SONY ZV-E1, a7iv & a7Siii SLOG 3 Beginners GUIDE - Settings, Exposure & Color Grading
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- čas přidán 16. 07. 2024
- I took a lot of time to learn shooting and color grading SLOG3, so you don't have to. This tutorial is all you need!
0:00 My Problem Color Grading SLOG3
0:39 How to Expose SLOG3
2:49 How to Color Grade SLOG3
3:59 Conclusion
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Great video and even better to see that you have actually replied to everyone who's asked a question. That is something 90% of CZcamsrs should take FROM you. Good man. Lee
This helped me so much!! Didn't know that the exposure compensation has to happen before the conversion.. Huge thanks!!
you are the first person who made me to understand how to exposure
I have been getting nice results setting my zebras to 55 +-1 and exposing to a 18 percent grey on my x-rite color checker. Use the color checker to color grade. I still am learning how to do a run and gun setup. For that I just use the cameras meter and go 1.7 over exposed and then apply a Sony lut. Make some adjustments after I apply the lut but I’m gonna try before like you did and see how it looks.
Exactly my findings as well. The color checker must be a nice to have.
I just test switched to sony and this is helpful. Let me do the test with my footage today!
This video summarizes Gerald's in less than 4 minutes and in an easier way, awesome!
Dude! order of operations is so important. Thank you for highlighting this for me.
Thank you for this video. As someone seeking to understand exposing Slog3, this video is very much informative.
Great video! 👏🏻
I'm a run and gun shooter and shoot any time of day. For a more cinematic look is it better to expose Slo3 for skin for setting zebra @50% or for maintaining dynamic range (preventing from clipping highlights) @ 94%??
Saving this video for reference. Thanks a lot! Subbing!
what a perfect video, thank you
Thank you
Thank you so much for this! I was wondering what is your Picture Profile setting? Because I have mine set at slog3, s-gamut3.cine, and saturation at +12, detail -3, and in Color Depth I turned down the Red down to -5. I'm also editing in FCPX and I have the Phantom luts as well as Geral Undone's luts, as well as the correct Aces conversion from Davinci 14. I'm finding it that when I color correct in FCPX, if I add saturation, I am adding waaaay too much red, especially for Skin Tone. So to avoid this I turn down the Red in Color Depth a bit. But I'm curious what your Picture Profile details are. I'm looking to do quick shoot and post type of editing, with minimum color grading in my work flow. Thanks again for this video, it helped me tremendously.
Just PP8, no adjustments.
@@pascalbasel Okay, good to know. Thank you!
Pascal thanks for this information
Great video bro
Love you.
Hi please make a video on which cameras you use for vlogging and which are best in the market
I use mainly a7S iii and X-T4. Right now I'd suggest waiting for the new Sony APSC announcement as I think this could be a really nice blogging camera for a cheap price. For cheap I'd right now go for a Canon M6ii or Fuji X-S10.
How do you like SLOG3? Do you have issues with it or does it give you good results?
u forget set iso to auto
No, I expose fully manual.
@@pascalbasel or better HLG 2/3 ISO AUTO
@@RukiNao No, SLOG3 gives the best performance overall and the best conversion LUTs for a fast workflow are for SLOG3 and SLOG2.
@@pascalbasel you can look CZcams auxout channel or Henbu channel say better HLG than slog
Phantom luts are awesome! The best exposure for me is +1
Yeah, I think it's hard to go wrong at +1 👍🏻
hey nice video, do u also expose the same if you are using the assist slog-3 view?
I prefer the color from Fuji Xt4 over the a7s3 I will probably buy one at 44900 the here in bkk thanks for your videos as always
Fujis colors are hard to beat. You can get them in SLOG 2 with the colorizer LUT pack. I made a video about that a few months ago. But it’s hard to beat the X-T4 in its price range overall.
Do you have indepth tutorial expalining all of this in simple language for beginners?
Sir please do a video on Hlg as well as it is very hard to color grade slog
No, I'm not interested in HLG and if you follow the video, you see that SLOG3 is actually very easy to color grade ;-)
Do I have to increase the zebra settings from 50 to 60 when trying to expose for skin tones in a bright sun conditions 🤔
Bro could u pleas do a special video about colour grading iPhone 12 Pro Max footage or better setting for colour grading in iPhone footage .. can we shoot log or flat profile video in iPhone ..pleas do a video for us
You can shoot log via Filmic Pro app. They provide a LUT on their website for color grading. If you shoot with the normal camera app, you can just color grade as you'd do with any other camera. Just shoot in 10bit and highest bitrate as much as possible for maximum flexibility.
