The magic of RDR2 was taking a vague character like Dutch and turning him into exactly what John describes him as: "a fine speaker, great leader, a deep thinker" and then he falls and becomes this
@@mikev5525 i think that’s irrelevant, because the 2nd game is written entirely in a way to explain how characters like Dutch and John became who they are in the 1st game. They wrote the 2nd with the entire first game in mind, hence everything in the 1st game has more added weight to it now when being replayed.
@@Therealgibz while I can certainly see ur points and if that was truly their goal then yes they succeeded very well and that's so obvious I'm RDR2. But I didn't play much of the first game, the characters that carry over don't seem to match too well, (specifically hosea or whoever runs like the tint Spanish rat from loony toones) and it almost comes off as they took a great game about John and THEN decided to make the 2nd game where they decide to develop these characters. If that was always their goal then good for them, otherwise from what i seen jsut kinda looks like they lucked out with writers for RDR2
benjamin byron davis said that Rockstar are very strict with their scripts and don't allow for improvisation, I always wonder of Dutch's voice cracks were scripted and were performed on command, if so give that man his Oscar!😂
That's the saddest part about Dutch's character. They did a fantastic job writing Dutch in RDR2 to the point where you can tell Dutch is still wracked with grief over Arthur, Hosea and the rest of the gang even though they weren't written in the story at all before RDR2. The way he said, "I was." reminded me of how at the end of RDR2, Dutch didn't even reply to John and walked off without all the money. He has nothing to live for except just fighting against the law, especially since everybody he cared about has left him and his last surviving surrogate-son (John) wants him dead or in jail. Leaving Dutch alive in jail would literally be worse to him than dying by a noose since he's truly that wracked with grief. It also helps explain why he recalled his conversation with Arthur as his last words before just killing himself since John didn't have it in him to kill Dutch.
@@callmehanson9466 Yeah, to me RDR1 Dutch showcased a man that people clearly have respect for, learned from and are drawn to but became broken as John says. Yet even so he's still charismatic and there's some truth to his words and that at least to me it was easy to get why John trusted him and even after everything still couldn't shoot him. Then even when John has him cornered he doesn't lash out, he gives a final warning to John that was true. Thats really amazing characterization, storytelling and staying power for a guy we only see ~10mins of. Man had me fangirl screaming in my web design class when the 1st RDR2 trailer dropped off of just ~10mins of screen time in 2010 lol.
@@callmehanson9466 The beauty of Dutch's character with how it was written in RDR2, is that you can't tell if he is driven entirely by grief by the time he gives up the money, or if he has completely lost it to paranoid delusion (because of the betrayals he experienced), and so he has begun to see everything as a trap and a threat to his self-preservation. Keeping the money is just another reason for someone to go after him, but it also the reason he lost everyone who cared about him, so it's tainted in that way as well.
I love how John is a lot stronger mentally than he was in rdr2; he just jokes as soon as he’s threatened, and knows not to believe or even entertain Dutch’s ideas anymore. Hes really fun to watch and shows me why Rdr was so popular when it came out
I enjoyed rdr2 just for the fact I get to see how this John came to be. The growth and disappointment whenever he talks about himself Hits harder now .We got to see him in his darkest moments. Rdr2 made rdr1 John just fucking Golden. Hell, I love that they show how smart John was in 2 by showing him questioning Dutch from the start. John always thought for himself that's why Dutch hated him and left him to die.
I think it shows how John is now more like Arthur now that he's around the age he was when he passed. This John is almost exactly the same as Arthur was.
It also really underscores the tragedy of his character to first see him as this insane rambling man in his underclothes living in the mountains and then see him as the dapper, charismatic, composed man he was before. Really amazing work from Rockstar
@@Kacpa2 Dutch appearing on that mountain was important to make the events in RDR1 make much more sense. The ending is left open on purpose but my speculation is that Micah made a deal with Edgar Ross to deliver Dutch in exchange for his own freedom. I even think Ross planned on having Micah track down Bill and Javier as well. Then John shows up, Kills Micah and lets Dutch walk away and disappear (again). John is directly responsible for Ross losing his ''informant'' as well as losing track of Dutch, prompting Ross to kidnap John's family and blackmail him into doing the job that Micah, being the snake he was, would have accepted happily without being blackmailed into it.
" That's beautiful Dutch. You always were a fine speaker! " " I was. " I love that exchange. How self aware Dutch is of his own downfall, that he's at his breaking point. All bets are off.
Almost like Dutch knew he was a manipulator the entire time and liked to talk big in front of his men so they’d have more trust in him. And yet here he is doing the exact same thing going off about how he’s fighting for something larger than himself but in reality he’s leading the young natives to their doom all for his own ego
@@josephstalin2606 I think he actually believed in what he said to the team, that he wanted their best. But with time his addiction got to him, he was addicted to money and his ideology of being free to do what you want, but aint that what's wrong "what he want" aint the same as what the crew want.
@@oggiwa He does but the difference is that Hosea and Arthur was there to make all the ambitious speeches and big talk Dutch made possible in reality. Dutchs downfall was when Micah was let into the gang and did the blackwater heist without Hoseas input and when Hosea died. Leaders are just as important as their men.
Till he hit his head in that botched train station robbery.. when the trolley goes out of control and crashes Dutch hits his head really bad. I think that was the finally nail in Dutch crazy.
It’s cool how John and Arthur have outwardly the same personality but are completely different humans. John is “glass half full” while Arthur is “glass half empty” but they’re both “why you got me lookin at a damn half poured glass” When the professor hugs John and cries and displays a plethora of emotions that would get your ass kicked in that day, John doesn’t say anything. Even if he’s annoyed at first, you can see in his characters animation that he appreciates the professor for who he is. It almost looks like John’s thinking about how nice that life would be for someone that gets to go back to Yale. He’s uncomfortable, but warmed by the idea of having a tribe that he admires and respect and has that same feeling given back.
They're very different beyond the surface level similarities. Arthur with his lack of living nuclear family was a more conflicted but warmer man. He was gruff but he had a heart of gold. John was a good man in his own way, he was a lot more mission oriented and less needing to make sense of it all than Arthur was. His goal was to provide a better future for his son, spend time with his wife and protect them both. Arthur helped him see what mattered in life, even though John didn't heed Arthur's about revenge which brought all this upon him and his family.
The animations are incredible for a 2010s game. If only it was given a bit of touch up in terms of better graphics. Would be an eye candy and a joy to play on ps4.
The game was really good but I wouldnt say the animations were incredible for its time…its pretty standard motion captured stuff, most triple A games during that time have that.
The original still looks damn good. It doesn't need to be cutting edge photo-realistic to be beautiful. Look at Shadow of the Colossus, or Half-Life 2. It's all in the presentation.
@Andrew K Again, none of this really goes against the original comment. The original comment is pointing out Dutch's hypocrisy for talking about how they do what they do for high ideals but in the end he's willing to murder people because he was bored. Honestly, even in RDR2 Dutch was a hypocrite. Willing to make excuses for why it's okay when x people do atrocities but not y people even though they could use those same excuses. In truth much of Red dead redemption's moral story telling doesn't make sense. Forcefully collecting money you lend to others is inexcusable but robbing houses of innocent people you never met before is ok??? Also murdering someone is ok so long as they shoot an excess of buffalo??? The game is still fun though.
