Reading Again Bad Steam Reviews of Fear & Hunger!
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- čas přidán 18. 09. 2023
- In this video we are gonna be reading once again bad steam reviews of Fear & Hunger!
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I think what the guy complaining about infection was saying was that the game should be more clear that you are dying from infection. So it should be saying things like "You collapse from nausea" for example and progressively get worse until you die
Yeah I could agree with that precise part as I said in the video, as the currently present way is kinda missable!
I agree. However, if you have an infection, isn’t your first thought to treat it immediately?
@brycerodriguez244 well, if there are multiple enemies/hazards around giving off a particular status effect and the negative effects of that effect are unclear, why not wait to treat it until later? The treatment items can be extremely rare at times after all.
@brycerodriguez244 Yeah, but if I don't have green herbs and I don't know I'm dying, I wouldn't be rushing trying to find a herb
@@frapollo94"kinda" couldn't be more of an understatement, theres like 3 frames where the sentences are present
Several of those complaints also apply to the OG Final Fantasy and we all know how much praise that franchise got.
Wow people are still surprised with this double standards on internet. I remember how EA had servers down for a while and got flammed alive by customers that they cant play their games online, but when same thing happened to Fromsoft for 8 months everyone ignored it. Double standard.
@@ExtremeMan10Rather than double standards, it instead shows what kind of people their respective fanbases consist of. The entire internet is not just one person.
@@ExtremeMan10EA is a shit company.
I mean, it's not like people praise FF1 on the NES. Not sure what you're going on about, op.
FF1 is probably my 3rd favorite FF game, not counting the Tactics series which would take 1-3 instead. The other two are FF5 and VII(which reuses a lot of 5's monsters, skills and spells if you pay close attention). The original FFT also has a lot of influence from V, and even lets you recruit some iconic monsters from that game for fun.
I can't wait for the "hit yourself in the head with a rock" 8 hour stream
Challenge run Rock only?
@@frapollo94frap plz
You dont deserve that...
@@frapollo94little girl rock only? no soul stone equipment? blindfolded even?
so playing funger 1?
concusion any% speedrun
My best guess for what they meant by the random level up system would be the soul stones
Hmmm maybe! But even then, that isn't random... I highly hope the guy from that review will find this video!
genuinely speaking, I think midway through writing the review, he got so mad he forgot the actual contents of the game@@frapollo94
@@frapollo94 for someone with 1.5h logged on the game, not knowing static drops and only getting them from crates. it would come off as rng. Arguing against that is in bad faith.
However it also doesn't take long to figure out that progression of this game can be done completely without being within 3 miles of the hexen.
I'd also assume that they randomly picked up a skill scroll and was like "oh, so this is how you grow as a character."
@@qwoz2327I love frap but I think a lot of these arguments are in bad faith, some are kind of rude, and they're all completely dismissive, despite being completely aware, of the fact that FnH tells you literally nothing at all.
Plus, the thing is, all of the complaints read in this video are legitimate to have when you're new. They are all things even veteran players didn't understand and got frustrated by. and the "counter" arguments aren't reasonable because they take time and experimentation to figure out, if you ever figure them out. The counter arguments are just "lol skill issue".
On that note, he rips on people for having not played for very long, and it's like, yeah dude, not everyone is willing to be violated by dogs and guards in a game they've already decided they don't like until they're no longer allowed to refund it.
Idk I like frap, I was one of the first people here, but genuinely these are comments made in incredibly bad faith. I like FnH as much as anyone here but let's not pretend the game is at all welcoming to new players.
I think people think there are limited save because of the crow mauler bed. It tells you that its safe one time and then tells you that the room doesn't feel safe anymore. If you dont experiment much, and then see that there are a bunch of beds in the dungeon where cahara is, you can learn the wrong lesson.
Hmmm maybe that's a possibility!
fair point :D
Wait, how many safe saves are there? Every other bed I found aside from the one in the tower in Ma'habre described itself as unsafe.
@@mouthwide0penthe buckman bed is safe after you kill trortur if I remember correctly
@@ytpanda398 I have learned a lot in these 6 days and have simply learned that you can wipe a floor to make a bed safe.
Something I think could be funny is adding in some positive reviews that poorly represent the game. Negative reviews from people who couldn't get very far are fun, but I imagine many people leaving said reviews only got the game after seeing a positive review or two, and I imagine a lot of positive reviews are trying to downplay the difficulty, etc.
Hmmm you know, that actually seems an interesting idea!
I'd say this game is unfair if you do one single run(or a few), and that is part of the immersion, that is a positive, it makes you feel the hopelessness of the situation the characters are in
Yeah I can agree with that!
