4WD Tyres Explained - 33s Vs 35s ( Pro's & Con's )
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- When talking 4WD tyres 33s Vs 35s Which tyres will best suit you?
Does the size of your 4WD tyres matter? 33s Vs 35s Let’s have a chat about both 4WD tyres and compare the two.
What size 4WD tyres should you consider?
That question I’m often asked about.
What size 4WD tyres should I have fitted?
Firstly, I think you need to consider the style of four wheel driving you are planning to drive. (Mud, Deep Ruts, Bog Holes, Touring etc)
I this video I talk about the pro’s and con’s for both 4WD tyres 33s Vs 35s.
Have a think about the points covered in this video, and hopefully it will help you decide between the two different 4WD tyre sizes before you go out and have a set fitted on your 4WD.
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Each to their own really.
I want my car set up so that I can do the weekend fun trips to the watagans or my local beaches or drive up to Fraser for a week, or into the bush or into the snow, etc. So personally for me 33s on 2 inch lift on my GU is the perfect balance between reliability (paramount), fuel usage, cost and availability of spares.
I could go 35s and a 4 inch lift but wheres the fun in that (unless you're doing insane rock steps every weekend it's not going to perform as well as 33s. Plus having 33s and a 2 inch lift makes you pick your lines and actually drive the car instead of floating over most obstacles.
4wd'ing is like fishing - You can make it as easy or as hard as you want, as long as you're having fun though, but you should strive to find that happy medium that suits your style.
G'day Nick,
Great reply mate.
Absolutely, it's each to their own.
How you decide to set up you 4wd with suspension and tyre size, is totally up to you and the set up that best suits the terrain you like to drive.
33's have got me everywhere I've needed from them for years. I'll stick with that size.
Thanks heaps mate for your reply.
Cheers Tim.
Love my 2002 Nissan patrol I’ve got 33”s on my big rig they go great and still look tuff
Top stuff mate.
33's work really well, thats for sure.
Cheers Tim.
Got rid of the big Mickey Thompson 35s on my 1hz troopy, put the standard skinny 33s and rims from the new troopy on it. Increase in power, performance, braking and ability is incredible. Doesn’t look tough but hey, she’ll go almost anywhere that I want. Mr Toyota knew what he was doing.
G'day Bill,
Yeah the bigger 35s do look great.
But, maybe not so practicable when it comes to on and off road.
Thanks heaps for your reply mate.
Cheers Tim.
Tim Bates 4wd Adventures thanks Tim, just looked at your channel and will subscribe. I’m in WA now but grew up in Vic driving my BJ47 shorty around the high country during the 80s.
I still have the original skinnies on my Troopy and I love the utilitarian look. Did you see an increase in stability with wider tyres on yours? I have a 2” lift plus the AluCab roof, so a bit more weight on top than the normal roof - 80kg to be exact. Am thinking of putting some wider 33”s on so that it feels a bit more stable!
My petrol 80 has been running on 35s for over 10 years now. MTRs since 2001. It sits on an engineered 3” lift but I couldn’t get it signed off on the 35s. Passed every lane and braking tests but he couldn’t do it. He passed the Safari turbo kit too. Has upgraded rotors, hoses and fully maintained callipers and stops well. New genuine steering box and pump. Full service history including parts used and so on. 😬 Nearly every part is OEM except the std stuff. It’s an alcohol but has never broken down and a keeper to me. I’ve really enjoyed watching your videos Tim and hope to bump into you one day.
G'day John,
The MTR's a great tyre. I have also been running them for the past 4 years.
Sounds like you have a well set up 80 mate. Getting 35's passed by an engineer, can sometimes be a problem.
Thanks heaps mate for your reply and feedback on my channel.
Cheers Tim.
I run 35s for years on gu patrol,recently had a lot things done n whilst engine being done n three inch lift ,I let rego run out ,n after everything done had mod played n rwc went to licensing centre ,they wonted to go through truck first ,after hour they said all done n passed ,I question 35s n they stated no they legal n inside flares n then I payed for rego,n point 35s do not effect wheel bearings ,what does is how deep offset of rims are ...
@@timbates4wdadventures I definitely can't complain about them. Great touring tyre. It's nothing ott but it's taken us on so many trips and always got us home. It's a petrol version so pretty thirsty but flies being turbo'd now. You've just got to do the maintenance and try not to break things driving them hey. ;-)
John Koniw
Yeah spot on mate.
