I Explored China’s Failed $100 Billion City In Malaysia
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Forest City in Malaysia - China's $100 Billion City in Malaysia
In southern Malaysia, right next to Singapore, there is a city called Forest City. It's built by China's largest property developer Country Garden with a budget of over $100 Billion Dollar. The plan was to built a futuristic, green and smart city. A few years later, Forest City is empty and a ghost town, according to many media reports. But is that really the case? Did China's city in Malaysia failed? I traveled to Malaysia to visit Forest City and find out. Join me as we explore this Chinese city in Malaysia and investigate if it's really an empty ghost town or actually a livable place? Let's see what's going on in Forest City, Malaysia.
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I remember when they builth Shanghai ...it was called a ghost city too. NOT ANYMORE. Give these cities a decade and it will be very busy. China has 1.5 Billion people. 700,000 still need to be moved to middle-class. PLENTY OF GROWTH REMAINING!
@@KenAbroad Am loving your first episode of your new series, "Chinese related places all around South East Asia" ...very knowledgeable and informative. GREAT job, Ken. You are an excellent content creator.
So, where are you now? I was expecting to see more videos from you in South Korea but it appears you went back to China in the last one and now in Malaysia? I am a bit confused.
I am in Johor Bahru now...any chance of meeting up ?
You must be the first German visitor likely first European visitor to the island. Great video!
Not sure if you are aware of the followng: In general, foreigners can't buy property in Malaysia for less than RM1 million (about USD 235,000) in most states, but there are some exceptions. For example, in some states like Melaka, Negeri Sembilan, Kedah, Penang, Perlis, Sabah, or Sarawak, the minimum purchase price may be RM2 million. In addition, the MM2H visa program may allow foreigners to purchase property with different price caps and loan facilitations. Of corse, there are properties less than RM500k, but we are not allowed to buy them, the government does not want foreigners to jet up the price for the locals.
It's a nice city for an introvert so far.. personally I love it.
For now you see people around before not single soul.
Introvert here. I want place with not many people, haha.
welcome back to Malaysia Ken..tiada masalah
Always good to be back in Malaysia 💪
Tiada masalah 😅
@@KenAbroad the asam boi fan! :D
@@bboysjb asam boi not asam girl😄😄
Selamat datang to Malaysia Ken.What a surprise to see you here in the Forest City exploring the vast project and a brilliant idea to show us around too.Yes see for yourself first hand rather than hearing from the different perspective of the social media.Will be waiting for your next city exploration.Cheers!💕🇲🇾
This place looks like a piece of development from China - long term plans that people without vision cannot comprehend.
Many "ghost cities" in China years ago are today bustling & vibrant. Unlike unplanned cities that can be haphazard, the long term planning produces neat & very organised infrastructures for comfortable living.
Also, this place is like it's targeted for the growing China middle class and for foreign investments from Singapore to the local property market.
Seems the Johor sultanate have always been able to look ahead of their times.
No he is not
@@mrj475 and if I say, yes he is? Shouldn't you at least say why he is not?
It does not look like a failed city - it is clean, great infrastructure, plenty to do. It will be full of inhabitants in the near future. Great video!
If the price is right. But at current price, ordinary Malaysians couldn’t afford it.
1st, they must improve security in JB
2nd, build infrastructure and provide public transport
3rd, remove corruption
Etc....
ahahahaha, it has been there for many years. it was corrupted by the chyniz
it's clean because it's new. Maintenance of such big area is not cheap and if they won't attract the area for more people it can turn dirty very fast.
again sub human iq take
Ken, I like your honest review rather than exaggerated videos of many vloggers...that's the beauty of your videos ❤
🤣🤣 whatever Wumao
@@willsmith39 Your tears are delicious.
@@willsmith39😂do yourself a favor - Liked yr own comment 🎉😂
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@@mazin9193You guys always make it obvious 🤣Everytime I see someone call out an obvious Wumao, no one denies anything and y'all just say the same silly insults. At least try making ti less obvious
Yes many people called it ghost town. It is busy on the weekends as johoreans and Singaporeans visit the place. I believe the special economic zone includes forest city.😊
Very easy to revive this place for Singaporeans, put in a huge mall with beauty, massage parlors and food, surround the place with car workshops and car wash and even more food and that is an instant formula to attract them.
