We Glue Sand to Summer Tires (for grip on ice) - will it work?
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I’m so glad these guys are still doing their thing after all these years
Years ago there were companies that recapped old tire and several of the made a recapped winter tread that was infused with sawdust which was supposed to grip better in the snow. The gas station I worked at in the U.S. State of WV always got a large amount of these winter (sawdust) tires. People ordered them for their cars to use during the winter months.
Sawdust? I remember the green diamonds that supposedly had carbon in them
I remember reading about re-tread tires like tread Wright offering walnut shell infused tread tires. As the tire wears it exposes the tiny bits of walnut and opens the pores of the rubber essentially netting you better grip
Baby bones work even better.
@@johnmadsen37 um, what?
What these guys do for a job is what I want to see myself doing one day. The good times that are had in this garage must have no equal
Me too. Except they will find me three weeks later under a failed Amazon farm jack.
Why don't you use P60 sandpaper instead?
I like this idea! They should try it
You wouldn’t have any tire tread
Because you will not gonna get grip between thread pattern
They're in Russia
P20 very rugged
Didn't think it would work... figured at the very least you'd need to encapsulate the sand somewhat by alternating glue/sand a few times to get a good layer.
At that point I think the sand would just break off and cause less grip.
@@jwalster9412 Don't assume, let him test
My understanding of studless winter tires is that the three major design features are soft rubber for dry traction, narrow grooves to trap snow for snow traction (snow sticks to snow) and silica (sand) embedded in the rubber for ice traction. So these wouldn't help with dry pavement or snow much, but it makes sense they would actually be great on ice like this test. At least until you drive them on dry pavement and rip all the sand off.
I bought a can of ice traction in a can once expecting it to be total crap. I tried it out and was surprised how well it worked. It had some kind of grit and glue.
Testing it on the icy side streets it surprised the hell out of me how well it worked.
It wasn't magic but a noticeable and useful extra amount of traction.
I immediately bought another can to leave in the truck for emergencies and never used it again. But it was a four wheel drive truck so between spraying the tires down in the cold and shifting to 4 wheel drive I was always going to take the easy way out.
I could see it being really useful for the occasional situations where 2 wheel drive vehicles struggle and need a gentle push.
years ago, when cross-country ski used ski-wax, ski-wax was suggested for emergency treating of summer tires for snow
Here you used to be ably to buy "chains in a box", it was a spray can with sticky glue like substance you sprayed on your tires to get more grip in snow.
I used wd40 on my rc cars wheels to increase grip.
Braking uses all 4 wheels, so youd need the sand on all 4 tyres for a good test
You guys should try to make the sand work like the rail road uses it. Hopper above the wheel which drops sand between road and wheel
Rails don't have salt nor other traffic, potentially adding moisture to that sand causing it to clog/freeze.
@@Kinann I would assume that the widespread use of grit and sand as friction agents in icey conditions has generated a body of knowledge such that the issues you raise are likely solved problems. The only real issue with the solution as stated is the requirement to carry a large amount of sand.
@@Kinann I admire your enthusiasm, but keeping the sand free flowing could be achieved in many ways, portable kibbler, rotary auger, redirected hot exhaust gasses to list but a few. In the uk we have a vehicle known as a ‘grittier’. This is a truck chassis, with a retractable snow plough blade at the front, and behind the cab sits a large hopper with an auger at the bottom. When filled with grit etc, the auger drags the grit along its length to the rear of the vehicle where a hit and miss vane and cone scatter the grit behind the vehicle. These vehicles are used is icy conditions.
So I am confident that a vehicle with a hopper etc… scattering grit ahead of the wheels would position the friction element between the tyres and the ice.
Depositing directly onto the leading edge of the wheels is simply altered geometry, not altered physics.
It's nothing new and busses and semis have them sometimes...it's not a new concept and you can buy kits to add it..
Get a smaller diameter tire and keep gluing and adding layers of sand so it is at least 5cm thick.
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There is definitely more you could do with this!
I'd have like to see you end with winter tires + sand
Quick touch with a belt sander
And coarser, larger grain sand, repeatedly layered with glue and sand thickly.
I'm thinking something more coarse like something along the lines of fine gravel, maybe bonded by some sort of epoxy or maybe rubber cement. If Sand works that well, it may even outperform the winter tires if it can stay properly adhered to the tires and not fall off.
@@kentworch Do you mean like tailings?
Wonder if when they make a tire if they can put sand on the last layer of rubber before they cook the tire solid that way it will be in the rubber
Yeah I was thinking they should have rolled it a couple times back and forth glue/sand/glue/sand/glue to encapsulate it for a similar effect.