This game has done a great job with its ludonarrative (or storytelling through gameplay).
The depths of fear and hunger wouldn't feel as dark and oppressive without the odds being stacked against you. If it played like a standard jrpg with fair fights and character progression all the way through, it wouldn't hit the same. The darkness would be a facade, like the spooks at a haunted house.
@@xevenwood6553standard jrpg, fair? what? jrpgs are known for grinding because of the unfair level spikes
@hackspawn1 True, what's fair and unfair is subjective and can vary a lot. I will say that imo grinding in JRPGs is akin to doing house chores, while the difficulty of F&H is more akin to escaping a death trap in the SAW movies lmao
I've only played termina but that is 100% true and I've only done easier mode but it took me probably 10 attempts to get a run going smoothly.
The nausea guy was trying to say that it could be implied you have an infection by having text boxes such as “you are experiencing nausea” or “you feel like collapsing from exhaustion”. Pretty sure he was just upset from dying to a debuff which he had no idea to what it was or how to cure it.
Yeah I think you're right, I realised it afterwards, but still, after first time you die to infection you kinda know you have to cure it asap!
That one dude was onto something, "hit yourself in the head with a rock" is one of my all time favorite games!
Mine too! That's why I got the impulse to play it immediately!
@@frapollo94 Earthbending, like all bending, is genetic.
To play devils advocate, i understand why a lot of people dont bother to understand or dig deeper into the games mechanics at the one hour mark.
At one hour you are getting halfway there into the time limit cap for refunds, and if you are strapped for cash you are likely not going to spend it into a game thats given you nothing but frustration.
That actually seems a good point to me! But still there is a thing that bothers me, why making a bad review making the player's problems pass as game's problems? Still I understand people that want refunds because maybe they don't have too much money!
I like to think of Fear & Hunger as the purest form of a Kaizo RPG. It's meant to feel unfair or even unbeatable at first and rewards you for not giving up and slowly adapting to its brutal mechanics until you eventually master it and can beat it just like any other game.
I can get on well with that vision I think!
Find it funny when people play a hard game and get mad when nothing is handed to them on a silver platter
I need a shocked pikachu face image
I love The guy who brought up berserk and Said The game didn't get The point of It, clearly missing The whole point of Berserk
I mean the game is unfair, and most of it are filled with RNGfest, I'm sure most ppl expecting Dark Souls of difficulty where you can get good as you go on and not be screwed with RNG.
Oh boy, I can't wait to be tormented by these bad reviews
Prepare some extra braincells in case yours get destroyed!
Guys don't try "hitting yourself in the head with a rock"
I'm getting carried to the hospital now
Good job that event has a 20% chance!
glass bones and paper skin: the survival horror immersive sim rpg
On the point of experimentation - I finished endings E, A and B before I realised that special souls from bosses give bonuses and that blueberries regenerate health, EVEN THOUGH BOTH THOSE THINGS ARE OBVIOUS. I could figure out that red vials blind, that poison and fire is good, that promising death to ghouls will make them not attack, but BLUEberries healing blew my fucking mind.
Oh I see what you mean, I discovered being able to guard coinflip attacks only after I did ending E!
blueberries heal you??
@@mouthwide0pen yes, for like 5-7 health each
@@Mhroczniak fuck me i've been loaded on blueberries this whole time and i never used a single one
@@mouthwide0pen and it's not like the game hides this, literally every single other "blue" item heals. When I found that out I felt like both a genius and a dumbass at the same time :D
Every time there's a video like this pocketcat is out there using "A gentle rubbing."
Crow Mauler lore is extremely badass. And his body is goals.
Agree!
not gonna lie, the one thing that i found annoying about the game is not finding any way to know that guarding cancels coin toss attacks etc. and i literally got all the normal endings and S ending for cahara but still didnt know about that till i watched your videos, so yeah cant really blame them since even i didnt, and im right now trying to do ragnavalder without any guide since im built diff (im going insane)
I'm sorry my friend! Even tho Seymor puts you into the right direction... still good job for not giving up!
6:33 He was saying that's what the game SHOULD do. Instead of going straight from infected to dead, the game should have your condition worsen by stages, so you know it's getting worse.
I see!
Which is funny because the game DOES say "Your infection is getting worse...", he just missed it.
Which, tbf, it pops up in the same textbox as prompts like hunger, low sanity, etc. So it isn't too hard to miss, esp if you just binge ate a bunch of dried mushrooms or something. I feel like the infection warning should be a proper textbox like dialogue is.
