Reacting to Pro Skate Setups INDY vs THUNDER
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
- Reacting to Pro Skate Setups INDY vs THUNDER
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This video is hard to understand because it’s about my subjective personal feelings not objective reality. It’s about how skating certain trucks makes me feel. It’s about how I feel when I watch certain people Skate on certain trucks. You have to be able to think in a very abstract way to understand what I’m saying in this video. Some people can’t even think in picture form or video form they think verbally. You need to be able to think in both ways.
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Tiago Lemos is probably more technical than most indy riders. By the way this is one of your most interesting videos in the last month please keep these types of videos going up. By the way only tried indy yet ( out of the real skateboard truck brands ) apart from generic trucks that aren't meant for real skating but I want to try some other brands Edit: Tried aces
Correction most technical skaters on Indy are Carlos riberio
And Tiago lemos
Also not as tech but still tech on rails is giovanni vienna on primitive
I talk about this in the video that coming out today in an hour or so.
@@MichaelRelevant going to check it out rn
As a almost 50 yr old skater, ( started at about 10 ), having skated Indys for 99 percent of that time, your assessment of an indy rider is spot on, at least for me. I first got Indys because I was bending hangers like a banana from bomb drops and stairs. Now more bowls, pumptracks and hills. still running the same layout, big board with og bullet 66's.
idk if you watched the rest of that Sean Malto video, but you can literally buy the exact deck shape he rides. Girl and Chocolate make boards in that mold all the time
Yeah, I know I’ve stated that shape. I have a video on this channel skating it. I’ve just seen several skaters over the years send that they skate a slightly different shape than what they sell. I made this video pretty good tonight. I didn’t have time to watch every single Skateboard set up on the Internet. I edited this whole thing with in an hour so I could get some sleep. There’s a few specific board set up videos. I want to do a reaction video to. I think it’s interesting that Dave Bachinsky and Chris Roberts Skate is 7.5. Not sure how tall they are but they are really thin guys.
Skating for 36 years the truck madness is real 🤦♂️🫠
it is crazy
38 and I’ve ridden gullwing, G&S, venture, thunder and Indy. I’m currently thinking about giving aces a go. The madness never stops.
Jaako, Tyler Surrey, Nassim, Denny Pham, bunch of Barcelona dudes all skate Indy. Jacopo on Baker skates Ace. I think it’s more of a American thing where the branding is based around a particular culture in skating. There are definitely advantages in certain brands for certain qualities, but it’s a combination of environment, skill set and culture.
You hit the nail on the head
It's always interesting to hear people thoughts and preferences. I started on Ventures in 1999/2000, then went to Thunders. I loved how Thunders felt, but I broke 2-3 kingpins on them between like '06-'09 and just never got over the mental thing with that. Couldn't quite trust em. Then I went down the rabbit hole and tried every other brand and would bend axles on Krux and Silvers. I ended up skating Destructos and Indys after that. Right now I'm running my old Indy Stage 9s that I found boxed up in my basement and I love them!
I've always been a gearhead when it comes to the various sports and activities I pursue. Whether it's mountain biking or skiing, I've come to realize that one person's perfect setup might be another person's worst. This holds true for skateboarding as well, where numerous factors such as weight, height, mobility (especially for us older skaters), skating style, and typical terrain all come into play.
I recently experienced this firsthand when I switched from Indy to Thunder trucks on my 8.25 deck. Due to a severe ankle dislocation I suffered a while ago, I don't have full range of motion in one of my ankles. This has made it difficult for me to feel stable doing flat ground tricks on Indys, even with them tightened significantly. My ankle immobility causes me to bend forward when landing, resulting in an unwanted tilt and pivot of the trucks. However, switching to Thunders and tightening them up significantly solved this issue. I now feel much more stable landing on my deck, and my flat ground tricks are more consistent and crisp.
I noticed a significant difference the moment I stepped on my skateboard. Just as with other sports such as skiing, where different ski shapes and widths can dictate how one rides, the nature of skateboard trucks can influence riding style. Indy riders tend to ride similarly due to the truck's characteristics, and the same goes for Thunder riders.
Honestly I just started to skate my 161 thunder again on a 9in baker board with a 14.25 wheelbase and it feels so good for flat ground and slappies feel a little easier too and I have some 56mm spitfire radial fulls on it and I get no wheel bite at all.