Baking it in would guarantee there is always some at the surface tho as the tire wears.
They already sell tires ike that has walnut shells and crushed glass inside the compound.
@@user-gu6ps6ed6lI didn’t know that I will check that out
@@MadScientist267 I suspect that winter tires already contain a ton of silica, since rain/all-weather tires are known to include silica in the tread compound.
I lived in the far north, this is an old school hack that goes way back!
Ever hear of sandpaper retreads ,, there is also green diamond tires that have silicium carbide granules embedded evenly throughout the tire's tread.
Try fine gravel deeply embedded in thick epoxy for maximum retention. Like the way grit is deeply embedded on good industrial sandpapers.
Just a suggestion : wouldnt it be better if u apply some heat/flame to the tire so the rubber get a bit warm and sticky, and then push em in the sand?
Maybe it would stay longer than with glue?
Perhaps a superior bond, but then you'd introduce another problem of overcuring and pyrolyzing the rubber, turning it from something flexible and grippy into something brittle and slippery. Ideally you'd include sand during the initial cure of the tread. This would allow any rubber in contact with the road to have maximum grip. The grippyness of their cured glue is another unknown.
They are more than 30 years behind. In Norway we peoduced retreaded winter tyres with sand mixed into the entire tread. We controlled the mix by measuring the rubber mass into the extruder, weighed the the sand automatically and mixed it into the rubber in the very last step of the extruder.
I visited a number of tyre manufacturers, but none of them were interested. I thought we had succeeded with Pirelli, but they mixed the test results at the end.
My conclusion is that the big tyre industries do not want to produce such tyres because our technology makes it possible to produce all season tyres and winter tyres that would last much longer than spike tyres. They were simply afraid of loosing production and money!
Another observtion from my visits to major tyre industries, is that tyres are developed by chemists only. I met only once a machine engineer who had heared of Tribology which you need to know for improving grip.
At each and every tyre industry I visited, I asked what they first of all thought of when designing a ned winter tyre. All of them answered mode, not winter grip!
Definitely an interesting experiment. Thanks for another awesome video. You guys are always cooking up something cool. 👍👍
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Looks like it would work well for larger sanding jobs drive up on the board and then hit the gas pedal with a little bit of brake 😅
Great channel!
This is a very creative idea!
Sure it will work until the sand comes loose. They used to make a winter retread tire that had sand added to the rubber !
You guys never cease to amaze one, another great video very interesting .
They need to put sand or abrasive in the rubber when they make the tire. Great video! Dobre utro!
Well, there was a retread company in Canada, that used carbon or something in their tires, but It was in the rubber, and they were GREAT in the winter. They were called " Green Diamond " tires
Interesting test, thank you.
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We used to do this trick with riding our bicycles into the sand so sand would stick to the tire and then go out on a frozen lake with the bikes, you had very good grip for about 30 seconds until the sand was used up... Always wondered why they do not make winter tires with sand mixed in the rubber... But I guess that would give to much wear on tarmac when there is no ice.
My dad used to buy retreaded snow tires that had walnut shell mixed in. I think the shell pieces were designed to come out leaving hundreds of biting edges on the tread. They wore faster but seemed to work pretty good. Don't know if those tires are still made.
Walnut shells are one of the hardest natural substances in the world. That's why Toyo Tires developed Microbit Technology, which incorporates thousands of crushed walnut shells into the tread compound of the Observe Garit KX, Observe GSi5, Observe G3 ice and Observe GSi6 HP winter tires.
@@learjet1246 Thanks for the reply and the information.
I was considering coating with polyurea a few months ago, perhaps you could give it a try.
Just a thought, but how about gluing feathers on the tread surface? Just normal bird feathers or poultry feathers - plenty of glue, and plenty of randomly piled feathers.
Bolt. On rubber coated plastic cleats? Even retreads can come loose and cause trouble for cars behind you. If they someting sprayon that was chunky with sharp grit it would grab at least but would it clog in freezing ice.
Make a brush that brushes the snow off of the tire as it goes around.
Don't get snow here. I am glad.
