SIX Biological Evidences for Creation - Pt.1
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- Some people claim that life has evolved over millions of years, but where's the proof? Does the evidence actually point to these long spans of time or is it just wishful thinking?
Host Trey and Dr. Jeff Tomkins discuss this important topic on episode 52 of The Creation Podcast!
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Tompkins has that gigachad energy
Lolwut
Thank God for true science 😂
God is like Harry Potter. He can conjure things up. It is the easiest thing in the world
to conjure things up. Every God can do this. Otherwise we would call him a showman.
I think the classification, evolutionists do, is wright. What do you think? Is it possible
to believe in things who don't exist? Many stupid creationist children played with dinosaurs,
but not all survived. God is as useful as a pimple on the face. However, apparently
some of us are very proud of having a pimple on the face.
Then you are older than I am. I remember the very day I was born 3.6 billion years ago. It was 31Aug3.6 billion years bc. That means you are about a billion years older than me. How are you doing. How are you vascularities? These young people these days just have no idea.
Tompkins is not well versed in geology , paleontology or abiogenesis research . He can be ignored
I am a 76 year old man. When in high school we studied evolution one day and had to write a report for the next day. I copied from my Bible the days of creation. We had to stand before the class and read our report. After I read, the teacher, a baptist deacon ask me to bring him my paper. He stood a told the class to listen closely as he read my paper. He did a better job of reading than I did. When he finished he told the class that that's the way all things came to be. He told the class to forget our one day of study on evolution. I made one of the few one hundreds I ever made that day.
Yikes.
That is honestly so embarrassing
Humanity has to run from a religious interpretation of reality
@douglasgraham2101 Not long ago people did the same with slavery; they said it's in the bible so it's right.
My teacher sorta did the same thing, he said he had to teach millions of years, a one day thing, but he said he believed the Bible.
I am 82 years old and have been a Cristian for 50 years. I barely made it out of high school to say I am not very smart. Started teaching children church and was teaching exactly what you are talking about. This is to say God through the Holy Spirit gave me the wisdom or knowledge that was way past my years . Praise Him.
Sad
I am sorry you "...barely made it out of high school..." and it explains why you have been taken in by this nonsense.
You may have gained wisdom about some life experiences, but knowledge could come from enrolling in a basic course in biology at a non-Xian community college.
Old dogs like us CAN learn new tricks. Of course, if you already know all there is to know, then education, for all wise guys, would be futile.
@@WoWUndad
It never has to stay that way.
As soon as you hear Trey say "the science that confirms scripture" you have to laugh. There isn't any.
How does science confirm that earth was created in 6 days?
Show me the evidence.
Show me peer-reviewed papers.
Show me the science that confirms the creation of Adam, the result of an ancient Hebrew Golem spell.
Show me the science that confirms there was a global flood. Show me the peer-reviewed papers, when there is evidence from 8 different scientific disciplines that it never happened.
Show me the scientific evidence that people live to 600 years old like "Noah". Or 900, like "Methuselah". Show me scientific evidence of the "fountains of the deep" or "the firmament" or the "waters above the firmament".
Show me how the YEC global flood model explains away the Heat Problem.
Show me the scientific evidence that the bible is the inerrant word of god.
Show me that it's not a load of mythology recycled from earlier cultures, specifically Mesopotamian, Zoroastrian and Hellenic, with a dash of ancient Hebrew for good measure.
It is human story-telling, some of it at its worst.
I like the message "love one another" . It's difficult to do but it's better than killing each other. But the message "love god and believe in vicarious redemption via hideous human sacrifice or burn in hell for eternity"? That doesn't seem so loving. It's more the anthropomorphic carrot and the stick writ large, wouldn't you say?
But hey, show me the scientific evidence of the afterlife.
When I was a kid the Earth was only 1 billion years old. My goodness how time flies.
When you don't have facts, move the goalposts to suit your presumptions.
How the heck old are you? 🤣
😂
yes time is the “magic” ingredient lol
that and all those missing “links”🙄
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when I was a kid, the universe was 10 billion yrs old, now its over 13+ byo with talks it is up near 26 byo. How time des fly
Very interesting! Thank you. I'm 50 years old now, 28 years a Christian believer, and it's been many years since my faith rested on scientific discoveries or the lack thereof. The farther you go with God the more real he becomes to the point where it's just as self-evident is breathing. I still appreciate that science is catching up with faith. Smug scientist who are so full of their own ego and pride are extremely tiresome. Very grateful men like you and many others who have the courage to be intellectually honest, like Berlinsky. Not even a Christian but fearlessly honest in his destruction of evolution ☦️🙏 keep up the good work
"It's human to err..." Every day of those 6000? years lasts 1000 years ... So ...
"the farther (sic) you go with god...." Essentially means the more you repeat a lie, the more you believe it's the truth
I would assert Science will never catch up with Christianity. More for the simple reason science can only deal with the physical world and nothing else. Christianity is 100% about the spirit. Meaning we read in John 4:24) God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
Science for me as great as it is to allow us to engineer complex things say like a jet engine, the materials and everything about it to make it as safe as we can these days.... I find science completely off base. Huh? Think about it people are using telescopes, microscopes and a lot of other devices to examine and test word or sounds... Huh? I lose you... How about all that we see in the physical realm was spoken into existence by Christ alone... When someone is testing something under a microscope... Didn't the thing get there by Christ speaking it into existance, so why not use audio analysis to study everything :) This is why i say science, at least if we take what the Bible say "And so God said... Let there be light and it was so, the first day..." for all six days... Makes no sense to use telescopes and other devices... 😋
@@Rizla-, no, it means the longer you have had a personal relationship with your Creator, who is YHVH incarnate in Jesus Christ, the more He makes Himself known to you as He works in your life. You know, I can’t see the wind either, but I know it exists, because I feel its effects on me, and I see its effects on things around me. If you humble yourself, and ask your Creator to make Himself known to you, He will. And if you receive Him by receiving Jesus Christ as your LORD and Creator, He will make changes in you and your life that attest to His faithfulness to keep His promises in His Word. You can’t comprehend any of this, because you have allowed yourself to be brainwashed into believing you don’t have a Creator, and that you are here for no purpose, nothing has any meaning because it’s all some grand coincidence, and your life has no value. You have hardened your heart against your Creator without ever even seeking to know if He exists. Someone told you He doesn’t, and you gullibly believed their Iies, all to your own detriment. The creation itself is evidence of His existence, and if you knew how archaeological discoveries, and scientific discoveries, and astronomical discoveries, are verified by scriptures in the Bible that were written long before those discoveries were made, then you would see how fooIish you are. In fact, the creation attests to the existence of our Creator so much that He says you are without excuse for denying Him when you stand before Him in jùdgement for your unrepentant síns. Furthermore, just because you deny Him, it doesn’t excuse you from His judgèment, but rather, it just reserves you an etèrnal place in the lake of fíre. Eterníty is going to be a long time to be in remorse because you were wrong about the existence of YHVH in Christ. You still have a chance to receive Him as your LORD and Savior now, and escape His eternál judgèment. Seek YHVH in Christ and you will find Him, knock and He will open the door for you. If you open your heart to Him, then you will understand what I’m saying, and what the other person was trying to convey. Jesus Christ shed His ßIood for your síns as much as He did for mine. All you have to do is accept the free gift of salvátion that He purchased for you with His precious ßIood. I pray you will let go of the brainwashing, and earnestly seek to know your Creator.
@exclusivityinchristishatdb5520 has been there, done that; Santa Clause is real, so be good.
The god of this world has blinded them; "He gave them over to believe a lie."
Lucifer was the god on earth, he sinned then Adam was made god on earth then he sinned and satan became the god of this world today he is still
@@michaelsburger665 ...... And you believe that nonsense? With not one iota of proof for Lucifer, nor for Adam or Satan, and you're saying Satan is a god of this world........I'm sure you have lots of proof for all that! Can you read?
