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  • @PIRATEKINGDOM
    @PIRATEKINGDOM  Před 2 lety +515

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    Just adding some thoughts here. Some of it r obviously exaggerated somewhat; however, taxes are real. Rent is slightly exaggerated becuz u can choose to live in a cheaper place. U have a choice on how much u contribute to 401k too, but many people maximize it when their employers match. U obviously have control over the type of car u get as well. I guess my point is that a Software Engineer’s life with a six-figure salary isn’t as luxurious as many people think; it’s not bad, but it’s definitely not abundant either. And as many pointed out, wait til u get married + children in a place where shitty run-down homes cost more than several times your entire compensation combined PRE-tax shrug 🤷
    P.S. Companies will adjust your compensation according to the cost of living in the area you live. In other words, working remotely in a different state/country will not get you the same salary nor guarantee more dollars in your pocket; it’s not as simple as that.
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    • @darkgray7160
      @darkgray7160 Před 2 lety +4

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    • @ackmanx
      @ackmanx Před 2 lety +5

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    • @daves.software
      @daves.software Před 2 lety

      I'm a software engineer in the midwest, where the cost of living is a lot lower. Before I paid off my house, my mortgage payment was about $1000/month. My utilities were around $400/month, and groceries/eating out was around $500/month. So a software engineering job paying $120K in the mid-west ends up looking something like:
      10,000.00+ salary
      2,500.00- taxes
      1,000.00- mortgage
      1,700.00- 401K
      500.00- car loan
      400.00- student loan
      400.00- utilities
      500.00- groceries, eating out, etc.
      Remaining balance: $3000
      Though to be honest, $120K in the midwest is a mid to senior level salary, so if you're starting out you're probably looking at something more like:
      7,000.00+ salary
      1,100.00- taxes
      1,000.00- mortgage
      1,700.00- 401K
      500.00- car loan
      400.00- student loan
      400.00- utilities
      500.00- groceries, eating out, etc.
      Remaining Balance: $1400

    • @MyBinaryLife
      @MyBinaryLife Před 2 lety +5

      "it’s not bad, but it’s definitely not abundant either." not for you because you waste all your money.

    • @PIRATEKINGDOM
      @PIRATEKINGDOM  Před 2 lety +3

      @@MyBinaryLife that’s not me tho lol

  • @dancingshade5344
    @dancingshade5344 Před 2 lety +17715

    The fact that there is still 1000 left over after all expenses still means you are doing pretty well

    • @mattweger437
      @mattweger437 Před 2 lety +1142

      Yeah, except for the fact you'll never own a house and are virtually uncovered in the event of any major emergency.

    • @mattweger437
      @mattweger437 Před 2 lety

      Literally fuck this

    • @mattweger437
      @mattweger437 Před 2 lety +1

      I'm 95% of the way to buying a home Depot shack and putting it on 40 acres of woodland with a bunch of fluffy chickens. Society can go fuck itself

    • @mattweger437
      @mattweger437 Před 2 lety +359

      In my area housing has gone up 37 times since 1980 (on a virtually unchanged house). Which means at 120k a year I'm making minimum wage in real estate terms. Talk about shadow stats

    • @mattweger437
      @mattweger437 Před 2 lety +257

      Legit mag dumping the next boomer to call me privileged

  • @zhihangzhou7141
    @zhihangzhou7141 Před 2 lety +18797

    As a programmer, if you work hard enough you can’t live over 60.

    • @geekmors3222
      @geekmors3222 Před 2 lety +352

      My thoughts exactly. XD

    • @dqwdadsd9950
      @dqwdadsd9950 Před 2 lety +361

      I would probably died before use that money

    • @hannesRSA
      @hannesRSA Před 2 lety +373

      Damn. Guess I'll just have to continue in slavery till 60 so my kids can get some pocket money.

    • @dalagamble3164
      @dalagamble3164 Před 2 lety +34

      Why is that?

    • @Devinfrbs
      @Devinfrbs Před 2 lety +542

      ​@@dalagamble3164 Sitting all day, eating unhealthy to get more work in since it's a mentally demanding job which is often helped by sugar and caffeine, and it's also high stress especially if you handle customer requirements directly.
      Heart attacks are significantly higher than average among software engineers.

  • @WardofSquid
    @WardofSquid Před rokem +1116

    This video needs to be played at *EVERY high school and Freshman College class* . Learning how money works & the horrors of living independenly is something we ALL wish we prepped better for

    • @captaiawesome2260
      @captaiawesome2260 Před rokem +17

      True, but I would add a lot of emphasis on the importance of saving for retirement (as having no savings will lead to a terrible death), purchasing an economical used car instead of leasing a new one, and saving to eventually purchase a house. Ownership of your house and car while saving for retirement greatly compounds your liquid assets for your future. Money spent paying back loans or rent is giving away money that you will never see again.

    • @weeeeehhhhh
      @weeeeehhhhh Před rokem +8

      @@captaiawesome2260 it's tried and tested all over the western world. Pay off high interest rate loans quickly (or don't get them in the first place), buy property to live in, and save early for retirement.
      Your 20s and 30s is generally when you have the most disposable income, before kids and spouses soak it up.

    • @Andrew-ig5sp
      @Andrew-ig5sp Před rokem

      @@captaiawesome2260 retirement date is a factor or savings rate. 64% savings piled into investments and you’ll be free in a very short time.
      And forget the 401k stack up condo or townhome rentals and don’t fear trading them up over the years and before any significant repairs or HOA assessments.
      Rentals immediately boost your income and are inflation proof. It also leads you to commercial real estate. Buying in very densely populated areas.

    • @user-xs5dp4gw8e
      @user-xs5dp4gw8e Před rokem

      Do I hear a call for Mr Money Mustache

    • @GardenStateDigital
      @GardenStateDigital Před rokem

      LOL - they have no IDEA

  • @sonofatlas1372
    @sonofatlas1372 Před 2 lety +861

    As a former mechanical engineer at Microsoft being paid 70k for two years experience for solving complex problems in Chicago I definitely understand this 😭

    • @chef_rg.2
      @chef_rg.2 Před 2 lety +23

      Did you quit software to become a trucker driver?>>> TruckerLee???