The mid Indy’s are so beefy! I also didn’t have to worry about the truck skating curbs and ledges with those. I’ve tried inverted kingpins in thunders and it really opens up the clearance
Yeah, I used to love ranting about inverted king pins on thunders then I sold all of the umber king pins for some reason.I’m making another video about mindys Indy mids soon.
I like thunder and tensor for street style tricks and ace and Indy in the bowl.
However my current street set does have ACE 55 on them. Stock bushings.
Interesting, thunder locks in on coping so much better it’s a totally different feeling. Other than that I really enjoy skating indy trucks.
@@MichaelRelevant for me it is the stability for what kind of skating I am doing. Trying to move to just ACE for everything. Well I have Slappy trucks on my slappy board.
Everyone says ventures don’t turn, I must disagree respectfully. I skate ventures and I ride as is, I don’t tighten at all and they swerve and do what I want when I want. On a scale from thunder to Indy, they are in the middle not squirly but stable
I have some they turn just not as much as ace or slappy’s.
I have been going between indy and thunder. Just found setup that works well for me: 149 thunder titanium, 9.0 egg shape with mellow kicks. So tech for flip tricks and also wider board lots of fun to ride. 😎🤙 PS. Gustavo Riveiro is very tech indy rider.
You can tell he’s riding indys cause he does that little squirrelly turn as soon as he lands. He has a pretty sketchy tech style. I’m going to be skating indys in a future video to kind of show this off. When you watch somebody skating indys, you can tell. When you watch somebody skating ace you can tell.
1995 krux
1996 indy
1997 grind king
1998 Titan Ti-lites
End of skating until the summer of 2002 still ti lites
2024 indys standatds, getting back into skating. Now I'm already wondering if I should have gotten a lower truck even though indys are flipping and grinding fine. Just curious to feel thunders .
Off topic there are skateparks in every little town now up here in Ontario Canada and they usually are empty except for the young scooter kids
This made me wanna go buy tracker trucks
Haha
I love Thunder trucks....from the early 90's lol. I had mine really tight. I dont like wobble when i was trying to ollie onto the hood of a car. And i hated wobble when i was doing caspers and late flips....a steady board let me set up my trick better.
Tensor mag light. I got the idea from watching Bev up, he's right.
Yeah, I had some. My whole complete got stolen at a skatepark while I was knocked unconscious. So I haven’t skated them in a while. I only knew what happen because the guys sitting under the ramp told me.
What really?@@MichaelRelevant
I can say nowadays you can get the exact board that pro skater skates. Like Maurio McCoy, and Ishod twin tail. Nyjah’s custom mold with disorder, Jamie Foy and Neen Williams just to name a few
I use Ace Classic 55 and Indy 159/169 for bowls/park, also tried and liked the minilogos for that! Other than that i have a set of Ventures 5.6 V-Hollows that i love on miniramp, they are just perfect for that with hard bushings.
You Steeper concave/kicks are stronger/stiffer. I like mellower boards for flatground
I’ve heard people say they’re stronger, but who is actually out here breaking boards? I stay about 235lbs in the winter and 210lbs in the summer. I never break boards. People just need to land on the bolts.
Sometimes it's hard haha@@MichaelRelevant
@@MichaelRelevant i'm not really a board breaker either, i'm 6'3 235. but they are stronger in the sense that they are more rigid, less inclined to warp or flex, and last longer without sogging out. it's subjective, not everybody likes stiff boards
Seriously, skating for 30 odd years - watched my kids on mini logos - best decision.
Ventures turn great but a hack I used was i put in low ace bushings just on the top and it worked fantastic
Going back many years it seems like people that preferred looser trucks used thunder in people that ran tighter trucks tended to use Indy
AVE and Ryan smith are pretty technical skaters that ride Indy.
After many years of madness, I say screw it , just skate and have fun on anything you like.
i've used both for a long time, for now i'm riding indy's but they are both the best trucks on the market imo. With thunders i feel more in control of the board, more capable of doing technical stuff (they feel way lighter than indy's) , kinda more confortable, lock in better, but i get more wheelbite and their bushings ALWAYS explode. With indy's i feel like it's more fun to skate because of their turnability and it seems like they give me a "better" style/steez, i think they are more reliable cause i never had a problem with the bushings or pivot cups, i also like how they grind on crusty ledges, but because they are taller i dont feel as confortable jumping gaps and i get ghost pop/flick ocasionally. I really don't have a preference between indy's and thunders so i go back and forth between these two trucks.