Never make mistake by following media blindly. Iskandar Forest was built during Pandemic period that was affected by constant lockdown in China and led to uptake of buyers from abroad. Same thing with apmt buildings in Sihanoukeville Cambodia and also in the China itself due to slow recovery post Pandemic and uncertainty over ongoing US-China trade war.
and do u know if the prices have gone up/recovered significantly after the "covid" time?
it's going down, and the builder ,Green garden,was on the edge of bankruptcy, but ccp was preventing this happening@@carstensanonym7527
CCP funded propaganda
Forest City was *not* built during pandemic.
In fact, its apartments were sold out years before the pandemic. So, not sure how the sales could be affected by lockdowns........
The only known effect of lockdowns is most buyers could not go there to stay, and no foreigner could enter the country to rent there.
LOL, "US-China trade war" is impacting China's CONSTRUCTION players? What is Country Garden and Evergrande has to do with exports? Wumaos and their fake narratives! 😄
I like this kind of videos. They are interesting explorations👍
tq good jobs ken and welcome back to the country that you started as a You tuber
Always happy to be back in Malaysia, indeed the country where I got my first few thousands subscribers 🙏
Thanks for showing us Ken. It looks great, but as you say, in five years or so it will be a much busier place. It’s so lush and green and peaceful ! It will be interesting to watch what happens. 🙏🏼🐨
Hello Ken,
I stay in Johor, and honestly, Forest City is my favorite place here because I can access beautiful views from the balcony and admire the architecture around the city. Yes, it's really expensive for locals to stay here because we're not their main target. I have a lot of friends who live in Forest City, and I've been to their houses a few times. All I can say is, AMAZING. I don't know about other people, but as an introvert, I would consider staying here. However, the downside is the lack of a transportation system around this city. There's no shuttle.
Pls be informed that there is a shuttle bus in the forest to run through sunway big and bukit indah. Besides, there is also a public bus to Singapore. You can find these information through the official website of the forest city
The place is actually beautifully built. The problem, from what I know, is when the project was signed, the Malaysian government allowed foreigners to buy property. So Garden City targeted mainland Chinese for those working in Singapore and staying in Malaysia. However, the previous prime minister of Malaysia Tun Dr. Mahathir bin Mohamad tightened the residency law and buyers of Forest City will not obtain long-term residenship. While local Malaysians mostly consider the place too expensive for their living standard, that made the setback of selling. Now Anwar changed the law and shown support for the project, it should be restarted again soon. Correct me if I am wrong.
mathey destroys everything except his v deep pockets
Thank you very much for sharing this cool tour of Forest City, a place which l haven't visited even though l do visit my youngest sister and family who stay in Johor Baru. To be honest, she hasn't been there too 😃 Well, Forest City is in fact a very nice, modern and quiet place with lush greenery around. The properties there are way too expensive. Anyway, l'm pretty sure this city will flourish in the near future. Your hotel room is cozy, spacious and comfortable with a beautiful ocean view from the balcony. As always, another great video with great content... informative and fun to watch. Bravo, Ken.
It’s not abandoned, but rather it’s just underpopulated for now..
yes... just like Detroit.
On August 25, 2023, Malaysian Prime Minister Anwar Ibrahim declared that Forest City would be included within the Iskandar Malaysia Economic Zone as a Special Financial Zone to enhance its competitiveness.
Aug 23, 2024: The Star news:
GG56 Korea to invest US$1bil in Forest City to develop Malaysia’s first K-culture town
No K crap please??? Build a normal town
Not entirely 100% owned/funded by the mainland developer.. It's a JV project between the Chinese developer and the Sultan of Johor state (currently the supreme head of Malaysia) Don't worry he will have his own plans 😊
Yes
Now Johor Sultan ruling, I believe he would make it better gradually
@@ronniechoo173 They already make the first move by opening duty free shops.. Now Forest City is classified as JSEZ under the MM2H visa requirements.. Lastly there are rumors of a big project which can rival Genting Casinos
The Malay government restricted visas somehow to stop this place from becoming a chinese enclave
The malaysian govt like to flip their policies like prata, Forest city is the victim. Hope the new king will make things right and better still, secede from Malaysia federal govt.