It’s brilliant how the two games represent the state of the characters and their opinions on each other Rdr1 has that old school spaghetti western grit to it even though it takes place in the future of the universe, terrible people of many classes and an outlook into what once was and what modern civil can do to someone Rdr2 has this polished beauty that allures the player into a lifestyle these people love and an environment you can’t but be obsessed with
It’s funny because 1899 is supposed to be pretty much the end of the wild west era (it even says so in the intro to rdr2) yet in rdr1 which is more than a decade in the future, there are still loads of gangs and the west is still very much alive and hostile.
@@lightningjet9444 i always saw it as not just a mix of “of course its a video game world and some things need to be glorified” but also the type of thing that’s like a “they gotta go out with a bang before big government, organized crime and technology come steamrolling them down” type of thing
I still wonder how Dutch and his gang weren't arrested when starting a gunfight IN BLACKWATER!?? Were all the cops out of town, deaf or just heavy sleepers???
I mean the blackwater police aren't very competent and during the mission you can see his bandits on the Federal building. This is presumably after the bank robbery while most of the Marshalls are still out looking for him or investigating his fortress up in the hills. It's not hard to believe that the blackwater police station, which is very minimal security was easy for them to take over. Yeah it's a bit wild there's no police in this mission whatsoever but Dutch is a good planner. The cops were probably taken out pretty quickly and most of the government agents were busy. Seems like a bit of good timing and luck
I like to think Blackwater went downhill over the past 7 years or ago, also now that Dutch is off his rocker he is more reckless and will sacrifice more for his plans.
dutch didnt even have the inner strength to lie anymore, its crazy how much he had degraded mentally. at the start, he valued intelligence in partners and after Micha ruined him, he just drifted around aimlessly, collecting dummies that just took orders and thats it. ironically enough, there wasnt sport in the life anymore for him i think. i played rdr2 first and when i realised it was dutch in this mission i was like OMG and was waiting for one of his famous speeches, but no. just blatant and transparent violence without a cause, though he still claims there is a bigger picture. it really drove home how bad he had gotten after rdr2. amazing writing omg.
He was fighting a hopeless war against the encroachment of civilization, having convinced a bunch of disillusioned natives to be his soldiers. He had nothing left to live for personally, so he threw everything behind the libertarian ideology he believed.
Lol yeah, I played it in 2012, and seeing how he treated the Indians and how crazy he and Bill seemed I was very weary in 2. Seeing him kill that woman and having a ragged defeated look and then rdr2 seeing him all snazzed up made me believe he was a fallen cult leader. Trult a master manipulator
If micah "ruined" him, then dutch was never strong mentally. And micah was a new guy in the gang. Dutch abandoned the 2 guys he called sons, for the new guy. That's a weak liar. Or R* effed up the story writing, which I believe to be more plausible.
@@father3dollarbill No, it's amazing writing, because he always "was" weak mentally, is completely self-centered, and driven by self-interest and greed, despite his best efforts to hide it. Dutch abandoned his "sons" for the new guy (Micah) because of how powerful his ideas were to Dutch, and how well he twisted the idea of loyalty into a role of (feigned) blind subservience to protect Dutch's ego, while serving his own interests. Arthur and John were loyal but not able to feed Dutch's ego when he made mistakes or was led astray by Micah, and they basically begged him to see reason, which he saw as a lack of faith and eventually betrayal. And for that "transgression", he abandoned them. Dutch didn't actually like Micah more but the idea of him, especially the idea of him that uplifted Dutch and covered for his insecurities about his leadership. Dutch wanted to believe the lies Micah was telling him about himself, and the ideal no-compromise-outlaw-life that they both supported, of which Dutch deluded himself into thinking was possible to maintain into the modern era. Dutch could not find a way out in a world where the old west was dying, and he was not selfless enough to turn himself in to save the rest of the gang, so he chose to live in a fantasy: one where the next big score would save them and allow them to settle down, while at the same time wanting to continue to indulge in the "free" life of an outlaw and romanticizing it. Micah just revealed the Dutch who always was there. He had a silver tongue and a ton of charisma but not much else. He was a grifter and conman: a true emperor with no clothes of the old west. Dutch was always like Micah underneath the surface, but he had been surrounded by competent men who protected him from himself and made a lot of his dreams a reality. And he was lucky they were mostly honorable people who did not manipulate him the same way he tried to manipulate everyone else, that is, until Micah came along and told him what he wanted to hear and then he started to do things against his better judgment. Micah fed into his delusions of grandeur until he eventually succumbed to the same destructive tendencies.
It was definitely intentional lmao. In this game alone they reference that Dutch was once a good man and then he went crazy. All rdr2 established was what exactly went wrong with the gang and shows Dutchs turning point
i cant believe how perfect the second game ties into the first one. giving so much depth to everything. you can even sense a bit of dutch's resentment for john, for the times dutch felt betrayed by john in the 2nd game, john leaving the gang and coming back. thats a reason why he shoots at john, he is able to picture all those times he felt betrayed by john. but theres also a part of dutch that still sees him as his son
I really would love to see this game remastered. Specially if they add little details such as more interactions between the members of the game and mentions of Arthur. That would be perfect.
@@steeg03 Correct. I think because Take2 and R* wanted all hands on deck for GTAVI if I remember correctly. Consequently, no more updates for RDR2 and no RDR franchise for the foreseeable future.
@@ZaWarubro yes. they were in the process of remastering RDR1 AND Bully but they decided to fully invest the team into GTA6 and drop the remasters. unfortunate.
@@DeadXog It doesnt need a remake, sure. But a remake would be great. And Arthur mentions would only add to the world building that we got from RDR2, They could atleast add his grave to the game, or atleast an easter egg.
I know everyone’s in love with rdr2 but i still find rdr to be my favorite the stranger missions were way more bizarre and interesting. I felt the music was better as well. Riding into Mexico the first time with far away playing just hit different. The characters John interacted with were more interesting as well. Irish, Wes dickens, Seth, Marshall Johnson, Reyes etc.
I love both of them though for different reasons. Red dead one felt like a western gta in that self parody vibe but. Rdr2 felt like while it kept that vibe at times also stepped into its own world just a bit
@@Sevofthesands Red Dead is nothing like a “GTA with horses” it was even talked about when it was released how different this game felt to a Gta. I played both game I even plays Red dead revolver when I was a boy, and the difference between all of these game is the immersion and design. Rdr still held close to a traditonal arcade style where as RDR2 was more “organic” and everything was pieced together so well that it all flowed naturally.
@@GetERekted okay admittedly the phrasing is a bit misleading I was mostly thinking of the arcade gameplay and how much some of the game was full of that GTA style satire writing instead of the more natural writing that RDR 2 has. People feel like people in 2 where lots of characters in one feel like extreme satires of certain stereotypes.
@@Sevofthesands ahh the thing was Red dead revolver’s character were all written like that so RDR1 took that into consideration. Granted not everyone played RDRevolver so the immediate comparison is Gta!