    • @sonofatlas1372
      @sonofatlas1372 Před 2 lety +50

      @@chef_rg.2 yes sir I’m a heavy hauler

    • @chef_rg.2
      @chef_rg.2 Před 2 lety +40

      @@sonofatlas1372 that's funny, because I'm thinking of doing the opposite, from truck driver to developer

    • @sonofatlas1372
      @sonofatlas1372 Před 2 lety +39

      @@chef_rg.2 nothing wrong with that man if I were you I’d go computer science first it’ll break it down better before jumping into the material coding will be awesome.

    • @chef_rg.2
      @chef_rg.2 Před 2 lety +5

      @@sonofatlas1372 Kool.... 👍🏾👍🏾 I'll look into that, thanks

  • @collegeinvestor7095
    @collegeinvestor7095 Před 2 lety +9821

    This is why remote work is a blessing.
    Example: Seattle salary, but Kentucky cost of living!

    • @danszr64
      @danszr64 Před 2 lety +2502

      But then you have to live in kentucky

    • @Dreamwriter4242
      @Dreamwriter4242 Před 2 lety +1056

      Many companies will pay remote workers the market rate for where you live. So if you live in Kentucky, you won't get that swanky Seattle salary :)

    • @collegeinvestor7095
      @collegeinvestor7095 Před 2 lety +1043

      @@Dreamwriter4242 that’s not a company I wanna work for 😀

    • @aldrinmathew
      @aldrinmathew Před 2 lety +343

      ​@@collegeinvestor7095 Almost no established company will pay you Seattle salary if you are working remotely. They will pay an alright or good Kentucky salary. If you don't want to work for such companies, then all you are left with are companies that were born very recently, and founders of some of those companies might be against inequity in pay, but can't spare much anyway because they are startups with very little financial backup.

    • @antonfranzen696
      @antonfranzen696 Před 2 lety +260

      @@aldrinmathew lol no, if you are a top developer you are the boss mate, you can work remote and get a top salary.

  • @GroteGlon
    @GroteGlon Před 2 lety +7412

    Dude. After all expenses and while living in Seattle with a maxed out 401k you have over 1k left a month. You're doing fucking great.

    • @Rezenbekk
      @Rezenbekk Před 2 lety +458

      He also counts it AFTER eating out (and, I assume, some other entertainment). The dude lives in a nice place, has ALL his expenses and debts covered, and is left with quite a sum to do whatever with each month.

    • @rcmag13
      @rcmag13 Před 2 lety +5

      lol!

    • @kingwarrior5028
      @kingwarrior5028 Před 2 lety +122

      Until a major health issue comes up

    • @theendurance
      @theendurance Před 2 lety +314

      @@kingwarrior5028 nonsense, software engineers get some of the best health insurance

    • @darellarocho5729
      @darellarocho5729 Před 2 lety +20

      @@theendurance True this

  • @unclepauley8904
    @unclepauley8904 Před 2 lety +32

    The "Welcome to Seattle" really hit hard lol. Thanfully I am fully remote now and moving somewhere else!

    • @PIRATEKINGDOM
      @PIRATEKINGDOM  Před 2 lety +2

      Nice!

    • @staybased9320
      @staybased9320 Před 7 měsíci

      Seattle and Bay area are the only 2 known places for high income in the tech industry. The only difference is that there's no income tax in Washington and overall tax rates are lower compared to California. Houses are also cheaper compared to California

  • @KaungPyaeSoneAung123
    @KaungPyaeSoneAung123 Před rokem +290

    As a programmer from a 3rd world country who is working at a local company, $300 is what you get as a salary and around 5 to 10 dollars is what you left with every month if you spent less. Seriously, the more I grew up, the more I wish to be born in a better country.

    • @rayyy1027
      @rayyy1027 Před rokem

      Where do you live?

    • @KaungPyaeSoneAung123
      @KaungPyaeSoneAung123 Před rokem +19

      @@rayyy1027 Myanmar. Very hard to make a living with Software Development

    • @rayyy1027
      @rayyy1027 Před rokem +6

      @@KaungPyaeSoneAung123 stay strong and do your best, Myanmar is developping and may become powerful soon. It's a bit similar in Algeria 🇩🇿 (500$, rarely more) but i success to go in France where salary are way higher (at least 2500$ for a software engineer)

    • @KaungPyaeSoneAung123
      @KaungPyaeSoneAung123 Před rokem +3

      @@rayyy1027 Did you learn french. I'm also planning to move to Thailand. Doing remote is not okay since they would offer you only half of what they usually pay

    • @pankhayanpyar
      @pankhayanpyar Před rokem +1

      Hello fellow Burman. Good luck escaping.

  • @learnMax
    @learnMax Před 2 lety +4507

    Now imagine you had a job making way less than 120K/yr and no stock based compensation.

    • @billybob7177
      @billybob7177 Před 2 lety +585

      Literally, if software developers aren’t happy, think about people who actually do work that pays 1/3 what was talked about here.

    • @mesh475
      @mesh475 Před 2 lety +190

      @@billybob7177 Let us complain from our privilage

    • @none23517
      @none23517 Před 2 lety +86

      I get less than 120K and no stocks but in Maryland so much cheaper than Seattle so balances out lol

    • @waffles87
      @waffles87 Před 2 lety +59

      Imagine not living in Seattle or having a $500 car payment

    • @TheDestineyAngel
      @TheDestineyAngel Před 2 lety +46

      He didn’t even include car insurance. It could be 600 a month in some places *cries in nyc*

  • @KyrieFluffins
    @KyrieFluffins Před 2 lety +2760

    Damn. Alexa explained RSU break down better than actual companies 😂. Love all the little details in the background of the video!

