Thank you for doing this comparison! I have the jdm typeS and always wondered how similar they were too the manual. Now we know I glad I’ve stuck with the auto. Yes thou much fun having a manual one for extra mods.
The Accord Euro, in my opinion is arguably one of the best cheaper driver oriented vehicles on the market. It can be used as a daily, track or street car. Even seen it sometimes used as a time attack car here in Australia. Only main thing i’d say with auto vs manual is the how heavily tuned you want your car. Slapping on harsher mods such as turbos is more forgiving in manual versions of this car because with auto you’d have to change the torque converter and such if you want to push pass around 5-8PSI of boost (Around 250HP/180KW with bolt ons, injectors etc and stock internals give or take). But with manual expect gains over 200KW/270HP and higher boost in manual with similar modifications. Of course if there is a will theres a way, so if whether you plan on grabbing a sick Manual or Auto version of these cars just look at the pros and cons on what you wanna do with these cars.
Yeah kinda outlined that in the video. Both are good, but auto is only really suited to N/A mods, manual is a little more engaging and can handle more power, and has the option of LSD
Glad you finally gave auto accords the praise they deserve. The reason these autos feel so good is cause Honda's autos are actually really similar to a manual trans (it uses clutch packs instead of synchros) so it puts down the power really nicely
Owned many cars hondas auto and manual d b and ks honda autos are rubbish man fucking power sucking spongy piles of shit best stock auto imo is the 6cly au falcon there nice
@@BIGSMOKE-bl2lq ok so you're comparing a 90's Honda 4 speed with a 2010's zf6? Riiiight. The Honda 5 speed autos in these accords are very good for the era. The falcon zf6 is sloppy by design. Bmw tunes the zf6 much better
How 🤔 ? I also have a modified full bolt on tune cl9 ....auto and I use it in the sportshift tiptronic 90% of the time I'm driving...but never tried Rev matching it ....thanks in advance!
@@KiwiCarLife Yeah it was a very helpful video. The only thing is that his car was a type s so he was already up by 8kw from factory and your car was still just quicker. If his had the k24a3 with 140kw, your car would've beat him by an even bigger gap. But then again, his was a luxury model so it weighs more. But overall it was much closer than I expected tbh.
@@alperena4698 yeah tbh the differences between the a3 and a2 once they're modified become less and less apparent, given most of the initial differences are in tuning as far as I'm aware
@@KiwiCarLife Yeah, that seems fair enough. I still want the manual though just for the driving experience. It's going to take me a while to find a decent condition one for a reasonable price though.
i own the jdm accord cl7 20EL jdm version with K20z2 automatic but i added intake and Hayden 679 trans cooler, it sounds awesome trans cooler is a must mod for accord with fully synthetic ATF for these accords i love the Accord so much
Absolutely brilliant - again. I have an Auto here is Australia. So much potential but Honda just missed it. That tune fixes so many of the issues with the std version. Too long gears (the tune minimises this issue), minimal V-Tec time (doesn't activate until 6000rpm), changes gears at 6800 instead of the rev limit, throttle is way too aggressive higher in the rev range. I have always wondered how an auto would go with a shorter diff ratio. Any chance for another review but this time doing some timed testing? Cheers David
Cheers yeah the tune makes a massive difference. Potentially... the guy lives in auckland but I'm probably gonna rematch once he does a few more modifications to his
@@KiwiCarLife k24a2 is a higher spec engine than k24a3 and in terms of mods the a2 is doesn't handle them as well as the a3. The a3 here in South africa produces 150kws and there is another varient of the a2 which produces 153kws. Also the a2 engine costs alot more than the a3 internals for some reason. I won't swop my a3 for an a2. It's the perfect one for both reliabily and pleasure. One thing about the video. The rolling race. You can't test your 3rd gear to his 2nd. Can't compare unless you running really big power. Both cars should've been in 2nd car despite the difference in drive train
Great comparison, great video. Your like a young NZ Jeremy Clarkson 😅. Having driven manuals my entire life, and then having to commute in heavy traffic, I'll never again drive a manual.... Maybe it's just a getting older thing and realising the whole manual / auto debate is just a bit pointless.
Auto for me, I'm surprised at the little acceleration difference. If you hadn't changed your transmission gears to the type r he would have definitely caught you if not surpassed.
Nah because then I would have started in second instead of third. Only reason he pulled in the first race is because I started out of vtec. 2nd race I was in vtec and pulled
No, they are not the same engine. The facelift JDM Accord and the 06-08 TSX's K24A2 have bigger cams (biggest OEM K series), intake ports, intake manifold and exhaust ports etc so that is what compensates for it was auto.
That is interesting that they put electric power steering on the JDM type s accord. I was under the impression that the JDM type s model and the American TSX were identical power train and engine wise but the tsx has an A2 with hydrolic power steering like yours. Kind of odd
This is a very cool comparison,I’ve had 2 Acura TL types which is almost the same platform as the tsx(accord) here in the US first I had an auto and it shifts so nice can’t complain but then I get my dream TL types 6mt fell in love 🙌 It would be cool if u review a TL here in the us dude🤟
Yeah and so it should... I gave the auto an advantage by starting one gear higher. If I started in 2nd like the auto I would have walked. But I reckon a close race is a good race
Hopefully next time Liam is up in Auckland we can meet up for another video as I have not finished with modifying the type s yet, lots more to come in the future as I would like to see how far I can push the auto keeping it N/A but I think the most restricting factor is that once I build the motor I won't be able to rev it any higher due to the auto transmission.