I have stayed in the hotel for a few time. I love staying there for a holiday. Just relaxing and chilling in my hotel room. Because of the greenery, the air is fresher there.
Ken's videos are great for picking up travel tips, discovering new destinations, and getting inspired for your next adventure.
Thanks, Ken, for this wonderful video. This place would be lovely as a holiday home 🏡
Thanks for watching 🙏
Thanks for the video dude. Cleared the clouds for me.
Though called abandon city/ghost city, the town re so well kept and look so peaceful. The greens and peaceful vibes remind me of Taiping but more modern. Give it few more years to develop it will be a great city to live in
That upkeep costs money. Without the buyers to fund those monthly fees, maintenance, security, and other services will begin to fall by the wayside. The developer was funding those costs out of pocket to maintain the illusion because it would be impossible to sell units if they place becomes derelict, but now it's in bankruptcy court after it defaulted on interest payments in October 2023.
Developments such as these depend on people buying off-plan, i.e. before ground is broken and whilst construction is on going. The longer a developer goes without pre-completion sales and their down payments, the higher its own marketing costs, maintenance costs, and interest costs.
wow, can't believe you find it,so interesting
Actually a few months ago i already saw a few western youtubers already record it now one by one follow it to gain viewers by the title
@@yunytotoro7184propably the ccp invited a few CZcamsrs to boost the popularity of forest City after China is struggeling to recover from it's intense covid restrictions
Oh my goodness, I heard a lot about this " Ghost City/ China's failed City" but this is the first time I have a good look of it thru this video.
I thiught it was just a concrete dump but WOW it is quite amazing. Never realised such a grand plan in Malaysia.
But I do agree that the 2 bedroom apartment at RMB1 Million is too much. But for a prepare cool city, this one is rather nice.
I hope Malaysia all the vrry best and keep rising & developing.
Satu bangda, satu suara, satu negara.❤
A nice and great video. Thanks a lot for the valuable information
Unfortunately the MCO which was caused by the covid 19 shut down but now slowly things are getting better and definitely will pick up again in the near future.
Good job you debunk the negative vloggers who dont even been there.
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
China's clamp down on citizens investing overseas also hurt.
Thanks for showing parts of diff country which not many youtubers show
Thank you, Ken for your video. Will be there soon to enjoy the beach and delicious Malaysian food. Was there last year just missed the forest city.
The project was a speculative development which is owned by Country Garden and the Johor Government. Like many speculative investments this one has not quite turned out as expected. It was intended to be marketed almost exclusively to mainland Chinese who wanted overseas investments but then both the Chinese and Malaysian governments moved to restrict Chinese investment in Malaysia! This is why the shops and staff were largely Chinese speaking.
Thank you Ken for showing me the real story about Forest City. I am very impressed with the very well maintained gardens, roads, security, green spaces, beaches, shops etc. I was all this while thinking that the place was abandoned like many of the downtown areas in American cities. The western mass media including those in Australia really really know how to do fake stories.
Thank you again because you have helped me to stop looking for the true story.
Just a correction -- Singaporeans do not visit forest city at all because it is a dying project. Most people will not invest in such a project. You should go to other parts where a built mall is not in use. Go look at other videos. Do your research. If you are sponsored by Forest City, please declare. Thanks
Ken is an utter idiot what an utter amateurish report
Great comment. Felt very sick after watching this video, all the disinformation.
In Johor, the weekends are on Friday and Saturday. Most probably those people at the beach are either Singaporeans or out of state tourists.
Welcome back ken
Love this video! It is such an interesting place. Never seen a place like this.
Ken
You have produced a good video about Forest City.
I have an apartment in Forest City and visit my apartment regularly.
Regalia Park is a condominium, not a hotel.
There are many condos in Forest City and they are called "parks".
There is only 1 hotel in Forest City island, and you have stayed there.
@@kinlian would love to go there from KL for a holiday. Any seafood restaurant or die die must visit restaurants to recommend?