    • @michaeldu9983
      @michaeldu9983 Před 2 lety

      Actual companies won't explain RSU to you cause the truth is ugly. And no one want you to know the truth lol

    • @herropreaseherro7870
      @herropreaseherro7870 Před 2 lety +12

      News flash, Alexa works for amazon

    • @Akatsuki1289
      @Akatsuki1289 Před 2 lety

      Big reason why I like ISOs. You put money in to buy the shares --> not much else to it. RSUs --> gets more complicated with your income tax.

    • @gaganb
      @gaganb Před 2 lety +4

      @@herropreaseherro7870 Which ironically has the worst RSU vesting schedule where you don't see any of your stock until the 3rd and 4th year.

    • @hunter98764
      @hunter98764 Před 2 lety +5

      The RSU breakdown was a bit misleading, most firms will have a 1 year cliff so you get nothing until your 2nd year (the graphs on the screen actually showed that). So ironically this offer that had Y1 vesting is actually *really good*!
      Source: ex-FANG employee :)

  • @Reason_over_Dogma
    @Reason_over_Dogma Před 2 lety +4

    This video was very informative. I appreciate the content. Real eye opener for me.

  • @777Revolutionary
    @777Revolutionary Před rokem +1

    I really felt this one bruh. Great vid

  • @ThatManMelvin
    @ThatManMelvin Před 2 lety +3082

    This is not software engineer salary. This is American cost of living.

    • @TheLuxorProductions
      @TheLuxorProductions Před 2 lety +90

      How can you not find a place less than 3 grand a month to live in lol

    • @namelikeanyother885
      @namelikeanyother885 Před 2 lety +109

      SE salary in Europe is like ~40-60k year.
      Cost of living in big cities is only slightly lower.
      Taxes are near 50%
      Lots of things, such as cars and electronics are actually more expensive.

    • @thenamesjohny1490
      @thenamesjohny1490 Před 2 lety +72

      If you can become smart enough to become a software engineer you should also have the smarts to look at literally any house around 30min away from any major city and you will get nice housing. I live 40 min from Chicago on 0.4 acres 3 bedroom 2 bath for 234,0000 at around 1500 monthly payment. Move a couple hours further away from here for the same price you can get a slightly bigger house on 5 acres with an absolutely huge metal garage you can run a business out of with 2 ponds in your yard.

    • @seuduxi6807
      @seuduxi6807 Před 2 lety +32

      @@TheLuxorProductions 4 bedroom house and u only have to pay 500€ a month in italy its where i live bruh

    • @claudionunziante9347
      @claudionunziante9347 Před 2 lety +6

      @@seuduxi6807 yes but as a junior we are paid at best 1800€ net of taxes per month, so if you subtract the 500€ that you pay in taxes you have 1300€ left, and that is if you are fortunate enough to have found a good paying job outside a major city because otherwise your rent and expenses will skyrocket.
      You also have to account for the fact that our IT job market is absolute garbage compared to the US one BUT we have a lot more security (it's basically impossible to fire an employee and we don't have the necessity to pay for health insurance).
      Personally my goal is to work in Switzerland (Zurich) after my master degree in IT and finance

  • @Speak4Yourself2
    @Speak4Yourself2 Před 2 lety +1

    That's one informative video. Great job.

  • @DecemberNames
    @DecemberNames Před rokem +1

    Thank you for another great video

  • @yume8666
    @yume8666 Před 2 lety +539

    This aint even bad at all, you got $1400 after all your expenses + savings + groceries and eating out

    • @Bylov6812
      @Bylov6812 Před 2 lety +14

      Kekw, you can improve your life quality and lower your expenses if you go to Georgia... *the country*

    • @garden0fstone736
      @garden0fstone736 Před 2 lety +1

      Yeah but it didn’t mention rent nor a mortgage, so unless he’s living in mommy’s basement it’s not that great lol

    • @MalignSociety
      @MalignSociety Před 2 lety +11

      @@garden0fstone736 yah that was deducting 3k for rent ha

    • @seiam9988
      @seiam9988 Před 2 lety +7

      @@garden0fstone736 yes it did

    • @garden0fstone736
      @garden0fstone736 Před 2 lety

      @@MalignSociety gahdamn

  • @SetFreeByTheTruth2024
    @SetFreeByTheTruth2024 Před 2 lety +720

    You can make a lot…but I ultimately moved from away from being a SWE to a PM after my one manager said I “should eat, sleep, and breathe for my job” at The Big G. There is so much burnout, that it is honestly better to find something else to do if software engineering isn’t your absolute passion. I mean, look at all the CZcamsrs who WERE software engineers, but gave that up to do CZcams.

    • @KBreezy_
      @KBreezy_ Před 2 lety +2

      What’s a PM?

    • @SetFreeByTheTruth2024
      @SetFreeByTheTruth2024 Před 2 lety +20

      Program Manager

    • @luizcastro5246
      @luizcastro5246 Před 2 lety +51

      Yeah, why would CZcams have so many people who dedicate themselves to making a CZcams channel HMMMMMM must be because all hundreds of thousands of programmers hate their job, no other explanation exists.

    • @moeyali123
      @moeyali123 Před 2 lety

      Don’t be a little bitch

    • @youreinthematrix87
      @youreinthematrix87 Před 2 lety +57

      They gave it up cause everyone started supporting them on CZcams not everyone has that luxury or luck to get thousands of views and subscribers.

  • @sajackson
    @sajackson Před rokem +1

    This hit hard and was very insightful

  • @ba8yRoseSs
    @ba8yRoseSs Před 2 lety +4

    I love your videos! You are hilarious! lol. Definitely entertaining to watch. 😂

  • @SwimCraft
    @SwimCraft Před 2 lety +664

    Wait but that’s still a good amount of money to have left over each month. I mean considering that you said this dude is living in a one bedroom in downtown Seattle, maxing out his 401k, and eating out regularly. Most people would kill to be left over with $1400 per month. Especially considering this is supposed to be an “entry level” swe salary at big tech.