@@charlescoryn9614 He's very wrong, but you're wrong too. Please read the Bible.
@@charlescoryn9614there's absolutely no proof of evolution (that's why it's called a theory) and yet you believe that.
@@valeriehinkle8995.... There is considerable proof of evolution if you were amenable to science and did some research. There is little to no proof of anything else........ Yes, evolution is both a fact and a theory.
"Given enough time, anything can happen" is a tragically flawed proposition.
Yeah it includes all the awful stuff as well but somehow we got here🤷🏼♀️ talk about wishful thinking
Anything would include fairies at the bottom of the garden. That is actually what multiverses would predict.
"Time" is a magic wand that could grant any scientist's/archeologist's wish.
Including your halfway-evolved species being wiped out by a natural disaster and subsequent overpredation, or dying off in a few generations because it can’t regulate blood acidity or body temperature yet and it will take thousands of generations to do so, which it won’t make it past three generations without.
But evolution KNEW it was going to become such a cool organism, which is why survival of the fittest doesn’t seem to apply to creatures with half-formed wings or homeostatic control or one of the specific hormonal regulators it needs to survive yet. No, they all developed into a perfectly balanced ecosystem despite any that evolved too early being able to knock the who,e thing out in a few generations of eating and breeding prolifically, and a freak weather event nearly endangering fully functioning species within our lifetimes.
Time- the magic wand to wave at all my problems.
@@analieromero”God” is a magic wand that could grant any fools/imbeciles wish.
Life begins with the Holy spirit 🙏
He was "a man of sorrow, and acquainted with grief."
My mind recalled that in grade school, early 70s, a textbook said it took millions of years to make topsoil....
I was a child and knew that was not true... my father had a composting bin in our back yard and was making topsoil in a few weeks.
Observe real life, real events.
Far more accurate than the teaching agenda .
That is in reference to lichen and other microbes breaking down rocks to make the soil not making soil from biomass (which required soil to grow in the first place). Not nay saying creation, just making sure you don’t get made out to be a fool in an argument. An intelligent designer would also create a mechanism to replenish soil (the breakdown of rocks by lichen) but that isn’t necessarily how all of the topsoil was made originally.
Your father's topsoil wasn't the same.
Also, your father was doing it manually. Naturally, it took millions of years to make.
@@Rizla- I saw how my father made it, and how he could repeat the process again and again every year. What you are telling me NO-ONE has witnessed or ever will.
Science is repeatable, demonstrable and works each and every time it is attempted.
Nothing you tell us has been witnessed by another living person, as such we cannot say it is repeatable or not or it happens the same way each and every time or not.
In other words sir/madam NOTHING you say can be proven. Yet we can prove top soil can be created in a matter of months again and again so it is fact. You are simply expounding a theory NO-ONE can prove.
Go away with your false science.
observing real life and real events has led me to the conclusion that the world functions completely fine without the assumption of any supernatural forces or gods
@djb5320 the only thing you have observed is your phor skin. Regards Jake.
This is awesome and needed. Explaining this to a non-believer would be tough or to get them to watch this and have an open mind about the Truth would even be more difficult. Many times, even real evidence is not enough to wake someone up to the truth. Let's pray God will move in the hearts of those that do not believe, and they come to belief in Jesus. Amen.
"I can understand why those fluent in the field of genetics would be convinced by the theory of universal descent; there is an impressive quantity and insightfulness in the work. It is a remarkably well-developed theory with plenty of evidence to support its cause" James Tour
You are a great host! The way you summarize and reiterate drives home the truth you and your guests share.
In regards to the wooly mammoth, have you all read the exerts from Admiral Richard Birds expedition to the Antarctic?
No, but I'll try to find that.
No, what about it?
@@coppertopv365
He had a bird brain and feet, but I don't think he had feathers.
Lifeforms that need to eat other lifeforms is exactly what's expected from an unplanned, unintentional, unintelligent, unguided, foresight-less, imperfect & amoral unconscious natural evolutionary creation process; And is exactly what's *NOT* expected from a so-called perfect, omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient & benevolent moral conscious creator with thoughtful intentions & an intelligent plan.
I'm pretty appreciative of the entire eating process myself. That and salt.
Until you take sin into consideration.
@@fredbriggs2225
Unfortunately you're not saying anything intelligent by thinking properly & honestly. You're only parroting the stuff you've been indoctrinated with.
It was not so in the beginning see Genesis. When sin/evil came into creation that's when all creation changed see Romans 1
@@senkat8747
Unfortunately you're not saying anything intelligent by thinking properly & honestly. You're only parroting the stuff you've been indoctrinated with.
Thank you so much for posting this. This is super great!
Great discussion. I posted it on Facebook simply because people need to realize there is a viable alternative to the common narrative. Now I'm ready for Part 2. Where is it?
Let's hope they let you to post on Facebook.
July 25th at noonish👍🏻
Nice to hear someone besides me believe the truth on how old the world is. Thanks guys.
"because people need to realize there is a viable alternative to the common narrative"
No there isn't.
@@atheistangel007, you're not an atheist. Evolution is your religion.
That's the nature of religions. People who accept their religion absolutely are locked into that belief system, and seemed compelled to bend all observations to fit their narrative instead of letting observations inform their belief system. An example of this is those who dogmatically accept their scriptures as the only revealed truth.
That giant spaghetti monster religion- can they suggest they have the only revealed truth? So there is ancient pagan religions- practiced today, that are spoken of right through the bible. Which one is serving the creator? You do know there is a creator- abiogenesis is ot shown in science, they are just hoping it occured. Anyone can make up stories. Which stories can describe the bottom of the ocean before it was even known? Try the bible. Try Job 38:31. How did they know?
J
The nature of people is to interpret information according to already accepted information.
How else could it be?
Western atheists bely their lack of self-awareness when they ascribe that phenomenon to other people and assume themselves above it.
It's like when Dawkins wrote that book and never considered that his own ideas were memes subject to all faults he ascribed to ideas he was trying to call delusional.
Self defeating, but not self aware.
I realized in high school biology class that Darwin was schilling his granpappy Erasmus. Contemporaneously, you had Charles Lyell who was a rabid materialist. Methodological "naturalism" is anything but "natural." Oh yeah, I forgot the evolution thumper Huxley and his fake embryology!
@@UserRandJ
The FS Monster told them.
This is science that seems to be locked in their rigid belief systems not religion
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So you’ve followed 20+ years of misinformation?
Not something to be proud of
Get well soon
Genuinely curious, why do you enjoy being lied to ?? And i am not talking about this is a lie since I dont agree with their claims, not i am talking objectjive lies. Like them claiming science says x when in reality they say y. Or claiming science has not presented evidence for x when there is a whole truckload of evidence.
Now ask yourseölf why they lie so much. If we where wrong they could tell you the truth and point out why what we are saying is false. Butj they have no argument against what science really says, so they create this whole fake version of scilencfe just to have something they can actually argue against. And you all just blindly believe it instead of checking what science actually says. It is truly sad how many people fall for this, just because they want to believe this
AIG = Getting paid to lie for a living!
@@Peekaboo-Kitty The Bible is provable truth.
Just found this channel! Could you pin some links to the articles that cite the secular journals that back up the points discussed please?
Don't hold your breath.
@@offthefront7537 because?
ER Ah. I doubt that will happen so there goes that idea.
If they did you’d realize how BS this is.
@@betsieswartz please explain, citing examples
even trees are older and have chronological data in them.😊😅😊
Ice cores show the same like tree rings over tens of thousands of years (not sure the oldest count) 👍
4.5 billion is correct….what an insult to Mother Earth who has seen so much . Early earth was molten even…..no way it was magically poofed into existence 6,000 yrs ago . I live in Hawaii….anyone who lives here can see our rather slow basaltic lava flows took millions of years to build 30,000 foot mountains from the ocean floor . Our oldest island, Kauai is 5.5 million !