Hey Pascal, how about adding other additional lut's after using the Phantom lut's? Would you recommend doing that? Or would the Leeming lut be more suitable for adding other luts on top?
Of course, you can add finishing luts however you like it.
Great job thank you this help me a lot if i understand skintone should be around 50-60 to get better result + apply lut ?
Yes, exactly. 60 for harsh sunlight and 50-55 for normal light.
@@pascalbasel perfect thank you I’ve been struggling too for Slog3 grading even with phantom lut , last question if i expose for skintone what about my highlights ? Shouldn’t be worry about that ?
No, 50-60 is pretty dark for the skin tones, so your highlights are well protected. And if a face is most important in your shot, over exposing the highlights is okay anyway as the face is the important part of the image. Bit SLOG3 has so much dynamic range that it's actually hard to clip the highlights.
@@pascalbasel does this depend on skin tones , like what about the difference between white and black people , wouldn’t you expose differently or does this method still apply
Nice information... thanks a lot for it.... 🇳🇵🇳🇵🇳🇵🇳🇵Nepal
Thank you Laxmi
Würde mir ein generelles Color Grading Video wünschen, das man auf alle möglichen Programme beziehen kann🙂
Schon etwas älter aber hat sich nicht viel geändert: czcams.com/video/Vz50MvLHUsc/video.html
Great colors in your video! Im hearing some other filmmakers say to set the a custom zebra on the a7siii to 94+, but you’re recommending 50% or so for skin tones? Are there situations to set the zebras at 94+? I imagine at that high point you would know your slog3 footage is now clipping.
94+ means highlights clipping. That’s another way to expose, what I don’t recommend in Slog3 on the a7Siii, a7iv etc. At 50% they show you perfect exposure for bright skin but don’t have anything to so with clipping.
@@pascalbasel Thanks! Do you leave it at 50% for landscapes and other footage as well?
Thanks! So for the first method, if I increase the exposure, how does one know when one is 2 stops over exposed? Are you using zebras again here set to some number higher than 100 or something?
Just look at the ev value on your display.
Love from India
Hey Great video. I"m wondering when you are filming slog3 on sony do you see it in log on the lcd display or do they put a temporary rec 709 on the display for viewing. Thanks!
It's called view assist
helpful
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when i want so overexpose the image, should i crank up the ISO just to get to +1,7 or +2. in bad light conditions i bareley get to +1,7 although i use 1/50s and the smallest arpeture.
I'm filming campfires and fires, so overexpose the fire by 2?
Pascal, will this work the same for my sony a7iii?
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What about your other PP settings, like Detail, black level, saturation, etc. I find that even with the phantom natural LUT, .cine, etc. it still looks very flat and soft.
You shouldn't change these settings if you use conversion LUTs that don't require any changes. Just use Slog3 S.Gamut3.Cine and don't change anything else in PP8. If it's too flat after applying the LUT, add contrast etc after applying the LUT. Phantom LUTs are still just the first step and not necessarily the final edit.
@@pascalbasel Will take a stab. Thanks for the advice!
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For the gamma display assist which one do you choose auto gamma display or slog 3 assist ?
Auto, then it automatically adjusts, if you change to other picture profiles.
Super video!.. aber vielleicht check is einfach nicht: hat man die Luts immer über oder unter den anderen colour/exposure tweaks?
Thanks, you change the exposure under the lut. So that it looks good. Creative adjustments are then done after applying the lut.
@@pascalbasel danke for the answer!
Can u do a video on mobile photography tips
Thanks for the suggestion. Might consider it in the future.
Hi, refering to @1:39 minute, may i know how did you configure the a7iii to do eye focus automatically without pressing on the AF-on or eye AF button pls?
Did you figure it out?
hallo!i want to ask you, because i confused a liitle bit,when i import the footage at fcpx, do i change first the camera lut to slog3 cinegamut and the i import the phantom luts and then i do the color correction? or i have to avoid to convert the camera lut and just add the phantom luts ?
