I'm Breaking Up With CGC - Here's Why!
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- čas přidán 25. 03. 2024
- I'm done submitting comic books to CGC for grading, watch to find out why! 😒
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Great video, thank you for your transparency and not being scared about speaking against CGC, nothing of what u said here doesn't even remotely surprise me.
Thanks @KeepItTHOROComics - I guess I shouldn't be surprised either at this point. And yeah, I figured I had to share my experience because there were too few people who heard that panel imo. I'd have wanted to know about all that stuff had I not been there
CBCS has a vastly superior case and doesn't have the superiority complex that CGC has, just submit to them. They're the only company I trust with my comics.
Thanks for the recommendation, I'll have to try them out! I do like their cases and the new label is a lot better, too
This is a Florida based company. I can tell you after living and working for companies in Florida this sounds like everyone I ever worked with or for. No work ethic or customer service.
Yeah, it was a terrible experience unfortunately
As someone who has worked with and visited Florida fulfillment services, I can attest to the lack of professionalism…as compared to companies in NY.
How CGC have dealt with these last two scandals speaks volumes on their lack of professionalism.
@@txmoney I agree 1,000%
Florida is a cesspool of coruption, laziness and ineptitude. When I hear a company is from Florida, its an automatic red flag and possible scam.
Incredibly informative and eye-opening video!! Thank you for taking the time to share your experiences and for letting us know what went on at the Megacon panel.
Unbelievable!
You're welcome, thought it was too crazy not to share 🤣 Thanks to you and Dave for your interview with Matt! 💯
its perverse how much market share they have, yet have such awful products, services, and quality assurance.
I can't understand it either because of the terrible service and lack of quality I've received (slabs arriving with plastic pieces inside, inner well not secure within the slab), not to mention how they can't even answer basic questions or simply apply credit I have with them
I just have to guess CBCS is worse somehow? Can't say though, I've never used them. It also just could be the resale value. Who knows. All I know is I'm not giving them another dime
CGC is a dumpster fire. Everything they touch turns to trash. CBCS is the best hands down!!!!
Thanks for the perspective, need to try them out!
PGX is just as good.
@@punisherxs6654 Never used them before, good to know other people are having positive experiences with them
Thanks for sharing, appreciate it!
cbcs is better but they aren’t valued as much. especially older labels. i have issues paying cgc prices for cbcs comics personally
@@lorddjarjar2836 I don't blame you, I'm the same way. I don't want to pay the same price for CBCS because on average the market doesn't either. Especially like you said for their older labels. Glad they changed them, they're much better now imo
The saddest thing is we comic collectors loved and trusted CGC. Ever since the company has been bought out by BlackStone the company has gone down hill ever since.
Yeah, definitely not a fan of Blackstone to say the least. Unfortunately they're buying up everything
Those people who bought those scammed books are never gonna recoup there money. So so sad this is what a hobby has turned into
Yeah, I don't have confidence they will either. Sucks
Dude. I’m a new fan of yours. Thank you for sharing 👊🏼
Appreciate it, thank you!
Great coverage my dude.
Thanks, appreciate it!
I dealt with CBCS at Montreal Comiccon last summer to have some signed comics slabbed with Signature Verification.
What impressed me about them was the communication. They emailed me that they received my books. Emailed me that they were going into pressing. Emailed me they were going into grading. And finally emailed me that my books were being shipped.
The time frame was pretty much what they told me as signature verifications would take some time.
Only issue was FedEx tried to charge me custom fees. But I think that may be a form to be filled out. Will inquire about that at next con.
Hope that helps you if you're still considering CBCS.
Great vid.
100% it does, super grateful for you sharing your experience with CBCS! I definitely need to try getting a book graded by them to see what it's like
Thanks again for sharing and for watching the video! Do you mind if I ask what books you got signed and slabbed?