What Indys ? Bought my kid silver stage 11s
In my opinion steep concave is stronger so that's probably why but I don't know
I’ve heard people say they’re stronger, but who is actually out here breaking boards? I stay about 235lbs in the winter and 210lbs in the summer. I never break boards. People just need to land on the bolts.
True, I think it also flips fast, but I'm young so I don't know@@MichaelRelevant
my first pair of trucks were stage 8149 indys, with an 8 inch consolidated board really mellow, When I started skating again 1 year ago, I went with an 8.5 deck with those trucks. now I bought a pair of stage 11 hollows forged, and a pair of 149 thunder, the thing is I cant decide wich one to stick to, but I allways fell more confortable on the indys. by the way I have 14 inch wheelbase.
great video I love being able to turn and carve really easily with my 169 indys with stock bushings loosened all the way but its hard to land tricks with them really loose but really fun for carving and cruising on my daily ride to work. I haven't tried that many other truck brands
How can you talk about tech and Indy’s and not mention the GOAT, Carlos Ribeiro
Look up Brian Peacock. He rides for Indy and is a tech skater
I mentioned this in today’s video.
im riding thunders, basic solid axle just like back in the 90's. Indys now are not like they were in the 90's.
I've skated Indy's since the late 90's and think the new ones are overall better. I started on Stage VII which had a great turn, but they were also heavy and the axles slipped a lot. I do wish they were still made in the USA though.
I have one board with ventures, and one board with indy’s. They feel exactly the same after a week of skating.
Yeah, are they venture highs?
Jamie rode back in the days for monster trucks. Maybe at this time for indy! 😅🫣
Indy=hesh thunder=tech
a lot of tech guys rode indy back in the 90's. rick howard was more tech in 93 on indys then n e of u ever will be.
im a venture guy and they very similar to thunders but just slightly different like they have heavier pop due to longer wheelbase and they lock in even better on grinds because how they turn and the shape of the hanger and bonus to them compared to thunders is that their baseplates stick more way more out. Also they turn fine if you break in the bushing or change them. I used to use deluxe supercush 88d bushing on ventures and that made a big difference but nowa days I have frankenstein bushing setup haha
I tried indys and they felt to wobbly and heavy but i liked the height, i tried thunders and i got major wheel bite and felt like i got hung up on grinds. I found my happy spot with destructo d1 mids, to me they are the best parts of both the indys and thunders with none of the down sides to ether. So much grind clearance, they are are slightly higher than indys so no wheel bite, the turn is great and they are not wobbly but have a nice turn.
I think Destructo D1's are a mid point between Indys and Thunders. They can turn even more than Indys. And the axle is located at mid point too. Thunder being further out. And Indys closer to the center of the board. And Destructo's baseplates do stick out, like Indy's. And over the skaters, Dennis Busenitz skates so fast, and rides Thunders. Nick Dompierre used to ride Thunders too.
Your videos are full of great info. Its funny man, i dont really want to skate indys, but they work so well for everything. Thunders limit wheel size, ventures flip, grind and slide good, but dont turn great. Indies flip, slide, grind, and turn the best. Again, i dont even want to skate indys
Thanks, I appreciate all the support. I feel that. Have you tired slappy’s?
@MichaelRelevant yes, they are pretty awesome as well. The washer cuts the top bushing, though. I get super ocd on my setup.
I really liked the video.
And at the same time this must be a first time for me, seing a person argue a point with confirmation bias on both sides of said point.
Gravete, taylor, skates all styles all tarrain in indys, and personally I lock in to grinds on indys pretty well, im a t3chnical skater
Alien Workshop has massive concave
Yeah the thunder guys usually pop more tricks and land cleaner and more steezy, indy guys are more like fast and clean but not much steez, the wobbly land and ride away is real. But it’s one of those things where it’s like do you wanna flow or pop? Thunder for the pop, Indy for the flowing and skating like mark Gonzales
Man, how about of all sizes and mezuarements to skateboarding trucks ? It's crazy. There isn't a only one chart size to all brands.
I'd say give Mini Logo a try if they make a wide enough truck for you. I think 8.75 is their widest. They are sort of right in the middle of Indy and Thunder imo. Pretty stable but not quite as stable as Thunders. Pretty surfy feel but not quite as sharp a turn as Indys. The only issue for many is the height. You'll need risers unless you have tiny wheels. A deal breaker for many. 1/8 if you want close to Thunder height and 1/4 if you want close to Indy height.
back on mini logos after going through mini logo - indy - thunder - royal - ace - indy cycle, lol.
I’ve heard they’re really good. Everyone who skates them loves them.
