Is the NEW ERA of Games Workshop Paints Good? | Models and Memories Weekly #65
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- čas přidán 16. 06. 2022
- In this episode of Model and Memories Jay talks about the new model he bought this week, what he thinks of the Star Wars Legion Battleforces and the new Games Workshop Paints. We have new videos every Monday, Wednesday and Friday! We're streaming Monday-Saturday starting at 9PM CST!! JOIN USSSS! Thanks for watching!
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All GW need to do is launch the dropper bottles as a “pro” line and repackage their air paints line. GW are pretty committed to pots since it’s pretty beginner friendly but if they added a line for seasoned painters then they can dip their toes in both markets and not tank the value of their pots.
You know damn well we would pay twice as much for a dropper bottle
As a beginner I transferred all my most used paints to dropper bottles
How TF are pots "beginner" friendly?
@@oblivionfan345Tony probably because beginners just go straight from the pot to the model
@@FYAjibber000 maybe 20 years ago. But just a modicum of research and you know the first rule of hobby painting "thin your paints."
I've got old hex bottles from citadel that are still all good, and honestly I've done very little to take care of them, I put a couple of small screws in them to act as agitataors and when some of them got a bit thick I added a couple of drops of water then held them onto my back massager (don't waste money on a paint shaker, get a back massager, it does the same job but can also sort ya back out after a hard days painting) .
It works better if you shove the bottles and the massager up your arse too, smaller area for agitation
My experience has been that the old hex pots work much better than the newer round pots. None of my hex pots have ever gone bad, but several of my newer pots have died an early death.
@@willmendoza8498 pretty much the same here, had tons of the new pots dry up, but my old ones run out way before they go rubbish.
The pale grey shade is one I'm looking for, as the primary colour of two of my armies is white and I've always struggled with shading white without it looking garbage.
That briar queen contrast looks like it'll be the next Skeleton Horde, which is my favourite contrast by far.
The Legion Battleforces are called starter sets, since they give you everything to use a battleforce, which is going to be a new rule where if you have some specific units and leaders you get bonus rules.
The current GW paint pots are a step backwards. I have a set of Citadel Inks I bought in 1989 that are still in great condition. With the current pots I always get build up around the lid from small amounts of spillage.
Nothing better than 90s tall hex pots. Except dropper bottles.
You look so happy when you talk about the stuff you love and the glimm in your eyes. Keep it.going!
20:00 just in case you're here just for the paints like me
Hey Jay. An idea for your spaceship imperfections, instead of fixing the flaws turn it into battle damage. Would be a cool theme with a cool story.
I second that idea. I feel less stress when i build a random sci-fi model because I can embrace the flaws and I obsess over fixing the flaws when I build aircraft models.
About 10 years ago I had a dropper bottle of Vallejo plastic putty, the top clogged because I left it open for too long.
Trying to unclog it, instead of doing the smart thing and poking a pin in, I thought “if I push the hard bit back in, then it’ll have lumps!”
So I squeezed it as hard as I could like the little dingus that I was.
There is still the remnants of the resultant explosion on my parents ceiling.
Paint pots are fine. I even have a video on my channel made specifically to show that they can be used as droppers. I also live far enough north to experience almost every version of harsh weather there is and haven't had any issues with losing paint that isn't already garbage from the store (looking at you, Corax White).
I'm really hyped for Mortarion Grime, I mix up a colour for all my 30k death guard that's almost exactly the same, excited to see what the new formula of washes is about though
I might try that black-orange one on the Kill Team Octarius terrain. I was trying to think of cool things with Rustoleum cans, but that GW one might do everything I care to do for rusty ork scrap.
Dropzone commander is an amazing game. I don't (currently) play dropfleet as I play X-wing, which scratches my space itch.
Dropzone is an amazing scale and is cheap to get into. Nothing cooler than dropping a building on your opponent or quickly picking up a unit and reorganising the battle field. REALLY recommend. I play 40k too but something special about Dropzone!
AMG should put you on the payroll. Your enthusiasm makes me want to work on my SW Legion pile of shame.
I asked my story guy for paint help and he is a total nerd himself. Painting for 20 years and he could give me perfect advice for colours. I didnt expect him to know so much but he does!
And i think the pots for the standard layer paints suck ass cuz they will always get messy in the back of lid, which then leads them to dry out since you cannot close them properly anymore. BUT for contrast or washes those work fine!
Warhipster does some great videos demonstrating how the contrasts look over different base coats. He’s going to do the same once the new colours are released. We’ll worth checking out.
Those vids are nice dont get me wrong but we dont use it that way. As an all over coat. You paint parts different colors. I feel its a better demo seeing them in concert.
You know what? I just can't keep up with the length of Jay's hair anymore! Anyways...Great to see Deadzone and Legion featured on the show. Very exciting!