@@KiwiCarLife need to find out how to make the auto trans handle more rpms reliably... I'm already looking into a level 10 torque converter but still need to find out more as there's not much info around on them, there must be a way to modify the box to make it handle higher rpms
@@08CL9 do you have any socials? Insta/CZcams where I could see the progress of your Type S? I got the same Spec 06 Type S from JDM fully stock. Wanna learn some from you
The ones that have electric power steering have it like this because they are equipped with honda sensing package ( adaptive cruise control and lane keeping assyst ) so they need the electric motor for steering corrections Indeed the auto is good because it uses hydraulic clutchpacks with normal helical gears, not planetary ones. They used that in order to avoid paying for licensing and royalty to Aisin or other gearbox manufacturee
@@KiwiCarLife i started making english language videos too, i own a CL9 executive manual with serge bo's reflash and header, and this car got me into making CZcams videos in romanian language. Just drove it yesterday:)) The problem in continental Europe, Romania, where i'm from, is that people think the supreme car is a boring passat diesel, and you don't have acces to honda parts for mods For example the Euro R gearbox with lsd costs 2000 euros just to buy it from Russia, an intake manifold is over 600 euros. There are russian and ukrainian folks that tune the hell out of the cl9 with 3k euros and get 300whp out of the engine. Pistons, conrods,camshafts, vtc gear, intake and header, catback, short gearbox, acura TL throttle body, tsx or hondata ECU, ram air intake or CAI, suspension upgrades, rims, big brake kit To do a mod like this in Romania you spend over 10k euros. I got to drive a heavily modded one, except for camshafts intake and throttle body and it drives like mine on the freeway, for example 100 200kmh he does it in 4 5 6 gears and i do it in 3 4 5, same acceleration time. So if i had that money I'd rather travel, buy ski gear, and just maintain a perfect mechanical state for the car as it is my daily driver
Nice one, back in the day of CD6 Accord SIR there was a massive difference in performance between auto and manual, mostly due to the auto being 4 speed and terribly slow at shifting, tcu tuning is a game changer. I just tcu tuned my bmw 116i, it did 0 to 100 in 6.29 with slow ish shifts and changing gear at too low rpm, so maybe I'll get into the 5s, vid on my channel as I know it's hard to believe a 116i doing that lol
How amazing is that?! Exact same mods for the auto! That is so neat! I enjoy my automatic on the daily commutes but hanging out with my mates I wish I had the manual hah. Looking at an 86 for my manual fun :)
Well.. I'm getting an estate JDM Type-S and will be doing a K20a2 head swap with cams. It is an auto, so it's good to see the comparison. Great video as always. Is the gearbox mapped separately or as part of the ecu refresh?
Nice! Gearbox tune is a part of the engine map. And tbh I wouldn't bother with the k20a2 head. Just put cams in the k24a2 head and you'll get the same result
@KiwiCarLife cheers..thinking of this. Planning Drag cartels, RRC Intake, J37 TB, plm header and a Guppe-M Intake. What sort of power am I expecting? 200kw?
Really? What's the point to do a rolling race to compare manual vs automatic and then start In 2 in the A and 3 in the M to compensate the difference? Precisely the difference is there... I just don't believe your Accord is faster than a 250hp one just because a little short gear and then an automatic with same power is just equally fast?
I was more trying to demonstrate the fact that the auto doesn't lose much power through the transmission, and because mine has shorter gears so for other manual owners it wouldn't be as helpful
With the crazy prices of fuel can you do a review of what its like driving a stock CL9 with E10, unleaded 91(if that's even possible) , unleaded premium 95 (recommended fuel) and unleaded premium 98. Recommended using a car that the owners already using E10 with or willing to try it out.
That typeS sounds and looks insane And you can tell in the video that response when you floor it, it just goes Since yours is not a daily driver you don’t really get bothered by dealing with the gauge pedal every time Glad To see an auto slightly moded and being able to compete with yours I wonder how an original Euro R moded as you did would compare
Yeah a Euro R would probably give mine a run too. They have less overhead tho, so where with the same mods a K24 might gain 25kW and 50Nm, a Euro R might only gain 10kW and 20Nm
Have the "same" accord but diesel. What a car. Maybe not fast as yours but still going strong. 411.000km !!! Average consumption 4.3l / 100km. Great car. I have something on my car rarely seen all over - door side trims 😉
6th gen ATR /euro R was the beat in my opinion, lighter, stiffer, and that LSD h22a/7 combo. Also SiR wagons are awesome looking and AWD and AWD is what is missing on euro/USA spec accords.
@@KiwiCarLife I've said the same when I sold my VI gen, wish I never did. But AWD is misteriously missing from accords everywhere but not Japan. Vi gen JDM had AWD, vii gen had it also. AWD would change the way look at this car.
@@KiwiCarLife thanks for the advice. Made a decision today to buy a silver CL9 manual. Hopefully the car will come next week or early after next. Can't wait to drive this CL9. Thank you.
If you compare auto cars of Toyota/honda same era sports sedan/hatch class the honda ratios for the auto seem to stick way closer to the ratios of the manual while toyotas ones are way too long hurting their 0-100 times and outright performance
Yeah pretty much, you just like tap it just after you pull the gear stick down, which in that gap between changing gears will rev it up and make it smoother and faster. And it sounds cool haha
Does all K-Series automatic gearboxes have the same gearings? Or is there any automatic gearbox with shorter gearings (that would fit in a Accord CL9, K24), that would be more suitable for a track car?
🎉 I’m trying to get a daily first car CL7 and debating if I should get a 145k km vs 100k km mileage car in which the 100k km mileage car cost $30k HKD more . Not sure if I should stick to the high mileage one as it will depreciate less anyways and not worth it for the added money for 45k km more mileage. What do you think? The 100k of course looks better with some mugen parts and 145k has a Js racing exhaust.
