Samuel R. Delany - Dhalgren - Extra Sci Fi

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Komentáře • 175

  • @extrahistory
    @extrahistory  Před 4 lety +450

    Hey guys! This is a reupload of our Samuel R. Delany episode. Several people correctly pointed out that Samuel R. Delany's skin tone in the first version was too light, inadvertently coding him as white. We've corrected the issue here and apologize for the mistake.

  • @TheGirlWhoExists
    @TheGirlWhoExists Před 4 lety +204

    When you're not sure if re-upload or deliberate mimicry of the subject's structure...

  • @th4n4705
    @th4n4705 Před 4 lety +152

    Re-upload kinda ties in to the themes of his work.

    • @johngaete2413
      @johngaete2413 Před 4 lety +6

      i hope they upload the video again next week

    • @hehe3301
      @hehe3301 Před 4 lety +4

      @@johngaete2413 and change it a little more

    • @greyjay9492
      @greyjay9492 Před 4 lety

      They reuploaded because they drew delanys skin too light

  • @halfagallonofboiledeggs2738

    The fact that you guys would re-upload the video to fix just a single mistake really deepens my respect for y'all.

  • @hestiathena4917
    @hestiathena4917 Před 4 lety +27

    "--we came in?"
    "Isn't this where--"

  • @reidwallace4258
    @reidwallace4258 Před 4 lety +116

    I'm so confused... Didn't I just watch this like, yesterday?

    • @Starfire861
      @Starfire861 Před 4 lety +5

      Yep, they accidentally made Delaney’s skin too light, so they corrected it and reuploaded the video.

    • @Mekalor
      @Mekalor Před 4 lety +2

      Groundhog day!

    • @twoscarabsintheswarm9055
      @twoscarabsintheswarm9055 Před 4 lety

      No you didn't you have scizophenia

  • @RollingCalf
    @RollingCalf Před 2 lety +10

    Dahlgren explained: the city has somehow crossed into a demiplane shaped like a mobius strip. That's why there is no sense of time.
    Kit is familiar to them because he has left the city and returned many times.

  • @everydaygeek8715
    @everydaygeek8715 Před 4 lety +92

    Hold up, did they re-upload this video or am I just tripping?

    • @owensilberg2966
      @owensilberg2966 Před 4 lety +5

      Both

    • @GG-MA
      @GG-MA Před 4 lety

      yeah, same as czcams.com/video/05lOT2uSBFk/video.html Dec 31

    • @VTPPGLVR
      @VTPPGLVR Před 4 lety +3

      Both?
      Both?
      Both.
      Both is good.

    • @colemanscollard2207
      @colemanscollard2207 Před 4 lety

      check pinned comment, they just edited someone

    • @hhale
      @hhale Před 4 lety +3

      It starts the same, but then it diverges....

  • @KrasMazovHatesYourGuts
    @KrasMazovHatesYourGuts Před rokem +9

    This was actually my first Delany book, which I first read when I was in High School. It's a very challenging book, yet somehow I found it incredibly engaging. It's an odd mixture of magical realism and proto-cyberpunk that has never been repeated. It's also horny. EXTREMELY horny, in the way only a book written in the mid 70s could have been published.

  • @thelarchmage
    @thelarchmage Před 2 měsíci +1

    Reading Dhalgren was a spiritual experience for me. I read the audiobook, narrated by Stefan Rudnicki, and I anticipate coming back to the book several more times in the years to come to see just how differently the story feels on subsequent readings. I anticipate it will almost be like the light caught in a chain of prisms, mirrors, lenses; once you look away, or even blink, the whole image has shifted

  • @upside-downsmore9437
    @upside-downsmore9437 Před 4 lety +7

    I have to appreciate the art done for these episodes, its simple at parts but is till able to convey words and themes nearly perfectly

  • @TheCreepypro
    @TheCreepypro Před 4 lety +16

    of all the episodes to have to re-upload because of a mistake it is very ironically funny to me that this episode had to be the one that being said it is a pleasure to rewatch as well

  • @GS-md1ex
    @GS-md1ex Před 4 lety +14

    Neat, I didn’t notice the issue with the first upload as quickly as others, but the change does make more sense.