    • @ezekiel0606
      @ezekiel0606 Před 2 lety +8

      exactly

    • @vkd8721
      @vkd8721 Před 2 lety +55

      @@ezekiel0606 Right, the vid is like why do i have no savings after putting money away for my savings and accounting for leisure activities, my car and my hella nice appartment (3-4K a month in Seattle is by no means slumming it)?

    • @Nathan-en9dn
      @Nathan-en9dn Před 2 lety +21

      that isn't really an entry level salary.... the only reason it seems like it is a lot is because Seattle has an a higher cost of living. A normal STEM degree gets you about 50-60k in most of the country. In CA, WA, NY it is about 100k because rent there is 3x more. Don't move to these states unless you not planning to ever settle down because you won't be able to afford a down payment on a house in these places.

    • @vkd8721
      @vkd8721 Před 2 lety +12

      @@Nathan-en9dn Plenty of people settle down in Seattle, especially if youre a senior dev at Amazon, Microsoft, or a senior engineer at Boeing you should be good. Keep in mind there is a massive suburban area and most commutes are 30 min+

    • @Nathan-en9dn
      @Nathan-en9dn Před 2 lety +20

      @@vkd8721 You just said senior position... If you get a senior position anywhere you can settle down. A entry position in those places isn't worth it.

  • @thesouthsidedev1812
    @thesouthsidedev1812 Před 2 lety +75

    This video is really well made, you learn and laugh at the same time

    • @ManipulateHavoc
      @ManipulateHavoc Před rokem

      And you also get to cry about your 6 figure vanishing into dust.😊

    • @thesouthsidedev1812
      @thesouthsidedev1812 Před rokem

      @@ManipulateHavoc I have never had a corporate job as a software developer.

  • @beebbeec280
    @beebbeec280 Před rokem

    Loved this great work 👌👌👌

  • @UnaturalShadows
    @UnaturalShadows Před 2 lety +57

    if you can pay for all your expenses and live in a nice apartment in Seattle with $1000 left over every single month and you have a 401k and stock dividends coming four times a year I think you're doing pretty fucking good

  • @freezee7547
    @freezee7547 Před 2 lety +42

    Best video ever for salary explanation!

  • @giangle7020
    @giangle7020 Před 2 lety +14

    Very clear explanation and very nice new setup!

  • @annajones7322
    @annajones7322 Před rokem

    quite literally perfect video, i'm going into computer science and live in Seattle... this gives a lot of information that I wouldn't have understood fully otherwise, thank you

  • @geoffl
    @geoffl Před 2 lety +1

    this was a hilarious way to present accounting/math..well done :)

  • @I3orrovv
    @I3orrovv Před 2 lety +218

    My guy is maxing out his 401k and wonders where his spending money went.

    • @glamglam8347
      @glamglam8347 Před 2 lety +22

      hes paying for luxury car and wonders where all the money went.

    • @allinall9456
      @allinall9456 Před 2 lety +8

      500 dollar payment for a car is just average 🤣

    • @thundabearz5092
      @thundabearz5092 Před 2 lety +29

      @@allinall9456 i was about to pop in and be like yo, youre fuckin full of shit. But then i looked it up, cause I wasnt really sure.
      Ill be goddammned. National avg payment on a new car is $644. Used is $488. Lemme take my broke ass on back inside.

    • @AdrianA-yo8jd
      @AdrianA-yo8jd Před 2 lety +2

      Fax lol

    • @sauce8277
      @sauce8277 Před 2 lety +1

      @@thundabearz5092 Your not going to believe this, but did you know if you were responsible growing up, you can NOT get a car loan and pay it off in full BEFORE college or even after college of attending a smaller university. Don’t let these people lie to you. I got a simple delivery job, saved 12k and paid off a reliable used car same year….AFTER rent. Could have done the same with more expensive car. There is always a catch. Debt will kill your dreams. Don’t buy into the lie of credit and interest.

  • @permanar_
    @permanar_ Před 2 lety +567

    $3k dollars rent a month???? just for a single bedroom?
    In my country that could be our annual salary, not gonna lie tho.

    • @gamechannel1271
      @gamechannel1271 Před 2 lety +33

      All supply and demand. Also high due to horrible laws around house construction in California that jack up the prices.

    • @alexk1888
      @alexk1888 Před 2 lety

      The median 1B apartment in Seattle is a little under $2k (which is still crazy, admittedly), so he's just a dumbass who's living beyond his means. $3k apartments are for couples or individuals making $180k+

    • @anagh8878
      @anagh8878 Před 2 lety +12

      I can afford to pay rent for 5 (3 bedroom) flats with that money

    • @matheusaraujo4495
      @matheusaraujo4495 Před 2 lety +35

      With that money one can rent a pretty big house in a luxury condo here in Brazil

    • @Lexillios
      @Lexillios Před 2 lety +19

      It literally is my annual salary

  • @KINGABDUL99
    @KINGABDUL99 Před rokem +1

    Your amazing man

  • @programmingwithjerry731
    @programmingwithjerry731 Před 2 lety +1

    This got me thinking as a new software engineer, though with no programming job yet. Interesting video 👍

  • @anima87it
    @anima87it Před 2 lety +487

    And the real problems come when you're allergic to peanuts.

  • @toastybatch565
    @toastybatch565 Před 2 lety +682

    A NOTE ABOUT 401K: You can take out a loan from yourself at a pretty good interest rate whenever you need to tap into your 401k, thus bypassing the tax on taking money out of it. Of course this means you'd have to pay it back eventually.

    • @akillersquirrel5880
      @akillersquirrel5880 Před 2 lety +21

      You can do a 72(t) withdrawal plan or set up A Roth Conversation Ladder to get your money out sooner (both of these are intended to be for the long haul).
      A 401k loan is usually intended to be something you use while still employed at the company offering the 401k. My 401k from the last place I worked no longer allows me to take out a loan.

    • @RealAphotiX
      @RealAphotiX Před 2 lety +15

      In 401k plans I've seen, this interest is actually paid to back to your plan (you are literally just paying interest towards your retirement, so you get it back in the end.) The only real fees are the loan fee (typically $25-100) and the lost stock gains - if any.