Now, I am a bit lost. How come the Euro with 2.4 engine? Supposed to be 2.0, isn't it? There should be 2.0, 2.4 and Euro R 2.0 (in JDM - which is about 200hp) and Euro AU, NZ and Fiji? I have a 2003 2.4 executive auto which is 140kw/189hp but I'm in Europe. To me somehow engine doesn't add up 😂😅
There is no way those 2 will be near in performance, is either you didn't test it correctly or the auto has more power, if similar power the manual one should have destroyed the auto. The auto has more power loss in the transmission and very long gears. You most probably tested them for very narrow power band (only 2-3 gears and stopped), it can be seen on your video when auto was in 2nd and you in 3rd that you recover the gap but you stopped the test. I bet you could have catch up and passed him.
Yes this. The auto is k24a2 and his is k24a3 which is less power. Idk though I own an auto. I'm guessing its alot of factors like the throttle response in the manual. It's cool to see I might have to get the kflash now. 4k vtec sounds nice especially with the long gears. I already have hondata reflash but I'll dyno these two different reflash tunes for sure.
There was a combination of factors, he has the a2, I have the a3, he started in vtec because his tune puts it at 4k whereas I started out of vtec because mine is set at 4.8k, and his 2nd is slightly shorter than my 3rd. But all in all, if we both started in 2nd I would have walked, but what's the point? Ofc you would expect that to happen. This really highlighted that the auto doesn't really lose much power through the transmission at all
What does a clean cl9 auto go for? What is apropiate price...There a dealership here in. New plymouth that has one for $13k fresh import 4.5 car is immaculate
Im looking at getting a cl9 and im kinda stuck between getting an auto or a manual, this video helped alot, although ive got a question, Did you time the 0-100 for the auto and what time did it get if so, if not what do you estimate it would be?
How would you say the electric power steering of the JDM Type S and Euro R compare to that in the CU2? And would you still rate the CU2 over the CL9 if looking for an auto?
Frankly I actually think the cu2 steering is quite good. And yeah if you want a “nicer” car then go for an nz new cu2. A tidy import auto cl9 tho is still a great drivers car. I dunno… drive them all and decide for yourself
I want your help. How is the CL7 compared to CL9? CL7 comes with an “economy” K20 with the economy i-VTEC obviously. I’m not looking forward to high horsepower builds, want to stay NA with decent torque/horsepower for daily driving fun. Moreover, it’s auto. 😛 So is it worth it? Car’s in immaculate condition though with low mileage.
I wouldn't recommend the K20 one if you're looking to do any mods. They don't have as much potential as the K24 and the fuel economy differences are negligible
I got really confused, why would the jdm cars have EPS being put in, especially with the type s (sport trim) version. How can one check if a particular car has a hydraulic or electric steering, because I'm wondering about the european market ones with the auto transmission, thanks.
You'll see the power steering pump in the bottom left corner of the engine bay. I've been told it's because some of them came with adaptive cruise and lane keep assist so would need a means to control the steering electronically
@@KiwiCarLife Yep, found some similar information, that if the car has LKAS , it definetely will have EPS, but funny thing is I've took a look at a 2006 sedane as well as touring versions original brochures. The sedane one says that it uses PAS acrros the range, except for the 2.0 base version, the touring one says it uses PAS except for the top trim with the LKAS. So I guess the only way to find out is to see what's going on under the hood. Btw, what does the EPS system uses, some kind of motor?
Hey! Im looking for one of these Type S, please, can you tell me, if the steering wheel buttons, are iluminated? I read something, and the answers are different, someone say yes, someone no, but im not hundred perfent sure, your Accord is sick! In Europe, especially in my country, Czech Repuplic, there is small chance, to catch this beauty car, thank you, for your response, have a nice day!
@@Kryonixxx 6.8 seconds is the best I can do 0-100 in the auto, it's a bit slow of the mark compared to the manual as you can't really launch the auto but once it gets going it pulls hard.
@@alancsalt in manual you can regulate the fuel consumption because you control your gear whereas in auto unless you’re changing gear will start to use more fuel because it’s considered “sport mode” in cl9 autos hope this helps! I had boths but it all depends on how you drive
I just got one auto type s. It's has much torque for 4 cylinder but this is a very slow car. I realize I got less than 300,km for 50 liters. 13mpg. Something is wrong? Average combined range is 560 km but I got less than 300 😂
@@KiwiCarLife I didnt mean no bashing I love this car, handles better than my r33 gtst lololol. anyway, im going to replace cat and both o2 and see whats up! also the motor has 300k on it!
Ah yes! Been waiting for this one! How did you find the coilovers in the Auto? Currently looking into getting some Tein’s for mine but curious about those coilovers, looks like the drop is much lower than yours too?
The hardrace coilovers in the auto can go alot lower they still have 2 more inches of adjustment left, I don't want it any lower as it's my daily and makes it to hard to use if I go any lower as I don't want to scrape and wreck the underneath of the car.
For genuine red honda badges like I have you need to get them from Japan or a local dealer but they come at a cost as they are genuine and last and don't crack or fade, mine are from Amayama in Japan.
@@KiwiCarLife yes, it’s what Toyota built to compete with the Accord in Australia. They called it the xv40 and it came with a 2.4L 2AZ-FE or a 3.5L 2GR-FE. I think the 2.4L MT would be a great matchup for the accord.
Ah alright, the 2AZ’s seem to perform pretty well and tend to keep up with the k24 with stock 0-100 times. However I don’t think the k24 would stand a chance against a 2GR FE, maybe that would be a good bout.