  • @brycevo
    @brycevo Před 4 lety +36

    Weren't we here? Didn't we do this?
    Or was this a dream?

  • @davidbunner6708
    @davidbunner6708 Před 4 lety +8

    Read it, liked it. Was left with the feeling it was trying to tell me something I just didn't get; but, wasn't willing to wade through it again to see if I could get it.

  • @RollingCalf
    @RollingCalf Před 2 lety +5

    This book was insane. Made me question my sanity a few times.

  • @camillaroossjoberg191
    @camillaroossjoberg191 Před 4 lety +4

    Is it just me or the second you start watching extra credits/history you just cant stop watching this for like 1 too 4 hours?

  • @shabazzmcclain5049
    @shabazzmcclain5049 Před 4 lety +4

    Thank you for the introduction to Samuel R. Delaney's works. I suggest for anyone trying to get into his work to read Nova and Babel-17, both of these books had scenes ripped straight from Akira, or maybe it was influenced by them?

    • @otsoko66
      @otsoko66 Před 2 lety +12

      Both novels significantly pre-date Akira, so I think you mean Akira (1982) ripped off the scenes from Delany's novels Nova (1968) and Babel-17 (1966).

    • @ShaqPlaque
      @ShaqPlaque Před 2 lety +2

      I read and enjoyed Nova. In terms of what inspired it, Delaney has made clear that novel was his version of Moby Dick

  • @cainsy8124
    @cainsy8124 Před 4 lety +18

    Blimey, I thought I'd been here before! ;)

  • @JamesSavik
    @JamesSavik Před 4 lety +7

    I've tried reading this book several times and have put it down in frustration. If that's the definition of literature, give me some readable pulp.

    • @TH3F4LC0Nx
      @TH3F4LC0Nx Před 4 lety

      Don't worry, Dhalgren is not "the definition of literature". Take it from someone who's actually read it; it's just a pointless, meandering slog through roughly 700 pages of insanely gratuitous sex scenes and that's about it. If I were you, I wouldn't waste any more time trying to read it.

  • @sennaka
    @sennaka Před 4 lety +5

    Thank you. My respect increases.

  • @shelbybattersby8248
    @shelbybattersby8248 Před 4 lety +3

    Thank you guys for making content. You are my favourite CZcams channel. I am clinically depressed and your videos are one of the things that keep me excited to be alive. Thank you

  • @stevenh8174
    @stevenh8174 Před 4 lety +4

    I want to see movies based on Sam Delaney's stories !

  • @Superbuchi
    @Superbuchi Před 4 lety +30

    When Extra Credits uploads, CZcams grows a few more braincells.

  • @AngryKittens
    @AngryKittens Před 4 lety +5

    I remember _trying_ to read Dhalgren as a nerdy 12-year old and giving up in the second chapter.

  • @theunrealthomas4109
    @theunrealthomas4109 Před 4 lety +1

    Ugh I love this channel so much

  • @beargiles4062
    @beargiles4062 Před 4 měsíci

    Misquoted final/initial lines! "I have come to, to wound the autumnal city". (The comma is just to make it clear there's a brief pause as you flip back to the start of the book.)
    This completely changes the message since it makes it clear that leaving the city changes your mental state. At first glance that means that entering Bellona also changed it but I don't think that's necessarily true - it might call out to wounded people who then leave after they've been healed in some way.
    I wish I could remember where I read this observation so I could give them proper credit.

  • @nicbawesome
    @nicbawesome Před 4 lety +12

    Yo that’s rad that you fixed that, representation is important!
    Oh by the way DO HITCHIKER’S GUIDE TO THE GALAXY!

  • @nynyabiz1746
    @nynyabiz1746 Před 4 lety +3

    Hey, I am anticipating a video on Albedo Anthropomorphics and the subculture it is credited for giving birth to.