It would be great if you could prepare a PDF companion to each episode documenting the various references mentioned, and giving a 'point form' outline of the program. This could be downloaded from the description, with QR codes to link back to the video, the ICR website, shop, etc.
References, you're kidding right?
@@offthefront7537 I agree . But yes, if you are going to quote and reference 100's of things that you expect me to take as fact , I would like to go to the source myself before embracing anything these gentlemen proclaim.
Read the book: The Stairway to Life: An Origin of Life Realty Check by Han and Stadler
@@Vernon-ChitlenI'm curious what you think about 500 million year old jellyfish found in the rock shale formations in Canada?
@@JN-Bellicose How do you know they are 500 million years old? Cambrian is a big problem for evolution. 20-35 major phyla appear with no transitions. Most all aquatic life being it was the original ocean floor, preflood. How do you explain 65 million year old, soft dinosaur tissue? Amber Ale, brewed from supposedly 45 million year old yeast? Over 500 species of living fossil specimens. Coelacanth, wollemi pine, horseshoe crab, starfish, mostly insects in amber, identical to existing species.
❤❤❤.thank you for calling out the lies
Isaiah 43: 7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
The bible is a collection of fairy tales!
The bible starts with lies and it does not get any better!
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Also check psalm 137:9
That means nothing.
@icxcnika1823 Says me...why should I, or anyone, care what the Bible says?
@@dusermiginte4647 Why?
Remember Jeff Goldbloom's character in Jurassic Park. "First it's ooos and awws, and then the running and the screaming" 😂
Ooooohs and Ahhhhhhs
Yes. Isn't it amazing how we killed all the dinosaurs with our bronze-age grenade launchers?
Why is it that I don't believe for a SECOND that 'there's soft tissue found in rocks billions of years old' from a guy whose entire hopes for his eternal afterlife rest on disproving paleontology and evolution? lol I dunno, I mean that doesn't seem like an ENORMOUS bias to me at all... kind of like a criminal whose fate would be life in prison offering me half-baked evidence and hearsay statements of their innocence...
Let’s get the scriptures involved love the topic. It’s about time God brings forth people with knowledge and skills to understand the creation account. Amen 🙏🏽
You can't mix facts with fiction
@@Rizla- Yet you not only do so but call it science and claim science is fact.
i dont agree with scientific theory but also 6000 years is not enough,sorry!
lol
Modern Western laws are NOT based on Christians values, otherwise slavery would still be a moral practice. The Bible assumes slavery is a moral practice and it teaches how to buy, sell & beat the slaves. No Bible verse indicates slavery should be abolished.
Is John Sandford a scientist or a novelist? Can you state his qualifications to make this study referenced in this video. Also links to the studies in Nature and Science in 2012. Thank you.
It said he was a PhD geneticist in the first 30 seconds of the video
@@changstein you are referencing Dr. Jeff Tompkins, the one being interviewed, and I am asking about John Sanford!
Well, he is clearly not a scientist..
J.C. Sanford was a professor of genetics at Cornell University. Invented the "gene gun."
John Sandford is a bogus Scientist. His paper on Genetic Entropy is B.S. The easiest refutation to his "Genetic Entropy" claim is the persistence and flourishing of short-generation Time populations. If mutation accumulation were always a net deleterious process ending in extinction, then the populations with short generation times, like fruit flies and mice (which I used to breed), would have gone extinct long ago. Yet we NEVER see this happening in Nature. Why is that? Because the claims John Sanford makes are BOGUS!
I wish you would put links to the studies cited below the video.
That’s true. Links and book recommendations are great.
But google scholar can be helpful.
Links to most academics sucks though. I lookup mushroom research and it’s honestly easier to find papers in Korea then in the U.S. online. The U.S. has papers but if you have BUY those tax funded papers. It’s BS! Like why are research papers that were paid for by taxes then letting schools force the public to buy those papers? It’s like wtfzzz?
@@koltoncrane3099 I totally agree with you, but can't upvote because wt* zzzz offends God.
@@koltoncrane3099 "But google scholar can be helpful."
Yes it can! But you will find exactly zero peer reviewed papers about "creationism" on there.
You forgot to say that peer reviewed will publish only if you agree with evolution . Thats how stupid your argument is. Church was also only peer review in middle ages@@atheistangel007
Lol
“If the Bible is wrong about the age of the earth, then who’s to say it’s not wrong about everything else?” Well, that’s a very good question. That’s worth spending a lot of time pondering . . .
It's one of those pondering things that will open your eyes to truth not revealed to everyone, or to arrogance believing you are powerful enough that what you imagine as the limits and rules are must what be the truth of the universe is.
@@brentjohnson9210 Exactly 😉
the bible is not wrong it is all the opinions that people make that is wrong, the bible writes let God be true and every man be a lie
If scientists were wrong about the assumed fact that Dino tissue could not survive millions of years, then whose to say they are wrong about many, many more assumed facts ?
@@dond8559 of course, science is pretty clear and open about the fact that IT is evolving. ;)
"Kind...er... Species. Im not saying species is the definition of kind"
Careful Jeffrey...
"Schweitzer has also discovered that iron particles may play a part in the preservation of soft tissue over geologic time." From Wikipedia. Or to put it another way, there's always a better explanation than anything that comes out of a YEC mouth.
Yec?
@@NewASMR24 Young Earth Creationist
@@jonathanrussell1140Ohhh, so you were insulting him? Well I find it kind of ironic considering you trust a Wikipedia source lol, you do know that anyone can change what Wikipedia says. It’s not a reputable source.
Why don't they invite a biologist with opposing views on to debate this?
they cannot because its all opinions from mankind not from God
@@michaelsburger665 Define God.
We don’t need to be presented with both sides here in a debate because the entire body of scientific literature will speak for itself as will the scriptures, anyone that debates without either one of those as a foundation is not intellectually honest, people try from an emotional perspective to create for themselves a god that better fits their worldview and that goes both for misogynists trying to twist the Bible to control and oppress women to lab coats and glasses that want to tell us they’ve disproven God or his word which they never have. My point, however, is that the opposing view from this one is taught to little kids in school and presented as fact, we already know what the arguments are for macro-evolution and they fall flat.
Because the biologist would show how dumb they are
@@serg3209 what arguments for macro-evolution fall flat?
I've spent alot of time at Point Addis Marine park on low tide, there are crabs,, starfish, clams, chittons, pippis, every one of them smashed up and the rocks and cliffs are crammed full of them.
The chitton fossils are an example of stasis, I found many live chittons, the exact same species as the fossil, living on the same rock the fossil was in. These are complex , with 8 armoured plates, that are also 8 separate valves. They can ball up in your hand if lifted/ I achieved it once, you have to be fast as they have a powerful grip on the rocks with their 8 valves.
Also, the entire coastline has huge tsunami layers, and between the layers is wet clay/ has not cured. There's also a cave that you can walk in, and down the back the cave goes up high open to the sky, through all the tsunami layers. So if those layers occured over millions of years, how is that cave not filled in with each layer? This was a single enormous event, tectonic global flood.
Jake in Oz
Hi Lloydz. I think one problem was, in the 1800s people were unearthing large dinosaur fossils, not soft tissue remnants, but hard rock fossils. They knew no large dinosaurs were around, and they were trying to construct a time line of when these dinosaurs had lived. The more static life forms you mention were not really a problem for them. Since then, many kinds of fossils of extinct plants and animals have been found: these add to the interpretational conundrum. Because humans were writing on clay tablets 4000 years ago, and some cave art is apparently even older, the time line for putative very recent dinosaurs becomes tighter.
Have you consulted a marine biologist? I'm sure they'll be happy to explain.
Amen.
Yes we know Evolution is a fairy tale for adults. And lie😊
@@reggieb184Explain what?
This guy Tomkin's psychological projection is pretty awesome. His brass neck in accusing others of coming with a presupposition that causes them to ignore evidence is wild!!!
