Using WW1 Tactics in a WW2 Setting in Steel Division 2
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this video is older than the average age of a youtuber commenter
Damn he right.
They used trucks to transport soldiers to the frontlines... (Was in the later part of the war)
So 2?
im not sure if this is a joke about his audience's age or the fact that 99% of comments on youtube recently have been made by day-old bots
The 305mm hunfarian mortar is actually from ww1 austria hungary
"My artillery is finally coming in and it's shelling my own guys!" That right there is peak ww1 gameplay
they did some real good rp
That's peak experience for somme guy...
Aight I'll see myself out...
Goddamnit
I saw this as it happened in the video have a nice day
Affix bayonets for the emperor
If you want even more WWI style content, go for the Attack/Defense game mode. The Defender simulates planning comprehensive defensive lines, using structures such as trenches, bunkers, and barbed wire to choke-off parts of the battlefield and force the enemy to engage you how you want to be engaged, while the Attacker simulates dying en masse to entrenched, fortified positions even with superior technology to your enemy.
The true essence of World War 1.
yeah that would be cool
Clearly they're simulating the early Eastern Front here, with the masses of unwashed russians and hungarians repeatedly slamming against each other in big columns over the open fields.
interesting i'll take a look
Really? Hmm, I have seen this attitude before, so it should hardly surprise me by now. So let me let you in on a few little facts you are almost certainly not aware of.
The German Bewegungskrieg Tactics of WWII? Bewegungskrieg by the way is what the German's actually called what is commonly (and erroneously) referred to as 'Blitzkrieg'. Those tactics were very heavily based upon the Stosstruppen Tactics of late 1917 and early 1918, which were in turn based on prior German reliance on Vernichtungsschlacht. The Germans simply added vehicles to tried and true tactics and adjusted them to take into account the extra mobility and increased requirement for communications because of that increased mobility. There was nothing NEW about the Doctrine however.
In other words German WWII military Doctrine was literally BUILT on German WWI Doctrine, with the changes you would expect of a non mechanised force moving to mechanised and armoured warfare. It was not a case of Bewegungskrieg being revolutionary, more a clear and logical development of what was already THERE.
Contrary to popular belief most of the Generals tried to avoid their troops dying en masse in attacks. That degrades manpower, and also contrary to popular belief most WWI Generals were not in fact Sociopaths or Psychopathic monsters incapable of empathy. If you actually bothered to look at how tactics evolved and changed over WWI I guarantee you that you would be shocked at how much they did.
WWI is literally the birth place of Modern Combined Arms Warfare. The Mud and the Blood of the Trenches is where the principles of Combined Arms Warfare in the modern context were developed. It was a form of warfare that literally DID NOT EXIST before 1914, no matter what many claim. Those Generals had to learn those principles the hard way, and then they had to learn how to apply them. None of them succeeded until 1918 when a mixture of technological progress and the refinement of tactics and doctrines had progressed to a point to allow the new method of warfare to be fully unleashed. And it was, but not in the German Spring Offensives, it was unleashed in what British Historians call the 100 days, from July 1918 - November 1918....
Generally I find those people who go on about lack of tactics or tactical innovation from 1914 - 1918 can write their knowledge of the subject on a postage stamp in crayon. In other words, they are clueless.
@@alganhar1 Man you really snapped about a fucking meme comment. Get outside, stop falling for the same Sargon bullshit you've been falling for your entire life, and just touch some fucking grass.
Minor defeat boys. 1000000 men and women died and we lost 10 meters
But atleast women are no more.
Rookie Numbers
Imperium of Man moment
Vale really loves holding onto the idea of trench warfare being relevant like the British Generals before France fell.
Nice
I think you will find that is utter bullshit, in 1940 the British Expeditionary Force (BEF) was the only fully mechanised/motorised army in the world. Period. Even leg infantry had truck transport. And this is not truck transport attached to the infantry, this is truck transport that was organic to the infantry. You do not fully mechanise an army like that if you are only expecting Trench Warfare. The British concept was actually one of rapid counterattacks to force enemy attacks onto the defensive or break their momentum, NOT on Trench Warfare. Did they get all their doctrine right, nope, they did not, but they were better prepared than the French were, and not even the Germans got everything right. Their own Doctrines were to reveal significant and catastrophic weaknesses later in the war.