Only Phantom LUTs
When shooting slog3 on the a7siii, how often do you let the sky get blown out? i try to stay 1.7-2.0 stops above 0 but usually the sky is clipped. if i try to save details in the sky, it usually drops below 1.7 which i'm told is what i should be shooting at for slog3
Don't give too much attention to the numbers. If the sky is important, expose for a good looking sky, even if you go -1 or so. And if a face is more important, it's always okay to blow out the sky. That's the same on every camera. But I actually found it quite hard to clip the highlights if I keep the bright skin to 50% zebra. You can actually expose quite dark on this camera and lift the shadows in post if needed.
@@pascalbasel but what about the grain in the shadow? Because of thst the recommendation is overexpose.
Am i wrong?
@@Marco-zp7nb As mentioned, the darker the scene, the more you have to overexpose. But the a7S iii has pretty clean shadows anyway, so the bit of noise disappears during the color grade.
I'm using sony a7m3 and seeing some of the reply comments you wrote, do you recommend HLG more than slog for a7m3 users?
I never used the a7iii. So I can't really say much about it. But it seems like most people go with HLG there. Log is generally better for 10bit, what the a7iii doesn't have. So HLG can make sense there.
Link for sony lut from 3:56?
Where can I find the Sony rec709 luts?
Okay so after you change the settings (slog in the camera ) you have to color grade it ?
Yes, here’s how: m.czcams.com/video/qUcPUIRCuHg/video.html
Nice video bro
Thanks bro
@@pascalbasel can’t agree more man, so annoying when you don’t understand the color space however once you get it, it’s pretty damn amazing
Yeah, it takes some learning but then it's easy.
@@pascalbasel I have to say I watch a lot of CZcams and am well into the “scene” and I can tell you right now you stand out in a good way man. Keep doing what your doing
Thanks a lot 😊
Hey Pascal - have you ever exposed at ISO 640 or ISO 12,800 and still have had noise in slog3? I correct/grade in Resolve, however, I still see noise in the midtones/shadows. Any thoughts? For reference, I use an a7siii and a tamron 17-28mm f/2.8 lens.
That happens when you underexpose.
i'm new to video. how do you maintain such a narrow exposure?
mine jumps all over the place when i'm outside. i spend more time trying to keep it between 1.7-2.0 than focusing on composition! is this right?
You only get single shots instead of keeping the camera rolling all the time. Then you expose correctly before every single shot for the important part of the shot. I position myself first, then I expose and focus and then I set the final composition by holding my camera right.
@@pascalbasel thank you for the prompt response and advice. in hindsight, you're probably right. i'm rolling for too long, especially when i'm using a gimbal.
-colton
Witch cam better for vlog and wild graphics
Any camera, but wide angle lens for vlogging and telezoom for wildlife..
You're showing 1/8000sec for video on the demo shooting outside on your LCD? 180deg shutter at 30fps should be 1/60th no? ND's to suit if needed.
It should be 48 or 50 as I shoot in 24p. 180deg for a quick test shot is not important and therefore one can save time by not messing around with NDs and white balance card…
Thank you for this video 👍
1. What should I do use Variable ND filter or Solid ND filter + change base iso to adjust exposure? Which will give best result in terms of sharpness, colour and dynamic range?
Base iso for sony a7iv slog3 is 800 and 3200. Iso 800 already added 3 stop and most mid range VND quality drops after 4 stop.
2. Stacking two solid nd has any disadvantages over one solid nd?
Thanks again
3:21 below the lut, but you dragged it over?
With below I mean that the grade gets applied before the LUT
What metering mode do you use when exposing +1,7 EV?
Man, nobody ever says what metering mode they're using! This is so important! I'm assuming for a general scene, multi-metering, but would you still expose to +1.7 if you're using center-weighted for vlogging, or would that make skin too bright? May just have to run some tests!
@@huntstyle I know right? Its literally so important to know, I'm glad somebody gets me! Thank you for answering as well
I was literally just wondering the same thing. I'm guessing its multi-metering. It's definitely not spot metering based on his reply to another comment. My A7IV has multi-metering with face priority which would change things from regular multi-metering.
The part at 3:20 is not in accordance with the voiceover, or is it? You add the color correction, and then move it above the LUT, but you say do it under the LUT, but you are doing it over the LUT? then you move the color correction back down and say after the LUT but moved it under it, but isn't the newest thing always on top? Then you seem to wanna move it back up again but the scene gets cut. So where should the color correction be (on the screen), above the conversion LUT or below it?
No, gradin under the LUT means that the grade gets applied before the LUT gets applied. in Final Cut that means it’s on top.