Very interesting place. I'm thinking it would be very relaxing and calm to live there as a digital nomad for a while.
Hi from London. I have been following your travelling videos, and now finally you are visiting my home town, Johor Bahru. Welcome, Ken. Eat lots of yummy local and Chinese food, and enjoy the heat in Malaysia😅
The developer - Country Garden is broke, unlikely that malaysian govt. will put much effort to this place in the middle of nowhere. Good luck to all those who have invested, maybe their grandkids might see benefit from it in the future. After so many years still not many people around. Streets are empty.
Forest City looks like a pretty soul-less and depressing place. Other much more interesting (and cheaper !) places to visit in Malaysia. Don't think that I will be visiting Forest City anytime soon ! Thanks for the insightful video though 👍
I love this video and am quite amazed you managed to tour and video this huge development as a foreigner oh gosh !! in such a short period of time with that electric scooter!! this is really unbelievable This forest city is actually very beautiful and well-developed by the CHINA DEVELOPER. Unfortunately, most units are sold to foreigners or the Chinese and they do not live here. I stayed in that hotel before and a security guard was waiting at my floor at 11 pm when I returned from my dinner elsewhere. Greatly appreciated :) lobby light was half turned off and the basement carpark was in total darkness at that hour, I saw the security guard cycling I was speechless but felt safe to be there.. 8 years ago..
Nice video! Thanks for bringing us there.
thanks,this is a wonderful episode,i like this kind of vedio.
The local guy who lives in Malaysia can go fishing there so it means the locals can enjoy the beach. It’s open to the public even though they don’t check into hotels.
Beautiful land and people. thank you for sharing
What people bruh😭💀
Another great video Ken! Thanks!
There is a city similar to the one in the video is called Hengda Venice Resort, an hour's drive from Shanghai. About a decade ago, living projects for vacation purposes were popular in mainland China, and Hengda Venice Resort is probably the only one of these projects to have been completed and sold out.While most of the other projects of the same period failed due to promotional fraud, failed to complete construction, and failed to sold out(like Ocean Flower Island). I live in Shanghai, and many Shanghai elders choose to vacation at Hengda Venice Resort in the spring and autumn seasons. About 20% of the housing there is occupied by people on a long-term stay, not just a vacation.
Forest City failed because it was advertised in the early days that you could get a Malaysian passport if you bought a house (which of course was a fraud that never came to reality). Another reason is that mainland China banned individuals buying overseas houses as investment a few years ago, and some of those who bought Forest City were "notorious" individual investors in China.
Soon high speed train from Singapore - Kuala Lumpur will have station at Forest City. 😎
Yooo!.. Ken... Back in Malaysia again, Pretty much like a 2nd home here.... and in state of Johor , Cheers mate!
The place does not look like Malaysia at all, but a transplanted city from China. Look forward to watching the new series about Chinese communities in SE Asia. Safe travels.
really 😂😂😂 I don't see any difference
You must be from Wakanda or from other planets.
Apa khabar Ken! In Singapore, we have a good view of forest city from Tuas in Singapore, especially during sunset!
It also looks so much greener than Singapore!
looks like a great place to get out of the hustle and bustle and chill for a week with the fam
They expect it to be full of Chinese buyer but it got a lot of fight from the local that doesn't want more Chinese influence in that area.
60% owned by newly installed Malaysian King (from the state of Johor).. He's anticipated to continue to develop the progress..
Impossible to revive this and let alone continue to develop the progress!
the trouble is the Malaysian middle-class is not increasing or are they being choosy??
@@wht8349😂😂 How about sell apartments at 50% discounts?
The king (sultan of Johor) doing business? That's Malaysia!
@@ainonali3195so what is the problem? The king do business so he wont take the Peoples tax money. So you chinese traitor to Malaysia Land want to start a Racist card war?
Tqvm Ken..this is very informative..you explore this area n give us nice review!!
Terima kasih ken for giving a different perspective on forest city, Malaysia
The location is really good in fact, you can go easily to Singapore or Kuala Lumpur by bus.
It's need a bullet train station and a harbor to be fully connect
Welcomeback my brother !!!
