Bike for a similar price. Obviously, Kawasaki is not going continue to sell the KLX 230, 250 and 300.
How much do you wanna bet that Honda is going bring back the CRF 230L (as fuel injected) and outshine both the XT 250 and KLX 230.! My Unicorn is Fuel Injection, Low Seat Height (at or below my XT 250), weight (at or below my XT 250) standard tire size, and yet a 6-speed.! I am shocked no other brand can achieve this with a 223cc or 233cc when Yamaha can almost pull it off with a 249cc. Stop pulling from the parts bins Manufactures and give us a Street-Legal version of the Honda CRF 230 Dirt Bike.! I would even buy one with slightly smaller tires if need be. Don't make me put Kobby Tires on a MT-150, like I did my Grom.! hee hee
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