That’s not really true tbh. I get where you’re going because “in theory” less moving parts means more reliable but in practice both are equally reliable. Arguably an auto would be cheaper to maintain coz you don’t have to do a clutch every 100,000km ish
The pre-facelift type-s had the K24A3 with hydraulic steering. Glad I didn't go for the facelift... Also with regards to the automatic SERVICE THE FLUID RELIGIOUSLY. They are notoriously weak. Pamper them.
@@The_Noticer. fom what I hear this auto trans are one of more reliable autos of any car from that era. On pair with w211 5 speed a/t Talk that honda auto tnas are trash is coming from USA v6 models, not applicable to cl cars
It’s obvious my friend that you aren’t a pretty good driver cuase a manual car with a real good driver will beat at automatic car. Period. And I can prove it to you anytime
Hi!! I hope all is well! At your own time could please if you know tell me where I could find the tsx automatic gear leather? I have the silver plastic but I want the one he has and I can’t find it at all🥲 please and thank you!
Thank you for doing this comparison! I have the jdm typeS and always wondered how similar they were too the manual. Now we know I glad I’ve stuck with the auto. Yes thou much fun having a manual one for extra mods.
The auto is good man!
I am impressed that auto Accord same modification and it still keeps up with ur car that is next level car I guess
Yeah for sure
The Accord Euro, in my opinion is arguably one of the best cheaper driver oriented vehicles on the market. It can be used as a daily, track or street car. Even seen it sometimes used as a time attack car here in Australia. Only main thing i’d say with auto vs manual is the how heavily tuned you want your car. Slapping on harsher mods such as turbos is more forgiving in manual versions of this car because with auto you’d have to change the torque converter and such if you want to push pass around 5-8PSI of boost (Around 250HP/180KW with bolt ons, injectors etc and stock internals give or take). But with manual expect gains over 200KW/270HP and higher boost in manual with similar modifications. Of course if there is a will theres a way, so if whether you plan on grabbing a sick Manual or Auto version of these cars just look at the pros and cons on what you wanna do with these cars.
Yeah kinda outlined that in the video. Both are good, but auto is only really suited to N/A mods, manual is a little more engaging and can handle more power, and has the option of LSD
Damn that auto cl9 looks 🔥🔥!!!
I love my manual cars but couldn't care less if i had an auto like that
Oh yeah it looks fantastic aye - one of the most tastefully modified ones I've seen
Always interesting to compare 2 very similar cars.
Indeed
Glad you finally gave auto accords the praise they deserve. The reason these autos feel so good is cause Honda's autos are actually really similar to a manual trans (it uses clutch packs instead of synchros) so it puts down the power really nicely
Yeah for sure
Owned many cars hondas auto and manual d b and ks honda autos are rubbish man fucking power sucking spongy piles of shit best stock auto imo is the 6cly au falcon there nice
@@BIGSMOKE-bl2lq ok so you're comparing a 90's Honda 4 speed with a 2010's zf6? Riiiight. The Honda 5 speed autos in these accords are very good for the era. The falcon zf6 is sloppy by design. Bmw tunes the zf6 much better
I bought a CL9 auto as a daily driver a few months ago because of your content!
Glad to see mine can keep up if I get some good mods in ☺️
Nice!
As an auto cl9 owner, I love rev matching my downshifts so much 🤣
Oh it's fantastic aye
How 🤔 ? I also have a modified full bolt on tune cl9 ....auto and I use it in the sportshift tiptronic 90% of the time I'm driving...but never tried Rev matching it ....thanks in advance!
How long have u been doing it for and does it have any negative impact on the transmission or drivetrain ?
@@FlameDC5 nah not at all
@@craveboost24 tried that and found it consumes a lot of fuel that way
It's cool how much the Accord Euro is appreciated outside America. It's overlooked in USA, people usually want the Acura TL 3.2 V6, Civic Si, etc.
Oh yeah mate becoming increasingly popular here
Yay, the video I've been waiting for has come
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@KiwiCarLife Yeah it was a very helpful video. The only thing is that his car was a type s so he was already up by 8kw from factory and your car was still just quicker. If his had the k24a3 with 140kw, your car would've beat him by an even bigger gap. But then again, his was a luxury model so it weighs more. But overall it was much closer than I expected tbh.
@@alperena4698 yeah tbh the differences between the a3 and a2 once they're modified become less and less apparent, given most of the initial differences are in tuning as far as I'm aware
@@KiwiCarLife Yeah, that seems fair enough. I still want the manual though just for the driving experience. It's going to take me a while to find a decent condition one for a reasonable price though.
i own the jdm accord cl7 20EL jdm version with K20z2 automatic but i added intake and Hayden 679 trans cooler, it sounds awesome
trans cooler is a must mod for accord with fully synthetic ATF for these accords i love the Accord so much
Nice!
How can I see witch variations of K20 am using?
@@tantofumo5527 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_K_engine#K20
Love your channel, excellent content
Thanks man!
so when is that blue supercharged cl7 video coming 👀
HMMMMMMM
Absolutely brilliant - again. I have an Auto here is Australia. So much potential but Honda just missed it. That tune fixes so many of the issues with the std version. Too long gears (the tune minimises this issue), minimal V-Tec time (doesn't activate until 6000rpm), changes gears at 6800 instead of the rev limit, throttle is way too aggressive higher in the rev range. I have always wondered how an auto would go with a shorter diff ratio. Any chance for another review but this time doing some timed testing? Cheers David
Cheers yeah the tune makes a massive difference. Potentially... the guy lives in auckland but I'm probably gonna rematch once he does a few more modifications to his
Good vid. Gonna share it to my friend who loves my car but is a auto driver. He also wants an accord.👍
Tell him I recommend!