  • @CasketsAndBrackets
    @CasketsAndBrackets Před 4 lety +5

    wait what the heck is going on, Didn't i just watch this video yesterday
    edit: İ saw what extra credits write in the comments

  • @shawnheatherly
    @shawnheatherly Před 4 lety

    Good to have this back up.

  • @Redzero062
    @Redzero062 Před 4 lety +3

    this sounds like the anime Big O

  • @ryanbenson4610
    @ryanbenson4610 Před 3 lety +1

    Love the Macho Man reference!

  • @trelligan42
    @trelligan42 Před 4 lety +1

    I thought it was just me.
    There is a rather long tradition of magical cities; Atlantis, Ultima Thule, Shangri La, Amber, Dhalgren. Hmm, I suppose there's more.

    • @zeikjt
      @zeikjt Před 4 lety

      Laputa, Lemuria, a bunch more:
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lost_lands#Mythological_lands

  • @insaincaldo
    @insaincaldo Před 4 lety +2

    The initial confusion is one thing, but how did everyone seem to miss the explanation on the way to ask questions?

    • @JamesSarantidis
      @JamesSarantidis Před 3 lety

      I struggled to process that statement more than I would like to admit :P

  • @Colochoide
    @Colochoide Před 4 lety

    You guys need to do an episode on Borges, please!

  • @nickolascrousillat4265
    @nickolascrousillat4265 Před 4 lety +2

    Hold up reuploaded?

  • @dylanthechillinvillain2488

    An interesting story I hope to read it sometime soon. It seems like an interesting setting.

  • @anthonytuimaka7758
    @anthonytuimaka7758 Před 4 lety

    Have you guys considered doing Dan Simmon's, Hyperion Cantos?

  • @lucasbune
    @lucasbune Před 4 lety +1

    This is good. I did think he was white, though as a european the physical skin pigment holds more weight to me than heritage when thinking of whether you're black or white. In any case, now i know, thanks.

  • @leaf7392
    @leaf7392 Před 4 lety +1

    I spotted the ghost of a James script...
    ;)

  • @francissreckofabian01
    @francissreckofabian01 Před 4 lety +1

    If it so confusing and people can't understand it then why is it SF? Shouldn't it be Fantasy. Fantasy can get away with confusing etc. (Full Disclosure: Apart from Tolkien & Pratchett I don't read Fantasy. And I prefer SF that gives some sort of answer (even if it is implausible). I hate no answers.

  • @orthurus7850
    @orthurus7850 Před 4 lety

    Can yall do an extra history over the First and Second Schleswig wars

  • @nigghcko8479
    @nigghcko8479 Před 4 lety

    So this book is like the netflix series dark? it at least sounds similar like the time machine in dark was created because the inventor hat the broken future version of the time machine so he was able to reverse engineer it
    so idk go watch dark its a great series and like onbe of the best german productions in the last 10 years and it even got a season 2 like 3 weeks ago

  • @Kilgorio
    @Kilgorio Před 4 lety

    WOW so good!

  • @HebaruSan
    @HebaruSan Před 4 lety

    mspaint tells me you now have him as rgb(227,199,180). What was he before?

  • @Oberonjames
    @Oberonjames Před 4 lety

    What does dhueso mean? Is that a reference to something?

  • @tzisorey
    @tzisorey Před 4 lety

    Are CZcams subs messing up again, or did we get 2 episodes today?

  • @DanaTheInsane
    @DanaTheInsane Před 3 lety

    Really wish you had done Clifford Simak.

  • @stevend.bennett427
    @stevend.bennett427 Před 3 lety

    Lord, what a dirge this was.

  • @r0kus
    @r0kus Před 4 lety +4

    I could not get into Delany. I read both _Dhalgren_ and _Triton._ To me, both of them were boring and hard to read. _Triton_ seemed to be about a self-centered man who went through many changes in body and circumstance, but with all the change about him, he himself remained the same jerk he started out. That may have been the point, but it was a boring one. The one work of his I liked was a short story called _Time Considered as a Helix of Semi-Precious Stones._ It was because I liked that which led me to force myself to finish the two novels.