Look after it is the go.
Cheers Tim.
G'day Tim.
Insurance issues are a major risk when running tyre diameters greater than the 1 inch or 5% of standard diameter. The dual cab utes and mid size wagons like Prado, Everest and Pajero have 31 inch standard. That means to stay strictly legal you are limited to 32 inch (275 65 x 18 or 275 70 x 17), although 33 inch (285 65 18 or 285 70 17) would probably be okay if clearances are adequate. But I would be squirming if making an insurance claim. My Fortuner will only take 32 inch anyway because of really small guard clearances (the 2 inch lift doesn't help).
G'day Garry,
Thats right mate what you say about going to big in tyre diameter, the legal issues that can come with it.
Thanks heaps for your reply mate.
Cheers Tim.
Pretty sure it’s 2” larger in diameter your aloud .. wich gives you roughly 1” of clearance
Hey Tim,
This is a great topic to cover and always causes lots of debate. I'm in a 79 dual cab that came stock with 265/70R16 which equates roughly to a 30.5x10.5 tyre. I'll be chucking a set of 255/85R16 (33x10) on it in the very near future. I know they're not a particularly common tyre size, but I don't often head much further afield than the Vic high country.
Cheers for the video!
G'day Matt,
Yeah mate, it's a widely talked about topic, thats why i thought it would be great to make a video on the topic.
There's been some great feedback from a lot of people.
Thanks for your reply mate and your feedback.
Cheers Tim.
Thank You so much; answered all my questions very well. I was in decision about how much to go up. Going tomorrow to get my 33s a 2 inch lift and new wheels. ✌
Gday mate
That’s great you found the video helpful.
33s on 2in lift is ample for a lot of off road driving.
35s have there problems as I mentioned.
Cheers Tim
Two things that werent covered are; bigger tyres than 285/75/16 aka 33's will put more load on the brakes on and off road so brake upgrades may be needed, also the cost of 33's is big enough yet alone 35's and 35's on a Patrol GU will mean more work to make them fit and track corrctly... So stick to 33's and 2" lift to start with and see how your performance goes... Buy a quality tyre too if you can like Mickey MTZ p3 or BFG's, I've had two sets of Mickey MTZ p3 33's and love them
Missed by 9 minutes but getting closer, great talk. Thinking off gear ratios, speedo calibration. I,m pondering on the idea of fitting double rims on the rear of my Jeep as the track is narrower than the front. Thank you Tim, always a joy listening.
G'day mate,
If you are going to the bigger tyres, well worth doing it right with the list you have mentioned.
Thanks for your reply and feedback mate.
Cheers Tim.
Just recently started watching your CZcams vids, I own a 2.8 1998 and now a zd30 2002, the 98 has 411 thousand kms and the zd30 has 328 thousand, bought the zd30 with minor issues just got to spend 3 grand on in but happy with buy, the zd30 has all receipts dating back to 2011 30 grand spent on it, mostly upgrades and services every few months, it has brand new 33’s on it, the 98 is going to go to a new patrol owner, Although the 98 took me from Perth to brissy and thru the centre back to Perth by myself I might add, the patrol I’d have to say is the most reliable car anyone could have if they look after it, my way back from brissy to Perth I got underneath fixed a few issues did a all oils and liquids, I think you should do a prep vid if you haven’t already, meaning preparing for a long distance trip, the only issue I had on a long distance trip was the maf got dusty and I had a can of maf cleaner and it worked a treat, when on long distance runs I tend to spend a few bucks extra and drop into the take diesel injector cleaner
G'day mate,
The Patrol is a great touring 4WD. They so comfortable and capable for on and off road.
Thats great you have a top run out of your Patrols.
Keep the services up is the key for sure.
Thanks for your reply and feedback mate. I hope you enjoy the videos on my channel.
Cheers Tim.
Thanks, out of curiosity, what type of things do you need to spend the 3k on? I will be inheriting a 2001 ZD30 patrol 225,000 km very soon.
@@chilloutvibesforyou
G'day Roy,
what are you wanting to spend $3k on?
Cheers Tim
@@timbates4wdadventures Hi Tim, I was asking Patrol98traveller what he was spending it on :)
@@chilloutvibesforyou Ahh no worries mate.