@@KiwiCarLife k24a2 is a higher spec engine than k24a3 and in terms of mods the a2 is doesn't handle them as well as the a3. The a3 here in South africa produces 150kws and there is another varient of the a2 which produces 153kws. Also the a2 engine costs alot more than the a3 internals for some reason. I won't swop my a3 for an a2. It's the perfect one for both reliabily and pleasure. One thing about the video. The rolling race. You can't test your 3rd gear to his 2nd. Can't compare unless you running really big power. Both cars should've been in 2nd car despite the difference in drive train
@@KiwiCarLife the autos performance was very 👍
Great comparison, great video. Your like a young NZ Jeremy Clarkson 😅. Having driven manuals my entire life, and then having to commute in heavy traffic, I'll never again drive a manual.... Maybe it's just a getting older thing and realising the whole manual / auto debate is just a bit pointless.
Haha yeah I guess they serve quite difference purposes
Wow an interesting and fun auto. I'm very surprised.
It's good man
will be getting the same reflash on my RB3 Odyssey soon!!
Would recommend!
Nice comparison. Would love to see the same for the Cu2 💯
True that would be cool...
Auto for me, I'm surprised at the little acceleration difference. If you hadn't changed your transmission gears to the type r he would have definitely caught you if not surpassed.
Nah because then I would have started in second instead of third. Only reason he pulled in the first race is because I started out of vtec. 2nd race I was in vtec and pulled
been watching your clips for a while now. Euro hands down best modern looking sedan. Would be so fun to track I reckon!
Oh yeah man got another track day coming up will get it out again
I tell you AT is amazaing ;) Greetings from Serbia
Greetings
@@KiwiCarLife 2nd gear goes and goes.... :)
I have a stock version of the jdm cl9 type s😁
Nice
No, they are not the same engine. The facelift JDM Accord and the 06-08 TSX's K24A2 have bigger cams (biggest OEM K series), intake ports, intake manifold and exhaust ports etc so that is what compensates for it was auto.
We're talking about an 8kw difference here. For all intents and purposes they are the same
That is interesting that they put electric power steering on the JDM type s accord. I was under the impression that the JDM type s model and the American TSX were identical power train and engine wise but the tsx has an A2 with hydrolic power steering like yours. Kind of odd
Yeah there's a few funny differences between them
This is a very cool comparison,I’ve had 2 Acura TL types which is almost the same platform as the tsx(accord) here in the US first I had an auto and it shifts so nice can’t complain but then I get my dream TL types 6mt fell in love 🙌 It would be cool if u review a TL here in the us dude🤟
very nice man, I’d love a TL but we don’t get them here
I've raced my lightly modified auto against an unknown modified manual. CL9s. Manual pulls.
Yeah and so it should... I gave the auto an advantage by starting one gear higher. If I started in 2nd like the auto I would have walked. But I reckon a close race is a good race
@@KiwiCarLife Gotta see a race from 0!
This is the video I've been waiting for
Yeszss
Okay this video just convinced me to buy a type s accord now 😁
Haha you wont regret it!
We want more videos of that type s.
Hopefully next time Liam is up in Auckland we can meet up for another video as I have not finished with modifying the type s yet, lots more to come in the future as I would like to see how far I can push the auto keeping it N/A but I think the most restricting factor is that once I build the motor I won't be able to rev it any higher due to the auto transmission.
@@08CL9 keen man! Will be super interested to see what more you do with it
@@KiwiCarLife need to find out how to make the auto trans handle more rpms reliably... I'm already looking into a level 10 torque converter but still need to find out more as there's not much info around on them, there must be a way to modify the box to make it handle higher rpms
@@08CL9 do you have any socials? Insta/CZcams where I could see the progress of your Type S? I got the same Spec 06 Type S from JDM fully stock. Wanna learn some from you
Sorry, no socials or channels to follow unfortunately.
The ones that have electric power steering have it like this because they are equipped with honda sensing package ( adaptive cruise control and lane keeping assyst ) so they need the electric motor for steering corrections
Indeed the auto is good because it uses hydraulic clutchpacks with normal helical gears, not planetary ones.
They used that in order to avoid paying for licensing and royalty to Aisin or other gearbox manufacturee
Makes sense
@@KiwiCarLife i started making english language videos too, i own a CL9 executive manual with serge bo's reflash and header, and this car got me into making CZcams videos in romanian language.
Just drove it yesterday:))
The problem in continental Europe, Romania, where i'm from, is that people think the supreme car is a boring passat diesel, and you don't have acces to honda parts for mods
For example the Euro R gearbox with lsd costs 2000 euros just to buy it from Russia, an intake manifold is over 600 euros.
There are russian and ukrainian folks that tune the hell out of the cl9 with 3k euros and get 300whp out of the engine.
Pistons, conrods,camshafts, vtc gear, intake and header, catback, short gearbox, acura TL throttle body, tsx or hondata ECU, ram air intake or CAI, suspension upgrades, rims, big brake kit
To do a mod like this in Romania you spend over 10k euros.
I got to drive a heavily modded one, except for camshafts intake and throttle body and it drives like mine on the freeway, for example 100 200kmh he does it in 4 5 6 gears and i do it in 3 4 5, same acceleration time.