Right, everyone should hop onto your Darwin-cheerleader bandwagon and join in with your mindlessly calling your Darwinistspeak "evidence for" your Darwinistspeak. How shallow and self-defeating you have to be to be able to sit there claiming that you're not _presupposing_ when you call your cherished Darwinistspeak, _"evidence"!_
@alltimeislikethepresent I never claimed that. Read carefully. What I said was that Tomkins has a brass neck for accusing others of that fault.
@@gilesbbb_"I never claimed that. Read carefully. What I said was that Tomkins has a brass neck for accusing others of that fault."_
OK, so, you agree that you Darwin cheerleaders' presupposing that your Darwinistspeak is _evidence,_ is a fault? What's it to you if he's accusing you Darwin cheerleaders' of that fault, since, if he is doing so, he's right to do so? I mean, I looked up your "brass neck" idiom, and what's handed me is: _"a type of behavior where someone is extremely confident about their own actions but does not understand that their behavior is unacceptable to others."_ So, your gripe is that someone's doing what he is right to do is nevertheless somehow "unacceptable" to you?
When you mentioned that the academic atheists are having to rethink and come up with new ideas of how things came to be, it made me think of how the current space/astronomical "scientists" are currently doing the same thing with trying to figure out how the universe came to be or how old it "really" is.
we can calculate how old is the unirverse with the quantification of elements in the center of mass. every radioactive elements need to came from a supernova star or bigger to be created and that a proof of how old is the earth.
I don’t understand how if they found whole red blood cells inside intact blood vessels in a t-Rex; why is the DNA shattered and destroyed? That doesn’t make logical sense to me.
Because DNA is a really fragile molecule. Which is why our living bodies have the enzymes and systems to activly detect damage, and fix it.
When you die these detection, and repaire systems stop, and so the DNA is now subject to all the things that can wreak havoc on it. Oxygen will destroy it, water will destroy it. Methylation will destroy it. And he'll the very nuclear forces holding that atomic, and molecular bonds in the DNA together will eventually destroy it. That's why despite in tact cells being found, all the DNA therein is highly degraded abd fragmented.
I congregate you on your intuition. It doesn't make sense and that is not what was found. I cringe at what these guys are willing to say to lead the believers on.
Red blood cells don’t have a nucleus
@@wooddoc5956 It’s not too far off, though. The actual discovery was alarming for the theory, as the DNA they did find on its fossil should have succumbed to half-life and degradation millions of years ago.
The way they said it was not representative of the actual discovery, but the discovery still knocks a golfball-sized hole through ‘millions of years’, as we should not have found ANYTHING on those bones.
Ha Ha. Congregate!
If the Universe was created only around 6,000 years ago, how would one explain the enormously complex geological formations of the Earth, with the myriad rock types and different rock strata, that obviously must have taken millions of years of erosion to look like they do today?
You should study a book on hydrology to understand what effects a global flood would have on exactly your question. AIG has such a book.
The Bible never mentions the universe. In the beginning GOD created the heavens and earth. The flood didn't create mountains. Sedimentary rock layers like the Grand Canyon are results from the world wide flood.
@@Bobbychildree
Show me a horse, or dog, or cat, or any mammal, from the Cambrian Period and I will believe you.
Simple, Those formations can happen quickly under the right conditions. My guess is The Flood wasn't just a flood. The topography was changing under the flood waters, hills where formed like the hills of Pennsylvania and the landscape out west. This had to be the case because trees and living things are found in the coal thousands of feet underneath the hills or mountains. I conjecture that some or all Hills, (didn't check the bible on this) were not from the beginning part of the created world. Only after the flood did they appear. Think about if you were to by a shirt would they sell it to you with wrinkles? NO. Same with the earth. Hills may be pretty but they are seemingly unnatural pain to deal with. They make travel a problem and building too. Just my thoughts.
@@dfpolitowski2
Except that we KNOW how the earth changes in great detail now ... and the evidence does not support your Bible story, unless it was a local Flood which it probably was. How many Animals did Noah have on the Ark?
Thanks a lot
I'm going over to Part 2!
Not me! I want to know REAL Science!
When someone says "well the flood did this...", you know there are lying.
I dunno man, if the younger Dryas ice age about 10k years ago, raised sea levels like Plato talks about, in places like Jericho, which is actually below sea level, and left that salty eye burning puddle in a limestone desert, I can see how people with an oral tradition for 7000 years and travelled by foot everywhere, might through a long game of apocalyptic telephone come to think that the entire world was flooded. Animals would obviously survive in higher ground, and are always quick to repopulate. Doesn't have to be wrong, per se, just simplified for narrative expedience.
So true! Kinda like when someone says that a huge explosion of gases created solid matter, then over time sludge formed and oozed. Sometime there after that ooze became some form of life that decided to evolve into other forms. Other forms that well so many still exist so, I’m guessing those are the retarded life forms that just couldn’t get with the others to evolve! Yeah so much more believable that nothing created EVERYTHING!
So, anyone should be willing to entertain evidence for a theory different than evolution. But assuming evolution was replaced by something else, why must it necessarily follow that the universe and the earth couldn't have been created billions of years ago by a creator? Why does it have to be thousands?
Exactly. Even if there is proven evidence that the earth (universe!) is not billions of years old, therefore it IS 6,000 years old is NOT scientific at all. Put more real research and develop FALSIFIABLE hypothesis/theories on alternative dating techniques that indicate the 6,000 years, then there is credibility. IT IS NOT EASY TO BE SCIENTIFIC. Science does not start with certainty and succeed by just discrediting everything else (assumptions, premises, yes, but not certainties - even the nature of 'time' is subject to scrutiny in physics). After all not even all Christians are certain that it IS 6,000 years by simple scripture reading. And there are lots of non-Christians for whom 6,000 years are not relevant at all! The world is larger than Christians or even Abrahamaics...
Most definitely it doesn't necessarily follow that the Creator couldn't have brought forth the universe and the Earth billions of years ago. Belief in a Creator is pretty common but the details regarding the Creator and the Creator's creation obviously vary quite a lot, even among those with a biblical worldview. I actually have an old/young Earth creation worldview. I see no problem interpreting the Genesis account to mean that the universe and the Earth have been in existence for billions of years, however, I strongly believe it was ordered and given plant, animal and human life approximately 6000 years ago. The six days of creation are about Earth, not about the universe. Additionally, is about an already existing Earth being taken from a Mars like state/condition to what we have now (or the perfection it had before sin and death entered in).
The Genesis account gets dismissed by establishment science for a number of reasons; like the sun coming in the scene after plants have been formed. This might not make sense to the establishment but it is actually incredibly consistent with the entire Bible. For just a little teaser into the topic read the last two chapters of Revelation and you'll see what I mean. The Bible has two bookends, Genesis and Revelations, that help us to understand the beginning and the ending.
If you read this and have questions/comments, I'd enjoy the dialog with you I'm sure 😊 Blessed day
@@truthbebold4009 then you have a problem as the sun,moon and universe were created on day 4.Tell me how long did it take Jesus to create wine at the wedding in Cana
@@alanpfeiffer9686 So what day was the Earth created? The sun and moon were created on day four but were the stars and the universe? The mention of the stars on day four is possibly parenthetical. There is no direct mention of the stars being created on day four, the focus is the sun and moon. We must recognize that there are questions that arise no matter which view we hold.
@@truthbebold4009 nd God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to distinguish between the day and the night, and let them be signs to mark the seasons and days and years. 15And let them serve as lights in the expanse of the sky to shine upon the earth.” And it was so.
16God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night. And He made the stars as well.
17God set these lights in the expanse of the sky to shine upon the earth, 18to preside over the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. day 4 verse 15 of genesis chapter 1 .
My pastor, Bill Young, at the Rock Church in Draper, Utah, did a whole series on the young earth more than 10 years ago. I have shared this with him in hopes that he will bring this series back again. He did share and sell quite a few DVDs to private schools or educational purposes
I used to be a young earth creationist myself, but when I got into serious study, I realized I had been fooled by confirmation bias. Sorry, there may be a god, but humans didn't just pop into existence a few thousand years ago (and the earth isn't flat). Though science and the bible have one thing in common - they are fallible, science is not based on faith and dogma but research and proof; it's not always right, but it is more reasonable.