You would do well to actually learn something about the Tactical Doctrines of a Nations Army during a particular time period before making stupid comments upon said doctrine from a position of ignorance. The Defensive stance of the BEF in France and Belgium was actually forced upon them by the FRENCH whose plan was to fight a defensive war in Belgium. This was made worse by the French High Commands refusal to use Radio communications, preferring telephones or even runners, and their generally less than forward attempts at communicating to their supposed Allies just what they intended or what they wanted the BEF to do. The end result was that the BEF was essentially left in the lurch by French High Command and more or less left to their own devices beyond what relationships they could build up with the local French Commanders in their immediate AO.
@@alganhar1 It was a joke, no need to take it seriously. I am aware that France and their obsessive fixation with the Maginot Line is what led to Manstein's breakthrough. However, I should note Britain did believe the next war would be based around trench warfare with only a handful of commanders fully being able to recognize the importance of tanks and motorization outside of infantry support or logistics.
@@alganhar1 Dropping paragraphs everytime you get upset over a joke must be going good in life
Boomer alert
"I rushed all my men in and it didn't work? What happened?!" - the british during the battle of the Somme
“But the last thing they would expect is for us to do it twice” the British before the second battle of the Somme
@@dionjaywoollaston1349 Tactics used on the first day of the Battle of the Somme were totally different to those used on the last, FOUR MONTHS LATER. That battle is about more than just the first day you know.
And there was no second Battle of the Somme, just as the British never used the tactics used on the first day again, which if you have ever really studied WWI tactics and how those tactics evolved (as I have), you would know.
But easier to just fucking stereotype everything than actually LEARN right? Learning is hard, Stereotyping everything is nice and easy, even if it is so much bullshit....
@@alganhar1 i'm sensing this might be personal and i did look up the dates for the battle but i guess i misread them, also buddy i was just making a joke based on a stereotype so i'm genuinely sorry it offended you
@@alganhar1 bro chill will ya no need for anger not every one will feel genuine curiosity about ww1 and ww2 some people would rather just focus on the future then the past
@@alganhar1 bro chill
At the end, you guys had 31,650 casualties combined. That's pretty mild for a WW1 battle
I mean for a single battle yes, but just a day or week of combat that's pretty close
@@kontanaizumi considering that Stalingrad caused 2 mio military casualties within 8 months, if you calculate the death toll of this day's battle up to Stalingrads time span you'd get to over 8 million. So this battle alone would be the most devastating of WW2 or one of the most devastating battles.
the british and commonwealth troops alone lost almost 60000 men at the first day of the battle of the somme. (Though not all of them killed)
@@johgekpoint6299 To be fair thats one of the battles most well known for its casualties
@@andresvalverde5182
Not every battle is Stalingrad
Not every battle is Verdun
Some are Castle Itter
Some are just another Battle in a wider war
I'd say the average battle of either ww1 wouldn't be closer to a thousand (rounding up)
And the majority of major battles actually had less then 50,000 casualties
We're just culturally OBSESSED with major battles that cost over 100,000 lives
Like The battle of the Bulge, or Kursk
2:00 I would like to correct my past younger self. The germans did have 12inch guns. Not that it matters, since that is a hungarian unit. After a quick google its the Austro-hungarian arty from ww1, used by all axis powers apart from Japan. So there you go, its an athuentic ww1 unit
*nervously sweating as the thicc berta rolls up*
There are two kinds of armies:
Those with artillery.
And those that lose.
Had you done this in breakthrough you could had built actual trenches and barbed wire for 10 times the ww1 experience
What game
@@AceOfBlackjack steel division 2, the same game just different game mode
@@simwish6921 HOW DO I ACTIVATE IT
@@AceOfBlackjack I DON'T KNOW IT'S PROBABLY UNDER THE GAME MODE DROP DOWN THO BRO
@@umad42TELL ME WHY
The terrifying thing about SD2 is that artillery literally counters everything except aircraft which can in turn be neutralized by good aa. I've seen king tigers get murdered by 81mm mortars and it is a beautiful sight to see a wheraboos dreams get crushed by a shell raining down from on high.
Our shells will black out the sun.
imagine using a king tiger in this game smh
Thus how I play 'gainst my friends every time, I live off their suffering
Tigers always die to artillery shells, alive or not
Being rushed by french sherman swarms or slowly shelled to death by artillery. The duality of man
This is less WWI and more Napoleonic Wars being played out by apes. No cover, no trenches, no endless environmental shelling, no miles of barbed wire.. Just a bunch of people in lines shooting at one another until enough poor bastards on the other side fall over.