Pretty good experiment! 👌😎👍
Hey guys, gr8 video, but just a thought, why not vulcanise the tread of these tyres with sand present, when heated, the sand would be fused into the rubber better than just using glue, and instead of using just one sand grain size, use a mixture of grain sizes, not too big though as could affect traction performance as pebbles stuck in tyre tread causing skating between tyre and road surface under braking
Hey just a suggestion try epoxying fist sized rocks to a bare rim and test the traction with that 😂
can you try melting or vulcanising the sand into the rubber
good idea, and use a super rough sand or blast media.
exactly what i thought
here in Washington state USA they used to embed the tires with garnet . . . no jokes
I have cut hardend steel with Garnet it is strong.
I enjoy all the experiments with pistons and was thinking how a plate of some type kinda like a flywheel being bolted to the rim exterior at the lugs could be used if stuck.
Toyo mixes ground walnut shells into its compound. It sticks on Ice!
If it has not been mentioned yet, wouldn't even the smallest bit of snow that is driven over, make a big effect on the end result? You guys are awesome, I love the channel and your efforts to make new content multiple times a week.!! 🚙🚙🚕🚀
You could have sanders in front of the tires that would deploy if you brake harder than normal or if tires starts to slip.
There is an product which does the same thing. Tyre socks.
And quick fit chains
How about having a device that pours sand on the tires as you are driving or in front of the tires, something like the track sanders used on locomotives.
Here in Norway many heavy vehicles have that built into their trucks.
Could you guys test what is the difference in braking distance between different sidewall height in tires? What i mean by that is keeping the same width of tire and increasing rim size. Example being 225/40/18 and 225/35/19 and 225/45/17, you get the idea i hope. Just to compare sidewall height keeping everything else more or less the same.
The problem is the glue stiffness. Try using something like Flex Seal paste and mix with aquarium gravel. The Flex Seal will be like another layer of rubber. Not hard.
What if there were heated tyres, like heated seats?
I think warm tyres will provide more grip like polar bear.
Try this same with sandpaper!
There is a tire recapping center not to far from me that use ground up walnut shells in their rubber to help with ice/ snow
Can you try rebuilding an engine and tightening the bolts by hand (exept the head screws), would be interesting.
You roasted my brain
I'm going to make some winter tyres for my bike 😮
I bet the wheels made with springs would work great on the ice
I've never seen a tire on this channel that isn't a snow tire!
You made drift tiers for the summer.
Can you get sand into the trie by sandblasting it, perhaps at a higher than normal PSI?
Should try rock salt and see how far It would take to stop and accelerate. Rock salt Is very Corse grain. Nice experiment.
An lnteresting result l live in Australia and lhave never driven or riden in snow
Should've done multiple layers of sand
How about moulded sand in a zigzag pattern?
@@mike289homebuilt5 1) what do you mean by moulded sand and 2) it would become knobly
Make it like a train adding sand when needing grip 😊on take off and braking
Beach sand would work better
If the tires were heat treated, could sand be directly applied/ adhered? If able to adhere directly, sand should hold longer than adhesive.
Meanwhile, here in the UK, people just prefer to not do anything with their tyres, then get stuck in 3mm of light dusting and blame everyone else for clogging the roads... :P
I wanna see A wooden cardan shaft. Or has he done it ?
Acme glue and nonskid
Wonder if cat litter would work better as it would be a bit bigger grit pieces to bite into the snow and ice?
Dealt with snow once, never again will I want to ever.
You should try some larger grit
I mean largest grit possible!
What if tires were made with sand in the compound, as it wears new sand is exposed. I imagine it'd be hard on the equipment making the tire.
Need another test with gravel ! Heat tires until it is soft enough to retain gravel in his own structure :)
4:15 Well, we now know why there is a worldwide shipping container shortage.😲😏
Should have used Sandpaper.
If all 4 tires had sand glued on, then the car would stop in less distance than the winter tires.
belt sander belts?
The narrator kinda sounds like a deep voiced Kermit the frog 😂
Wonder what would happen if you put a bunch of staples in a tire?
I wonder why no manufacturers include grit in their tire rubber.
Make tires like the moon lander.
How about spraying truck bed liner on them.
Interesting.
Oh yeah, I will try to go with teeth for the next time
..melt some iron nails on tires as spikes, like rally cars on snow
line x truck bed adhesive
Try with rosin
Make pistons out of tungsten!
Put more sand on your tires, Then test stopping distance ?
Why don't you glue sandpaper to the tires !
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Try to run engine on ammonia. I know you can do it :-)
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Translated hy kermit the frog 😂
try using hide glue, hot hide glue
i think the sand is too fine, try gravel? and use some better glue meant for rubber and alot more of it
it would have stopped sooner if you did the brake 1st the first run, used the wrong glue sand is releasing form the tire
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Só bake the tires are drive on the beach for snow tires