I'm honestly surprised GW doesn't make dropper bottle transfer kits...seems like something they would do, "for a low low price of 49.99 we sell you 10 empty bottle and a plastic funnel with a sticker sheet for a label"
Contrasts (on top of scale75 layers) have been my workhorse paint since they launched. I made a handful of my own blends with them to suit some needs. There are several new ones that I'm hyped to use. Most paint lines have a ton of representation with blues and greens tho, so that's nothing new. Orange and yellow don't have as much of a range to play in because they'll start being perceived as brown when you get dark.
Personally I like the more pale contrast colors because when contrast paints get too opaque, it becomes easier to just use a normal paint to achieve similar results and you never risk pigment pooling in unwanted areas.
THough, like when those paints first launched, the marketing was a bit overbaked. There's a sweet spot with marketing because you do need to generate interest and hype up the product. Blow too much smoke and it makes you seem suspicious. With this product there's nothing to be suspicious about (except maybe the new wash formula, of which I'm sure they won't ever elaborate on so it may as well be meaningless buzzwords) because contrast paints are now a staple product.
Dropfleet is super fun and does some really unique things for wargaming, specifically the variable range based on your heat/signature (doing cool stuff adds heat which increases the range of enemy weapons) plus capturing sectors - shepherding dropships to a location and securing the space above them is huge and feels way different from dudes-on the-ground and other space games (armada, halo fleet battles, firestorm armada, bfg, etc)
I've been loving the GW contrast paints like you said they have there time and place but they are beautiful for glazing or using as coloured washes.
Dropfleet commander rocks, I love the lore and the game mechanics are easy to pick up and super enjoyable
playing dropleet with my local group atm, its a smallish community but its growing, its a good system and it is growing
I think the reason for the ARC/Clone distribution is because Battle Forces introduce new rules to list building to be more thematic. In this example, you would normally need a minimum of 3 Core Clone Trooper units in a list, but with the 501st BF you can forgo one of them to make room for an extra squad of Special Forces (the ARCs). I also agree that including the Core set commanders was dumb, and they should have at least provided alternate sculpts for them.
I think the big thing that might have been missed around the mid tone colours is the coverage, contrasts are typically difficult to get good coverage over a flat surface and the models they showed barely look painted, it almost looks like the plastic is coloured rather than painted. If that's something that is easy to do with these new colours I think it'll be big
Yes, these are actually (somewhat of a contradiction in terms) 'flat' contrast paints. From what I understand they're supposed to have a formulation which reduces the amount of uneven, patchy coverage that current contrast paints have on flat surfaces like space marine armor and vehicle panels.
Oh my gooood he got a dropfleet commander model.
You can find more info on the community discord, but the basic gist is you are trying to deploy troops onto cities or space stations over a planetary body, with the game focusing on defending and deploying your troops hips effectively while destroying and disrupting the enemy attempts to do the same. Range is infinite as projectiles aren't slowed down in a vacuum (except shooting into atmosphere which requires special weapons)
Range is limited by the sensors of the firing ship plus any ongoing effects increasing the detectability of the target, be it scanning for the enemy, the enemy going weapons free, or performing more advanced movement. It's super interesting, but due to a tiny community its best to get into it with a friend.
Dropfleet was written by Andy Chambers, who also created Battlefleet Gothic.
I much prefer BFG as a game, but Dropfleet isn't bad and the models look great.
As far as Star Wars Legion goes, it looks like if you buy one of these starter sets and the Star Wars Legion: Essentials Kit, you'll have pretty much everything you need to play (dice, tokens, cards, etc....). While that may cost a little more than just buying a starter set, you get way more for the faction you want to play and is probably a better deal for someone entering the game who already has access to other players who already have their own forces and probably don't need more stuff from a starter box.
Now if you want a real Legion painting challenge, you've got to get Sabine Wren. Her armor not only has a colorful paint job, it changed several times through the series (Star Wars: Rebels). And she can be joined by the members of Clan Wren to give your rebels some Mandalorian assistance.
Video title should be : „lets talk about star wars for 20 minutes plus a citadel paint footnote“
love this show keep it up guys 😀. are you guys going to do anything with the horus heresy. keep the good work up guys
Great stuff friend 👏 👍
Funnily enough, I run all my paints through the vortex mixer whenever I get bored. I have GW, Vallejo and Turbo Dork and haven't had any issues with paint drying out. Save a 2nd hand pot of Corex White that wasn't fully sealed
I was hoping that the paints would be like neons or maybe a few glow in the dark ones, because that would have been really cool.