    • @daves.software
      @daves.software Před 2 lety +12

      The downside is that the interest you pay is usually less than what you would have earned had you left your 401K money invested. Retirement money is also usually protected from creditors, so withdrawing it to pay a debt is usually a bad idea.

    • @muhammadtalhaali2541
      @muhammadtalhaali2541 Před 2 lety

      if you die earlier you dont have to pay it :)

    • @TrollerzTV
      @TrollerzTV Před 2 lety +5

      Horrible idea

  • @TomHutchinson5
    @TomHutchinson5 Před 2 lety +331

    I love the sincere discussion about earnings and money. If engineers had unions, we could get a much larger share of the vast amounts of money we generate. NFL/NBA/MLB players now get about half the money they generate. Owners still get to pick up a hefty check for basically doing nothing. Players only got that after they organized.

    • @telgou
      @telgou Před 2 lety +9

      How come there are no unions for engineers yet ?

    • @jumbo_mumbo1441
      @jumbo_mumbo1441 Před 2 lety +37

      @@telgou because a lot of American engineers think"well I'm making this much-I don't need it. It seems like unnecessary responsibility"

    • @jumbo_mumbo1441
      @jumbo_mumbo1441 Před 2 lety +6

      I wonder how easy it is to start a union

    • @yeuxverts8494
      @yeuxverts8494 Před rokem +5

      Curious you never talk about the taxes they gotta pay and the taxes engineers pay too

    • @TomHutchinson5
      @TomHutchinson5 Před rokem +6

      @@yeuxverts8494 Good point! We wouldn't have any of this technology to engineer without the decades of massive public subsidy.

  • @lisaknieriem5852
    @lisaknieriem5852 Před rokem +1

    😂🤣😂🤣 It’s the same sad story in Portland!
    Love ur channel ❤️

  • @RedempleMarcelo
    @RedempleMarcelo Před 2 lety +5

    This is my favourite channel. I especially like it when you explain everything so nicely. I wish you a lot of success with the channel and happy life. ❤️

  • @alihassanmirza9430
    @alihassanmirza9430 Před 2 lety +17

    Hahaha. One of the best videos explaining the high salaries and the corresponding taxes, rents and etc.

  • @UNThanh
    @UNThanh Před rokem +2

    Shout out to you because of amazing acting skills and video directing also not only good content. =)) really funny. I watch this several times already.

  • @pranaysahariah6193
    @pranaysahariah6193 Před rokem +2

    i really like your videos bro

  • @kiko7247
    @kiko7247 Před 2 lety +383

    This was so entertaining and funny, it's kinda crazy how the payment system works though!

  • @mooz1470
    @mooz1470 Před 2 lety +4

    Excellent video. Funny and also very instructive. Bravo !

  • @mjrupprecht6458
    @mjrupprecht6458 Před 11 měsíci

    Quality content. As always.

  • @nolacking1007
    @nolacking1007 Před 2 lety +1

    These really hit hard 😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😭

  • @sebastiane7556
    @sebastiane7556 Před 2 lety +720

    25% taxes? Damn, I wish I had to pay that little.

    • @darkdudironaji
      @darkdudironaji Před 2 lety +81

      You're either making like $200k or over paying on your taxes. You should look into it. If you get a return every year, you're likely over paying.
      Edit: Just thought about it. I live in a state without state income tax. You likely don't I was thinking federal only.

    • @richardmenz3257
      @richardmenz3257 Před 2 lety +57

      I make 100k and my tax percentage total is 28.5%. I think most people look at the bracket but not the real amount paid because per brackets my tax rate is 38.5%

    • @-souls-5989
      @-souls-5989 Před 2 lety +96

      @@darkdudironaji They might be european. Higher tax rates here

    • @darkdudironaji
      @darkdudironaji Před 2 lety +1

      @@-souls-5989 Fair

    • @talkysassis
      @talkysassis Před 2 lety +26

      In my place that's 47%

  • @aramgrig1998
    @aramgrig1998 Před 2 lety +166

    Best US salaries system explanation video I have ever seen🙏

  • @brianwilson7934
    @brianwilson7934 Před 2 lety +32

    You: I spent $3000 renting an apartment
    Also you: where did my money go?

  • @bg3641
    @bg3641 Před 2 lety +1

    This channel is amazing

  • @satorutv789
    @satorutv789 Před 2 lety +49

    This little skit of 3 minutes explains each & every truth of the dissection of a Software-engineer Salary.

  • @adamadequate4596
    @adamadequate4596 Před 2 lety +239

    This is also just a starting total compensation (base salary + stock + bonus). This is more than most earn after decades of experience.
    Once you build some experience and get a couple promotions, things really snowball. You can be making $300-400k a year within 5-8 years (or faster) in big tech. All the expenses here don't grow that much, so that $1,000 left over quickly becomes $10,000 or more. If the stock market is strong, those $20k RSUs in year 4 can end up being way more and they compound as you get grants year on year. That stack of grants is lost if you leave, those are the true golden handcuffs.

    • @agastyaparashar2941
      @agastyaparashar2941 Před 2 lety +26

      Exactly, software engineers are out of touch when it comes to money, that 1k dollars is literally play money, he can do whatever he wants with that.

    • @nickwilson3499
      @nickwilson3499 Před 2 lety +9

      @@agastyaparashar2941 but if he's smart he invests or pays off loans with most of it

    • @ItimDave
      @ItimDave Před 2 lety +27

      $300-400k in 5 years? That's pretty crazy. in the UK you're lucky to be on $120k at the end of your software career.

    • @agastyaparashar2941
      @agastyaparashar2941 Před 2 lety +1

      @@nickwilson3499 Yup, most of my income is locked up in investments.

    • @agastyaparashar2941
      @agastyaparashar2941 Před 2 lety +7

      @@ItimDave You can also go to other places in the world if your intention would be to make that crazy amount of money, but I'd say 300-400k is insane, people that have been working in top companies for as seniors might not even make that much.