@@momoonocollects the books that were slabbed were Brave and the Bold # 79 and 93, Justice League Neil Adams variant homaging Batman # 224 signed by Neil Adams. The 4th was Justice League of America # 200 signed by George Perez. Maybe not keys but were cool to have signed by these greats who are no longer with us.
@@michaelhaigh4192 That's awesome, I'd love to have books signed by Adams and Perez! Congrats, that's super cool, I bet you love having them in the collection 👍
new viewer here, came across this video and it did not disappoint, earned yourself a new subscriber sir
Thank you very much, appreciate the kind words and the sub! 😃
Thanks (again) for this great video! It's a shame that you don't have a lot of subrscribers/viewers! I just posted it on a German Facebook page for comic book fans, so hopefully my post will gain a few more views. CGC's Q&A answers are just ridiculous, I really had to laugh out hysterically a few times!
Thanks so much for posting the video, really appreciate it! And yeah, it was crazy the stuff CGC was saying at the panel, I still can't believe it 😆
Same here fanexpo in Vancouver Canada had CGC and they were empty. Had about 7 reps just hanging out waiting. This was on a Saturday too
That's crazy! 😯 I really do wonder if and how their company and bottom line has been affected, as anecdotally I believe they've been negatively impacted. Thanks for sharing about the experience in Vancouver!
I thought it was 20 min! What am i paying thousands for??? Just ridiculous
That was seriously my response! Like, what am I actually paying for? What service are you actually providing me except wrapping my book in some plastic? Crazy
One thing's for sure, when you break down how much they're making per hour when you factor 10 seconds per book and the amount we spend to get our books graded, they're making BANK. They might as well be printing money 💰
I'm glad to have learned some of their business practices - without having gone through this with my own books. I think I'll stick w/ raw books. CGC is now just folly.
Thanks for watching! Yeah, I'm also reluctant to send in books to CGC after hearing this info. Been buying a lot more raw books recently as well
Senior grader means over 65, I guess.
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CBCS's new label is killer. Slabs are very solid. I think most of the 'CGC holds more value' group think is just that and the community can change that at any time (if enough people are willing to throw away that 'order' and judge a book in any slab by it's appearance in that slab and determine if it matches it's assigned grade). A solid 6.5 or 7.0, etc should be valued at its market going rate no matter if it's CGC or CBCS.
A key player (WELL regarded in the hobby)in the evolution of the slab era was instrumental in the creation of BOTH companies.
I agree, the new label looks great. Need to look closer into cbcs as an option
Him saying senior graders are the ones that completed training is telling on himself. Why would i want someone as knowledgeable as myself grading the book??? What am i paying them for??
Exactly 💯 and also, who was grading the reholders before then? Brand new people with no training? What a joke
I also attended Megacon. While you were at the CGC booth I was getting signatures verified by CBCS employees. I worked with two witnesses and they were both very friendly and helpful. Every experience I have had with CBCS has been positive. Give them a try. I think you'll be happy. I know when I switched I was amazed at how much better their cases are. The new labels are a huge improvement. I know the industry keeps saying CBCS books are worth less. As long as people say that, it will continue. I have sold CBCS graded books at a couple small shows and I did not have to discount the prices to sell them You seem to collect and not sell. If there is a perception that CBCS cases are worth less. Jump on the lower prices and get books you want cheaper. I know I've bought a couple for my collection that the dealer was dumb enough to sell them for less that a CGC version. CGC has proven to you all they want is your money. Why keep buying their crappy cases that can easily be tampered with?
Appreciate you sharing your experience! I agree, the new CBCS cases and new labels are impressive. I'll have to try them out. I was close on purchasing a Marvel grail recently in a CBCS case, however we couldn't come together in price. I'll have to keep trying though
You're right that you can snag deals on CBCS books, my brother has done that several times. And even better to buy them now if they do equalize in value in the marketplace. Thanks again for the comment!
Is there a registry of slabs that are known to be reholdered / relabeled falsely? The 350+? Thank you.