HOLY CRAP... Dropfleet and Dropzone on a semi-famous channel. Listen my friend... the -dream- of the Dropfleet/Dropzone game is that it is preset to play as linked games. Both games are amazing and very objective focused, and there are rules for linked games in a flow chart type campaign. The space ship game scratches that BFG itch, and BOTH games are alternating activation games. The DropNOUN Commander games are extremely good, and I would recommend the starter sets for either. They are cheap, easy to paint up, and give you a very good feeling of generally how the game plays. Lastly... it uses terrain of a similar scale to Battletech and Titanicus... so you have an excuse to collect some 10mm terrain. :D
All that hype for some new contrast paints! I guess the army painter speed paints scared them.
The ork skin process that i use that newish Orruk Flesh as a base for makes me so happy. Beats the absolute hell out of the tragedy that is Plaguebearer Flesh.
Spaceships...at every age awesome!
I loved Dropzone Commander. I have a decent sized UCM force, but it never took off here.
The Nob box came in that Ork Start collecting box as well.
The Resistance faction in Dropfleet is neat, because you can customize the ships out of the box.
Nuln oil, agrax earthshade, and seraphim sepia are my must have shades.
I have a large PHR fleet, all the rules….never played a game though. Love the aesthetic and lore for the drop universe. Have played 1 game of dropzone…
The Regal contrast line is an oddball, but if it gets me that bright of a yellow in one coat then I’m all for it. I think it will work better as a starter base coat for further shading/highlighting.
never thought about the whole stockage of paint pots...good point.
Their hex paints are still good, I was able to recover one with a tiny bit of medium. I had to replace a lot of my Citadel paints from the more modern pots though, and not just because I knocked over one or two. They just dry too quickly and the lids are very insufficient to keep them in a good condition. I have over a hundred paint vials/bottles/pods, and I find the other containers maintain color and consistency way better. I mostly use Army Painter and Vallejo these days. Citadel pigment has improved, but I still find the pigments from other companies more pleasing to the eye if I can notice any difference at all. I've had to toss out several Citadel paints after a year or two of not using it, probably lost more money in paint from them than I actually used.
note: I live in a desert. It's dry and hot here, or dry and freezing. No real in between.
Mortarians Grime, Kroak Green and Soulblight I will get 100%. Just for ease of use for the effect it gives.
I notice the new shades are in the medium-sized pots like Contrast paint, not the current large-sized shade pots. So . . . I guess we’ll have less Nuln Oil to accidentally knock over in the future.
I have no clue how the rich and regal contrast paints are not in their basecoat range... they provide nearly no contrast ... but as a basecoat? Brilliant.
In general, I agree that the pots are fine. A little care to make sure they are sealed well when closed and that paint isn't glopped in the rim and the paint stays good. I have never had a pot of paint go bad on me. However, I do think that GW Air paints should be in droppers. Moving a drop of paint to your palette is one thing but transferring a bunch to your airbrush is another. I guess that's why I don't use their air paints in my airbrush and stick to air primers and inks.
My main issue with GW pots is needing to dip a brush into the pot to get paint out. Maybe there is som technique to it I haven’t grasped, but for me it doubes the rinsing I need to do and I feel like I need to change water constantly
Garaghak's Sewer is a Contrast version of Burnt Umber, not black, although I can see why you would think that. It is impressive for your rusty rigs, though.It does look awesome.
I do like the look of that Sigvald Burgundy, might put it on some Emperor's Children chaos marines
The wing coming off scared me shitless ngl
I am actually looking forward to the new shades. For shades and washes I prefer the GW pods. With droppers I usually always spill too few or too much onto a pallet.
A few years ago I bought the starterset for Dropfleet Commander and painted most of it up. Then I tried to play the game with my brother and we just couldn't figure it out. It feels way too overcomplicated and the rules are written in a very odd way, making them very hard to follow. After like an hour we gave up and I put the game in a shelf and it has remained there ever since.
I really liked painting the scourge ships though and the lore seemed very grounded and interesting.
Deadzone is a lot of fun. The terrain is really cool too.
Evolution taught us to differ a lot of green and blue hues. I think when we see a green\blue color we will know if this is the color we like or not
I'd probably get into Star Wars Legion if it had Kyle Katarn. As for the paints, I'm mostly just interested in the burgundy, purple, and magenta contrasts and the light grey shade.
Legion is super fun, you should give it a try
I love how skeleton hoard over rakarth flesh looks for bones, makes them look like real life bones.
Yeah for Deadzone Jay!
Not a fan of most GW official apps, but the color one is great for seeing what exactly colors look like on a model.
Just speculating here but maybe the last three new shades on that list (the greyish ones) could be for the new squat models? iirc a lot of them seem to feature white to blueish grey armour panelling etc and maybe GW want to make sure these new models are beginner friendly by providing easier options for white armour than glazing. Also I wonder how much GW consider paints to suit other model ranges such as star wars legion when deciding new colours.