@@ImOddToddthey “dated” Mt St Helen’s as blowing 2.4mya… only 12 years after it happened.
That’s BS.
Deep time needs deeply honestly questioned.
The idea of the universe being billions of years ago was theorized, in part, by a Catholic priest.
@007gracie I have no problem being skeptical about dating methods, but the bible is not in any factual book, though I know it quite well.
@007gracie i have no problem questioning peoples conclusions -as well as those who claim "they" date Mt St Helens as 12 mya, or deep time too but it to conclude fhe Noah's ark myth is a literal event is plain preposterous as well as thinking earth is just 5000 years old.
I am a skeptic. I do not believe any generalisations that are given unless I am also given reference to the actual papers talked about. I have searched for documentation of the ‘quotes’ from some of these creationist videos and found that most were taken out of context or grossly misinterpreted. I hope that they eventually learn to tell the truth.
Show where it was taken out of context or where it was grossly misinterpreted.
Bingo.
Do you want reference paper, then read the bible
@@RealAaron317 The bible is not a reference paper. It is a fairy story - badly written and of little use to society.
How to stump creationists: If god is an intelligent creator of the universe then he must have designed you to crap out dirty filthy stinking turds, to have stinking
farts, and sometime have stinking wet farts in public. Now evolution doesn't have such a problem, it is simply a product of nature not a designer.
And I learned a couple of things I didn't know!!👍😍
Its important to laugh yes .
I learned many things that I didn't need to know because they aren't true!
@@Peekaboo-Kitty well thank God the almighty has chimed in! 😭... Thank you for your extensive research! 🙏🫤🤣
That's what we call blind faith in the common sense community 🥴😅
@@travisbicklepopsicle
I don't trust anyone... Only data and what I can see... Also, no self-respecting Christian would ever say that science should be avoided in deference to scripture...
Perhaps your knowledge and understanding of history is limited...
"Atheist scientists" routinely deny what is right in front of their faces... As a matter of "routine"!... All of their efforts are centered around proving to the masses that there is no Creator... They have succeeded for the most... Because people trust what they say without verifying what the research actually shows.... Case in point.. yourself...
You watch creationist's videos....
Completely unaware that the research has been done by scientists! Mostly secular and atheist 🤣
Both sides are looking at the same evidence...
Those that wish to keep having sex with their goat, and continue in their pedophile activities... choose to allow the twisted interpretation of the science wholeheartedly... Without ever actually "looking" at the research! 😭
Which could easily be remedied if the observer " grew a pair".. 👍...just as well..
Those without the strength to stand on their own couldn't serve God anyway...
Most people are unaware that "judgment begins at the church"... But will quickly move on to the stubborn narcissist...
@@dusermiginte4647
Laugh away... God is laughing.
While in complete agreement with a Creator and the creation a common error is to misinterpret the so called six "days" of the Creation as 24 hour days.
We're as the Bible makes it plain that until the creation of the sun and moon there was no solar, lunar or 24 hour "days".
The Bible makes it clear there was light before there was a sun and moon. Every single day of creation it says, and there was evening and morning. In heaven there is no sun yet everything is filled with light and there are no shadows. In Genesis 20 God clearly says, in 6 days He created the earth and everything in it. God, who can not lie, said that is how it was.
I believe Jesus is coming very soon. 2032-2036
YES, now I have no need to comment because someone else (you) understand. Not that we are right or wrong but at least we aren't alone here in our thinking or rationalization. Thanks
Maybe you’re assuming the 24hr day came AFTER the sun? God could’ve made the day then the sun to mark it, measure it & provide the light from then on.
It’s on that long list: “so God what does this mean?!”
Those who wrote Genesis didn't even know where the Sun goes at night and you want me to believe Genesis is a literal account?
If other folks need more proof of creation and the Creator then that is their case but I don't require any more. My life is a living testimony to the relationship that YHWH desires in His creation plan. Stupendous!
YHWH - The god of the sound of breathing, the so called spirit of life, because bronze age goat-herders didn't understand what oxygen is and why we need it.
Adam is an ancient Hebrew Golem spell.
Adamah - man, also clay.
Look it up.
@@jonathanrussell1140 The Creator is an oxygen imposter. Jesus died for nothing I suppose. Man is the true god. Careful he doesn't flatulate in your face.
The science in question is far more solid than the speculations that oppose it. The question is, which views would you base your survival on, informed science by serious people or uninformed counter-speculations by fashionable fools?
Just like with Covid?
@@andrewkrauth1966 COVID has nothing to do with this conversations. If you are tying to imply wrongdoing on the part of science, I don't think you want to get into that conversation. Christians have performed more genocide and made more attempts to hide science than you can even image.
when armageddon comes, make sure you stick to your 🔫!? 😜
How is one’s survival affected by what one’s belief around how long humans have existed for?
@@philhart4849 you have the wrong perspective of God. He uses doctors & medicine. So when you pray for healing in your body He might not directly heal you.. that can happen too.. be He also works through other people. & the complexity of that is incomprehensible to the human mind. Without God science wouldn’t exist. Antibiotics wouldn’t exist.. nothing would.
The devolution of the human genome is a solid argument against evolution creating new species. If each generation loses and distorts a bit of code, how can code evolve and expand to create new species and forms of life?
It isn’t. It’s noise and doesn’t stand up to a moment of intelligent scrutiny. Any change, including loss of genetic material can cause an improvement in survival.
There are many positive mutations in humans. Those who run this "honest" website keep deleting my post, but some of those include the ability for anyone over the age of 6 to process dairy, color vision, a smaller jaw, the reduction in the number of people with wisdom teeth in each progressive generation, certain people having resistance to diseases such as HIV, and the fact that all humans tails stop developing mid formation while in utero and then are reabsorbed into the existing cells to re used for something more productive. There is no devolution happening here.
So dna changing isn’t a sign of evolution?!
Go and read some science. You wouldn't then ask such a question
@@bobwilkinson2008The question by Angel was rhetorical and fact, by observation.
Thank you for the excellent video 😊
The Lord’s love + grace be with you
Hope you are all well and resting in Jesus saving love + grace 😊
Blessings friends 😊
Comments like yours and videos like his, are exactly why people are leaving religion in droves. With more still choosing not to pursue religion or indoctrinate their children.
@@JN-Bellicose Hi my friend 😊 hope your well 😊
If I may ask my friend, do you know of any hope beyond the grave, to share at people’s most desperate times, and of a comfort, grace, and peace, that nothing or no one can ever take away? Or of forgiveness, when we least deserve to be forgiven. Or a type of love, that TRULY is UNCONDITIONAL?
I’m open to discussing ALL kinds of beliefs (I love too) but in some college’s, some teaches go out of their way to force other faiths, to deny, or they fail the class
Without any fair discussion, or use of evidence or ACTUAL scientific method (subjective, personal opinion, NOT objective evidence based)
And too many youths feel suicidal, because THEY are being indoctrinated that they are a clump of cells, an accident, and nothing more
They just live, and die, having NO HOPE
Would you agree with their methods, or do you think we should ALL be open, and willing to talk fairly, and gently with others?
And at some point, interestingly, someone is indoctrinating, or sharing their reason why they feel their opinion is right
It happens everywhere, even just switching on the tv 😅
(I believe this, and this is why you should)
See what I mean 😅
But here’s the real question
Would we really love Jesus, and care about being holy + pure, of heart AND mind, if no one even mentioned about God?
Sadly, too many people have not always set the right example (like me) or people who never truly knew Jesus love + grace
(I apologise for everyone)
But instead of what do we think of people, who’s flawed, just like us
What do we think of Jesus, and the example’s He set?