Of the many missions that is involved in a big area, this is one time you expect a Massive battle between blackwater PD and what marshals are available. Hell a few of the Dutch's gang thugs are on the damn Police department roof. No way a highly trained police department got up and left for donuts and coffee. This is one mission that if we get a remastered or something, needs full context and a damn explanation. I don't care on the limitations of the systems.
Glad to see someone point this out. I mean Dutch is in the city. This is probably the best and only time. Agent Ross and archer can kill or capture Dutch and his gang. Hell you figure they would have surrounded the city and make sure Dutch couldn’t escape through the river. Then have a all out gunfire with both sides just throwing men into the battle.
@@matthewriley7826 then wouldn’t have John heard about It. I mean after the mission. None of the characters or newspapers I think talks about it. I mean having one of the most wanted gangs in town. Would have raised some alarm and would have put the police and the agent Ross and archer in a bad light. Hell if anything wouldn’t have John been look at as the hero. Who decided to fight a entire gang on his own to protect the town then lead them away. Granted is was to protect the professor. But most people wouldn’t have know that.
Especially with the part where John asks him why he'd want to do a thing like that, you can see he's stumped, he's really not sure, then he just makes a joke saying for sport ig. He truly doesn't know why he's doing these things anymore. Also notice how when John complements how great of a speaker he is, he doesn't necessarily agree, Dutch says I was, implying he knows he isn't as skilled as he once was.
Playing RDR2 for the first time. At first, I LOVED Dutch. I thought he was really smart, really genuinely caring about everyone. But I've just started chapter 4 and I've realised that Dutch is running a cult and all the members of the gang are to blind to see it. It's honestly kind of sad. Dutch is insane
I was second guessing myself till I did a second playthrough and found "Dutch's speech notes" in Horseshoe. That and his little snide comments about thinking Arthur was going to betray him in the end, the way he continuously treated Molly etc etc. Hosea's death, while it impacted him emotionally, wasn't really his tipping point. Hosea just wasn't around to make him see reason anymore. I might even go as far as to say that Dutch is a textbook narcissist. That doesn't make him an incredibly and obviously evil person, but it does mean that he's not as genuine and caring as people seem to think he is. Everything he does that's viewed as "caring" is either planned and premeditated (like his speech at the beginning of the game) or used as a tactic to keep people close to him and viewing him as the only person who is kind enough to give them a chance and a "good life" (calling people son, saying that they're the only one he can trust, calling them a family etc) In Guarma, everyone was focused solely on survival. He didnt need to be kind for everyone to follow him. It was either follow him or die, when that wasn't really the case back in America. But I think people are connecting that behaviour with him grieving when in reality, he's always been like that, he was just smart enough to know that no one was going to follow him if he behaved like that.
Just finished the game. It’s so sad to see the fall of Dutch. Seeing him and Arthur going from brothers/father and son to Dutch leaving him for dead and not trusting him. God I hate micah
Dutch is the perfect example of the saying "Absolute power corrupts absolutely." From the lore prior to the RDR2 mentioned in the RDR games, Dutch was brave, noble, charitable, and basically a Wild West Robinhood, taking from the rich and civilized and giving to and aiding the poor. He killed only when absolutely necessary and usually to directly save innocent lives or that of the people under his protection. In RDR2 for the first few chapters we see him still embody this ideology for the most part aside from what we're told about in the lore about how the Blackwater ferry heist changed him and how he uncharacteristically murdered an innocent woman. This was when his gang was likely at its most powerful. He felt that he had to display his power and take a tighter grip on his authority. When people start to question his capabilities as the story progresses, he becomes more spiteful to those challenging him. He had truly felt a dictators status. Even though he still had people advising him as dictators also had historically, the final say was his and ultimately they would listen to him despite their own judgement. Once the gang in the later story really started almost rebelling and directly questioning his goals, sanity, and motives, he started becoming the RDR1 Dutch. After having such authoritarian-like control, even if he wasn't cruel or brutal during this, he had felt power slipping away. He traded away rationality, morality, and kinship for blind loyalty. (Disconnecting with Arthur, Susan, and Jon in exchange for Micah, Bill, and Javier) Hosea was the only true friend he had that he didn't willingly depart from. Hosea was the last thing keeping his morale compass from pointing completely south. The only voice of reason left and the only thing keeping him from truly limitlessly indulging in his own ambitions at any cost. Once he was killed, the only person he'd let even come close to putting a check on his choices and power was gone where he inevitably fell victim to listening only to his yes-men. The end of RDR2 was when the power starting corrupting at an accelerated pace as there was nothing there to stop it or slow it down. This is the most by-the-book example of the power corruption formula.
Well put. There's the idea that Micah corrupted him, but Micah was like the devil on your shoulder, just speaking your own worst instincts to you. Dutch was in freefall at that point and Micah was telling him to keep going.
Honestly, I prefer the saying "Power doesn't corrupt, but it does reveal." Dutch was, at his core, obsessed with control- his talk of ideals might have prettied it up, but the real reason he was so dead-set on continuing to fight against the government and the taming of the West was because it was change he didn't like, but was powerless to stop or control. He dressed it up, put on the mantle of the gentleman thief, personified himself as charitable and brave and noble- and he legitimately acted on those trappings. Power didn't corrupt him, it just stripped away all the fancy clothes and lofty ideals to reveal a man, utterly unwilling or unable to accept that the world was changing, and that he couldn't stop it or change the world back.
@@TheSuckoShow If Micah was the devil Hosea was the angel losing Hosea was a double pronged attack not only did it hurt him to lose a comrade it allowed the devil to gain more power
Man, just seeing somebody else play and use that *_beautiful_* bolt action brings me back to the XBL free-roam days. Those halcyon fun glitch-riddled, highschool friend posse days. I still remember using that powerful rifle with the broken-ass multiplayer deadeye implementation to mag-dump into random players from across a valley. 🤣 Shouts out to anybody else who figured out you could do it with throwing knives at pretty much any distance before they patched it out.
@@Pedro_Le_Chef I dunno, maxed out bolt action with express ammo absolutely destroys in rdr2. Then again, I never played rdr1 so naturally I wouldn't know. 😛
I still think about the badassery of both game covers, John holding double barrel and Arthur revolver. Seeing Arthur on that cover after playing both games gets me every time. The legend untold.
After watching so many RDR2 videos, I forgot this game has that cartoony gesturing GTA usually has also, "one more move and he's a dead man." *sprints at him with his gun up*
i like how John is so patient with Dutch, he doesn't want to kill Dutch, but still pursues after him since he's literally his only father figure since Dutch essentially raised John
What? The whole point of dutch Rdr1 was John was going to kill him to get his family back. The only reason John didn't shoot him was because dutch jumped and died
Watching you drop off the building hitting the ground to get on the horse, then the awkward silence until the professor climbs down the ladder is what did it for me.
Dutch: Well that, that sounds like a beautiful plan John the only problem is....I COME UP WITH THE PLANS. They really did a great job with Dutch showing how he descended into madness from the charismatic leader he was
This is my favorite Dutch scene from RDR 1 or 2. He just outright admits that he wants to kill Harold and John "for sport." I mean, why the hell not? Dutch is a psychopathic killer, despite all his talk about causes and fighting for others. At least he's honest in this scene, even if he's trying to pretend to be joking.