2:40 you’d be shocked, appalled even, by how many players will walk in with incredibly dumb presuppositions and refuse, flat out refuse, to test them (rain world there’s mofos who think the batfly nests ARE SPIKES)
Lmao yeah but it still surprises me every time, because they make it pass as something true, so people reading reviews may be mislead!
@@frapollo94 honestly i feel like this is just gonna be an eternal issue with mass reviews, like, lots of people for a variety of reasons just won’t write a good or useful review. it’s legitimately better the smaller the site/group, and worse as your group gets larger…
people think that abatfly nests are.spikes??? Damn people are dum
DID THEY EVEN GET PAST THE RW TUTORIAL??
@@iquit8602 they did, convincing themselves (again, with 0 evidence) that jumping on them is what kills you, but it’s ok to walk through them… sorta.
You know gaming became too casual when F&H is on difficulty scale just as brutal as the pixel art adventure games back in 2000s. I want to se these people play MDK, God Hand or hell even Symphony of the Night.
Gonna write down those names in the meantime!
Symphony of the Night is a pretty easy game though
@@starbreaker6740 With internet yes, but back then when internet was more or less a luxury and as kid it was harder to access it due to regulations in libraries/schools, you had to either figure stuff out yourself or experiment.
@@ExtremeMan10 i played the game extremely blind, lmao, and I beat it pretty easily *on a phone*
@@starbreaker6740 I can beat on modern phone even Kurohyou while high on acid and sleepy on hard difficulty, Im talking back then when games were not so common and people didnt knew about all the tacticts you could use. Plus back then I was 15 or something.
Maybe the level up system thing that guy was talking about was The Hexen. In a way getting more skills could be seen as "leveling up" and without knowing about the guarantee soul stones it may seem luck based. That's my best guess
Probably that may be the think he was referring to!
@@frapollo94 Glad you think so too. Nice videos by the way, I always find them pretty entertaining
I believe the thing ahout collapsing from nausea or feeling feverish are their thoughts on how to show that the infection is getting worse
Maybe!
A modern AAA game positive review:
Press A to kill the boss
->You archieved 3 steam rewards, a cosmetic (erotic) skin for your character and unlocked the possibility to pay real money for power ups
I once, playing as enki, missed an attack on left arm of a guard and lost an arm somewhere at the start of a run, still got S ending
Congrats my friend! That's exactly a point I wanted to mention! Even situations that may seem more difficult are perfectly doable!
Got d ending after losing legarde in the fight against valteri and darce lost both arms but still survived to the end
Honestly if you wanna make the game easy just reset until you get the pinecone pig, and then farm using a “disarmed” torturer until you have enough supplies to be comfortable.
Also Lisa the painfuls hard mode has limited saves, Funger has many saves that don’t hurt you too much if you fail the coin toss.
There are a lot of ways to make the game easier, including just straight up asking to the community! I appreciate way more a person that is ready to learn new stuff than a person who will assume their 1.5 hours included everything necessary to know 100% of the game and all the flaws
there is a "mod" that gives you 99 book of enlightment at the beggining, this can smooth the gameplay for some people
@@frapollo94 asking the community... that's actually bad game desing... Imagine you watch a f*cking movie and you have to read a book to undertand it, dude I better read just the damn book... I repect the people who likes the game by the unique that is but why you guys are so cocky about it?... you are not smarter by finishing it, god.
@@PEDROGARCIA-qj3gr man chill, he just said thats one of the ways, maybe playing a little more? Alot of Hard games will need such, if you not ready for that, go play something that requires less experimentation
@@PEDROGARCIA-qj3grHoly crap you're just like Osaa. Annoying pretentious person.
One thing I think in particular about easy modes is that I don’t think they actually ruin that much about games designed to be “unfair” hard, devs don’t have to include them, but if they were included it wouldn’t make the game worse, it might mean new players would have a harder time adjusting to the more brutal difficulties, but that’s about it.
Dark souls wouldn’t actually be ruined if it hard an easy mode.
I can suggest you to watch the TheActMan video if you're interested about the topic! Cause I completely agree with his vision!
How would you even implement an easy mode to funger withour fundamentally changing the narrative and gameplay mechanics of the game.
Since ive personally likes sekiro as a game and played it A LOT, how would you put an easy mode without changing game mechanics? I dont have quick reaction time, but the way ive defeated certain amounts of bosses in that game has been memorizing attack patterns with beats in my heads to parry them. The gameplay experience then feels like a dance more than reactionary parrying. Slow down the gameplay and youd be reacting to the bosses attack more than learning the pattern, decrease damage and you have less incentive to memorize enemy patterns.