And is it grounded in history, not based of a subjective, personal opinion, or feelings
And are we prepared to be TRULY honest + open, regardless of personal feelings?
Please feel free to share what you think we can do better to offer hope
I’m always willing to learn, and openly, and honestly examine different claims, to find out, objectively, what IS true
And if you WOULD like evidence (plenty of it) for a reason of hope, I’d be more than happy to share, my friend 😊
I have nothing but good intentions for you
And I just want you to know how loved and cared for you are 😊
And that you CAN know of a comfort, hope + peace, that NOTHING can ever take away, even a hope beyond the grave, that is actually supported by evidence
An atheist, amazingly said
If I truly believe what I read in The Bible, that Jesus is The ONLY WAY to heaven
How much do you have to hate someone, to NOT tell them
Again, if you WOULD like evidence (plenty of it) for a reason of hope, I’d be more than happy to share, my friend 😊
Love + every blessings, my friend 😊
Its also why there is so much evil in the world today .
@@dusermiginte4647 Hi my friend. Hope your well 😊
That would be religion, and people doing sinful things, NOT Jesus
Interestingly, guess who Jesus rebuked more than anyone? Religious hypocrites, who never knew the Love of Jesus to begin with
If we listened to Jesus, we would love our neighbour’s, and even our enemies, bringing an end to war
Amazingly, those people groups, those fallen in sin
When everyone was casting them out, Jesus was the only one who welcomed them, and shown SUCH compassion, mercies, Love + grace
To such a depth, where hearts were changed, where religion could not
Even non-believers acknowledged “Never has a man spoke like this”
John chapter 6 verse 68-69
- Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God
If I may share this with you, I hope it’s ok
For years, what I thought was joy, was an empty joy
Then I knew Jesus, and it became a fullness of joy
And then, I knew God’s DEEP comfort, mercies, grace, Love, Hope, peace + Joy, that NOTHING can ever take away or extinguish
And even in the darkest of times, His Light will ALWAYS shine through
When we are at our most broken, and lowest state
Jesus can, and WILL lift us up
Turning our brokenness and shame, into something BEAUTIFUL, showing such grace + Love
For anyone who will receive Him
He will NEVER turn away anyone, who seeks Him
He loves you SO MUCH, He gave His own life for you, so you can live + know eternal Life, Love, Joy + peace
If you have any questions, concerns or doubts, I’m always happy to talk, anytime my friend 😊
Bless you’s so much, my dear friends 😊
@@dusermiginte4647 LOL. There is less "evil" in secular countries then religious ones
I studied under Dr. Henry Morris II in his Genesis Clas at First Baptist Church of Dallas. I still miss him and his wife, Janis.
I am now wondering in regards to the human genome devolving;
Is that one reason for an increase in food intolerances and allergies?
Too much Fact momentum for God and Jesus than any evolution by ♾️
you're a ignorant as they are... they "proved" nothing... 1) certain evolutionary cycles have been physically proven to exist... that is just FACT... 2) GOD can do what HE wants, when HE wants... 3) Eternity has no Time and NO DAYS... time is a human creation to explain past, present, and future... the 7 "days" in the Bible could be 7 BILLION YEARS... GOD created the earth is 6 days (6 billion years) and rested on the 7th... GOD may have been "experimenting" and didn't create Human Man until recently but based on previous experiments... WE small minded humans have no clue to what GOD had in mind when HE started this planet...
God yes, Jesus no
@@davidabulafia7145We are saved because of God's Son, Jesus Christ.We are sooooo blessed
@@davidabulafia7145there is no other name given among men whereby we must be saved, but the name of Jesus.
Behold the hand,
Behold the nail
Please read John 1:1 and 2, then come back again if you want. Thanks
Ok, i get up and say, thank you, this is relaxing. When you say creator, I feel like a dog in trouble.. Yes frog and fly dna are easy to work with. Like takung a fuse box out of a boat and putting it in your shack.. Fill the slots, grow the protien.. Anyway, i dont go there. It seems to work fine..Tell me about this creator? I know how I operate my platforms, very handy to find unique data and reflections. For whats aloud..
When I was at school, the big bang came from a comet of 1km diameter, later on it became a football, later it was as big as a molecule, after that a particle of an atom, I believe to day it was nothing what exploded.
Where can we find the midocondrial dna findings for young human
I wish there were links to some of these articles we can use. A lot is pay to see but worth it.
Dang it, they must have misplaced them...
They can’t afford to. If they told you were they were they’d be quickly debunked.
Thank you. HELPFUL for dialogue when opportunity.
😂😂😂
I confess that even after 6,000 years or 5,000 after the flood ( not sure) that there is soft tissue. You'd think it would be decayed from then. So certainly billions of years soft tissue would be gone.
Your argument is an argument from incredulity. You do not understand the science of how it could last so long so you dismiss it.
There never was a global flood!
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@@hotsaucedaddy6000 _"You do not understand the science of how it could last so long so you dismiss it."_
That's what Darwinistspeak says; that's not what science says. Your Darwinistspeak is not science, so it is useless for you to try to appeal to rationally-thinking people by asininely miscalling your Darwinistspeak, "science".
"Billions of years" is a Darwinistspeak chant; it is not science. You can sit there miscalling your Darwinistspeak, "science", all you'd like. But what good do you imagine that's going to do for you beyond maybe getting high-fives from your fellow, God-hating Darwin cheerleaders (who are uniformly conditioned to playing the exact same Darwinistspeak language game you are conditioned to play)?
@@alltimeislikethepresent
Actually, Darwin and evolution IS science. The proof are there, you can google it or choose to ignore the evidence and just stay with faith..
Just like a flat earther...
@@dusermiginte4647 🦜says: _"Actually, Darwin and evolution IS science."_
LOL
🦜says: _"The proof are [sic] there, you can google it or choose to ignore the evidence and just stay with faith.."_
You don't even know what proof is. You don't even know what evidence is. You don't even know how to get grammatical number correct in your pathetic, English-butchering attempts to write a post.
Saying something is "dangerous" really reveals the Smithsonian belief system. They cannot deal with the idea of God creating this universe.
The foolishness of man's pride.
Because we actually have evidence for evolution.
@@betsieswartz No, you have evidence that there is change within a species, which we already see. That's not evolution that's natural selection. We can all see that. passing it off as evolution is crap.There is no evidence for how things began and changed , there is only theory and conjecture passed off as truth you better believe or else.(not going along with the establishment means loss of funding, of course) And no real fossil record that connects the species, only reinforces the idea that species reproduced and changed according to their "kind". At no point was there a connection between monkeys and say, birds, except in the Wizard of Oz, which come to think of it is pretty close to what evolution proposes anyway.
Where can we access these articles?
Many people asking. It has been 4 months. Wonder why they didn't provide a link? Huh, they must have just forgotten.
You would think they would put up their scientific evidence for peer review...
Strange that he describes science as a religion that's locked in to their beliefs, then goes about making his point from a religious point of view locked in to his original belief. Seems like both are guilty of confirmation bias.
Can you raise a constructive criticism on the point and details he mentioned? Counter his points with science, can you? Otherwise it's just talking.
I did raise a constructive criticism. I'm pointing out the cognitive bias in the presentation. He basically discounts any evidence for an old Earth in favor of a young Earth while at the same time criticizing science for the same.
@@keithtruman8361 There is no empirical evidence to support an "old" earth. That's the point of this presentation. The "religious" point of view is supported by empirical evidence. The theory of evolution is exactly that...a theory, and a weak theory at that. It seems to be based on the ideology that if we believe something enough, we can manifest it into reality. Modern scientists, in the fields relating to evolution, seem to be really skilled at deduction, but not confirmation. The truth, no matter how uncomfortable or inconvenient, is something that can be recognized by, more or less, anyone, not just "expert" scientists.
Yes I think that’s the point? That evolutionists say it’s science yet ignore new discoveries.
Hold fast to “theories” which are theories after all.
Yet they often denigrate & mock bible beliefs… portray themselves as more “educated” & Christians as anti- science.