@@MichaelRelevant they are almost the same as Indy except a bit more squirrely and a low truck.
Jamie Thomas was on mercury and monster trucks and way back in the day he skated whatever the muska skated
I actually don't mind steep boards not gonna lie
..are ACS Trucks still around? Back in the 70s they were the bollocks.. along with Gullwings, but they were expensive and more for posers..
.. also,are Kryptonic wheels still around?..
I've been skating indy's after skating thunder's for years and I can still skate techy very well, if anything I can actually skate tech easier? i don't have my indy's loose, i have my front truck medium and my back truck tight, I just really like how it makes the wheelbase shorter and how much easier grinds are, I'd say the ONLY thing that suffers are my manuals slightly, but it helps me in every other way, so it's a good trade off for me
also yes I can 360 flip WAY easier on an indy than thunders, like night and day, crooks feel about the same
What Indy’s ? Got 139 silver stage 11s for my kid’s setup
update; I'm back on my thunders lmao i can't quit them
Luan is pretty tech on indys brayden hoban is doing alot of flip in stuff hes on indys amd tech thunder riders i think shane and cole theres so many on thunder hard choice
So Luan Oliveria skates for Indy? I was wondering who he Skate skates for because he pops everything so high. That’s kind of what I was talking about when I said in the riders pop trucks and catch them really high. Maybe I should start skating Indy’s more.
@@MichaelRelevant i know he was for a while he even had i think 2 pro trucks for imdy now i dunno if he still is but he does ride a small board like a 7.8 i think amd apperantly its super flat carlos ribiero is on indy also and hes super tech he rides 144 indy mids
I had the unfortunate experience of listening to my favorite skaters when it comes to what trucks to skate on what size deck? Only to find out PROs are more conflicted than us when comes to setup
Hahaha that’s true. Do you listen to old Ben degros videos?
Chris Joslin is pretty tech, Andrew Reynolds, I think Aurelien Girard from Plan B (I know I'm probably butchering the spelling of his name)
I'm 40 and just got back on a skate after 20 years. When I was young all we skated was Grind Kings and now that GK is making new trucks I'm interested to see if they are as good as I remember them being.
When I got my first set up this year, I had Indy's and they are great but I recently got MiniLogo trucks and I'm really enjoying them.
Has any one ridden on new or even old GK's ?? What's your opinion ?
Also doesn't Dan Corrigan skate Indy's? Don't think he is a team member but he def does not skate the way that you said most indy skaters do.
Yeah, I skate the same truck as Dan Corrigan and Chris from Powell. Yeah, he’s definitely tech. I’ve skated grind kings, new and old. They’re pretty good like thunder but they turn worse.
Peace, i think your thinking too much into the rabit hole you got going in your head lol all good bro im stoned ✌🏻💨 dope video
Louie Lopez rides indys and his skating is tech sometimes
Yeah, I put him in the video. He’s really good. I guess it’s not really that they’re not tech it’s that they have that in the style where they swerve a little bit before and after their tricks they pop things higher. So Indy and ace are harder to do tricks on but when you do the tricks, they look better.
I think Tom Penny skated for Indy and he's the goat, but I like Thunders
Hey Michael. I bought 139 silver stage indy’s for my 11yo old kid’s setup ( 8.0 quasi spitfire 54mm f4 ). Do you think it is a good setup ? Is it heavy or bad for him ? He is trying to land a kickflip
Everyone is different and people can get used to any variation in weight. It might be easier with a smaller lighter set up to learn to kickflip.
@@MichaelRelevant thanks
Tyler Surrey, Carlos Ribero, Tiago Lemos, Gustav T skates indy
I think a lot of the more tech guys on indy skate the mids, like carlos ribeiro and thiago lemos 🤔
It makes sense. I’ve been skating the mids and they do feel pretty tech.
i swear all the boards they ride are based off the 90s/00s shapes i grew up with, like they're stuck in the past. not saying that's a bad thing, feels more like an observation where the industry moved on/changed and they stuck with something that worked for them since then. i'm larger than average, so i always hated those shapes with short mellow tails, no concave, tiny wheelbases because i've found out that for my size, i need a board i can put a lot of weight & energy into; i like big steep tails, good concave, big wheelbase for my height. i do concede that most of those small, flat pro setups are actually objectively the closest you can get to physically perfect though, like literally how the physics of skateboarding works. me though, i'm never straying from my indy 159s, so everything else is built around those.
What about The Boss?