So if i had that money I'd rather travel, buy ski gear, and just maintain a perfect mechanical state for the car as it is my daily driver
Nice one, back in the day of CD6 Accord SIR there was a massive difference in performance between auto and manual, mostly due to the auto being 4 speed and terribly slow at shifting, tcu tuning is a game changer. I just tcu tuned my bmw 116i, it did 0 to 100 in 6.29 with slow ish shifts and changing gear at too low rpm, so maybe I'll get into the 5s, vid on my channel as I know it's hard to believe a 116i doing that lol
Nice yeah the ZF8 tuning makes a big difference to a lot of bimmers aye
How amazing is that?! Exact same mods for the auto! That is so neat! I enjoy my automatic on the daily commutes but hanging out with my mates I wish I had the manual hah. Looking at an 86 for my manual fun :)
Nice yeah pretty cool to get them back to back
Well.. I'm getting an estate JDM Type-S and will be doing a K20a2 head swap with cams. It is an auto, so it's good to see the comparison. Great video as always. Is the gearbox mapped separately or as part of the ecu refresh?
Nice! Gearbox tune is a part of the engine map. And tbh I wouldn't bother with the k20a2 head. Just put cams in the k24a2 head and you'll get the same result
@KiwiCarLife cheers..thinking of this. Planning Drag cartels, RRC Intake, J37 TB, plm header and a Guppe-M Intake. What sort of power am I expecting? 200kw?
Really? What's the point to do a rolling race to compare manual vs automatic and then start In 2 in the A and 3 in the M to compensate the difference? Precisely the difference is there... I just don't believe your Accord is faster than a 250hp one just because a little short gear and then an automatic with same power is just equally fast?
I was more trying to demonstrate the fact that the auto doesn't lose much power through the transmission, and because mine has shorter gears so for other manual owners it wouldn't be as helpful
With the crazy prices of fuel can you do a review of what its like driving a stock CL9 with E10, unleaded 91(if that's even possible) , unleaded premium 95 (recommended fuel) and unleaded premium 98.
Recommended using a car that the owners already using E10 with or willing to try it out.
Uhh yeah maybe? And what compare performance or fuel economy?
That typeS sounds and looks insane
And you can tell in the video that response when you floor it, it just goes
Since yours is not a daily driver you don’t really get bothered by dealing with the gauge pedal every time
Glad To see an auto slightly moded and being able to compete with yours
I wonder how an original Euro R moded as you did would compare
Yeah a Euro R would probably give mine a run too. They have less overhead tho, so where with the same mods a K24 might gain 25kW and 50Nm, a Euro R might only gain 10kW and 20Nm
Have the "same" accord but diesel. What a car. Maybe not fast as yours but still going strong. 411.000km !!! Average consumption 4.3l / 100km. Great car. I have something on my car rarely seen all over - door side trims 😉
Goodness
6th gen ATR /euro R was the beat in my opinion, lighter, stiffer, and that LSD h22a/7 combo. Also SiR wagons are awesome looking and AWD and AWD is what is missing on euro/USA spec accords.
To old for me
@@KiwiCarLife I've said the same when I sold my VI gen, wish I never did. But AWD is misteriously missing from accords everywhere but not Japan. Vi gen JDM had AWD, vii gen had it also. AWD would change the way look at this car.
I love this car, it is the Acura Tl here and its just as awesome
TSX
I was looking at the car like wtf is going on that's a Acura. 🤣🤣🤣
After watching so nany videos, I still not sure which gen to get, CL9 or CU2, but will definitely get a manual.
CL9 if you want a performance car, CU2 if you want a nicer daily
@@KiwiCarLife thanks for the advice. Made a decision today to buy a silver CL9 manual. Hopefully the car will come next week or early after next. Can't wait to drive this CL9. Thank you.
A good comparison, the bug is definitely biting
Hmmmm yes good vehicles you shall purchase
If you compare auto cars of Toyota/honda same era sports sedan/hatch class the honda ratios for the auto seem to stick way closer to the ratios of the manual while toyotas ones are way too long hurting their 0-100 times and outright performance
Oh tbh the auto Hondas have really long gears too
the video we wanted!!! Do all automatic cl9 have electric steering?
No
Just the facelift type s I've been lead to believe. Nz new ones are all hydraulic
Loving this tsx content! Out of curiousity do you happen to know who makes these front (or rear) splitters?
Flow designs
Great video👍 Could you tell what modifications have been made to the automatic transmission please?
Tuned by kflash, changes shift points and improves shift speed
@@KiwiCarLife Thanks👌
@@KiwiCarLife I’m going for that
i was wondering where you got the parts for the honda accord type s . What shop did u get it from
Google the parts listed in the description, any local shops that sell them will come up with
How do you rev match the automatic? Is it literally just down shift and floor the throttle? I wanna try it on mine😆
Yeah pretty much, you just like tap it just after you pull the gear stick down, which in that gap between changing gears will rev it up and make it smoother and faster. And it sounds cool haha
@@KiwiCarLife cheers man, I'll definitely have more fun on the way to work tomorrow than the usual
Does all K-Series automatic gearboxes have the same gearings? Or is there any automatic gearbox with shorter gearings (that would fit in a Accord CL9, K24), that would be more suitable for a track car?
Yes they do have the same gearing but maybe a different final drive
🎉 I’m trying to get a daily first car CL7 and debating if I should get a 145k km vs 100k km mileage car in which the 100k km mileage car cost $30k HKD more . Not sure if I should stick to the high mileage one as it will depreciate less anyways and not worth it for the added money for 45k km more mileage. What do you think? The 100k of course looks better with some mugen parts and 145k has a Js racing exhaust.
Yeah I’d say go for the higher k’s one coz the price difference is so significant
Great to know the autos are good! id prefer manual but my missus cant drive stick. Are are the autos reliable with a few bolt on mods?
Yeah definitely man. Can’t handle forced induction but n/a they’re just fine
@@KiwiCarLife Cheers! Great to know!