A Christians view is that bible is true &, if something contradicts it, keep looking. We own it. And we keep looking for proof.
The Bible is proving itself, evolution is falling apart.
The issue isn’t whether there is bias or not. If we are honest we will admit to having bias, it’s human nature, but that is not the issue here. What has ultimate authority for you, is it science or is it the Bible? Most importantly, what does all the available evidence point to when objectively and honestly scrutinised as best we can manage?
The volume variation is very difficult to listen to it goes from a mumble to a enthusiastic loud question which is tough on your speakers let alone your ears
Very good! Big thank you for your work and God bless you.
This is going to be so good! 🙏
Like flat earth "evidence" is to flat earthers.. 😂
They are a bunch of Liars paid to lie for a living!
Keep up the good work ICR!
Great video
You must know that these - ahem - religious people are really just salesmen. If there weren't sales involved, these charlatans would dump their act in a heartbeat. Even his body language in this video is screaming _"I don't really believe this but I sure hope you do."_
What "good work"?
Not a single piece of "CR" has been accepted by science.
Modern Western laws are NOT based on Christians values, otherwise slavery would still be a moral practice. The Bible assumes slavery is a moral practice and it teaches how to buy, sell & beat the slaves. No Bible verse indicates slavery should be abolished.
@@flashkellish...in this context “work” equals comedy.
It's amazing how delusional this all sounds
There’s an awesome debate you guys should watch. Gideon lazar Vs jimmy akin on is the earth old or young? Both creationists, but one takes a god guided evolutionary old earth and the other Gideon takes the classical view. They both use the best evidences and both did really well! Look for it, I’ll link the video as a reply to this hopefully it doesn’t get deleted. If so just look up jimmy akin vs Gideon lazar
What about the wagon wheel found by miners immersed in coal which could only mean that the wheel would be thousands of millions years old?
coal wasn't formed millions of years ago. Same applies to your wheel in coal whatever. Again humans weren't around 1000s of millions of years ago even with evolution buddy. Come on think before you type out comments.
The evidence is no more, flooded and destroyed.
Then, becaus3 we know a wheel, let alone a wagon wheel, could not be billions (that’s what a thousand million is, by the way, keep that for future) of years old- that a WAGON WHEEL could not be billions of years old in coal- then isn’t the only solution that our theories on how old these things are have to be laughably incorrect?
Think about what you have said. A billion year old wagon wheel logically HAS TO EXIST by our time frames, all because we’re too embarrassed to admit we might have gotten something wrong.
@@toastle8005 Srly? if you like to live in the fairy tale world then logically it has to be but only in that domain. pls go ask a fairy tale expert for your answer. Coal btw doesn't exist for millions of years but has been there for 4500 yrs. Wake pls grab a coffee and accept that fact. Christ Yeshua is the ONLY* Savior. not your fairy tale world which is very soon coming to end near you and far away also. Gday.
Because an animal made the wheel?
Wait, you guys dont believe in dinosaurs either, right! 😂😂
Just found your podcast.
I'll be interested to get to know Y'all.
I've got high hopes.
High in the sky, apple pie hopes ?
As I was listening about the splashing of DNA I started to think, why is it that creatures do not evolve involve into different kinds? Have they discovered what the actual blockade or what is stopping? Creatures from changing from one species to another. I think that would be great proof for creation and would shut down evolution. What is that? Genetic factor do you know? Have they discovered it.
Goos service. Keep trying to wake the sheeple. Each one woken is celebrated in Heaven. Dont despair, watch and pray. Your expectation affects the sentiment ehich turns the tide like a beautiful symphony with Our King as our conductor.
"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool."
Voltaire
We all have religion. But not all of us have a relationship with Christ. He's isn't a religion, but a person.
@@edjo3430 no we do not, atheism is not a religion justr like not collecting stamps is not a hobby
We’re currently in the year 5873 AM based on the Enochian calendar. #QuestionEverything
Brilliant
I do love trolling the zealots of evolutionism in the comments on CZcams. May God bless them and their families
evolutionist? ok.. (assuming that this means someone that actually following scientific method).. we can start referring to creationists as "idiotologists" .. those gullible and unable to fathom/apply scientific theory and science. That should work.
Have you any idea where the information came from that is evident in our DNA and RNA ? Asking for a friend.
@@Robinhim2002 tell your friend that the prevailing scientific consensus supports a combination of abiogenesis, chemical evolution, and natural selection as the primary mechanisms. Research in fields like biochemistry, molecular biology, and astrobiology continues to uncover more details about these processes.
Thousands of years old? There are myths older than that, which the bible borrows from.
About the 16:35 point the Third Way website is mentioned. The website disavows assertions made in this video
“It has come to our attention that THE THIRD WAY web site is wrongly being referenced by proponents of Intelligent Design and creationist ideas as support for their arguments. We intend to make it clear that the website and scientists listed on the web site do not support or subscribe to any proposals that resort to inscrutable divine forces or supernatural intervention, whether they are called Creationism, Intelligent Design, or anything else. ”
It would be very nice if you mention the possibility of the 7500 years for the age of the earth according to a reconstructed chronology using MT and LXX (see Associates for biblical research).
I still remember the stardust theory for the moon. They changed that theory once it showed the Earth wasn't billions of years old.
@@ji8044, no it’s not. YHVH in Christ created everything in 6 days. The earth and everything on it is only 6000 years old, and we are at the end of the age, when Jesus will return and establish His Kingdom on the earth, and rule for the final thousand years, before He creates all things new. Did you even listen to the evidence presented? Obviously you didn’t.
@ji8044 was it always the same size? How did life emerge if the earth's axial tilt was not fixed? Without the moon earth would sway in and out of axial tilt and we would have cataclysmic conditions. Did it grow in size or was it always it's current size and proximity? Like you know.
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Physical reality is consistent with universal laws. Where those laws don't operate, there is no reality. It is said that Jesus walked on water, changed water into wine and raised the dead. These claimed miracles violate the laws of physics and the reality we live in. So we are either living in a reality that does not make sense or the stories about Jesus are wrong.
@gilwg1233 You can't discuss physical reality if you can't show abiogenesis occured / evidence please! And the laws of physics - are they eternal? Did they exist before matter?
@@UserRandJThe origin of life took place about four billion years ago, and it happened at a molecular level - meaning little or no fossil evidence remains. The laws of physics found in text books and that describes our present reality don't require the matter and eternal issues you raised, for them to work.
Agree. Know of a place where I can pick up crab fossils every morning on a beach. 3 million years old apparently?
Perfect crabs no evolving crabs.
Excellent point! 👍
@@nellosnook4454 No it’s not, if a creatures environment doesn’t change, creatures living in that environment don’t need to change. There are many creatures have remained the same for millennia.
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Agree totally
That was an interesting intro about being locked into their preconceptions no matter what the evidence says. Galileo showed us that it’s OK to use evidence from creation to re-interpret or better interpret the Bible. If you use the same interpretation, tools, or principles for genesis one, and Joshua, one, you come up with the earth centered universe. The only the reason we believe the earth goes around the sun is because of the science not because of some new Bible interpretation. So I challenge everyone to be consistent and since the Bible is full of empirical observations, we can’t deny that part, but we can question our interpretation to both both not just one.
Question your view of history. Galileo's proofs are all incorrect, and Gallileo is not Copernicus.
Gallileo, like Antoinette or Columbus, is a very publicly and loudly lied about figure by anti-Christ people.
Ptolemys models were the best for a long time, Christians including the church adopted the Copernican model as proper proofs for it accumulated. This issue touched on theology very little, anti-Christ folks overstate the few 'Scriptural' arguments for Ptlomy when they were mostly an aside even in the Gallileo affair.
The cult of ages is a very old religion, it's tied to the cult of Chaos or time (like the titan Chronos), and it represents a philosophy fundamentally antithetical to classical theism or in fact any concrete notion of truth.