Probably the locals living there are working in Singapore. Otherwise, as mentioned, the shops and restaurants are geared towards Mainland Chinese, not so much local Chinese/Malay/Indians. Malaysian generally prefer landed houses. Most Singaporeans would also rather buy landed houses in gated communities such as Horizon Hills in Johor as those in Singapore are too expensive for most to buy.
Who say it is ghost town, it is built to cater old folk from Singapore and China. Foreigners has to buy apartments that cost more than 1m, local residents are half that price. This city will be developed stage by stage and will serve as gateway to Singapore residents.
Great informative video. So Forest City is not dead.
Great content, great video, thanks for sharing. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Very few people there and can be classified as a ghost town. A restaurant owner could not break even with so few visitors and residents .
Looks very well maintained too. Was there early days of the development. Magnificent city when all developed. Your video so interesting and your narration so easy to understand. 😊
If the sales people are telling you there are 20,000 units available, it is most likely much higher than that. I find these properties start off looking great and deteriorate quickly. I also think the upkeep of the foliage city wide will become a nightmare as well. As to purchasing anything in China, understand that ownership is not ownership at all, you are allowed buy into and pay for a dwelling, yet ownership is China's. For now it is a bleed over beach in a short distance from Singapore. I didn't find anything you said to be other than a sales pitch for travel, not an honest view of what is really going on and maybe that is you thing. You barely got off your little scooter to really look around.
Country garden has gone bust!!.
1. Its a failed place because, those companies, hotels and businessess, there, instead of employing locals, they are employing foreigners.
2. There is nothing smart about a smart city!!
3. Are those greens, real plants or plastic?
4. USD85/night is way out of budget for locals... Unless of course if the locals have been embezzling gov funds
5. RM80 for 1 hour... definitely out of the reach for most locals!!
6. She told you " many many are already sold out"... This is a common sales pitch among sales personnel... they tell you that... but if one asks for evidence... they cant show any
7. 2 bedroom unit for RM1 million?... Its way over priced!!
8. everything you need is already here!!... This tells me that its similar to 15 minute cities... being pushed by WEF and NWO
Ken Utterly amateurish report
Looks like a wonderful place to vacation, I definitely would go there just to chill and enjoy the sand and the ocean. I think this is a newer video, I need to go back and catch up but keep up the great work, I am really enjoying your adventures.
Those Nepalis are not tourists, they are workers and live there on work permits.
they are tourist, maybe working at KL and take a vacay at Johor. Domestic tourist
@@atingzzI do think so, I was in Malaysia last year, and never expected to see too many Nepalis thousands shocked me, I spoke to a group of Nepalis, and they said they were on work permits living in Malaysia, it's a public holiday they gathered together with friends.
They won't spend that much money living in that resort for $85 per night, one guy said they live here in the resort, and that means working there.
Ken, you should visit Ordos from Inner Mongolia province in China. the city was also called ghost city by the west media, but now it's super smart, clean, safe city.
Hi, Ken.. Your honest review is highly appreciated, not like some other guys just trying to use the word GHOST TOWN to attract traffic, yet misleading their fans!! We were just there exploring last month, totally agree with what you have reported. Great job, Ken.. The only challenge for this development is just that the selling price has been much higher compared to the average price in whole Malaysia. This will sure slowing the developing process in the long run! Anyway, its pricing strategy might not be wrong a decade ago, but it's quite sure out of range looking at the world economy now and next 10 years!!! If it misses the development timing for the next 5 years, the whole development might be negatively or badly affected!
It is not a ghost city! but a " Failed Residential Market Project". Many Chinese investors lost millions from this project. This is now a tourist site for families in Malaysia and Singapore. You can only call it a ghost town at night as the buildings hardly have residents.
How they lost millions in this project? You mean they bought it at a million and sold at zero ringgit?
For a ghost town the landscaping is very well maintained.
it almost look better than Skid Row.
看到那些餐厅超市，仿佛是身处China town
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It looks very nice. I would like to visit one day, but I wouldn't agree with your comments about there being a lot of people around. Maybe if comparing to a ghost city. I wonder what the construction quality is like.
Nice report. Clearly it is not a failed effort.
