Samuel R. Delany - Dhalgren - Extra Sci Fi
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There is no text that better sums up the heart of the New Wave than Samuel R. Delany's Dhalgren. The text twists and turns, written with an eye towards modern and post-modern writing. Where the story even begins is up to interpretation. But one thing is certain. There's nothing else quite like it in all of science fiction. It pushed the boundaries of what science fiction could do and proved that sci fi could be just as unique (and sometimes confusing) as high art.
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Hey guys! This is a reupload of our Samuel R. Delany episode. Several people correctly pointed out that Samuel R. Delany's skin tone in the first version was too light, inadvertently coding him as white. We've corrected the issue here and apologize for the mistake.
Seriously that's the reason for the re-upload
Bruh
You are good you don’t need apologize for that
Seems like not a super big issue, but oh well, y'all make the episodes.
So, what race was he exactly?
Hello
When you're not sure if re-upload or deliberate mimicry of the subject's structure...
to wound the autumnal city.
Re-upload kinda ties in to the themes of his work.
i hope they upload the video again next week
@@johngaete2413 and change it a little more
They reuploaded because they drew delanys skin too light
The fact that you guys would re-upload the video to fix just a single mistake really deepens my respect for y'all.
K...
Same here :)
Right
What was the mistake?
"--we came in?"
"Isn't this where--"
I'm so confused... Didn't I just watch this like, yesterday?
Yep, they accidentally made Delaney’s skin too light, so they corrected it and reuploaded the video.
Groundhog day!
No you didn't you have scizophenia
Dahlgren explained: the city has somehow crossed into a demiplane shaped like a mobius strip. That's why there is no sense of time.
Kit is familiar to them because he has left the city and returned many times.
Thats so weird i love it
Hold up, did they re-upload this video or am I just tripping?
Both
yeah, same as czcams.com/video/05lOT2uSBFk/video.html Dec 31
Both?
Both?
Both.
Both is good.
check pinned comment, they just edited someone
It starts the same, but then it diverges....
This was actually my first Delany book, which I first read when I was in High School. It's a very challenging book, yet somehow I found it incredibly engaging. It's an odd mixture of magical realism and proto-cyberpunk that has never been repeated. It's also horny. EXTREMELY horny, in the way only a book written in the mid 70s could have been published.
Reading Dhalgren was a spiritual experience for me. I read the audiobook, narrated by Stefan Rudnicki, and I anticipate coming back to the book several more times in the years to come to see just how differently the story feels on subsequent readings. I anticipate it will almost be like the light caught in a chain of prisms, mirrors, lenses; once you look away, or even blink, the whole image has shifted
I have to appreciate the art done for these episodes, its simple at parts but is till able to convey words and themes nearly perfectly
of all the episodes to have to re-upload because of a mistake it is very ironically funny to me that this episode had to be the one that being said it is a pleasure to rewatch as well
Neat, I didn’t notice the issue with the first upload as quickly as others, but the change does make more sense.
Weren't we here? Didn't we do this?
Or was this a dream?
Read it, liked it. Was left with the feeling it was trying to tell me something I just didn't get; but, wasn't willing to wade through it again to see if I could get it.
This book was insane. Made me question my sanity a few times.
Is it just me or the second you start watching extra credits/history you just cant stop watching this for like 1 too 4 hours?
Thank you for the introduction to Samuel R. Delaney's works. I suggest for anyone trying to get into his work to read Nova and Babel-17, both of these books had scenes ripped straight from Akira, or maybe it was influenced by them?
Both novels significantly pre-date Akira, so I think you mean Akira (1982) ripped off the scenes from Delany's novels Nova (1968) and Babel-17 (1966).
I read and enjoyed Nova. In terms of what inspired it, Delaney has made clear that novel was his version of Moby Dick
Blimey, I thought I'd been here before! ;)
I've tried reading this book several times and have put it down in frustration. If that's the definition of literature, give me some readable pulp.