If i could run 35's legally and be insured i would, would regear the diffs and never look back, but 33's more than get the job done, km3s have done well so far. I just like the idea of clearance, keep the diffs up high, with a modest 2 or 3 inch lift to match to keep the center of gravity reasonable
In saying all that, if i was doing a lap around australia id stick to 33's
Jarrod
Gday mate,
Changing gear ratios is the best way to go with 35s.
It’s a pity 35s cause issues with insurance companies.
Yeah, same I wouldn’t travel Australia on 35s.
33s are plenty for most places.
Thanks a lot for your replies.
Cheers Tim.
Patrols with 3L ZD30 on 35 brings the rpm down to around 2000-2100rpm at 110kph. The max torque with a ZD30 is made between 1800-2100rpm, this aswell is the engines economy sweet spot....so at 110, your now cruising at 800rpm less rpm.
At 12L /100km, 4cyl x 800rpm div by 3000ml (3L) = 3.75ml (per 60 sec/per min/ R PM)
3.75ml x 60min = 2.25L
A ZD30 that does approx 12L/100km will use approx 2.25L more diesel phr,..driving at 2800rpm compaired to with 35s doing 2000rpm..
The Enforcer007
Gday mate,
Wicked reply.
Thanks for that with the attached stats.
Cheers Tim.
Long story short bigger the circumference of the tire less revolutions is less wear on the tire
Man, the fun police is in full force out there on modifications ay?
I'm starting with 33s on our current rig. I I will probably have to build a dedicated crawler, out here 40s are quickly becoming the standard (we live near the king of the hammers course).
Gday mate,
Yeah 33s are plenty big enough tyres for what I’m doing
40s are massive tyres.
Cheers Tim
Another great vid batesy! Missed the live stream by 22 mins the other day, I'll make it on time one day!
G'day mate,
Thats all cool mate. Drop in on one if you get the time.
Cheers Batesy.
I’m very happy with the 305s I put on my Patrol, would be silly if I went a 35
G'day David,
Thats it mate, stick with what you have.
Cheers Tim.
Anyone who says 35s get better fuel economy than 33s on the same vehicle don't understand physics, end of story. My 3l CRD Patrol runs on 33 Nitto Trails, and it uses more fuel than when I run it on 32 ATs. On 35s it would use more, don't care what anyone mistakenly believes. However, if I installed 4.88 diffs with the 35s, it would reduce fuel use against the 4.3 gears, but would never use less. You read the declarations of ignorance about 35s use less, but if that were true why would they then use 33s for towing???????? Clearly because of the extra engine load of the 35s making towing unpleasant. More engine load = more fuel use. Anyhow, unless you run a Y62 Patrol, 35s are not legal - 33s are the perfect size for the GU, and are legal and insurable, and don't impact fuel use too much, but do need a brake improvement to at least some decent rotors and pads.
G'day Ein,
Yeah, I've never heard of anyone getting better fuel econ on 35's compared to the smaller 33's.
Great reply from you mate.
Some great detail in your stats.
Thanks heaps for that mate.
Cheers Tim.
Are you taking into account that a 35 has a bigger circumference therefore each revolution covers more distance? If youre just using the factory odometer to calculate distance travelled then your figures will be off when calculating L/100km. A 35 will take approx 359 revolutions to cover 1km and a 33 is approx 380 revolutions. Now considering a patrol does not come out with a 33” which is what the odometer was calibrated for, your actual L/100km will be even more inaccurate if you are using the vehicles factory odometer to do your figures.
@@mdbacolod When I run the 32" I multiply the odo mileage by 1.07 and for 33" 1.10 to correct the distance travelled. So yes, I allow for it.
Ein Felder ok, so what is the actual fuel consumption increase? Alot of people dont take that into consideration, i totally agree that 35s do increase fuel consumption due to the extra unsprung weight but they also miscalculate how much by.