Yeah, there is, great question! You can find it here:
www.cgccomics.com/news/article/12454/#anchor-name
I just subscribed to your channel.
Thanks, really appreciate it! Hope you enjoy 😃
I gave up on CGC and moved to a much smaller slabbing company called EGS. I know, it’s not widely accepted in the market but one thing that EGS has is my trust. I’m an older collector and not interested in selling my books and these EGS labels are gorgeous plus I trust the grading of my comics which include my Avengers 1, Fantastic Four 52 and Incredible Hulk 102.
Thanks for watching, subscribing, and the comment! Greatly appreciated 😃
Glad to hear you've had such a positive experience with EGS! I definitely have to take a harder look at them. What do you think sets them apart that earned your trust?
So does that mean, you will no longer submit comic books for grading at ANY service - including CBCS?
Appreciate the question! At this time I'm not submitting books to anyone, especially not to CGC, I'm done with them. But I may submit to CBCS in the future, not sure yet
Friend of mine sent 10 copies of the same book. 7 got 9.8, 2 got 9.6, one got 9.4. He cracked and submitted those 3 again, along with 7 other 9.8 candidate books. The 3 came back as 9.8's...
Point is, CGC needs to have a system and only experienced graders need to be grading your books.
What's the point in having 3 set's of hands touching your book when only 1 of those 3 ppl has the final say? The entire process needs to change.
100% agree. It doesn't make sense to have 3 graders when only one counts. And that's crazy about your friend. Shows how inconsistent they are
We will not consider our communities safety and security!!
Basically 😆
I wanted to start collecting comic book but now idk to be honest. It’s crazy how a company won’t fix their issues nor
Admit anything & yet 9.9 comes out of no where 😂😂 I won’t be surprised if a 10 comes out in a few months
Yeah, CGC is not my favorite company right now to say the least with everything going on with them right now. I agree it's probably only a matter of time before they start 10 prescreens.
That said, I hope I'm not discouraging you from collecting comics because it truly has been amazing in my experience! The people, the stories, the characters, the cons, it's been a blast 💯👍
There are a lot of great things about the hobby outside of CGC, so I'd encourage you to consider those aspects before making a decision either way. Thanks so much for sharing, grateful for you and your comment! 🙏
??? Why is that even a issue? You buy a comic book with out any added plastic tomb. GASP! now you actually read it!, ha ha i know, i know im just teasing and making "light of things". 95% of my books are raw, then 4%CBCS and a few CGC. See heres an important issue that CGC "fanboys", flippers, "white knights" etc , insert a million different terms here,(of what there called) ALWAYS leave out ; if you buy a CBCS slab, its usually is way cheaper from the get go, wether you buy it outright or send it in (paying less, for that grade and plastic), AND the cases are better quality!. So hey you do you , and collect the way you want, i just find it funny, the idea of its CGC or nothing! (the highway so to speak) darn it! - best of luck in your collecting, Cheers
@@mikein60fps30 Thanks for the comment! I agree CBCS books are a lot cheaper and I do like the quality of their case. I find myself buying a lot more raw books recently though. Best of luck collecting! Cheers
@@momoonocollectsYep, i was starting to collect more graded books this last year, then slowed my roll when all these problems came about. Im shure in the future things will get sorted but until that time im only buying "killer deals" if i see something. The main issue for me is the conservation, some books you care so much about and think hmm, id like a little more then just bag , board and toploader.CGC will have to improve , though it seems they want to fight that screaming and kicking!, and slowly loosing there reputation in the meantime. -cheers
@@mikein60fps30 100% agree with all of this
I'm amazed that it's taken collectors this long to get hip to CGC and other grading companies. I have about 7 slabs in my collection and most of the books were graded, cleaned, and pressed by local professionals. When they were returned by CGC the grades and comments were either trivial or made no sense about why the book was a lower grade. I've had books that dropped a whole point because they were cleaned by a third party outside of CGC. Recently, I sent in an Uncanny X-Men #58 that should have come back as an 8, but the grade came back as a 6.5 with a citation that the top staple was loose. Me and the comic shop were appalled because that book went out in pristine shape. CGC has no accountability and the comic community is giving them way too much credibility and power without any justification.