You should start a battle report channel for all the games you play
Seen some ornithopter models from dune and really wanted to get it just so I can cruise it around
The owner of my FLGS loves the GW paint pots and does not like dripper bottles. Dude tho thins his paint in the pot and painting right from the pot. Been doing it sense I met him 20+ years ago.
WHAT
MANTIS WARRIORS GREEN
THEY REMEMBERED!!!!
hey jay you were a big inspiration for me to get into warhammer. After playing some video games and familiarizing my self with some lore I'm ready to try the table top. I would love to get your opinion on some good starting factions for newbies painting and play wise
Pick the faction you think look the coolest, the rest will follow
Drop fleet is battle fleet gothic perfected . It was originally by hawk war games which was like 3 blokes and warehouse. The was a million dollar Kickstarter and increased demand. And fulfilling the KS was really taxing and burned out. So they sold to TT combat and left a he logistics to someone else. Very fun game I’m a PHR player myself. DUST 1947 is anther grid games that’s amazing. But out of print.
Hey Jay! Have you ever planned to play gaslands? I think you're gonna like it, a break from infantry based skirmish games
Don't glue the wheels, way more fun to play with (as toys) when they still roll. For gaming stick a small ball of blu tac or similar to the bottom of the car and that will stop them moving when you don't want them to.
Mantis Warrior Green. Are we going back to Badab? Probably just nostalgia bait.
At 1.25 speed, the opening sounds like a FF fight theme. That is all.
EDIT: That is NOT all, GW pots have always been fine for me, AS LONG AS I MAKE SURE THEY ARE ACTUALLY CLOSED! I do occasionally transfer them into droppers, but only if I'm mixing up a batch for airbrush use.
I always look at the alien dropfleet ships. They look so cool, but what a nightmare to paint.
You should try Star Wars armada it’s a great spaceship game, and it’s made by the same guys as legion, and x-wing. It’s great.
Or they could sell a "Mechanicus rearticulator" kit that lets you move paints from a pot to a dropper bottle.
At some point I'll have to grab the Clone Wars Core set (always preferred Droids vs Clones as opposed to Empire vs Rebels). May even grab the Separatist battle box as I like my Roger Roger droids XD...the tank is also pretty sweet. However...this is a ways off as I'm currently working on 8+ armies (I have a problem), and am running out of space.
I was amazed at the number of pieces those droids come in for such small models
I’m really interested in the green as well for ork skin
Also hear me out dropper bottle tops that’s go on gw paint pots like you just throw the lid and replace it with a dropper that pushes on
Cool idea however I think because the gw paint pots are a more rigid plastic and different shape than for example army painter you wouldn't be able to squeeze them to help get the paint out which could be a problem especially when the paint was low 👎
Listen to RSID you must. Know what talking about he does. Transfer paint to new bottle you will.
Snakebite leather is sick
Deadzone has been my #1 game for months now!
kinda want to use an AAT as a tau hammerhead proxy
Yes more legion content!
Have you ever played Marvel Crisis Protocol before? Been getting into that recently and I really enjoy the gameplay.
Why d8 and not d10 ? d10 is easier to convert to %, 4+ result over a d6 and it's still manageable to use many of them at same time.
Anakin SkyPODer. No one caught that?
I'm not sure this is the paint reveal the trailer was for, the trailer says July. It could be but that'd be a weird thing to put in it only to release a day or so after.
Space ships, have you heard of Jovian Wars? It's anime inspired like Gundam but tabletop
Since you like Star Wars legion and like space battles you should check out Star Wars armada it’s a really fun game
Get rid of those gosh darn pots and price them equivalent to Vallejo and other paints and they'd be great. It still amazes me that they get away with giving you less paint per oz. AND selling them in those awful containers. I haven't had them dry up on me, I just hate the lids and how easy they are to spill with a passion. I nevertheless STILL bought a few to supplement the Vallejo I have. Love Leadbelcher and Nuln oil.
I think this is the first vid I’ve ever seen of someone liking GW white 🤔
so the battleforces are actually new rules that change what you can take into the game so the droids gain 8 core units compared to the none battleforce army
I just have no idea when I’d ever play Legion. I sold all my stuff because I was an original buy in player but didn’t play for over a year and I don’t have the time for all the game systems.
That, and I don’t trust AMG to not ruin it like they ruined xwing.
Do u know about “burrows and baggers”?
D10 is always a great die for war games.
lol it’s “rage-shade” my guy
I think the grey wash is meant to shade white panels... Maybe?🤷♂️
Yay Dropfleet :D
Ink recommendations?
It’s an evolution!
You overthink naming a starter box how I overthink my game having a single pixel off
Look into mantic firefight.
Don't forget ... Corax White was the worst spray in existence. Fingers crossed the whiter white is also less grainy!