Pathologic is also something ive played a lot, the difficulty is part of the narrative and also is a way for players to use the mechanics of the game to stay on top. (Besides cheesing obviously) Bachelor having a less hard time but getting shit smacked in fighting would be accurate to the character. The herbal doctor being a but stronger but being pursued by the villagers in first half of game is part of the narrative beat and introduces new way to play the game.
With the two examples of the difficult games ive mentioned here, difficulty at least in those games fundamentally change how you play them. And game designers want you to play their games in a certain way, adding easy modes are a designers choice to mould your experience, just like making the game difficult is.
@@frapollo94 I went and watched it - honestly, the first half of that TheActMan video was just bs, the usual rant about how you should just get good and whatnot... And oh man, it was hard to keep interest in pushing through it to get to the actually sensible part of the video. That's probably why it's seen as such a toxic gatekeeping viewpoint in the first place, everyone seems to lead with that.
As a hobbyist dev myself, I know how much work it is to make games but that's literally where the actual problem ends. The only good reason to not make an easy mode to a game is that it's more work. It's a valid reason of course, and it's not like you'd need a reason in the first place because it's your game.
So yes, I agree that no game should BE FORCED to have an easier difficulty but to say it would make the game worse is just... Some sort of weird ego thing. As if the only way to enjoy a game is the way you yourself enjoy it. It seems like some kind of bitter entitlement thing to think that "nobody else should have it easy because I had it hard" - the same bs that boomers say to younger generations.
I agree with this to a certain extent - no matter how poorly made the easy mode is or if it completely changes the game's atmosphere, you can just choose to play on a harder difficulty...
...But there's a problem. Adding an easy mode would take resources off from other development which can be an issue especially for solo devs and smaller teams. Easy mode in itself is usually a good idea if you can spare some more time working on it but sometimes it's just not a viable option.
@@cpt.battlecock5264 there could be a lot of changes made to the game that wouldn’t subvert the intentional brutality of the game that could also make the game easier, better chances for better items when looting, easier access to lucky coins, maybe making it at least a little bit easier to save. Kind of like changes made in the same vein of “fear and hunger” mode compared to “terror and starvation.” But easier instead of harder, besides if resources were the main difference, being wasteful of resources would still punish players that aren’t careful. I think if fear and hunger wanted to have an easier difficulty, it could do that without sacrificing the narrative elements of its unapproachable mechanics.
Not that I think it *needs* to have one. Just that it could, and that wouldn’t necessarily be a big deal, besides if it did have a difficulty that made the game super easy, a tooltip could just be transparent and say that the intended difficulty is the fear and hunger and up difficulties and that players who choose the easy mode are not going to experience the story in the same way, I think really a lot of players would rather play the game balanced as it was intended, but it would make the game more accessible to players who don’t want to go through the mechanics as much, again it’s not that it *needs* to. I’m not for it having an easy mode, I just don’t think it needs to specifically not have one either.
Nausea and fever are common symptoms of infection. I get where that guy was trying to go.
Yeah I realised afterwards, but still, after the first time you die of infection you kinda realise you have to heal it asap!
5:25 I do find his point fair, it's the fact that an infected limb SHOULD carry messages like that, but it simply doesn't, no signs of sickness from it and boom. instant death, soul evicted.
Yeah I didn't understand well that point initially, but still as I said in the video I agree that the infection messages should appear in a better way!
@@frapollo94 At least he had a relatively valid point
@@frapollo94 ( •̀ ω •́ )👍
Your pronunciation of nausea as "nosia" is just *chef's kiss*🤌
LMAOOOO I thought that was the correct pronunciation!
@@frapollo94Huh, I just checked and turned out that you are pronouncing it in british way (with your typical accent of course) while I was just used to hear it in american way (despite also studying only british english in school). Now I know better, let's pretend it was just a compliment to your amazing accent 😆
when looking at these reviews myself i notice a lot of people say that the coin flip attacks are completely unavoidable and like. did we play the same game? do they know about guarding?
Yeah the part that really annoys me is that these reviews are those that people may read before deciding if buying the game or not :/
stuff like that is why i always choose to go into games without reading reviews@@frapollo94
They're most likely thinking that guarding is not really necessary? Akin to what guarding is in most of RPG games, which I think is only half truth, that really depends on what games you're playing. But the other reason also could be that they didn't really talked to Sir Seymor or they didn't get what he really meant if you ask for survival tips.
It's not like the game doesn't tell you about it either. Very early in-game (if you don't go straight to the front door) you'll find a woman who'll explain battle mechanics to you, she's not even hidden so i must think that they only go to the front gate and never check out the crypt.