“What?!”
_”im just kidding”_
John is such a great character
Yeah,that part gets me every time 🤣🤣🤣
That was actually pretty funny 💀
I was just thinking this exact same thing🤣🤣
That actually made me chuckle, this game is full of gems.
ANTAGONIZE
"What?!"
DEFUSE
The magic of RDR2 was taking a vague character like Dutch and turning him into exactly what John describes him as: "a fine speaker, great leader, a deep thinker" and then he falls and becomes this
It's actually kinda pathetic
@@simple-commentator-not-rea7345 why
@@guardadewindhelm7520 I suppose he means Dutch becoming that
@@simple-commentator-not-rea7345 Dutch suffered brain damage and then immediately after saw his family get killed
I never played the first red dead but playing the second one makes me wish Dutch woulda realized his mistakes and changed
“Oh I don’t know, sport I guess?” This line really shows you how far Dutch truly falls after rdr2
Or that they didn't have a very developed Dutch back then
@@mikev5525 i think that’s irrelevant, because the 2nd game is written entirely in a way to explain how characters like Dutch and John became who they are in the 1st game. They wrote the 2nd with the entire first game in mind, hence everything in the 1st game has more added weight to it now when being replayed.
@@Therealgibz while I can certainly see ur points and if that was truly their goal then yes they succeeded very well and that's so obvious I'm RDR2. But I didn't play much of the first game, the characters that carry over don't seem to match too well, (specifically hosea or whoever runs like the tint Spanish rat from loony toones) and it almost comes off as they took a great game about John and THEN decided to make the 2nd game where they decide to develop these characters. If that was always their goal then good for them, otherwise from what i seen jsut kinda looks like they lucked out with writers for RDR2
Nah man, they kept rdr1 in mind, was the lead up to futch losing his mind after eight or so years with who essentially were the skinner brothers.
@@mikev5525 Or they elaborated on it
Dutch’s voice actor is the master of voice cracks
benjamin byron davis said that Rockstar are very strict with their scripts and don't allow for improvisation, I always wonder of Dutch's voice cracks were scripted and were performed on command, if so give that man his Oscar!😂
Who's that? The king of my ass crack?
And planning
@@ahmedeltaib6559 I think I read somewhere that the voice cracks were deliberately made at times to add character to Dutch
@@kelsian_smith03 definitely seems like it..in RDR2 he is able to do the voice without many if any at all
I’d rather see this remastered than the gta trilogy
Better yet, I'd love to see this masterpiece remade in the new engine.
Ong
It already looks like a remastered on Xbox
I'm hearing people say that if the GTA trilogy does good then they are gonna remaster RDR. Idk how true that is but it's a hope 🤷♂️
@@smokingthereefer92 bruh that would be lit fuck gta 6 we need another rdr
John: "That's beautiful, Dutch. You always were a fine speaker."
Dutch: "I was."
Dutch: “Now, would you kindly send that academic out here so we can show him what we really think about the art of anthroPoLoGy?”
🤣🤣🤣
That's the saddest part about Dutch's character. They did a fantastic job writing Dutch in RDR2 to the point where you can tell Dutch is still wracked with grief over Arthur, Hosea and the rest of the gang even though they weren't written in the story at all before RDR2.
The way he said, "I was." reminded me of how at the end of RDR2, Dutch didn't even reply to John and walked off without all the money. He has nothing to live for except just fighting against the law, especially since everybody he cared about has left him and his last surviving surrogate-son (John) wants him dead or in jail. Leaving Dutch alive in jail would literally be worse to him than dying by a noose since he's truly that wracked with grief. It also helps explain why he recalled his conversation with Arthur as his last words before just killing himself since John didn't have it in him to kill Dutch.
@@callmehanson9466 Yeah, to me RDR1 Dutch showcased a man that people clearly have respect for, learned from and are drawn to but became broken as John says. Yet even so he's still charismatic and there's some truth to his words and that at least to me it was easy to get why John trusted him and even after everything still couldn't shoot him. Then even when John has him cornered he doesn't lash out, he gives a final warning to John that was true.
Thats really amazing characterization, storytelling and staying power for a guy we only see ~10mins of. Man had me fangirl screaming in my web design class when the 1st RDR2 trailer dropped off of just ~10mins of screen time in 2010 lol.
@@callmehanson9466 The beauty of Dutch's character with how it was written in RDR2, is that you can't tell if he is driven entirely by grief by the time he gives up the money, or if he has completely lost it to paranoid delusion (because of the betrayals he experienced), and so he has begun to see everything as a trap and a threat to his self-preservation. Keeping the money is just another reason for someone to go after him, but it also the reason he lost everyone who cared about him, so it's tainted in that way as well.
I love how John is a lot stronger mentally than he was in rdr2; he just jokes as soon as he’s threatened, and knows not to believe or even entertain Dutch’s ideas anymore. Hes really fun to watch and shows me why Rdr was so popular when it came out
I enjoyed rdr2 just for the fact I get to see how this John came to be. The growth and disappointment whenever he talks about himself Hits harder now .We got to see him in his darkest moments. Rdr2 made rdr1 John just fucking Golden.
Hell, I love that they show how smart John was in 2 by showing him questioning Dutch from the start. John always thought for himself that's why Dutch hated him and left him to die.
I really don’t think John has the proper development to make him into the calm sarcastic intelligent person he is in RDR
@@chrxs61632 We didn't see everything he did between 1907 to 1911.
@@chrxs61632 you only played rdr2
I think it shows how John is now more like Arthur now that he's around the age he was when he passed. This John is almost exactly the same as Arthur was.
“Imma watch him tear you limb from limb”
“What?!”
“Just kiddin”
Lmao still one of best cutscenes
Dont thank me, we're still here!
fucking hilarious i love john
John’s such an interesting character. I love his sense of humor. Almost like he’s enjoying the moment.
> Antagonize
"I'm going to watch them tear you limb from limb."
"WHAT?!"
> Diffuse
"Just kidding."
To this day it's my favourite John quote lmao
They got Dutch perfectly in RDR2 considering the few scenes of him in the first game
It also really underscores the tragedy of his character to first see him as this insane rambling man in his underclothes living in the mountains and then see him as the dapper, charismatic, composed man he was before. Really amazing work from Rockstar
@@PhantomOutlaw Well its one part that i wish was different it should be Micah alone and Dutch shouldnt even appear in 1907 part of the game.
@@Kacpa2 Dutch appearing on that mountain was important to make the events in RDR1 make much more sense. The ending is left open on purpose but my speculation is that Micah made a deal with Edgar Ross to deliver Dutch in exchange for his own freedom. I even think Ross planned on having Micah track down Bill and Javier as well.
Then John shows up, Kills Micah and lets Dutch walk away and disappear (again). John is directly responsible for Ross losing his ''informant'' as well as losing track of Dutch, prompting Ross to kidnap John's family and blackmail him into doing the job that Micah, being the snake he was, would have accepted happily without being blackmailed into it.
@@lunasilvermoon2283 On 2nd thought i think you're right. It makes more sense with Ross seeking out John aside of just shootout itself.