  • @pencilsuperdog6057
    @pencilsuperdog6057 Před 4 lety

    This video is a loop, like the story

  • @epis9260
    @epis9260 Před 4 lety

    I figured this video looked all too familiar.

  • @nalinsaini1983
    @nalinsaini1983 Před 4 lety

    Dang, now I want to see the original...

  • @Kuu-n-koi2317
    @Kuu-n-koi2317 Před 4 lety

    When you're so early there's not much comments to read

  • @cpt.batteryacid8682
    @cpt.batteryacid8682 Před 4 lety

    Oi oi extra credits could you do an episode on the tale of B17 old 666 who survived a suicide mission whose crew are the most decorated of the USAF

  • @harrisonlee9585
    @harrisonlee9585 Před 4 lety +4

    Good of Extra Sci-fi to repost before we all get drafted.

  • @cafecomspoilers2426
    @cafecomspoilers2426 Před 4 lety

    2 extra sci -fi videos in one day? Wow guys! This season is awesome!

  • @ashkuigp
    @ashkuigp Před 4 lety

    twin peaks s3 is dahlgren of tv series.

  • @jadenkennedy1494
    @jadenkennedy1494 Před 4 lety

    Love the v it was great

  • @kevinvan4310
    @kevinvan4310 Před 3 lety

    Why does the intro sound kind of like twilight zone?

  • @epiphoney
    @epiphoney Před rokem

    The kid only had one shoe. Time to reupload the video. j/k I don't think "It's good because I don't understand it" is much of a recommendation. It has some sex scenes though.

  • @feyh
    @feyh Před 4 lety +3

    I wonder why is there so many white guys annoyed with the reason of the repost. There is a Brazilian movie (Marighella) where the same kind of guy complained that the main actor was "way too black" compared to the historical figure. Sincerely, whoever relativizes portraying a black person as white has a serious problem. Extra credits are completely right in this. Well done.

    • @josipbroztito6763
      @josipbroztito6763 Před 4 lety

      Because so many yt people are used to being the center of the world. Its bullshit. Not everyone is as pale as a ghost.

  • @epiphoney
    @epiphoney Před 4 lety

    I bet the Bookchemist on youtube could make more sense out of this book from a postmodern perspective. You're missing a diagram at the end where Delany goes porn crazy in his newer books, Hogg, etc.

  • @Vincent-rq2hy
    @Vincent-rq2hy Před 4 lety

    Wait ive been here before

  • @cirodafia406
    @cirodafia406 Před 4 lety

    Is this time travel?

  • @user-kh6qf4jf9p
    @user-kh6qf4jf9p Před 4 lety

    Delany must had been one of Christopher Nolan's favorite author: czcams.com/video/67e_jl4flpE/video.html

  • @thevioletskull8158
    @thevioletskull8158 Před 4 lety

    I see a pattern in these mind warping trops,a lot of the "answers" are not answers,it's usually speculation,ideas,theories and up to the reader,watcher exc. I feel like the authors of this trops are so focus in make the story complex and making the reader watcher exc want more that they forgot how it all works and how at really gets it message and or story acrossed,I think they use the not answer thing as an excuse,why would they write even more and put effort in writing how it works and what it means,when you can just say "it's up to the readers,watcher exc."

  • @Fluluru
    @Fluluru Před 4 lety +1

    Wind noises

  • @TheAyeAye1
    @TheAyeAye1 Před 2 lety +1

    Samuel Delany openly supported NAMBLA his entire adult life. I don't need to spend any time with his work.