  • @tiho-nge60r-rttj
    @tiho-nge60r-rttj Před rokem +1

    마지막에 필사적으로 하는 광고멘트까지 완벽ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

  • @Ryan_Cohen
    @Ryan_Cohen Před 2 lety +1

    These explosions😂

  • @somniad
    @somniad Před 2 lety +348

    hehe, wonderful, I did this math in advance and realized that it was very possible to end up with that little at the end of it but honestly $1500/month in disposable income was still so much to me that I didn't and still don't give a fuck. I love my job, I'm basically comfy, it's whatever.

    • @GBR9794
      @GBR9794 Před 2 lety +14

      comfy is the must 😊

    • @0xdamian595
      @0xdamian595 Před 2 lety +15

      Spoken like a true indentured servant.

    • @somniad
      @somniad Před 2 lety +28

      ​@@0xdamian595 What? I legitimately don't understand what relation this has to indentured servitude unless you claim that all work is kinda like indentured servitude.
      ...Which is kinda true in our society, but that's fairly beside the point lol

    • @0xdamian595
      @0xdamian595 Před 2 lety

      @@somniad that's my point exactly.
      But honestly, I hope I didn't offend you, if you're happy and love your work then that's all that matters, truly.
      *fucks off*

    • @dimitar.bogdanov
      @dimitar.bogdanov Před 2 lety +15

      @@0xdamian595 if you're living just fine, why would you care?

  • @treyshaffer
    @treyshaffer Před 2 lety +58

    Yo I've been feeling this hard. Although I spend less on rent and more on taxes. But damn, making 6 figures in expensive coastal cities really isn't all that glamorous of a lifestyle. I don't have a car, don't eat out often (and if I do it's pretty budget), don't do much shopping (my clothing is all really cheap), etc, but somehow I still end up saving way less than I feel like I should...
    Although, ofc as you mentioned, maxing your 401k as a 23 year old is actually pretty insane and that is where a lot of it is going. The typical 401k balance for a 35 year old is 32k, so putting 20k in at age 23 means you're like in the top 1% of all people for 401k contributions lol.

    • @Dreamwriter4242
      @Dreamwriter4242 Před 2 lety +18

      Maxing out 401k as a 23-year-old is a great idea if you can do it. It means you'll retire with over $5 million if you keep it up.

    • @Veritas-invenitur
      @Veritas-invenitur Před 2 lety

      @@Dreamwriter4242 It will not matter if the Entire Western World fails. That 5 million will be have the buying power of 25,000 by the time he is 60 if the Government doesn’t fix its spending problem. Inflation sucks and FIATs fail. I would say buy gold but the government stole everyone’s gold through eminent domain last time. So, stocks? Maybe, a market crash can wipe everything out and destroy companies. So, good luck.

    • @vegetassj1629
      @vegetassj1629 Před 2 lety +12

      @@Dreamwriter4242 and how much will 5mil be worth in 40 years?

    • @sashamc309
      @sashamc309 Před 2 lety +13

      @@vegetassj1629 more than 1 million, that’s for sure

    • @Emmanuel-ne3oi
      @Emmanuel-ne3oi Před 2 lety

      He could save more but his budget is garbage

  • @user-df2uu3qp3y
    @user-df2uu3qp3y Před rokem +8

    after covid a lot of programmers are working remote. so 120k is not too bad if u live in a low tax state and low cost of living state as well. remote working has really changed the game especially in programming industries

  • @juliusjean-baptiste924
    @juliusjean-baptiste924 Před 2 lety +4

    This definitely taught me to negotiate a higher base than stocks.

  • @richardzic9845
    @richardzic9845 Před 2 lety +39

    Cut my rent, by living in a van

    • @Nite_coder
      @Nite_coder Před 2 lety +12

      Cut my van, by living in a vent

    • @ao4393
      @ao4393 Před 2 lety +1

      camper van?

    • @seaweedglob
      @seaweedglob Před 2 lety +1

      @@Nite_coder Cut my vent, by living in iran

    • @NMEofdaST8
      @NMEofdaST8 Před 2 lety

      cut my rent i’m living in a tent

  • @Puplice23
    @Puplice23 Před 2 lety +595

    I did the math based on his equation part way into the video. According to the way taxation works based on tax brackets by TD Ameritrade channel. The max he gets taxed Federally is 22% so that would be $17,634 total so he is left with $102,366. A month, he earns $8,530.50 the combined monthly expenses is $6,500. So at the end of the month he is left with $2,030.50

    • @PIRATEKINGDOM
      @PIRATEKINGDOM  Před 2 lety +201

      yea i said (exaggerated to) 25% just to make calculations simpler

    • @alextalksfinance4298
      @alextalksfinance4298 Před 2 lety +201

      Financial advisor here - Believe it or not, his total taxes are likely higher than 25%. If his RSUs vest quarterly at $5,000, that’s total income of $140,000. Including the 7.65% FICA tax and ~5.5% avg state tax, he’s looking at close to 27.5% even when you factor in the 401k deduction.

    • @rmedal4594
      @rmedal4594 Před 2 lety +5

      What about State Taxes?

    • @gurkiratjandu3253
      @gurkiratjandu3253 Před 2 lety +31

      @@rmedal4594 Washington doesn't have state taxes

    • @gurkiratjandu3253
      @gurkiratjandu3253 Před 2 lety +16

      @@alextalksfinance4298 Washington does not have a state tax

  • @rajaabalaji6
    @rajaabalaji6 Před 2 lety

    This was a great and funny video!

  • @xzavaire1
    @xzavaire1 Před 2 lety +29

    Company I use to work for gave us the “golden handcuffs” and everyone was so excited. I had to explain that the $50,000 isnt theirs yet. You gotta jump through these hoops first and the last 4 are on fire . They really had people thinking they could retire off of employee stock purchase plans and “free shares”.