Sorry to hear that happened to you. I agree that CGC's grading notes and actions doesn't seem to make sense. What did you end up doing with the X-Men 58?
@@momoonocollects I contacted CGC about the issue but there's no way to prove the fault. I ended up keeping the comic. Sadly it went from a $500 book down to $200 because of CGC's goof.
@@MrRawnch That sucks, sorry to hear about that. Is it still in a CGC slab or did you send it to a different grading company to see if it would bump?
@@momoonocollects Same slab. I may send off to CBCS for grading but I need to do my homework before I do. The issue is that CGC damaged the staple, so I'm not sure the grade can be remedied.
@@MrRawnch yeah, I get that, man that's rough. I hope you get it all sorted out in the end. I've been looking to send books into cbcs to see what they're like, just haven't pulled the trigger yet
Good luck with your book and happy collecting!
15-30 minutes? It's much worse than I imagined. I like slabbed books but I don't want to submit either. I will buy books I want but I've no faith right now in slabbing my raws. I've been grading my own books that I enter in my collection software. I've heen doing it for many years now. I learned from watching others and reading the grading guides. But that's just for me but I've gotten pretty good at it. I definitely take more than 10 seconds a book. 😂 If three people grade a book then the average should be acceptable from those three. But everything you said explains a lot. Considering the money being spent in grading you expect more from the process. I collect both GCG and CBCS graded books. I just want the book for my collection but I understand the value when it may come time to sell. I hope the community comes to realize that CBCS is just as good but until that day I will be wary of grading a raw book in my collection with CGC. I feel bad for those big boy collectors who spend so much on high end grails. Spending tens of thousands or millions on graded books is a stressful thing for both seller and buyer. Did everything workout with your credit being used?
Yeah, I agree, it's hard to make the decision to grade raws with CGC right now imo. That's awesome you made your own software! I wish there were better collection tracking options out there
You would think they'd use an average of three graders, doesn't make sense to me why they don't. But yeah, after hearing the panel it explains a lot of what I've experienced and heard regarding CGC
I haven't tried CBCS, right now I'm just not grading at all, at some point I'll look into them as an option. Glad to hear you've had good experiences
And no, they never actually applied my credit to the books 🙄
Sticky Goose sent me here.
Welcome! I had no idea he was going to make that video, but I'm glad he did, especially since he enjoyed it 😆
How long have you been watching his channel?
Hi there, about a year. I absolutely love collecting comics. I really enjoyed your video and will be watching the others!
@@adammeade Thanks, appreciate the support! And that's great you got started, hope it's been as enjoyable for you as it has been for me 🙂
cgc has done an awful job at fixing this. i stopped buying slabs for now unless i can verify and get a good price. not worth paying extra money to get a fake book.
Yeah, I thought they could've done a lot better. And I don't blame you, what with the scandals, I myself have been buying a lot more raw books too
You stated you worked in a corporate structure but it obviously was among the administrative division. CGC is not going to admit to a nobody some of their workers who may be in training, are lazy, or lack the years of expertise and experience to adequately grade a book. I've been in my field over 26 years, do you think i dont constantly observe mistakes by younger workers that have less than a year or 3 under their belts? Even the project managers whos experience i dwarf, whom are in charge of these workers make questionable and incorrect decisions. I'm not going to tell our customers, yah so-so had no clue what they were doing. Its not going to happen.
And because the machine is so big, accountability and change is very slow. Its only when the sh*t hits the fan then everyone starts asking what they did wrong. The mistakes were already there and ignored.
Yeah, I agree, they won't and something big will need to happen before they even consider doing so
Trust but verify comes to mind. Not really possible in this scenario.😅
Yeah, I agree that would've been good, just hard to do in this scenario. Thanks for watching and for the comment!