  • @bobveinne2439
    @bobveinne2439 Před 4 lety +1

    Bruh

  • @shellymarstersdon6268

    Not amusing, but this reviews sounds like how someone, who hasn't read the book, would write a review of it. It hits on many of the basic ideas that other reviewers have said of the book, while not being at all specific. Half of the review is: here is the 1st and last sentence of the book, now here it is again written together, oh and it's circular, oh here's what Gibson said, then oh it's difficult, then oh kids journey was this and this (so broad as to not say anything specific, because someone who hasn't read this risks outing them self if they try to come up with something specific, just based off of all the other Wikipedia type reviews). Sorry for the negativity, but this review feels very insulting to Delany's art

  • @krankarvolund7771
    @krankarvolund7771 Před 4 lety

    I didn't saw the video the first time it came out, and I didn't finished it this time XD
    It's just, I don't really like the books that gies me brain knobs ^^

  • @RollingCalf
    @RollingCalf Před 2 lety

    Why won't these woke people make movies of Delaney's books instead of changing everything. I guess delaney is too woke for the woke.

  • @Havocmaverick7
    @Havocmaverick7 Před rokem

    I would have liked this book if there weren't an uncomfortable graphic sex scene every 20 pages. Horrible smutty book.

  • @jimjohhnston9992
    @jimjohhnston9992 Před rokem

    I read the book when it first came out I thought it was pretentious and boring

  • @weaselingrentler508
    @weaselingrentler508 Před 4 lety

    g

  • @owensilberg2966
    @owensilberg2966 Před 4 lety

    15th

  • @gavinsmith9871
    @gavinsmith9871 Před 4 lety +5

    This book still sounds like hot garbage

  • @socappy5218
    @socappy5218 Před 4 lety

    18th

  • @ThePaperKhan
    @ThePaperKhan Před 4 lety

    Wow 6th comment

  • @odeseus5875
    @odeseus5875 Před 4 lety

    430th

  • @AlexReynard
    @AlexReynard Před 4 lety +1

    As a pragmatist, this seems like exactly the kind of thing that makes me think postmodernism is useless, infuriating, pretentious vomit. It's why The Last Jedi was such a mess: when the point of a work is entirely to subvert expectation, it lacks a center, and thus a purpose, and thus a reason for me to care. Extreme relativism is the same as nihilism.

    • @finnianquail8881
      @finnianquail8881 Před 4 lety +4

      wut lmao

    • @AlexReynard
      @AlexReynard Před 4 lety +1

      When all viewpoints are considered equal, none of them mean anything anymore. "When everybody's special, no one is."

  • @matthewoversteg1707
    @matthewoversteg1707 Před 4 lety

    First

  • @lisakeitel3957
    @lisakeitel3957 Před 4 lety

    But... Why is this sci fi? It looks interesting, but, sci fi?

  • @jamesfriedrich700
    @jamesfriedrich700 Před 4 lety

    Stop making sci-fi episodes I can't keep up there's too much to read!

  • @concernedparty1148
    @concernedparty1148 Před 4 lety

    Nobody understands this book.

  • @zhubajie6940
    @zhubajie6940 Před 4 lety +1

    A piece of crap novel.

  • @CaptainHarlock-sx6xk
    @CaptainHarlock-sx6xk Před 10 měsíci

    This book sucks read one piece instead.

  • @thedarkknight3398
    @thedarkknight3398 Před 4 lety

    4th

  • @joshuavalenzuela8081
    @joshuavalenzuela8081 Před 4 lety

    Second

  • @TonyLambregts
    @TonyLambregts Před 4 lety

    Fourth

  • @TH3F4LC0Nx
    @TH3F4LC0Nx Před 4 lety

    Dhalgren was one of the biggest wastes of time I've ever had reading a book. I admired its ability to toy with structure, (I'm always a sucker for any book that is an infinite loop!), but that's about all I liked about it. It sacrificed any sense of theme or metaphor for gratuitous sex scenes, plus Delaney wasn't even able to maintain that crazy-poetic prose that the book opens with. What you get is page after page of boring crap and unnecessarily detailed sex, then you'll get a random-ass paragraph of Herman Melville-level prose, then it's back to boringness and sex. The entire "New Wave of Science Fiction" canon is worthless crap.

  • @austinbell6193
    @austinbell6193 Před 4 lety

    First