Well they did write the character
Dutch's writing and voice actor are just 11/10 honestly.
Need more appreciation, without him there no rdr.
12/10
13/10
Infinity/10
He almost stole the show in RDR2, if Arthur wasn’t such a great character
I like how John can still have a sense of humor even when his life is threatened.
Considering what John has been through, he probably used his sense of humor as a way to motivate himself.
@@phillipwalling7470 agreed
I like how trump can still have a sense of humor when his life is threatened
@@NigerianCrusaderyou're not funny
@@art23428 I WASNT TRYING TO BE COMEDIC IM BEING SERIOUS YOU NEED TO VOTE FOR HIM
Bandit: "One more move..."
John: * full-on fucking dead sprint at the dude before aiming his gun *
Arthur dead already 13 years in RDR 1
@@imayubfromchechnya2679 what’s that got to do with owt?
@@notacockgobbler2054 make you sad
@@imayubfromchechnya2679 12 years
Yes that's what happened in the video. Great observation
" That's beautiful Dutch. You always were a fine speaker! "
" I was. "
I love that exchange. How self aware Dutch is of his own downfall, that he's at his breaking point. All bets are off.
Almost like Dutch knew he was a manipulator the entire time and liked to talk big in front of his men so they’d have more trust in him. And yet here he is doing the exact same thing going off about how he’s fighting for something larger than himself but in reality he’s leading the young natives to their doom all for his own ego
@@josephstalin2606 I think he actually believed in what he said to the team, that he wanted their best. But with time his addiction got to him, he was addicted to money and his ideology of being free to do what you want, but aint that what's wrong "what he want" aint the same as what the crew want.
@@oggiwa He does but the difference is that Hosea and Arthur was there to make all the ambitious speeches and big talk Dutch made possible in reality. Dutchs downfall was when Micah was let into the gang and did the blackwater heist without Hoseas input and when Hosea died. Leaders are just as important as their men.
Till he hit his head in that botched train station robbery.. when the trolley goes out of control and crashes Dutch hits his head really bad. I think that was the finally nail in Dutch crazy.
@@christianterrill3503 it’s a tram. Not a trolley lmao. A trolley is what you put shopping in when you go to the supermarket 🛒
It’s cool how John and Arthur have outwardly the same personality but are completely different humans. John is “glass half full” while Arthur is “glass half empty” but they’re both “why you got me lookin at a damn half poured glass”
When the professor hugs John and cries and displays a plethora of emotions that would get your ass kicked in that day, John doesn’t say anything. Even if he’s annoyed at first, you can see in his characters animation that he appreciates the professor for who he is. It almost looks like John’s thinking about how nice that life would be for someone that gets to go back to Yale. He’s uncomfortable, but warmed by the idea of having a tribe that he admires and respect and has that same feeling given back.
Yes two different men..Arthur is conflicted, John is tired of and exhausted of everything.
They're very different beyond the surface level similarities. Arthur with his lack of living nuclear family was a more conflicted but warmer man. He was gruff but he had a heart of gold. John was a good man in his own way, he was a lot more mission oriented and less needing to make sense of it all than Arthur was. His goal was to provide a better future for his son, spend time with his wife and protect them both. Arthur helped him see what mattered in life, even though John didn't heed Arthur's about revenge which brought all this upon him and his family.
John hates the professor. He probably would have shot him if he didn't need him.
John is such an OG. Ready to take on a whole gang and his adopted dad all on his own. Now that’s gangsta……
Can't even swim
@@eibarman-5750 The massive weight of his balls is dragging him down.
@@Pedro_Le_Chef good one 🤣
@@eibarman-5750 Can’t swim but he can put a bullet in your eye faster than you can blink
@@Pedro_Le_Chef This is now canon
Anyone else feel like John handles this situation exactly like Dutch himself would have done in RDR2?
I mean Idk tbh I feel like it was more of a hosea trait that he picked up on
“Once I was the apprentice, now I am the master.”
@@elijahmontgomery4146 Nice Star wars reference
Damn so calm like Dutch in the early chapters of Rdr2. Reminds me of when Dutch and Arthur are trapped in the Saloon by Cornwall
@@kurtcobain3426 yes. My thoughts exactly, also when he’s trying to talk down agent Milton before he kills Hosea in the bank robbery
Playing through the first RDR game after RDR2 is kind of heartbreaking in a way
Facts my nigga
Fr it’s so depressing.. the world is so grey and the characters have all had such a fall from grace it’s really tragic
True.. and his old friends are gone, the only ones left in the world are the ones he has to kill..
@@firstlast9846 and the fact that authur is gone
It's extremely heart breaking
Dutch went from all stylish and dapper to running around in his long johns in just a few short years. What a fall from grace.
Living isolated in the mountains full of resentment from society does that to people.
The animations are incredible for a 2010s game. If only it was given a bit of touch up in terms of better graphics. Would be an eye candy and a joy to play on ps4.
I think it deserves a remaster like San Andreas and the og gta games are getting
The game was really good but I wouldnt say the animations were incredible for its time…its pretty standard motion captured stuff, most triple A games during that time have that.
Hopefully we get a remaster
The original still looks damn good. It doesn't need to be cutting edge photo-realistic to be beautiful. Look at Shadow of the Colossus, or Half-Life 2. It's all in the presentation.
@@LochNessHamster very true but i would honestly want a next gen port with 120FPS more than anything
Dutch: we're fighting for an idea, not ourselves.
John: didn't you just say you wanna kill the professor for sport?
Dutch: ...
@Andrew K
John: none of that explains why you're trying to kill the professor?
@Andrew K
So... the original comment still stands.
@Andrew K
Again, none of this really goes against the original comment. The original comment is pointing out Dutch's hypocrisy for talking about how they do what they do for high ideals but in the end he's willing to murder people because he was bored.
Honestly, even in RDR2 Dutch was a hypocrite. Willing to make excuses for why it's okay when x people do atrocities but not y people even though they could use those same excuses. In truth much of Red dead redemption's moral story telling doesn't make sense. Forcefully collecting money you lend to others is inexcusable but robbing houses of innocent people you never met before is ok??? Also murdering someone is ok so long as they shoot an excess of buffalo???
The game is still fun though.
The idea of sport obviously
@@jerrymartin7019
Ah, I see.
John being surrounded by his old father figure and his new crazy gang, and still making a joke about the professor is priceless
It’s brilliant how the two games represent the state of the characters and their opinions on each other
Rdr1 has that old school spaghetti western grit to it even though it takes place in the future of the universe, terrible people of many classes and an outlook into what once was and what modern civil can do to someone
Rdr2 has this polished beauty that allures the player into a lifestyle these people love and an environment you can’t but be obsessed with
Yeah, I always got the feeling playing the two games, rdr1 is a spaghetti western, while rdr2 is a modern western
i prefer the rdr1
It’s funny because 1899 is supposed to be pretty much the end of the wild west era (it even says so in the intro to rdr2) yet in rdr1 which is more than a decade in the future, there are still loads of gangs and the west is still very much alive and hostile.