Beautiful comic very jealous!!
Thank you! Happy to add it to my collection, hope you can add one to yours someday, too 👍
Man I just sent my XMEN 12 to CGC to get pressed and graded.. I spent over $200 on this process. Bad timing for me to watch this video...
Sorry about that 😆 I think you'll be fine. Best of luck and let me know how it goes!
CGC = grading scam 😅😂. They take 10 seconds to grade a book! A 3 year old can that. That must be there Apprentice program to Senior graders. You figure it would take a minimum 2 to 5 minutes to really look over a book. Checking back and front and inside to make sure nothing is missing, but no. 10 seconds is enough time for anything. That's like taking it out of the bag and board and putting it right back
Exactly, you'd think it would take minutes at minimum, not just for action comics 1 🤣 It's just insane that he said 10 seconds! I still can't believe it, it's just too crazy
You're absolutely right, that's not enough time to do anything. I can't even imagine what that actually looks like
You'll love the Instagram vid with a CGC "grader" that says the dumbest shit
Really? I didn't see it yet, I'll have to look for it. Not surprised though 😆
I am FLOORED by 2 of your revelations. I assumed each grader took about 10-15 mins with each comic, but 10 seconds? AND the professional opinion of the first two graders doesn't matter? Actually after about a month I would expect a grader to spend at least 5 minutes. I would expect the Senior grader to point out to the junior graders why he/she says that a comic should be one grade or another instead of simply over ruling the consensus. BUT maybe the 10 seconds is the reason why customers get their comics back in hand in 10-14 days.
Here's what I keep saying but it falls on deaf ears. a few hundred CZcams comic content creators and collectors have made CGC TOO BIG TO FAIL. Content creators over the last 5 years have given CGC FREE advertising with grade reveals. Many would get all giddy for the camera furthering the desire and the narrative that CGC is the best.I think it was maybe 2yrs ago prominent CZcamsrs started complaining about the obviously bad grades they were receiving. They bitched. They complained but still continued sending their comics to CGC. In some cases these guys CPR'd the comic with the bad grade and resent it to CGC. It was totally crazy to me. We collectors have so much power and refuse to use it. If more collectors decided that CBCS or EGS is just as valuable as CGC. But no. We all get in line and send CGC our comics and money. The service is subpar. If you don't have a 10.0 grade you deserve notes explaining why it's not a 10. If you carefully clean, press your comics before sending it in and you happen to get notes stating there were finger bends and finger prints on your comic and that's why you received a 9.6 you should lose your mind. We should see CBCS as a viable option and force CGC to be better. Right now they are not motivated to change anything because. "My comics are worth more in a CGC slab." We dictate that! We have all the power and we refuse to use it. There's an unspoken agreement that collectors have with CGC. Keep our comics more valuable and we will look the other way when you mess up. If EGS and CBCS pulled the same crap that CGC has those companies would be out of business. I didn't mention PGX because I know they did something egregious things.
It's pretty crazy when you think about the actual grading time, right? I was floored too. And I know for me I am definitely done submitting books to them because I agree we can only change the market and possibly their company through our actions
Thanks so much for adding value to the discussion, lots of good thinking points. Grateful you watched the video, too!
@@momoonocollects Thank you for responding. I see in the comments you have a couple prominent comic content creators. I KNOW Thorough has spread the word about your video. I used to subscribe to him but I had to stop because his content is consistently negative but his info is good but everything sucks to him. Everything is a conspiracy. Unfortunately he may be half right.
CGC sucks! CBCS should be everyone's default
Yeah, it's been a terrible experience with CGC, I'll have to try CBCS. Thanks for watching!
CBCS grading was exactly the same as CGC when I had them converted over to CGC. The reason I converted them over to CGC is because I like the look of CGC better and also the retail value of CGC is higher than CBCS. Great vid...thanks.
Appreciate the insight! And I agree, that's why I've so far only gone with CGC, the look of the label is better imo and they hold greater value. Thanks for the comment!