  • @wednesdaysangel1
    @wednesdaysangel1 Před 2 lety +8

    That's still pretty good, my advice would be to expand your portfolio and do side work like teaching and tutoring skills to candidates, while working on a plan to manage future endeavors by having a project that you could sell, like how most people just sort of like to mention that they'd love to build and sell an app. But, then again, I'm not qualified to actually give advice because I haven't been programming for 20+ years. I really enjoyed the video, though. You should make more of them.

  • @SwoleBenji
    @SwoleBenji Před 2 lety +496

    As someone who worked the majority of his life to get a manager position in retail making awful pay. I lmao @ anyone who complains about the cost of living making six figures. Imagine making 66% less than you normally do. That's the majority of people.

    • @DefiantFrost
      @DefiantFrost Před 2 lety +52

      I mean that's a fair point. But the cost of living for an area has to be factored in. It's why companies like EA keep closing games studios located in the Bay Area, because you have to pay them like 120k a year, if you don't they basically can't afford to work for you. It's insanity.

    • @eck0wns
      @eck0wns Před 2 lety +2

      First, love your WoW stuff man, big fan. Second, I totally agree, however, those are entry-level jobs for a reason. I think the most efficient way forward is to pickup tangible skills (not talking about college necessarily), then take those skills and leverage them to get amazing jobs that pay better and potentially come with comprehensive benefits packages. That's what I did through intelligent capital allocation and investing anyway. Because fuck working McDonalds and Kroger lol for minimum wage.

    • @Gina-gi3ip
      @Gina-gi3ip Před 2 lety +7

      @@DefiantFrost 120k in cali = 70k in PA, it's crazyyyy

    • @nobleradical2158
      @nobleradical2158 Před 2 lety +5

      @@eck0wns not all of those are entry-level jobs.

    • @eck0wns
      @eck0wns Před 2 lety

      @@nobleradical2158 ?

  • @TunerThings
    @TunerThings Před rokem +2

    Damn man you set my Echo into this crazy tailspin about how much software engineers make bahahahah

  • @Nilocsemliw
    @Nilocsemliw Před rokem +1

    This video hits hard

  • @sergiojhdz
    @sergiojhdz Před 2 lety +51

    Bro $3000 for a 1 bedroom can probably get you a loft here in Houston lol

    • @LDInDevelopment
      @LDInDevelopment Před 2 lety +10

      Shoot that’s a mortgage payment (or two) if you play it right in Texas lol

    • @iooooooo1
      @iooooooo1 Před 2 lety +5

      3k is stupid high even in Seattle, he can easily get back 1k/yr without moving into a bad place.

    • @sergiojhdz
      @sergiojhdz Před 2 lety

      @@LDInDevelopment for a 5-7 bedroom lol

    • @iooooooo1
      @iooooooo1 Před 2 lety +1

      @@erikawwad7653 I meant 2k/mo, i.e. "get back" 1k/mo from the 3k/mo he's currently spending.

    • @Emmanuel-ne3oi
      @Emmanuel-ne3oi Před 2 lety +4

      Yea he's wasting money when he could get a one bedroom or open bedroom in Seattle for like 1700-2000 easily

  • @symbol767
    @symbol767 Před 2 lety +49

    This video is so accurate it hurts

  • @ReMiXGamingChannel
    @ReMiXGamingChannel Před 2 lety +1

    This hit my home

  • @solsolcoco879
    @solsolcoco879 Před 2 lety +2

    You make such a funny video lol 😂 Love it !!!!

  • @hunter98764
    @hunter98764 Před 2 lety +14

    Great video, really explains the dilemma lol. But...the RSU breakdown was a bit misleading, most firms will have a minimum 1 year cliff so you get nothing until your 2nd year (the graphs on the screen actually showed that). So ironically this offer that had Y1 vesting is actually *really good*!
    Source: ex-FAANG employee :)

  • @Matando
    @Matando Před 2 lety +265

    The fact that you have any money leftover means you're doing well for yourself. As someone who has been administrating Linux systems since 2007(desktops, and servers in both the home and remote data centers) and even has a certification but no degree I've been unable to land work in the field. I've been stuck working in retail and am barely scraping by.

    • @felixizarra8513
      @felixizarra8513 Před 2 lety +32

      There are many of us without degrees but with skills and we get hired in big tech, just focus on having a good resume and good experience 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @PathWars
      @PathWars Před 2 lety +10

      That's really sad dude, sorry to hear that :(

    • @gamechannel1271
      @gamechannel1271 Před 2 lety +10

      You know you have problems when you define "doing well" as "not sinking in a shithole"...

    • @mjs3188
      @mjs3188 Před 2 lety +26

      Get an AWS or Azure cert. Automation and cloud tech have destroyed your career prospects with that background. You are competing with a lot of people on way fewer spots.

    • @Matando
      @Matando Před 2 lety +2

      @@mjs3188 I've been thinking about it. Getting the money to pay for the cert is the main issue for me.

  • @mohdabdulrahman6611
    @mohdabdulrahman6611 Před 9 měsíci +4

    Alexa being raw for straight 5 mins 😅

  • @derpderpington8331
    @derpderpington8331 Před rokem +29

    Something fun that one of my elderly coworkers in IT told me about is that if you just pay up to your companies 401k match and then withdraw, even with the penalties applied you’d still be making money

  • @pipepistoleer
    @pipepistoleer Před 2 lety +11

    Move to area with lower cost of living that is also an up and coming metro - buy house, save money, buy another and lease it out (and another if you can swing it), equity is your ROI. Get second WFH software engineer job if you can swing it. Pay off debt. Bank the rest. Laugh at west coast friends who stayed for peanuts.

  • @JasperDev
    @JasperDev Před 2 lety +272

    Imagine paying taxes

    • @a.yashwanth
      @a.yashwanth Před 2 lety +7

      no need to imagine. Everyone doing a job is already paying taxes. Well atleast lot of them are.