@@lightningjet9444 i always saw it as not just a mix of “of course its a video game world and some things need to be glorified” but also the type of thing that’s like a “they gotta go out with a bang before big government, organized crime and technology come steamrolling them down” type of thing
Rdr2 went too hard on making everything beautiful it lost the grime that made the world feel real
2:49 dude dutch was like "bruh seriously?"
His FAITH core was draining so he shrugged because he doesn't have a FAITH Tonic
2:50
Dutch: So….. Are you gonna bring him?
"We aren't thieves, John."
For those who played both games. That line hit the spirit...
John has a funny sense of humor for sure.
TRUMP ALSO HAS FUNNY SENSE OF HUMOR SPEAKING OF CAN YOU VOTE FOR HIM UPCOMING ELECTION PLEASE
I still wonder how Dutch and his gang weren't arrested when starting a gunfight IN BLACKWATER!?? Were all the cops out of town, deaf or just heavy sleepers???
I mean maybe they were scared lol. Everytime Dutch strolls into Blackwater the census goes down by the dozens🤣and most of his victims are cops.
I mean the blackwater police aren't very competent and during the mission you can see his bandits on the Federal building. This is presumably after the bank robbery while most of the Marshalls are still out looking for him or investigating his fortress up in the hills. It's not hard to believe that the blackwater police station, which is very minimal security was easy for them to take over.
Yeah it's a bit wild there's no police in this mission whatsoever but Dutch is a good planner. The cops were probably taken out pretty quickly and most of the government agents were busy. Seems like a bit of good timing and luck
I like to think Blackwater went downhill over the past 7 years or ago, also now that Dutch is off his rocker he is more reckless and will sacrifice more for his plans.
Probably knew and were hoping John and Dutch would kill each other off
The army did show up when they found out Dutch was there
dutch didnt even have the inner strength to lie anymore, its crazy how much he had degraded mentally. at the start, he valued intelligence in partners and after Micha ruined him, he just drifted around aimlessly, collecting dummies that just took orders and thats it. ironically enough, there wasnt sport in the life anymore for him i think.
i played rdr2 first and when i realised it was dutch in this mission i was like OMG and was waiting for one of his famous speeches, but no. just blatant and transparent violence without a cause, though he still claims there is a bigger picture. it really drove home how bad he had gotten after rdr2.
amazing writing omg.
He was fighting a hopeless war against the encroachment of civilization, having convinced a bunch of disillusioned natives to be his soldiers.
He had nothing left to live for personally, so he threw everything behind the libertarian ideology he believed.
He literally became his worst enemy, which was Colm O'Driscoll
Lol yeah, I played it in 2012, and seeing how he treated the Indians and how crazy he and Bill seemed I was very weary in 2. Seeing him kill that woman and having a ragged defeated look and then rdr2 seeing him all snazzed up made me believe he was a fallen cult leader. Trult a master manipulator
If micah "ruined" him, then dutch was never strong mentally. And micah was a new guy in the gang.
Dutch abandoned the 2 guys he called sons, for the new guy.
That's a weak liar. Or R* effed up the story writing, which I believe to be more plausible.
@@father3dollarbill No, it's amazing writing, because he always "was" weak mentally, is completely self-centered, and driven by self-interest and greed, despite his best efforts to hide it. Dutch abandoned his "sons" for the new guy (Micah) because of how powerful his ideas were to Dutch, and how well he twisted the idea of loyalty into a role of (feigned) blind subservience to protect Dutch's ego, while serving his own interests. Arthur and John were loyal but not able to feed Dutch's ego when he made mistakes or was led astray by Micah, and they basically begged him to see reason, which he saw as a lack of faith and eventually betrayal. And for that "transgression", he abandoned them. Dutch didn't actually like Micah more but the idea of him, especially the idea of him that uplifted Dutch and covered for his insecurities about his leadership. Dutch wanted to believe the lies Micah was telling him about himself, and the ideal no-compromise-outlaw-life that they both supported, of which Dutch deluded himself into thinking was possible to maintain into the modern era. Dutch could not find a way out in a world where the old west was dying, and he was not selfless enough to turn himself in to save the rest of the gang, so he chose to live in a fantasy: one where the next big score would save them and allow them to settle down, while at the same time wanting to continue to indulge in the "free" life of an outlaw and romanticizing it.
Micah just revealed the Dutch who always was there. He had a silver tongue and a ton of charisma but not much else. He was a grifter and conman: a true emperor with no clothes of the old west. Dutch was always like Micah underneath the surface, but he had been surrounded by competent men who protected him from himself and made a lot of his dreams a reality. And he was lucky they were mostly honorable people who did not manipulate him the same way he tried to manipulate everyone else, that is, until Micah came along and told him what he wanted to hear and then he started to do things against his better judgment. Micah fed into his delusions of grandeur until he eventually succumbed to the same destructive tendencies.
Also love how the professor genuinely likes John and his heroism
@Darkphoton probably both lmao
Man if only that rifle reloaded that fast in rdr2
@jose flores more realistic.
@@luckycarter536 talking about realistic when this is a game you can slow down time to shoot 20 people in the head in a matter of seconds
@@luckycarter536
Realistic?!
When Arthur, John, Jack can cheat death in normal gameplay.
@@KyleEvra You can go only too far with realisim.
You should see how John reloads his cattleman in the original. It was hilarious
The fact that you can clearly tell Dutch has lost his mind since the end of RDR2 is unintentional detail…
That wasn’t unintentional
It was definitely intentional lmao. In this game alone they reference that Dutch was once a good man and then he went crazy. All rdr2 established was what exactly went wrong with the gang and shows Dutchs turning point
IS THAT YEWWW JOHNNN?
They knew they were going to make a second game when they released this, seems pretty intentional to me.
@@unfortunately_fortunate2000 They absolutely did not know they were going to make another
2:30 the way john says just kidding kills me
2:33 Antagonize
2:36 Defuse
@@ridermanyt8029 underaged comment
@@ridermanyt8029 lmao
@@ridermanyt8029 I used to do that with John and Charles a lot when I was playing as Arthur.
"I'm just fucking with ya." 💀💀
John: Why do you want to kill the professor though? I want to know!
Dutch: It's all part of the plan! Have some goddamn faith John!!!
i cant believe how perfect the second game ties into the first one. giving so much depth to everything. you can even sense a bit of dutch's resentment for john, for the times dutch felt betrayed by john in the 2nd game, john leaving the gang and coming back. thats a reason why he shoots at john, he is able to picture all those times he felt betrayed by john. but theres also a part of dutch that still sees him as his son
Yeah that's because the full story was already written they just broke it up into two parts. Most fans do not know this.
@@Aquaria-Amethystthis is in fact not true
@@Aquaria-Amethyst lmao me when I make shit up
That sing-song taunt from Dutch is just gold.
*Is that yyeeeeewwww, Jawhn?*
Also: *AnthroPOLOGY?!?!*
Homosexuality.
@@b.a.k5367 😳AYO?
@@bryanlopez2548 just.like.you.
I swear 🤣 i come to comments just to find comments like yours to see if other people notice these amazing parts of the game as well😂🤣
I really would love to see this game remastered. Specially if they add little details such as more interactions between the members of the game and mentions of Arthur. That would be perfect.