Don't worry, Dhalgren is not "the definition of literature". Take it from someone who's actually read it; it's just a pointless, meandering slog through roughly 700 pages of insanely gratuitous sex scenes and that's about it. If I were you, I wouldn't waste any more time trying to read it.
Thank you. My respect increases.
Thank you guys for making content. You are my favourite CZcams channel. I am clinically depressed and your videos are one of the things that keep me excited to be alive. Thank you
I want to see movies based on Sam Delaney's stories !
When Extra Credits uploads, CZcams grows a few more braincells.
Superbuchi wow! Amazing comment.
I remember _trying_ to read Dhalgren as a nerdy 12-year old and giving up in the second chapter.
Same. I tried again around 17 or so, and finished it.
You didn't miss much.
Ugh I love this channel so much
Misquoted final/initial lines! "I have come to, to wound the autumnal city". (The comma is just to make it clear there's a brief pause as you flip back to the start of the book.)
This completely changes the message since it makes it clear that leaving the city changes your mental state. At first glance that means that entering Bellona also changed it but I don't think that's necessarily true - it might call out to wounded people who then leave after they've been healed in some way.
I wish I could remember where I read this observation so I could give them proper credit.
Yo that’s rad that you fixed that, representation is important!
Oh by the way DO HITCHIKER’S GUIDE TO THE GALAXY!
I'm sure they'll get to it.
Hey, I am anticipating a video on Albedo Anthropomorphics and the subculture it is credited for giving birth to.
wait what the heck is going on, Didn't i just watch this video yesterday
edit: İ saw what extra credits write in the comments
Good to have this back up.
this sounds like the anime Big O
Love the Macho Man reference!
I thought it was just me.
There is a rather long tradition of magical cities; Atlantis, Ultima Thule, Shangri La, Amber, Dhalgren. Hmm, I suppose there's more.
Laputa, Lemuria, a bunch more:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lost_lands#Mythological_lands
The initial confusion is one thing, but how did everyone seem to miss the explanation on the way to ask questions?
I struggled to process that statement more than I would like to admit :P
You guys need to do an episode on Borges, please!
Hold up reuploaded?
An interesting story I hope to read it sometime soon. It seems like an interesting setting.
Have you guys considered doing Dan Simmon's, Hyperion Cantos?
This is good. I did think he was white, though as a european the physical skin pigment holds more weight to me than heritage when thinking of whether you're black or white. In any case, now i know, thanks.
I spotted the ghost of a James script...
;)
If it so confusing and people can't understand it then why is it SF? Shouldn't it be Fantasy. Fantasy can get away with confusing etc. (Full Disclosure: Apart from Tolkien & Pratchett I don't read Fantasy. And I prefer SF that gives some sort of answer (even if it is implausible). I hate no answers.
Can yall do an extra history over the First and Second Schleswig wars
So this book is like the netflix series dark? it at least sounds similar like the time machine in dark was created because the inventor hat the broken future version of the time machine so he was able to reverse engineer it
so idk go watch dark its a great series and like onbe of the best german productions in the last 10 years and it even got a season 2 like 3 weeks ago
WOW so good!
mspaint tells me you now have him as rgb(227,199,180). What was he before?
What does dhueso mean? Is that a reference to something?
Are CZcams subs messing up again, or did we get 2 episodes today?
Really wish you had done Clifford Simak.
Lord, what a dirge this was.
I could not get into Delany. I read both _Dhalgren_ and _Triton._ To me, both of them were boring and hard to read. _Triton_ seemed to be about a self-centered man who went through many changes in body and circumstance, but with all the change about him, he himself remained the same jerk he started out. That may have been the point, but it was a boring one. The one work of his I liked was a short story called _Time Considered as a Helix of Semi-Precious Stones._ It was because I liked that which led me to force myself to finish the two novels.
This video is a loop, like the story
I figured this video looked all too familiar.
Dang, now I want to see the original...
When you're so early there's not much comments to read
Oi oi extra credits could you do an episode on the tale of B17 old 666 who survived a suicide mission whose crew are the most decorated of the USAF
Good of Extra Sci-fi to repost before we all get drafted.