    • @HeyltsKenzi
      @HeyltsKenzi Před 2 lety +61

      Hippity hoppity the IRS is on your property

    • @doublej42
      @doublej42 Před 2 lety +2

      Ya. We don’t pay enough. That’s why I do volunteer work for the government.

    • @Miguel-jm2pf
      @Miguel-jm2pf Před 2 lety

      @@doublej42 Slave

    • @JohnDoe-rj8nd
      @JohnDoe-rj8nd Před 2 lety

      @@doublej42 "We"? Speak for yourself buckwheat, if you want to give all your money to the government so it can piss it away go right ahead but keep your filthy hands off my property.

  • @henryd4331
    @henryd4331 Před rokem +2

    I loved it.

  • @DIGITALD3CK5
    @DIGITALD3CK5 Před rokem +3

    This man's actually got more left over at the end of a month than I make in the same :) love this planet

  • @derekwright5722
    @derekwright5722 Před 2 lety +48

    As a software engineer myself I found this to be absolutely hilarious 😂😂

  • @MightyElemental
    @MightyElemental Před 2 lety +91

    I'd never want to live in a city. $3000 a month for housing is absolute insanity.

    • @ademchokri8478
      @ademchokri8478 Před 2 lety

      Yes XDD thats wayy too much rent , he could save up some extra cash by living with friends or find a more friendly budget apartment

    • @Lexillios
      @Lexillios Před 2 lety +1

      that is how much i make in a year T_T

    • @chadsworthgigafuck7076
      @chadsworthgigafuck7076 Před 2 lety +2

      @@Lexillios 😦

    • @rickm8720
      @rickm8720 Před 2 lety +2

      $3k for a luxury bedroom in a nice part of town is definitely a choice. You can still live in a cool neighborhood in the city in a regular place for way less.

    • @AVClarke
      @AVClarke Před 2 lety

      Financially, he'd be better off long-term buying a house than renting in a place like that.

  • @danroak
    @danroak Před rokem +7

    Having RSU vest equally over 4 year is actually considered better than some. Some companies make it so that it gets distributed in exponential scale so you get near literal nothing toward when you first start out and only really get your RSU at the end of 4 year gold cuff years.

  • @redbirddata5926
    @redbirddata5926 Před 2 lety +1

    That was sick

  • @dluffy121
    @dluffy121 Před 2 lety +3

    Your Will is strong for a software engineer in Seattle

  • @tejasphirke3436
    @tejasphirke3436 Před 2 lety +7

    You are not only software engineer but also creator as well as good actor 😂😂

  • @kchal0
    @kchal0 Před rokem +2

    Fellow software dev here from Texas with a comparable salary. The cost of living difference is pretty stark. It’s not always what you make but how much you keep. Like Washington there is no state tax here but rent is much lower. We own our house but including taxes and insurance it’s only $1,860/mo. My wife is a stat at home mom and we still have quite a bit left over at the end of the month (we don’t have many expenses, cars are paid for etc). As a dev you can generally work anywhere, have you considered possibly moving to a lower cost state? That and steer clear of any high interest debt.

  • @akumacode
    @akumacode Před 2 lety +4

    wow, this just made me realize how great the divide my friends and I have and it's just gonna get wider the older we get. $1k/mo leftover even after rent and a car loan? That's fantastic

  • @105fonseca
    @105fonseca Před 2 lety +3

    Amazing video. Funny and real

  • @tonynguyen6124
    @tonynguyen6124 Před 2 lety +109

    This video was probably meant to be a joke but it was quite informative lol

  • @Pwnzistor
    @Pwnzistor Před rokem +1

    That's a sharp monitor my dude.

  • @MarkisCouch_1WhatJustHappened

    Great video! LOL!

  • @niklasstg6957
    @niklasstg6957 Před rokem +9

    As a german i always wondered how Programmers in the USA earn this much.
    And this is the best detailed Version yet

  • @alexplayer8367
    @alexplayer8367 Před rokem +8

    I'm from Mexico which is much cheaper than the US but with salaries that really sucks, working remotely for an American company is the dream of every Latin American software engineer.

  • @x12_79
    @x12_79 Před 2 lety +2

    Im glad my plan of becoming a software dev in Seattle will lead to such a comfortable life. They even give you GOLD handcuffs...

  • @alexuz93
    @alexuz93 Před rokem +2

    Lol this is one of the main reasons why I changed my mind on moving to Oregon. I heard the cost of living and taxes are ridiculous!

  • @DrPanda-kf8cu
    @DrPanda-kf8cu Před rokem +4

    Honestly with smart investing and handling your expenses this is an amazing deal, first thing I'd be doing is saving up for a home though

    • @NathanHedglin
      @NathanHedglin Před rokem

      Yup. That's what I did. Live in LCOL area is key

  • @deeepdish
    @deeepdish Před rokem +4

    I plan to live with a roomate so rent is halved into 1,500. 401K seems like a percentage you can put and he forgot to mention a company matches it but lets drop it to 4% so 4% of 10,000 is 400. Keeping the loans the same and removing the very variable “etc” the total is more realistically 5300 a month left over.

  • @robot3932
    @robot3932 Před rokem +1

    "P.E.A.NUTS" got me cryin' XD

  • @programercoder9189
    @programercoder9189 Před rokem +2

    why the hell is CZcams recommending me your videos when i have to just start for the computer engineering but man your videos are funny and scary at the same time

  • @Justcruzinn
    @Justcruzinn Před 2 lety +3

    This is hilarious but true haha 😂….great vid

  • @mohamedelhoussein155
    @mohamedelhoussein155 Před 2 lety +3

    Exactly what I am dealing with 😂 tell my friends I need a higher paying job, and they think I am the wolf of wolf street.

  • @AdrianoJolivesi
    @AdrianoJolivesi Před rokem

    That’s GOLD Jerry!
    Bro, here I am starting a free self-taught “Software Engineer” online path to a career-change at 40 and you crush my dreams like that 😅🥹😂🤣
    Super funny! 😂👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • @Starstrike21
    @Starstrike21 Před 2 lety +1

    great video