Now, I am a bit lost. How come the Euro with 2.4 engine? Supposed to be 2.0, isn't it? There should be 2.0, 2.4 and Euro R 2.0 (in JDM - which is about 200hp) and Euro AU, NZ and Fiji? I have a 2003 2.4 executive auto which is 140kw/189hp but I'm in Europe. To me somehow engine doesn't add up 😂😅
JDM:
K20A6 (119kW) - Base
K24A2 (148kW) - Type S
K20A (162kW) - Euro R
NZ/AU/EU:
K24A3 (140kW) - Euro S/Euro L
With PLM Headers and the yonaka cat-back did you have to do any modification??
With a tune everything worked great and made solid power
in the rolling race why didnt you drop to 2nd?
Because the starting speed was too high, and it was to make it more fair where we were both in 3rd
what ecu can tune the automatic accord cl7/cl9?? i’m really curious
Stock
Yeah it's just a tuned stock ecu. Tuned by kflash nz
There is no way those 2 will be near in performance, is either you didn't test it correctly or the auto has more power, if similar power the manual one should have destroyed the auto. The auto has more power loss in the transmission and very long gears. You most probably tested them for very narrow power band (only 2-3 gears and stopped), it can be seen on your video when auto was in 2nd and you in 3rd that you recover the gap but you stopped the test. I bet you could have catch up and passed him.
Yes this. The auto is k24a2 and his is k24a3 which is less power. Idk though I own an auto. I'm guessing its alot of factors like the throttle response in the manual. It's cool to see I might have to get the kflash now. 4k vtec sounds nice especially with the long gears. I already have hondata reflash but I'll dyno these two different reflash tunes for sure.
There was a combination of factors, he has the a2, I have the a3, he started in vtec because his tune puts it at 4k whereas I started out of vtec because mine is set at 4.8k, and his 2nd is slightly shorter than my 3rd. But all in all, if we both started in 2nd I would have walked, but what's the point? Ofc you would expect that to happen. This really highlighted that the auto doesn't really lose much power through the transmission at all
Great video Please future Turbocharge CL7 euro R 🙂
Got a supercharged accord review coming?
Any issues with the Auto transmission cooling? How do they go about tuning the AT shifts.
Nah no problems, and hit up @kflash_nz on insta he'll be able to tell you
What does a clean cl9 auto go for? What is apropiate price...There a dealership here in. New plymouth that has one for $13k fresh import 4.5 car is immaculate
Sounds a little high, but tbh I haven’t looked at the prices of these for a while
@@KiwiCarLife seems prices are increasing as they gain popularity
Im looking at getting a cl9 and im kinda stuck between getting an auto or a manual, this video helped alot, although ive got a question, Did you time the 0-100 for the auto and what time did it get if so, if not what do you estimate it would be?
Manual is generally about 1-1.5s faster to 100
@@KiwiCarLife at the time did you roughly know your accords 0-100?
I have a acura tsx US version but the accord euro seems like a way cooler car
They are the same car
How would you say the electric power steering of the JDM Type S and Euro R compare to that in the CU2? And would you still rate the CU2 over the CL9 if looking for an auto?
Frankly I actually think the cu2 steering is quite good. And yeah if you want a “nicer” car then go for an nz new cu2. A tidy import auto cl9 tho is still a great drivers car. I dunno… drive them all and decide for yourself
Very useful if your accord is a daily
Indeed
What viscosity motor oil do you use??
Honda FEO 10W30
From a standing start the auto goes well but once’s the manual got to third gear it was a head in my circumstance
The Manual was in 3rd from the start of both rolling races...
Yeah once I hit third I started to reel him in but I didn't wanna go too fast
Excellent
Yuuurs
I want your help. How is the CL7 compared to CL9? CL7 comes with an “economy” K20 with the economy i-VTEC obviously. I’m not looking forward to high horsepower builds, want to stay NA with decent torque/horsepower for daily driving fun. Moreover, it’s auto. 😛
So is it worth it?
Car’s in immaculate condition though with low mileage.
I wouldn't recommend the K20 one if you're looking to do any mods. They don't have as much potential as the K24 and the fuel economy differences are negligible
@@KiwiCarLife I agree.. Very tough situation ngl. 😅
CL7 is overpiced
I got really confused, why would the jdm cars have EPS being put in, especially with the type s (sport trim) version. How can one check if a particular car has a hydraulic or electric steering, because I'm wondering about the european market ones with the auto transmission, thanks.
You'll see the power steering pump in the bottom left corner of the engine bay. I've been told it's because some of them came with adaptive cruise and lane keep assist so would need a means to control the steering electronically
@@KiwiCarLife Yep, found some similar information, that if the car has LKAS , it definetely will have EPS, but funny thing is I've took a look at a 2006 sedane as well as touring versions original brochures. The sedane one says that it uses PAS acrros the range, except for the 2.0 base version, the touring one says it uses PAS except for the top trim with the LKAS. So I guess the only way to find out is to see what's going on under the hood. Btw, what does the EPS system uses, some kind of motor?
@@aeobs Yeah electric motor
Hey! Im looking for one of these Type S, please, can you tell me, if the steering wheel buttons, are iluminated? I read something, and the answers are different, someone say yes, someone no, but im not hundred perfent sure, your Accord is sick! In Europe, especially in my country, Czech Repuplic, there is small chance, to catch this beauty car, thank you, for your response, have a nice day!
Yeah they are
Is it possible to show it? Thx
how would it differ to the tsx if at all?
Essentially the same
1:31 TO GET TO THE CHOPPA 😂
Yes
what are the tuned horsepower figures for the auto and manual cl9?
Roughly 200whp
@@KiwiCarLife thanks dude. should do a 0-100 test comparison of the auto and manual cl9.