2 extra sci -fi videos in one day? Wow guys! This season is awesome!
twin peaks s3 is dahlgren of tv series.
Love the v it was great
Why does the intro sound kind of like twilight zone?
The kid only had one shoe. Time to reupload the video. j/k I don't think "It's good because I don't understand it" is much of a recommendation. It has some sex scenes though.
I wonder why is there so many white guys annoyed with the reason of the repost. There is a Brazilian movie (Marighella) where the same kind of guy complained that the main actor was "way too black" compared to the historical figure. Sincerely, whoever relativizes portraying a black person as white has a serious problem. Extra credits are completely right in this. Well done.
Because so many yt people are used to being the center of the world. Its bullshit. Not everyone is as pale as a ghost.
I bet the Bookchemist on youtube could make more sense out of this book from a postmodern perspective. You're missing a diagram at the end where Delany goes porn crazy in his newer books, Hogg, etc.
Technically Hogg was one of his first books
Wait ive been here before
Is this time travel?
Delany must had been one of Christopher Nolan's favorite author: czcams.com/video/67e_jl4flpE/video.html
I see a pattern in these mind warping trops,a lot of the "answers" are not answers,it's usually speculation,ideas,theories and up to the reader,watcher exc. I feel like the authors of this trops are so focus in make the story complex and making the reader watcher exc want more that they forgot how it all works and how at really gets it message and or story acrossed,I think they use the not answer thing as an excuse,why would they write even more and put effort in writing how it works and what it means,when you can just say "it's up to the readers,watcher exc."
Wind noises
Samuel Delany openly supported NAMBLA his entire adult life. I don't need to spend any time with his work.
Bruh
Not amusing, but this reviews sounds like how someone, who hasn't read the book, would write a review of it. It hits on many of the basic ideas that other reviewers have said of the book, while not being at all specific. Half of the review is: here is the 1st and last sentence of the book, now here it is again written together, oh and it's circular, oh here's what Gibson said, then oh it's difficult, then oh kids journey was this and this (so broad as to not say anything specific, because someone who hasn't read this risks outing them self if they try to come up with something specific, just based off of all the other Wikipedia type reviews). Sorry for the negativity, but this review feels very insulting to Delany's art
I didn't saw the video the first time it came out, and I didn't finished it this time XD
It's just, I don't really like the books that gies me brain knobs ^^
Why won't these woke people make movies of Delaney's books instead of changing everything. I guess delaney is too woke for the woke.
I would have liked this book if there weren't an uncomfortable graphic sex scene every 20 pages. Horrible smutty book.
I read the book when it first came out I thought it was pretentious and boring
g
15th
This book still sounds like hot garbage
18th
Wow 6th comment
430th
As a pragmatist, this seems like exactly the kind of thing that makes me think postmodernism is useless, infuriating, pretentious vomit. It's why The Last Jedi was such a mess: when the point of a work is entirely to subvert expectation, it lacks a center, and thus a purpose, and thus a reason for me to care. Extreme relativism is the same as nihilism.
wut lmao
When all viewpoints are considered equal, none of them mean anything anymore. "When everybody's special, no one is."
First
But... Why is this sci fi? It looks interesting, but, sci fi?
Stop making sci-fi episodes I can't keep up there's too much to read!
Nobody understands this book.
A piece of crap novel.
This book sucks read one piece instead.
4th
you are actually the first
Second
third, just one off
Fourth
5th, one off
Dhalgren was one of the biggest wastes of time I've ever had reading a book. I admired its ability to toy with structure, (I'm always a sucker for any book that is an infinite loop!), but that's about all I liked about it. It sacrificed any sense of theme or metaphor for gratuitous sex scenes, plus Delaney wasn't even able to maintain that crazy-poetic prose that the book opens with. What you get is page after page of boring crap and unnecessarily detailed sex, then you'll get a random-ass paragraph of Herman Melville-level prose, then it's back to boringness and sex. The entire "New Wave of Science Fiction" canon is worthless crap.
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