Remember that: when you're talking to a long ager you are almost certainly talking to someone who does not believe in objective truth. Their proofs are mainly bludgens of consensus tied to some actually quite weak hypotheticals. Ages of ages combined with chaos forming the ordered world would not be my #2 beleif about history, it's not even on the plausibility list to me. If not the Christian idea of history then the Vedic cycles or pure existentialism are things worth considering. Chaos into order due to luck proposed by people who don't even believe in truth is not.
They are not scientists, but things using science as a skin-suit. This is why as their ideology grows science has left the places they take over. Since the 90s there has been a massive replication crisis in academia.
This means science is not happening.
I've been there while they fabricate data and spin just so stories about millions of years ago creatures that they know the diet of and the range of and how long it lived from a rather simple looking claw.
It's just lying. It's not evidence in the classical sense.
Their overwhelming evidence is the fact that they get many people, and a lot of powerful people, to lie along with them.
And to them, that IS proof. Because they're relitivists, morals are dictated by the mob, truth is dictated by consensus. The basic philosophy of the Republican, the communist, the revolutionary, the humanist, is that humanity as an abstract is god, therefore humans agreeing is what makes truth.
If you think you're talking to someone sensible in academia or whatever get down to the core of their moral philosophy, which is also their philosophy of truth. And something like this comes out. They can't articulate it cleanly but the functional essence of this is there.
It's anti-Christ. Don't let the numbers of folk on the wide road convince you it's the right direction.
No one needs to be forced to believe in evolution.
Everyone needs to have an open mind.
AN answer to your comment is that people need to go back to the origin of evolution when Charles Lyell mentioned why he came up with evolution: this to deceive Christians with this lie.
If a teacher or scientist suddenly goes inquiring into the possibility that Darwinism didn't happened; he or she would be cancelled instantly
Thanks kind of the point. Satan has made it mandatory for all schools in the USA to teach it to young impressionable kids for 12 years into adulthood. 16 years if they continue into college. As parents that have to work. They aren't left with too many choices because they both work most likely so neither can home school and Christian private schools are too expensive also.
Before I turned to Christ, I was led astray with this idea that death has always been and that there was no reason to need a savior because the story I was told in school said that death had always been and man was born into a world that was full of death already. But later into my years I came face to face with pure evil. But then I prayed and Jesus showed up. He didn't say anything but he didn't have to from there. I tried to look up the truth myself. What makes it worse is that I grew up with my grandma who took me to a Baptist Church all throughout high school and middle school. But like I said, we're only in church for 1 hour a week. Whereas we're in a school 5 days, 8 hours a day being taught whatever the state wants to teach the kids. 40 hours versus 1 hour makes it really hard to learn the truth when you only get about 1/40th of the time for truth in a week.
If your mind is too open, people put rubbish in it, like ID And creationism.
Changing world view is nearly impossible.
Trust the science while moving at the speed of science
As to the comment about professors and scientists on college campuses not being able to acknowledge creationism, one reason may not be that they have their religion as evolutionists, but rather also because if they did confess, "I was wrong," is that their living comes from being an evolutionist in their profession as a scientist or professor. It's a simple matter of "I pay my mortgage by being an evolutionist!" Thought?
pride, when cats pride belongs in kitty litter box.
On the other hand, if they successfully _disproved_ the theory of evolution, they'd not only have more money than they knew what to do with, they would achieve historical immortality. They'd become more famous than Darwin!
The indoctrination starts very early and is very strong in secular education. Not to mention entertainment industry.
From Pre-K to Senior High, and every college class where the indoctrination can be fit in to class discussion and materials.
I’ve seen it first hand in my own life and continue to see it.
I once had a professor say in class that heliocentrism “proved God wrong”.
And then went on to commit multiple logical fallacies when it was discussed.
I also had a believing OT history instructor boldly say that she was fine with the Bible being allegorical in many points.
Churches are much richer than scientists. What evidence do you know of that refutes any part of The Theory of Evolution?
Bringing creation science onto the college campus would be about as destructive as bringing Biblical theology into a seminary (cemetery?) Creation science and Biblical teaching belong in the local church. I was raised with the evolutionary theory from an early age. Despite that, nature itself and an open mind taught me to keep searching. Seek and ye shall find…
The larger Dino's would not be able to breathe (and in some cases not even be able to lift their heads) because too much has changed in the atmosphere, magnetic poles etc.
The guest is even smarter than we think, i'm just saying.
So how does a young earth create ancient fossils.
Imagine living on a world where some people want to advance society and learn more, produce increasingly powerful tools and technology to do so, while there are others who want to live in the stone age through the power of confirmation bias.
You seem to be talking about advancement of society by intelligent forces and not miraculous accidents over a series of time producing then integrating complicated eyeballs, ears, brains, nerves, heart and vascular, bones, muscles, digestive organs, pulmonary function, equilibrium etc all apart from external intervention. These biological organs and functions are present in most species to varying degrees and yet no explanation of origin, integration or advancement. In other words, no evidence. Evolution is absolute nonsense.
And yet we can’t even figure out how the pyramids were constructed with so much precision. Evolutionary theory has nothing to do with scientific advancement; it is nothing more than a religious belief based on faulty premises in order to remove God as Creator.
@@Imjustsayin99Where did you learn about this God? Someone told you right?
It is amazing that we can use technology, the results of the scientific process, to discuss this.
And that if you get sick you trust a doctor to heal you. You probably also drive a car.
None of these things was possible or understood in the bronze ages when the source of your religion developed. You seem to want to go back to that time.
And yes. We know how the pyramids were built, and when.
@@terbospeed God confounded men’s languages to prevent Nimrod from building a tower to heaven.
To be fair, the Mayans and Egyptians had to be good architects to make what they did, and they were still religious.
Given there are different types of intelligence, then a comparison of one's understanding of one subject to another isn't justified.
Institute of creation research??????.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!... phew... Im cracking UP myself here, Well.... I'm waiting for those awesome Nobel prizes.
The Nobel Committee are clear that No "Bull" is permitted.
As far as "soft tissue" proving the age of anything, there's a thing called preservation that can occur naturally in a myriad of ways.
What about the PreAdamic wotld between Gen 1: 1 ?
true you are correct, the pre-adamic period between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 did exist
There are a number of scriptures that lead to that conclusion. Man's history is only 6000 years but the earth is very old. You can't select a few scriptures and leave out others and say this few tell the whole story. Over 31000 verses and all are necessary, God would not have included them if they were invalid.
some 30+ years ago I attended BrierCrest Bible College where I watched a video put out by ICR. it was amazing and opened my eyes as a new believer ! Thank you for all your years of service !
I have to ask about the "degeneration" as they call it... you say the data is based on evolution, but have they queried with the same data based on creation. I ask if we are, according to scientists, living longer and are healthier than our predecessors, how does that equate to degenerating ?
Just go and walk through a cemetery. Look at head stones. We don't live any longer. It's a skewed analysis because more people make it to old age. We have an easier life, better meds. But the old people in those days still lived 80 to 90. I do it every old cemetery I find. Don't take my word for it, go look.
Not to mention we don't live as long as the old ones in the bible
@@joshuajoseph6132 what evidence do we have that the "people" in the bible "lived longer"? How did they do it? Was it the Middle Eastern diet, was it the healthcare, was it the sanitation and improved knowledge of personal hygiene based on germ theory?
@@michaelrobinson1059 and those represent the ones lucky enough to have the money to pay for expensive headstones. Now go and find some mass paupers graves...
If you had enough fragmented DNA from a single dinosaur, you could maybe sequence it with as much DNA as possible, until you started to find repetition of the code enough to put it together. Like if you had a bunch of shredded up bibles, with a few chunks here and there, if you had enough chunks, you could maybe piece together the whole Bible. Guess it depends on just how fragmented it is.
It sounds like that’s the point though, that the current samples of Dino DNA are too degraded, fragmented and incomplete to piece it together into any sort of completeness.
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