I’ve skated with him once. I feel like these days, he skates, a lot of demos. He jumps down things. So he’ll sit around at the demo for a while and then he’ll do a front side flip off the biggest thing at the park. He has that little Squirrley turn at the end after landing a frontside flip. The guy from Powell Peralta the met with me sit Andrew Reynolds skates dragon wheels exclusively now. He could be wrong, but that’s what he told me. It makes sense for the kind of stuff he skates. He’s pretty tech though but he dose skate like an Indy guy. This video is hard to understand because it’s about a feeling that I have.
I don't really think thunder or indie base their teams around how the skaters skate, just the best skaters they can get. Same with the skaters, they just take whichever sponsor is gonna treat them the best or pay them the most money. Like for instance thunder recently did a Collab with frog and also gave two of their skaters a pro truck. Frog has the most surfy, cruisy, mellow skaters out there but that doesn't really fit the "tech god" thunder rider. Just like Jacopo on ACE, hes a super tech god skating the surfiest trucks out. Theres more examples, but you get the idea. They take what they can get.
Yeah they just naturally fall into place like that.
Thunders has more pop than indys?
What about Ace trucks. I feel like there really light.
They might actually be the heaviest out there. Try slappy.
Tom knox
Dan Corrigan skates Indy 159, he's a tech skater more than anything. It all depends on your perference, yes Thunders and Ventures are better for tech Linear skating but it doesn't mean they are versatile like Indy, which is a all around type fo truck and great for transition skating (due to its turning geometry) which Thunders and Ventures are not known for. Also you can still ride Indys super tight and still get a good turn if you lean into it but you can't say that about Thunder and Ventures riding loose, it all comes down to the turning geometry of the truck and what you perfer or what type of skating you do more..
Also when you said Thunders lock in more than Indys, you're probably talking about the metal on the hangers, Thunder is known to be soft while Indys are hard and durable, Ace is buttery soft for grinds and Ventures is hard as rocks.
True I think I mentioned Dan Corrigan in the video. I skate in the 159 as well in most of my recent videos.
@@MichaelRelevant 159 8.75 is what I ride also 149 8.5 truck weight difference is close to none but you get a wider truck and I don't skate tech or do flips why I don't ride Thunders.. I have a set of 149 Thunders hollow lights on a 8.25 but I don't skate that board anymore lol cause I rather skate park and transition and go fast on my other decks 8.5 or 8.75.. like I said what trucks you ride and use is a matter of preference and purpose kind of like what's the best tool for the job..
And now he's skating thunder haha
You sounds like you need harder bushings on your Indy.
Chris Colburn is pretty tech on indys
Yeah, I put him in the video. He’s really good. I guess it’s not really that they’re not tech it’s that they have that in the style where they swerve a little bit before and after their tricks they pop things higher. So Indy and ace are harder to do tricks on but when you do the tricks, they look better.
I had a clip saying he was the most tech guy on Indy. I was going to play more of his review. Then after I did the outro, I remembered, Chris Haslam skates for Indy.
Indy sice 1991.😌 Variflex, Ventures and Gullwings before that.😛
I am skating thunder titaniums 148 they are greaaaaaaat
I’m currently skating thunders again
@@MichaelRelevanti’ve been skating for 20 + years i’ve always liked indy’s/thunder,
I tried other trucks like tensors they suck, i tried ventures they weren’t bad idk how they are now, i remember orions back in the day they weren’t bad at all, i do want to try the new ace hollows, hollow or titaniums for life
Chris Haslam skates more technical and rides Indy’s
This is a super mixed up post. Talking too much but not being clear and seems to be a lot of contradiction..
What we can take from this is .. just use whichever you feel comfortable with.. 🤷🏼♂️🤦🏼
Louie Lopez skates indy’s but he skates like a thunder guy 😅
But watch his style. Indy guys look like they skate loose trucks.
@@MichaelRelevant what about Leo Romero? Im not givin up hahaha
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159 independent with hard bushings on 8.8 because I'm an autistic sloppy incel.
Hahaha or just larger than average.
I skate ace
eric koston tiago lemos indy
Yeah, but can you see the different styles from people who skate Indy’s and people who skate thunders? I have a video after this one when I start skating indys again, and I do feel like I could do a lot of tech tricks. They were the 159 forged hollow, inverted kingpin. Those trucks are pretty tech.
mhm i feel higher off the ground and more carvy and rock solid on indy, and thunder is danty and tech and nimble @@MichaelRelevant