If you can edit your English headline, I suggest putting the word [failed] in quotes to show you're quoting others by using that term. So it would look like this:
I Explored China's "Failed" $100 Billion City in Malaysia
That's crazy a few days ago I saw another dude's video on this city and now ken the man too
WHO WOULD BUY anything the Chinese are involved in building?
❤The sky is beautiful. Tks for sharing. Beautiful
'Yes, I do'. :) Great video! Makes me wanna visit Forest City with my partner soon.
It won't take long to be a thriving city. Ten year's it will be flourishing.
Same thot.
Ken, those Nepalis u met work inside Forest City!
You are finally home! Welcome back Ken😊
How many countries can build a housing complex/city in such a large scale.? Probably none except China.
The qualitt is bad
Ken, you are a legend ! Lol 😀
Thanks for posting this video
As a Chinese , first learned this place on TV ads about 10 years ago.The main target customers are Chinese people who may go for a holiday during their vacations. At that time, it was described as a modern and green town next to Singapore.
But the problem is that the main developer (BiGuiYuan) faced serious difficulty during the Covid time. This project is also seemed as an unsuccessful project even by us Chinese. 😃
Ken,positive view ....like it
Hi Ken, subscriber here in USA. Great video and informative about what I suspected, Chinese moving in on countries peacefully to take over. Although many travelers are going to China as tourist to its beautiful cities, must consider what they are doing politically outside of China. Some involve human rights besides territorial.
it's just a small area, how are they goona take over the whole country from there LOL...
Yes, scary. Holding these countries hostage using debts and favors. Hopefully these countries are just as shameless as China and not be blackmailed.
Can I suggest Sanya Hainan China to you, very tropical and great seafood. Great to see a video of it
It's on my list to visit later this year 🙏
From what I see from your video, the hotel exterior,interior ,design and view of the sea..well I can say this hotel is much better condition than many other hotels
look at all the apartments , hundreds of thousands , few people , so empty
This is also owned by Johor government with many incoming projects, It was also declared a special economic zone and free tax zone, This area is near to second connection to Singapore called Tuas link. And it was surrounded by Legoland theme park, Golf resort, yacht harbor and also the fishing village to the West.
The number of times you say "here" is astounding. Almost every sentence.
Good review but nowhere on western media does it say that Forest City is abandoned, it states that it’s incomplete and unlike Evergrande, Country Garden is still operating amidst the real estate crisis in China. Personally I wouldn’t construct anymore buildings there , I would mainly polish up the infrastructure and be done with it✅
If the place is not expensive I might also consider moving here. Hope the property price can drop a little bit
The problems with Forest City are: (1) Too ambitious. What’s built & to be built are far beyond market’s demand. They could have divided the projects into many different manageable size / quantum parcels to meet market demand & slowly expand. (2) Political changes in both Msia & China. Almost overnight the anticipated Chinese buyers are gone. (3) Prices r too steep. (4) its marketing mainly target only rich Mainland Chinese. (5) Covid Pandemic, so sale gone (6) Chinese developer ran into deep financial problems.
Forest City in Malaysia would not have been abandoned of Dr Mahathir did not chase the Chinese people and the developers out from Malaysia when he came in to power the second time as the Prime Minister. He enacted policies that stopped all the development from Chinese Companies in Forest City, the High Speed Rail, the ECRL and other projects that was going on by Chinese Companies in Malaysia. He also stopped the Visa's of these Chinese people who purchased these apartments to go to Malaysia.
On the other hand I would have to say that the prices of the food, hotel and the apartments in Forest City is also too expensive for locals to afford. Therefor local people were not able to move in to fill these empty apartments and also to patronise these shops.
The Hotel that you stayed in is very expensive compared to Malaysian Standards and pricing. Probably 50% more or something. So that is probably another reason why this is not well patronised too..
They have huge funds to build projects but if it's too expensive is how long they'll wait for it be sold.the value keeps tanking greatly.
The rent here is about USD 300 a month. Sooner or later Singaporean will make this their retirement resort
That place is so huge.. Welcome back to Malaysia Ken 😊 Dont forget to eat Ramly Burger 😅 Tiada masalah!!! 😂
Unfortunately no ramly burger stall in forest city yet 😲