@@mdbacolod Can't answer that. My Patrol with 32 and no roof rack returned 10.1L/100 on a round trip from Melbourne to Sydney, up the Hume and back around the coast. Simpson crossing was 17L/100, fully loaded with stuff on the roof. Mostly average 13-15 on 33s round the suburbs, and weekends into the High Country. Towing the Van is 15-17L/100 on 32s. My opinion is, if you are concerned about your fuel use, you vehicle is wrong for you. Like those who buy a Euro car and whinge when it requires 98 - My other car is a GTI which has always had 98 and uses between 6.5 on a cruise and 12 when I use it like it was intended :)
THANK YOU FOR DETAIL VIDEO AS GET LISTING ABOUT TYRE SIZE
LOVE ISUZU 300 4X4 CREW CAB RIDE ON 33IN GO TO SINGLE WHEELS GO UP TO 37IN
G'day Robert,
Thanks for your reply and feedback mate.
Cheers Tim.
GREAT topic everything is a balance 👍🤠
G'day mate,
Yeah, it's a popular topic thats for sure.
Thanks for your reply mate.
Cheers Tim.
Buy a Patrol Y62 33 in tyres standard can get 35s on with standard suspension argument done mate
G'day mate,
Is that right.
There you go 35's without the other issues.
How's you 62 going?
Cheers Tim.
Tim Bates 4wd Adventures Only 6000k in so early days put a set of BFG K02 in original size on its extremely capable cant see the need for 35s As a tourer will take me every where I want to go with 400HP getting me there ! Ant to answer the question in your head it’s in the same ball park as my 16 200 Sahara LC was in terms of fuel consumption though I’m not towing but at full weight allowance for vehicle. And have I mentioned that’s it’s comfortable.
My X-Trail wants to be a Patrol when it grows up lol.
G'day Phillip,
Good luck with that happening mate Lol
Cheers Tim.
Time to upgrade from the boys 4x4 to the men’s 4x4
@@patrol98traveller41 Do agree but mine does the job it's needed for. An upgrade would be good though.
Cheers Tim! Great perspectives.
G'day mate,
Thanks for your feedback, im glad you found the video helpful.
Cheers Tim.
Wow. Such excellent practical info. Thanks very much Tim.
No worries mate.
Thanks a lot for your reply and feedback, I do appreciate it.
Cheers Tim.
Thanks for another great video and sharing your knowledge with us really helpful mate,
What about the rims size, will it make a big difference I was deciding between 16” or 17” steel rims for my GU patrol with 33” tyres. Right now I am running factory 17” factory alloy. Is it better to get 17” steel wheel?
Please suggest?
Thanks
G'day mate,
I took my 17in alloys off right from day one. I now have 16in steel wheels on.
Big benefits with 16in over 17in tyres. You get a much bigger side wall in a 16in tyre over a 17in tyre.
Plus, 16in tyres are cheaper, generally around a $100 per tyre.
Im running 16in wheels with 33in tyres. 285x75x16. Great combination.
Hope that helps mate.
Thanks for your reply.
Cheers Tim
I'm running 35s as 33s look to small on my 76 series plus extra clearance under the leafs
G'day Chris,
Yeah 35's do fit nicely under the 76 Series. Top stuff mate.
Cheers Tim.
Hey mate, I bought a patrol second hand a while back and am only just getting around to dropping the suspension and trying to make it all legal. Atm it's on 35s with 4.1 diff gears and an upgraded 5th gear for towing according to the previous owner. On the freeway the revs are up a bit high, I'm just wondering if you know anything about the 4.1s and if me switching to 33s will solve that issue? I've read 33s and 4.1s are a good combo on an old forum but I know nothing about gearboxes and or diff ratios to make an assumption. I'll be getting my 4wd mechanic to look at it soon but I'm curious to hear what your thoughts on this are. Cheers mate
Gday Josh,
That’s great you have yourself a Patrol.
I’d say the 4.1 gears went in because of the bigger 35s.
I would have thought if you changed down to 33s, it would rev a lot harder.
Could be wrong mate.
See what your mechanic says.
Thanks for your reply mate.
Cheers Tim.
They really are a great car, all my mates tried to warn me about them being unreliable but I've never had any over heating issues ever. No regrets
I'm guessing you haven't touched your high range gears (4.3 from what I've read)? Would you recommend going back to the factory 4.3 if you're happy with your set up and rev range? Or is there anything you would do differently when running 33s?
12L/100 is good, I've honestly never measured my mileage but I own a 4.2 so I'd expect a different result
Thanks for your time mate, much appreciated
@@JoshSinnott97 yeah my diff gears are standard.
Works well with my 33s.