@@pascalbasel Thanks alot for the quick answer Pascal, and for the great content
wonder that，do you add sharpness to the S-log3 footage in post?
cause the default setting in S-log3 is -7 in sharpness
Usually not. Only if I crop in a lot.
@@pascalbaselOk,thanks🙂👍🏻🙏🏻
When you mean expose slog 3 and you’re talking about 1.7-2 stops what do you mean by that and how do I get it in that range ? I’m new to using the sonya7siii
Just look at the EV meter on your display at the bottom
@@pascalbasel What do you have your meter mode set for? Multi-meter with face priority or just multi alone? Or something else?
@@firpofutbol I don't rely on metering.
Is slog good at low light conditions
Yes, you see more noise straight out of camera, but it disappears after color grading. That's why it's important to expose higher if you film in low light. So the shadows are higher above the noise floor.
Hi man! Great video. I've been fortunate enough to get good results with exposing slog3 but recentely faced an issue which I couldn't really sort out before watching this video. You said at the end that Bright skin to 50-60 zebra - and by that do you mean that you expose until you see zebras in the skin and then get a slightly down from there so that there is no zebras in the skin?
Appreciate your content, thank you anyways :)
So that it just starts to show zebras, no need to dial down.
did you use spot metering?
No
Hey what do you mean by « making the correction under the luts and not after » ? I don’t understand the difference. Thx
So that the corrections are made before the LUT gets applied
@@pascalbasel ok thank you
Ich habe bei meiner Sony ZVE1 folgendes Problem:
Wenn ich die Kamera im Aufnahme Modus "Man. Belichtung" habe, kann ich nicht gleichzeitig den ISO + Belichtungswert einstellen. Somit kann ich nicht die richtige Exposure för meine SLOG3 Footage auswählen, da entweder die Belichtung automatisch eingestellt wird oder der ISO, ich möchte jedoch beides manuell Einstellen können, ohne diesen Aufnahme Modus zu wechseln, da die anderen Modi etweder den SHutter autoamtisch regeln oder die Blende.
0:26 oh, if you're used to Fuji colors correcting Sony footage is hell yes indeed 🤣
I've used the a7S in the past, but the color science of this camera wasn't particularly good.
But when I watched this video, I realized that the a7sⅢ was really beautiful in color and became a great camera.
Yeah, the color science has changed but also the Phantom LUTs have different versions, also for the old color science. However, I'm not sure if that video also counts for older Sony cameras as SLOG3 has more noise in the shadows. So you likely have to expose higher.
What ISO do you stay at? Do you only stay at 640 and 12800?
Or do you bounce around to random ISOs? becuase I am getting alot of noise in my shadows.
Usually base isos but if I have to, I ramp it up. Noise in the shadows straight out of camera is normal in log profiles. That disappears when you color grade it. Even iso 2000 gives me very good results on the a7siii
With Sony A7S3: Hello never made a good picture with s-log 3 in situations low light extremely too much noise. Yes I overexposed 1,7 stop.
Same with s-log2 overexposed 1,7 stops much noise but less noise. Nog good. Als with my Sony FS7 (changed now for the A7S3) too ,much noise with s-log3.
But with cinetone it's very good as good as NO NOISE!!! How is it possible???
S-Cinetone has less dynamic range, while SLOG3 gives you the full dynamic range of sensor, including the noise floor. So when talking about noise you're actually talking about dynamic range as with less dynamic range the noise floor gets cut off, but therefore you also don't use the sensor to its full potential.
I shot at ISO 16000 with the a7Siii only at camp fire light in SLOG3 and after color grading, there is no noise visible unless you crop in 300% or so. That's the reason why you should always expose by +1,7 - +2, so you can lower the exposure again during the color grade, what hides the noise in the shadows. Having noise straight out of camera in log profiles is normal. What counts is how it looks after the color grade.
Also stick to the native ISOs (640 & 12800 on the a7Siii) as close as possible to avoid noise. 12800 gives less noise as 10000 because it's native.
Bro what to do
Who can’t afford those camera 💔
Make money with the camera or whatever you have and save money to buy better ones. Btw. this camera is overkill for most people. A GH5 or Fuji X-T4 can do 90% of it, what's enough for most jobs snd especially for CZcams.
50% doesn’t work good with darker skin tone. For Asian and brownish color skin, I use 65-75%.
For my skin 55% +-2 setting works perfectly. With the LUTs I use that puts my skin at about 70ire. So perfect exposure there.
maybe I'm stupid :P
xD