Apparently a remake in rdr2’s engine was leaked.
@@mcm730 canned tho, until after the release of gta 6
@@steeg03 Correct. I think because Take2 and R* wanted all hands on deck for GTAVI if I remember correctly.
Consequently, no more updates for RDR2 and no RDR franchise for the foreseeable future.
@@ZaWarubro yes. they were in the process of remastering RDR1 AND Bully but they decided to fully invest the team into GTA6 and drop the remasters. unfortunate.
@@DeadXog It doesnt need a remake, sure. But a remake would be great. And Arthur mentions would only add to the world building that we got from RDR2, They could atleast add his grave to the game, or atleast an easter egg.
this scene perfectly shows why Johns personality was such a standout
I like how they talk so casually as if there still friends
*sing song voice* Is that yoouuuu Jooooohhhnn?
Especially when compared to RDR2 where they were constantly arguing and screaming at eachother
1:50 That sounds like a beautiful plan john but only problem is...I MAKE THE GODDAMN PLANS!!
I know everyone’s in love with rdr2 but i still find rdr to be my favorite the stranger missions were way more bizarre and interesting. I felt the music was better as well. Riding into Mexico the first time with far away playing just hit different. The characters John interacted with were more interesting as well. Irish, Wes dickens, Seth, Marshall Johnson, Reyes etc.
I love both of them though for different reasons. Red dead one felt like a western gta in that self parody vibe but. Rdr2 felt like while it kept that vibe at times also stepped into its own world just a bit
@@Sevofthesands bingo. Fully agree. Rdr2 felt like it's own special game, whereas RDR still had the GTA shadow over it
@@Sevofthesands Red Dead is nothing like a “GTA with horses” it was even talked about when it was released how different this game felt to a Gta. I played both game I even plays Red dead revolver when I was a boy, and the difference between all of these game is the immersion and design. Rdr still held close to a traditonal arcade style where as RDR2 was more “organic” and everything was pieced together so well that it all flowed naturally.
@@GetERekted okay admittedly the phrasing is a bit misleading I was mostly thinking of the arcade gameplay and how much some of the game was full of that GTA style satire writing instead of the more natural writing that RDR 2 has. People feel like people in 2 where lots of characters in one feel like extreme satires of certain stereotypes.
@@Sevofthesands ahh the thing was Red dead revolver’s character were all written like that so RDR1 took that into consideration. Granted not everyone played RDRevolver so the immediate comparison is Gta!
Of the many missions that is involved in a big area, this is one time you expect a Massive battle between blackwater PD and what marshals are available. Hell a few of the Dutch's gang thugs are on the damn Police department roof. No way a highly trained police department got up and left for donuts and coffee. This is one mission that if we get a remastered or something, needs full context and a damn explanation. I don't care on the limitations of the systems.
Glad to see someone point this out. I mean Dutch is in the city. This is probably the best and only time. Agent Ross and archer can kill or capture Dutch and his gang. Hell you figure they would have surrounded the city and make sure Dutch couldn’t escape through the river. Then have a all out gunfire with both sides just throwing men into the battle.
@@VictorTorres-rg9lp Milton? Ya mean Archer?
@@articusramos808 yeah sorry I forgot his name.
I think what happened was Dutch sent another group of his men to keep them busy providing him a distraction.
@@matthewriley7826 then wouldn’t have John heard about It. I mean after the mission. None of the characters or newspapers I think talks about it. I mean having one of the most wanted gangs in town. Would have raised some alarm and would have put the police and the agent Ross and archer in a bad light. Hell if anything wouldn’t have John been look at as the hero. Who decided to fight a entire gang on his own to protect the town then lead them away. Granted is was to protect the professor. But most people wouldn’t have know that.
“Please Sir What are we going to do?”
“I’m going to hand you over to them and watch them tear you limb from limb”
“WHAT”
“I’m just kidding”😂
The way he said “I’m just kiddin’”, I could practically see “:3” superimposed over his face, that was a really weirdly cute delivery. lmao
@@ImpendingRiot83 Don't Thank Me We Are Still Here🤣🤣🤣
Lmao what a g he got three guys tryna gun him down and he is so calm
@@ImpendingRiot83 hmmm
2:40 is the funniest piece of dialogue John ever said
Seeing Dutch talking about killing John after playing RDR2 never fails to break my heart
Especially with the part where John asks him why he'd want to do a thing like that, you can see he's stumped, he's really not sure, then he just makes a joke saying for sport ig. He truly doesn't know why he's doing these things anymore. Also notice how when John complements how great of a speaker he is, he doesn't necessarily agree, Dutch says I was, implying he knows he isn't as skilled as he once was.
Playing RDR2 for the first time. At first, I LOVED Dutch. I thought he was really smart, really genuinely caring about everyone. But I've just started chapter 4 and I've realised that Dutch is running a cult and all the members of the gang are to blind to see it. It's honestly kind of sad. Dutch is insane
John and Uncle are the only ones who could see from the start.
Hey you done with the game?
@@jaythekid6878 yup! It was fucking inSANE but it was so good 😭
I was second guessing myself till I did a second playthrough and found "Dutch's speech notes" in Horseshoe. That and his little snide comments about thinking Arthur was going to betray him in the end, the way he continuously treated Molly etc etc. Hosea's death, while it impacted him emotionally, wasn't really his tipping point. Hosea just wasn't around to make him see reason anymore.
I might even go as far as to say that Dutch is a textbook narcissist. That doesn't make him an incredibly and obviously evil person, but it does mean that he's not as genuine and caring as people seem to think he is. Everything he does that's viewed as "caring" is either planned and premeditated (like his speech at the beginning of the game) or used as a tactic to keep people close to him and viewing him as the only person who is kind enough to give them a chance and a "good life" (calling people son, saying that they're the only one he can trust, calling them a family etc)
In Guarma, everyone was focused solely on survival. He didnt need to be kind for everyone to follow him. It was either follow him or die, when that wasn't really the case back in America. But I think people are connecting that behaviour with him grieving when in reality, he's always been like that, he was just smart enough to know that no one was going to follow him if he behaved like that.
Just finished the game. It’s so sad to see the fall of Dutch. Seeing him and Arthur going from brothers/father and son to Dutch leaving him for dead and not trusting him. God I hate micah
2:32 always loved the way he delivered that so calm like he really meant it 😂
John was bitter at the end but he still had his sense of humor.
The combat in these games are so simple yet so satisfying
The crack of Dutch's voice in Rdr1 is best voice after Arthur's
Kinda felt sad when professor hugged john and cried. It seems like he really considered John as a friend.
“Im gonna hand you over to him, watch him tear you limb from limb… just kiddin, we’re gonna run across the rooftops.” 😂😂
2:30 funniest shit ever
Imagine they did remaster this masterpiece. And When Dutch finally shows up hes in his iconic suit but its all tattered showing his fall.
"That sounds like a beautiful plan John" - Always obsessed with plans ain't he?
This game gives me so much memories how I love playing this game as a young kid and on the 360
1:29 QUICK! DUTCH HAD A VOICE CRACK!