Mate, mine has done 340000ks and still going well.
Yeah I get mid to high 13s for my fuel range.
I’m really happy with that.
Thanks for your time mate, really appreciate it. Some shops just tell you what you want to hear to get more money from you so it's good to hear an honest opinion
I might have to keep my ear to the ground and look into the 23% low range reduction gears if you're talking so highly of them
That's actually really good considering most of your kms will be off road. Definitely crushing some bad stereotypes some people might have about the zd30
I might have to look into doing a fuel economy comparison with and without 35s for my own peace of mind 😊
The reality is you dont need lifts and tyres for most situations . The benefit is really fairly minor compared with the cost . Unless ..... you insist in picking the most ridiculous line and deepest holes to drive through . Anything bigger than 33 is a waste of money imo - Ive never heard of anybody not getting to the cape because they didnt have 35 inch tyres .
Gday Doug,
Yeah mate, I’m not a big fan of 35s at all.
You sure don’t need them for a lot of off road driving.
33s have always done me. Plenty big enough.
Thanks for your feedback mate.
Cheers Tim.
But 33's are lame ;)
I do see the reasons for 33's, but once you experience the offroad performance gains from 35's you will never want to go back.
Yeah i hear your point mate. But i'll still stick with my 33s.
Cheers Tim.
see ya soon tim
“I’m insured” people say when running 35’s, lol
Phil McAvity it’s a argument I have with people on social media all the time. They just won’t listen.
D T I’m hearing ya! I wish one of these CZcamsrs would make a 10/15 minute video specifically on the legality of running 35’s without an engineers certificate, so I could reference it in my social media arguments lol.
why no one mention 37 and 40 as they are alot more common then they used to be, and 37 looks like a 33 on a defender :)
That Garage
Because 33s & 35s are used a lot.
One is a legal size on most 4wds. And the other isn’t unless engineered.
I don’t know many at all using 37s and 40s.
Cheers Tim.
Hey Tim Im thinking of getting a gu patrol, are they good to get
G'day Dylan,
I really like my Patrol mate.
I have a video about my run with the motor in my Patrol.
'They are a great 4WD.
Thanks for your reply mate.
Cheers Tim.
GU means Greatest Under the sun!
@@kaneharnden4015 They go pretty good thats for sure.
Awesome car get one !
Kane Harnden hA hA never heard that one it’s a gooden
Can a 35" fits 2"lift on a ranger
G'day mate,
You would probably be pushing i reckon to get 35s under it without scrubbing around corners.
See what the tyre shops reckon.
Cheers Tim.
a larger rolling mass needs bigger brakes
I ran DBA T2 discs for 10 years and now on a new set of T3s, braided lines all round, re built OEM calipers all round and passed engineering braking tests fully loaded easily on 35s. I had it's 3" lift, Turbo kit and GVM upgraded to 3535 kg. It actually handled better on 35s during lane change tests than it did on stock radials. Interesting day watching a bunch of different vehicles being tested. I've stacked as much as i can in my favor but 35s just aren't legal.
Thank u so much....
No worries at all.
Im glad that you found the video helpful.
Thanks for your reply and feedback.
Cheers Tim.
Hey Tim I think that I saw you at howitt hut over the long weekend I was In the group that was the first to talk to you and I was with that guy that was wearing shorts on zeka spur track, how do people get to join on trips
G'day Dylan,
Yeah mate, i remember you guys.
How could i forget the two guys from NZ with shorts and thongs on. Lol
Great having a chat with you guys.
Cheers Tim.
@@timbates4wdadventures hey tim what time is the new video going to be out
Dylan Moncrieff
Gday mate,
The next new video will be up on Monday night at 6.30pm.
I have 37s for Menai 33 for Victorian high country as I have to drive from Sydney phils_Toyota
Yeah cool mate.
Best of both options with those tyre sizes.
Cheers Tim.
good evening tim
G'day Jim,
Thanks for jumping on mate.
Cheers Tim.
dont forget gear ratios
I wouldn't recommend 35s if you are not comfortable and capable of changing the tire. It's heavier and more awkward than it looks.
Gday mate,
Great tip about the weight of 35s.
Thanks for that.
Cheers Tim
35s more trouble than they're worth
Master Ruseman
They sure can be mate.
Cheers Tim
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