@@Kryonixxx 6.8 seconds is the best I can do 0-100 in the auto, it's a bit slow of the mark compared to the manual as you can't really launch the auto but once it gets going it pulls hard.
@@08CL9 thanks for the info bro :)
1:27 missing an exhaust bolt
Yeah when I took the video ages ago we were still putting it back together
Has anyone ever retrofitted pedal shifts to the Auto?
Yeah it’s certainly possible. Use an FD2 or FN2 steering wheel
Its crazy that car is called honda acura here in the USA honda accord is totally different looks than these
Yep same car different names
Fuel consumption? I lent my auto to a lady whose manual was in for a service and she said mine used more fuel than hers.
I average about 9L/100km
@@KiwiCarLife A fuel consumption comparison, auto vs manual was what I was looking for ?
@@alancsalt in manual you can regulate the fuel consumption because you control your gear whereas in auto unless you’re changing gear will start to use more fuel because it’s considered “sport mode” in cl9 autos hope this helps! I had boths but it all depends on how you drive
I just got one auto type s. It's has much torque for 4 cylinder but this is a very slow car. I realize I got less than 300,km for 50 liters. 13mpg. Something is wrong? Average combined range is 560 km but I got less than 300 😂
I think you’re just thrashing it to get fuel economy that bad. I could get 750km to a tank in mine
@@KiwiCarLife I didnt mean no bashing I love this car, handles better than my r33 gtst lololol. anyway, im going to replace cat and both o2 and see whats up! also the motor has 300k on it!
Ah yes! Been waiting for this one! How did you find the coilovers in the Auto? Currently looking into getting some Tein’s for mine but curious about those coilovers, looks like the drop is much lower than yours too?
Yeah drop maybe slightly lower than mine and they rode well!
The hardrace coilovers in the auto can go alot lower they still have 2 more inches of adjustment left, I don't want it any lower as it's my daily and makes it to hard to use if I go any lower as I don't want to scrape and wreck the underneath of the car.
Does the owner of the auto have a channel?
He does not unfortunately
For red Honda badges , where did you get them?
Trade me
@@KiwiCarLife trade you?
@@dex4011 Oh "Trade Me" is the NZ version of Ebay
@@KiwiCarLife thank you . can the fd2 red badge fit on the cl9?
For genuine red honda badges like I have you need to get them from Japan or a local dealer but they come at a cost as they are genuine and last and don't crack or fade, mine are from Amayama in Japan.
Anyone know of anyone who does mods on the K24 in the UK?
Kflash is in the UK atm, hit him up on Insta @kflash_nz he'll sort you with a reflash
cheers
All good
Modified 2006-2011 2.4 Camry vs modified 2.4 accord?
Does such a camry even exist? Haha
@@KiwiCarLife yes, it’s what Toyota built to compete with the Accord in Australia. They called it the xv40 and it came with a 2.4L 2AZ-FE or a 3.5L 2GR-FE. I think the 2.4L MT would be a great matchup for the accord.
@@parmsandhu5053 we don't get manual camrys here. And even if we did, the k24 would destroy a 2AZ
Ah alright, the 2AZ’s seem to perform pretty well and tend to keep up with the k24 with stock 0-100 times. However I don’t think the k24 would stand a chance against a 2GR FE, maybe that would be a good bout.
@@parmsandhu5053 I've already compared my Accord with a 2GR-FE blade and I kept up
Go Auto! 😎
Speed and power
Youll spend less money in repairs and service owning a manual due to the less moving parts.
Plus honda make great manual boxes.
That’s not really true tbh. I get where you’re going because “in theory” less moving parts means more reliable but in practice both are equally reliable. Arguably an auto would be cheaper to maintain coz you don’t have to do a clutch every 100,000km ish
The pre-facelift type-s had the K24A3 with hydraulic steering. Glad I didn't go for the facelift...
Also with regards to the automatic
SERVICE THE FLUID RELIGIOUSLY. They are notoriously weak. Pamper them.
The euros aren't too bad tbh, I haven't seen one come in with transmission issues ever. The V6 from the same era has a lot more issues though
@@KiwiCarLife hm, you could be right. But fluid changes are cheap compared to rebuilds. Never hurts to change it often.
@@The_Noticer. oh yeah ofc but I wouldn't describe them as notoriously weak... People turbo auto boxes and they're fine on low boost
@@KiwiCarLife Hm, yeah it is probably because there are so many V6 models in the states, that the model year got the rep.
@@The_Noticer. fom what I hear this auto trans are one of more reliable autos of any car from that era. On pair with w211 5 speed a/t
Talk that honda auto tnas are trash is coming from USA v6 models, not applicable to cl cars
It needs paddle shifters.
Ehh I don't mind without it
How the heck did they tune the transmission? Meanwhile I'm sitting here in my cu2 wishing the tcm could be tuned lol
Not sure it's a trade secret of KFlash I guess
If it's an A2 it should have better cams than your engine as well.
Nah that's us tsx only
You should drift your accord lol
Lol
I have to sell my CL9 Auto :(
Oh no!
a complete disgrace to honda community for a automatic honda accord euro-R series.
It's a type s? Not a euro r
It’s obvious my friend that you aren’t a pretty good driver cuase a manual car with a real good driver will beat at automatic car. Period. And I can prove it to you anytime
Thanks for your feedback bro
Hi!! I hope all is well! At your own time could please if you know tell me where I could find the tsx automatic gear leather? I have the silver plastic but I want the one he has and I can’t find it at all🥲 please and thank you!
It’ll be a market specific thing. You’ll have to try source one out of japan
@@KiwiCarLife thank you!