In short? that's some goood content.
Nah. There's a reason they played Axis vs Soviets. This pretty much exactly what the Eastern front was like.
"I have an army. What do you have?"
One cheeky artillery boi: *A map and a stopwatch.*
The whole 12" gun thing at 2:00 is true, but not for the reasons you think. The Germans had a _bigger_ gun: the _16"_ Krupp Gamma mortars. The Austrians had similarly sized Skoda pieces. These guns were used to reduce the Liege Forts in 1914, and took part in some of the largest bombardments of the Great War, including the initial bombardment at Verdun.
Did škoda produce mortars too??? man this company is wild
@@MartinCech-jb3eh 12” bore mortars at that. Skoda was a major armaments works until really recently, and I think they still produce vehicles for the Czech army.
True you can visit the skoda gun in the Heeresgeschichtlichen Museum in Vienna.
Never forget Haig's words: "Warfare is based. . . On firepower!"
Wrong! Bayonet rules the battlefield!
"All warfare is based" -Sun Tzu
Sounds like a German thing to say
@@lolasdm6959 both
also i know i spelled haig wrong at 14:45 sue me
I will
Spel da houg incowrongly
Hague is where Haig will end up to stand trial for sending all of Lithuania and Latvia to die in one battle
Game experience will not be optimal was what greeted every Frenchman as they enlisted
It would be interesting see a WW1 tactics in Wargame: Red Dragon.
oh god
I second this idea
More like ww1 tactics in Warno.
Though, game might be a little too scuffed for that to workbe right now
So... Wonsan Harbour?
Red Dragon has so much potential for comedy rounds, be it a million T-34-85s versus Chaffees, or STRV-103s dug in at a river crossing shooting a wall of BMPs while facing overwhelming artillery.
there are literal units of only rifles in the game, plus you can place trenches. we gotta see a part 2 to this video
your videos are a masterpiece of editing, sound, humour, and overall quality, very happy to see that you are back
The 🐐 is back
One man once said, "history repeat itself"
valefisk: using ww1 tactics in ww2 war *perfection*
MIcheal Jesus. Son of Michael Jordan. 🥇
Population of the entire Baltic states: *dead*
Field Marshal Haig: Tis but a scratch
I actually did a similar thing to this with my buddies in wargame red dragon, only ww1 stuff allowed. So basically you had to use only the worst infantry (usually Korean war shit), no planes, no helis, no tanks ofc, no transports. Same thing with mega artillery but we had so much artillery relative to infantry that tactics just collapsed as everyone except me slowly attritioned to death trying to fight for terrain. Eventually I had the amazing Field Marshall Haig plan to just not spawn anything until everybody else had basically collapsed, then use smoke shells to cover my literally 2000 infantry units charging straight at the enemy. That charge won the game, ww1 tactics are OP
*The virtual incarnation of "We have more men than you have bullets."*
As a fellow "previous war tactics to fight current war" player, this is exactly what I expected. Though there shouldve been more artillery, you never have enough artillery.
"I don't understand, I rushed all my men and it didn't work? What happened?!" Douglas Haig, July 2nd, 1916.
for everyone wondering, "MUSTAD MANTLID" means the "black coats"
When in doubt pull the artillery out
Me: ‘wait, didn’t he do this in Company of Heroes already? Why’s he doing it agai-‘
*Sees that it’s Steel Division 2*
Me: ‘Oh. Oh no.’
legit just watched the other ww1 video, great timing Vale in 2021 for knowing what I would crave in 2022.
I think there should be another rule: Some armored cars are allowed. Only those armed with machine guns though. Those were used sometimes in WWI IIRC, it was just VERY rare and pretty much died out completely when trench warfare was in full swing, since they would get stuck in the muck and couldn’t cross trenches.
The opening phase looks more like napoleonic warfare than WW1
Could you try Graviteam Tactics, Mius Front? It's a pretty underappreciated game, most campaigns being set on the Eastern Front in WW2. There's an Angolan Bush War module, too.
i like how literally noone responded to your “where’s steiner when you need him”
that was a good book.
“Those who cannot learn from history are destined to repeat it.”
THANK YOU FOR HAVING A POPULAR CHANNEL AND COVERING MY FAVORITR GAME
No goblins were harmed in the making of this video.
Found you were back as this uploaded, thanks.