Folk from Blackwater after see Dutch
"Not again"
I love John’s humor haha
sounds exactly like i would expect RDR2's Dutch to speak after many years in grief, the writers, actors, everybody did a splendid job with these games
0:58 downright amazing comedic timing. The Houser brothers were geniuses. God bless them.
“That sounds like a beautiful plan, John.” The plan.
They updated gta V for every gen console. However, they won’t do the same for the Red Dead series.
Dutch is the perfect example of the saying "Absolute power corrupts absolutely." From the lore prior to the RDR2 mentioned in the RDR games, Dutch was brave, noble, charitable, and basically a Wild West Robinhood, taking from the rich and civilized and giving to and aiding the poor. He killed only when absolutely necessary and usually to directly save innocent lives or that of the people under his protection. In RDR2 for the first few chapters we see him still embody this ideology for the most part aside from what we're told about in the lore about how the Blackwater ferry heist changed him and how he uncharacteristically murdered an innocent woman. This was when his gang was likely at its most powerful. He felt that he had to display his power and take a tighter grip on his authority. When people start to question his capabilities as the story progresses, he becomes more spiteful to those challenging him. He had truly felt a dictators status. Even though he still had people advising him as dictators also had historically, the final say was his and ultimately they would listen to him despite their own judgement. Once the gang in the later story really started almost rebelling and directly questioning his goals, sanity, and motives, he started becoming the RDR1 Dutch. After having such authoritarian-like control, even if he wasn't cruel or brutal during this, he had felt power slipping away. He traded away rationality, morality, and kinship for blind loyalty. (Disconnecting with Arthur, Susan, and Jon in exchange for Micah, Bill, and Javier) Hosea was the only true friend he had that he didn't willingly depart from. Hosea was the last thing keeping his morale compass from pointing completely south. The only voice of reason left and the only thing keeping him from truly limitlessly indulging in his own ambitions at any cost. Once he was killed, the only person he'd let even come close to putting a check on his choices and power was gone where he inevitably fell victim to listening only to his yes-men. The end of RDR2 was when the power starting corrupting at an accelerated pace as there was nothing there to stop it or slow it down. This is the most by-the-book example of the power corruption formula.
Well put.
There's the idea that Micah corrupted him, but Micah was like the devil on your shoulder, just speaking your own worst instincts to you. Dutch was in freefall at that point and Micah was telling him to keep going.
Honestly, I prefer the saying "Power doesn't corrupt, but it does reveal."
Dutch was, at his core, obsessed with control- his talk of ideals might have prettied it up, but the real reason he was so dead-set on continuing to fight against the government and the taming of the West was because it was change he didn't like, but was powerless to stop or control.
He dressed it up, put on the mantle of the gentleman thief, personified himself as charitable and brave and noble- and he legitimately acted on those trappings. Power didn't corrupt him, it just stripped away all the fancy clothes and lofty ideals to reveal a man, utterly unwilling or unable to accept that the world was changing, and that he couldn't stop it or change the world back.
@@TheSuckoShow If Micah was the devil Hosea was the angel
losing Hosea was a double pronged attack not only did it hurt him to lose a comrade it allowed the devil to gain more power
God the music is so atmospheric!!!! Loved John's humor and when he laughed and said nope lol.
His tiny smile when he said”I’m just kiddin”
We need a remaster of this considering how much a masterpiece RDR2 is. I’d love to play this on new gen graphics.
I'd love to play this on pc...
1:49
"Well, that... That sounds like a beautiful plan, John. Only problem is... I'm the one with the plans around here."
Imagine a rdr game that fully explains each characters backstory and how they ended up joining the Vander Lin gang
So many possibilities but R* dose not care
Man, just seeing somebody else play and use that *_beautiful_* bolt action brings me back to the XBL free-roam days. Those halcyon fun glitch-riddled, highschool friend posse days. I still remember using that powerful rifle with the broken-ass multiplayer deadeye implementation to mag-dump into random players from across a valley. 🤣
Shouts out to anybody else who figured out you could do it with throwing knives at pretty much any distance before they patched it out.
The bolt action in RDR2 is a kitten compared to its rdr1 counterpart
@@Pedro_Le_Chef I dunno, maxed out bolt action with express ammo absolutely destroys in rdr2. Then again, I never played rdr1 so naturally I wouldn't know. 😛
It's amazing how good this game still looks. I can't believe I used to play this on xbox 360.
This game looks amazing 14 years later.
“Im just kidding”💀😭
I forgot how the horses in RDR 1 were speed machines.
" that's a beautiful plan, john. Only problem is, it ain't MY PLAN!"
"Hi, John"
This line encapsulates how far Dutch has fallen smh 😢
something about how old video games and how the sounds and voices of characters sound is just so nice to hear
I love this mission
Homosexuality.
John casually falling off a building and getting on the horse is my favorite part of this playthrough
Rob Wiethoff is always great as John, but I particularly love his voice work in this scene.
I still think about the badassery of both game covers, John holding double barrel and Arthur revolver. Seeing Arthur on that cover after playing both games gets me every time. The legend untold.
Just when I think I’m about to get over this game I watch a video like this and I think to myself damn it I miss it
After watching so many RDR2 videos, I forgot this game has that cartoony gesturing GTA usually has
also, "one more move and he's a dead man." *sprints at him with his gun up*
i like how John is so patient with Dutch, he doesn't want to kill Dutch, but still pursues after him since he's literally his only father figure since Dutch essentially raised John
What? The whole point of dutch Rdr1 was John was going to kill him to get his family back. The only reason John didn't shoot him was because dutch jumped and died
Wonder what Dutch's bounty reward must be at this point hahaha
Probably the modern day equivalent of FBIs most wanted for sure 😅
With inflation? Oh boy
5:16 man just became a ghost
God, imagine a rdr 2 dlc where you get to play as Dutch fighting John and the Army
Dutch’s still good at doing speechs that convinces everyone hearing that everything will be just fine.
Honestly this game holds up incredibly well after more than a decade.
Now would you kindly send that academic out here so we can show him what we really think about the art of anthroPoLOgY?!
i swear dutch turn so crazy that he even lost his fashion sense :')
The voice acting and characters here were perfect.
Watching you drop off the building hitting the ground to get on the horse, then the awkward silence until the professor climbs down the ladder is what did it for me.
i feel bad for dutch bc in rdr2 he was a good kind man but then we slowly watched his decent and his morals and friendships crumble :(
Dutch: Well that, that sounds like a beautiful plan John the only problem is....I COME UP WITH THE PLANS.
They really did a great job with Dutch showing how he descended into madness from the charismatic leader he was
The voice acting for the scene couldn’t be anymore phenomenal
2:59 is that how people had their sexy time ?
Yes
It looked so goofy 💀
This game series is a fucking masterpiece. The character development of John and Dutch between RDR and RDR2 is awe inspiring.
the snap and like a vague arcade-y feel this game had makes it my fav game of all time
You two stay down and Shut Up lol still cracks me up to this Day
This is my favorite Dutch scene from RDR 1 or 2. He just outright admits that he wants to kill Harold and John "for sport." I mean, why the hell not? Dutch is a psychopathic killer, despite all his talk about causes and fighting for others. At least he's honest in this scene, even if he's trying to pretend to be joking.