They were at one time, But corruption can play havoc on every business who thinks their above corruption!!! 🤔🤗
@@jamesortiz3425 yeah, in my mind I don't see how CGC is taking their issues seriously enough
CGC is rotten to the core.
Yeah, definitely haven't been good in my experience
Cgc knows that their fan base is loyal and will accept whatever they dish out. Sure, cgc books sell for more but that is a perception that does not have to be a reality.
Cbcs is at least trying to compete for our business. Cgc does not because why should they? Most people will just get smacked I the face and go, please sir may I have another.
Sorry you had such a bad experience.
Thanks, I appreciate it. And I agree, right now CGC doesn't seem to have an incentive to behave better because of their stranglehold on the market
Appreciate your comment and for watching!
I let my ex-wife grade my comic books.
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CGC had a monopoly. Unless people stop valuing their services it will not stop. Stop with the CGC scam
I agree, it will definitely keep continuing until we decide to change our habits
They don't guarantee the grades or their graders :)
🤣 I guess not
47 minutes
Thanks for the comment @JMC357
LOL! Is EVERY comic show going to have a guy making over dramatic exaggerated expressions on his title screens??! ROFL! *Farts*
Thanks for the feedback! I use data to help determine the best performing thumbnails as I'm sure other CZcamsrs do as well
@@momoonocollects I think maybe do less Silent Film acting bruh in your title screens!!!
@@thefartingbutt1874 Appreciate your perspective, I want to make sure my thumbnails are as appealing as possible 👍
Honestly , it would have been so much better to have simply recorded everything on your phone and uploaded it for everyone to see what you experienced....the way you describe everything.....puts more on your back and quite frankly, you really don't give a good impression of yourself as a witness. My perspective is that from YOUR description, cgc emplyees who attend conventions are told NOT to answer questions outside of helping people submit and pay for services and do NOT present themselves as "CGC experts" because this is where you get a "he said she said" on all types issues. Just my take on my experiences at shows...your unique issues on submissions are just that.....sorry you had a bad convention experience....
You're obviously welcome to your opinion about my credibility as a witness. Not sure how I don't give a good impression as one as I'm giving my honest and transparent experience of the event, but again you're entitled to your opinion
I agree that filming could have been useful, unfortunately I had not yet started my channel or filmed my first video at that point
And I'm not clear on the other points you made, you're welcome to clarify them if you'd like. I will address what I think you said (I could be wrong) as best I can
I never said or implied that CGC employees are told not to answer questions. I said they were unable to answer my questions. I also never said that they don't present themselves as experts. I did basically say I was disappointed in their customer service at the booth and the panel presentation as a whole
As far as he said she said, not quite sure what you mean there, but yes, of course this video is detailing my specific experience at the event. Anybody's review of any event is unique to them, so I'm not sure where you're going with that one
Thank you for acknowledging that I had a bad experience, it seems like you've possibly had good experiences with CGC at cons, and if that's the case, I'm glad 🙂
Thanks for the comment and for watching the video!
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15 minutes, less than that, you're not going through each page!! I've gotten back books way below what the book should've gotten !!! I now send my books to CBCS And hope for the best?! 🤔
Yeah, at 10 seconds each of course they have zero time to look through the interior of the book. Like you said, should be minutes at least, not seconds. Appreciate the insight!
It would take me, assuming restoration checks done by others, at the most, 1 to 2 minutes to grade a book with easy to see defects. And then there’s writing them down. Not sure if that’s audio recording or hand written or typed in notes. I would not want my books to be handled much more than that. Especially since that is triple handling, not sure what handling is done for restoration detection. 10 seconds? Seems impossible.
@@johnbecnel693 yeah, it's crazy how little time, I mean, what can you do with 10 seconds? You make a good point though I hadn't considered, swift is good because it reduces risk of handling damage. Great point!
Me too!!! 🤔🤗👍
Sorry to hear that 😆