I must say I love how the wargaming community is the one single demographic outside of Hungary who know who Horthy was.
3:32 _she really thought you'd be home by the time the leaves fall_
Im so goddamn happy youre back you legend. Long live the Fisk
these last 2 videos have been some iv my favorite you've made
Ah yes more sweet scuffed gameplay
think this will blow up, never seen your channel before, but got this in my recomended
Good video, very fun to watch, gonna try this but infantry only in both team
Valefisk you're genuinely amazing at making content, I'm happy that you're back at last
Not even joking, whenever I see you fucking around in games and stuff, it brings a smile to my face. I especially enjoyed watching the Company of Heroes' videos
Keep up the spectacular work you wonderful role model of a human being
I NEED more of this
I've made a bunch of faux-WWI decks in Steel Division '44 as well, though I only play AI games with them on account of not having any friends who play SD, it's great fun. SD44 is my favourite Eugen RTS, I could never get into SD2 unfortunately.
Play ww1 game using modern military tactics.
That'd be intresting to see
Giving a little bit of context about those "Mustad Mantlid" Candy is using. 😀 As you may see in 3:53, his division is "7. Eesti Laskurdiviis" which means "7th Estonian Rifle Corps". During WW2, most Estonians either fought as partisans or joined German forces early in the war. By the 1944 when Soviets came around, an "Estonian division" was put together from forced conscripts, morale was low and armament was (even for Soviet standards) lacking.
Long story short: "Mustad Mantlid" means "Black Coats" and they were the ill-equipped, non-trained Soviet conscripts from Estonia.
Thanks for the content
They had motorised infantry in ww1
Ratio
I wondered where you went, welcome back
A true work of art!
"Shatter their skies!"
*sound of two thousands men killed by friendly artillery*
"All warfare is based on artillery"
-Sun Tzu
Counter battery is trigonometry, based on the impact of the shells and the slight angle that the shellhole ends out at due to the angle of impact.
They utilised it in WWI when possible, because they tried to keep the artillery out of range of the opposite side's.
Very nice brother.
Good job
If the tactic still works, it’s not outdated. Peace through superior firepower will always remain in vogue.
i was just watching the Company of Heroes WW1 one and now theres another
A video about WWI and then I hear Transformers! First you had my curiosity, now you have my attention.
Yay, another valefisk tactics!! C:
Valefisk I would love to play some Company of Heroes with you man, your vids gave me serious nostalgia
Welcome back Vale! Looks like your sentence in the Hague is finally over
God I love the Goblin goon squad
I want to see more of this
Fun fact: the Verdun exclusion zone still contains an estimated 12 million unexploded shells from WWI
return of the king
The king is back, ALL HAIL THE KING!!!
Very good
Blackadder Goes Forth references? My time has come
Use the "hunt" function for infantry and at/support guns.
Watching these new videos has reminded me why Valetfrisk was my favourite CZcamsr
3:03 little do they know that this will be modern warfare tactics
"In terms of people, we have no people."
-Valefisk
"Brown-water navy" Ah yes, because they're up shit creek without a paddle
I bet Michael Jesus is just his stage name which came from years of his coworkers being startled when he entered the room.
Ah, the Transformers Wiki is a fucking gem. Happy to see people looking at it.
*Sabaton - Price of a Mile intensifies*
THOUSANDS OF FEET MARCH TO THE BEAT
valefisk content is perfect for when I want to turn my brain off and just relax and have a laugh or two, keep it up!
Damn I Was Getting Worried.
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A world war one or an interwar period steel division would be amazing
that Michael Jesus bit was gold 😂
You finally uploaded
CZcams doesn't even notified your upload, but I'm here
finally, my recommended is actually giving me GOOD SHIT again
Woah, Vales back and with a bang, he actually uploaded 2 videos in a month 😳.
He's alive!
That description better be accurate!
The casualties lol
You can select units and press "R" to make them fall back so they wont all surrender or get killed when pinned.
Damn wish u should have done this in 10v10 ! Awesome man
Michael Jesus calling and his response being “Uh… no” is the funniest shit I have ever heard
I once heard someone call the guys at 6:36 "Mustard Manlets"
the 305mm is the 305mm Skoda Model 1911
You can technically do WW1 tactics in Wargame Red Dragon
turning hills into flatland with sheer firepower
When they told me I needed to find Jesus, I never even thought to look in New Jersy.