The walkthroughs make it SOUND easy on paper, but it’s not supposed to be. Furthest I’ve managed to get was the village until I got stomped by Crow Mauler. And then I made it to the big ass tree, only to die when I later found a ghost knight I couldn’t hit. It’s a slow burn to learn, and the atmosphere and creatures are scary. But it’s oddly rewarding and can suck you in.❤
I believe that this mystical level up system based on luck is how soul stones are random
Well not really, but i doubt they played long enough to know that they arent luck based
And that's the problem! Why writing the bad review and make this info pass as real?
Could watch Frap read reviews for days ngl
Awww thanks!
I love all of your videos and how enthusiastic you are, please keep it up :) ❤
Aww thanks I'm happy my enthusiasm is able to be perceived!
What a coincidence, today morning I rewatched the older review review videos and now this drops as if to complete my day.
Sign of destiny!
I love the complaint of RNG. A perfect stat Pokémon requires more luck than anything in funger. If they saw the unholy RNG in early game persona5 they’d simply die in the spot
I dunno exactly what are you referring to with the unholy rng in persona5 since I played that game, but still yeah RNG is something that, more or less, will be present in all games!
@@frapollo94 in merciless mode crit damage is tripled and gives the enemy another turn, resulting in early mini boss fights occasionally one shooting your party and sending you back to the title screen since merciless doesn’t allow you to restart fights
And solo joker twins requires a crit and a fair amount of luck to beat. Yosuke has the instant win RNG passive with the absurdly high dodge rate, literally all of the crit physical abilities, and the fact that technicals at rank 1/2 have a chance to NOT knock down. Now that I think of it Pokémon has multiple unavoidable RNG insta kill attacks meaning it is literally more random than funger
So that's your excuse? Other games have this so this is fine... Lol
Quality content 🙏I love you Frapollo 🙏loving you is like loving the cooler pocketcat
Awww thanks! I'm happy you consider me a cooler pocketcat!
Came here from Connor but boy am i glad i'm here to witness a pro explain Fear and Hunger properly! Here's your sub good sir hope you keep making strides!!
Awww thanks my friend! I'm happy you appreciate this!
Maybe he was talking about the hexen table skill tree which requires soul stones which are RNG drops kinda? Maybe he was talking about Moonless peeing (maybe the wiki is lying and it doesn't work as a level up mechanic)?
Hmmm allow me to copypaste something I answered to another comment!
But once again that's false! almost ALL the soul stones in the dungeon are guaranteed! There is like more than 10 guaranteed soul stones, 2 from coinflip chests, and a vendor in mahabre which sells them for 20 coins each! (coins are luck? PINECONE PIG! Pinecone pig is luck? EMPTY SCROLL! Empty scroll is luck? GUARANTEED ONE AFTER OLD KNI-ok Imma stop sorry)
I made a negative review for this game called Price of Flesh, the premise seemed interesting and I was recommended it because I played Fear & Hunger.
I just found it frustrating and a bit bland in setting and story, but I hope I didn’t sound stupid in my review 😅
I don't think I did read it for now!
The dude was saying the game should say “you collapsed from nausea” of your “fever has worsened” not that it does
Yeah I realised later!
In defense of the guy calling the game unfair. It very much is but it is also designed that way.
I can understand what you mean, he was present more because of the fact that doesn't provide any explanations!
9:51 I think the guy talks about the luck you need to get to find the Soul Stones to “Level Up” (still what he say doesn’t make any sense since you can buy them from the ma’habre vendor and find them as guaranteed drop from certain enemies)
If that's the case, exactly! Almost all soul stones in the game are guaranteed! There is a couple more that you can get randomly! (Also I really doubt this person in a little bit more than 1 hour was able to discover everything about soul stones, hexen, etc)
Thing with Funger is that if you don't know what you're getting into it will seem unfair and RNG at first glance, and if you think the game sucks from that first glance you won't necessarily want to meet it on its own terms.
It's also not that surprising that people who can't interact with the game in a meaningful way will come away with false information. If you save at the Crow Mauler bed, then try to save again, you might come to the idea that it's a limit of one save per bed instead of what it actually is (coin flip to see if the game checks for a valid encounter to spawn immediately after you wake up).
I like what the dev did with 1 and 2 but I don't think I would have if I went in blind.
But that's the point, if you don't know about a game, why do you speak as if you knew and understood everything? that's the reason for which these bad reviews were put here.
@@frapollo94 for sure, i'm just trying to see how they came to their erroneous conclusion.
It's Dark Souls community all over again...except this time, Funger is the most unfairest and Rngfest of the bunch and you have to play with a guide in order to progress in some degree.
I love your intro to the fear & hunger series xD
Thanks! I loved making it!
As someone who likes to play "difficult games" I got to admit that Fear and Hunger has to be one of fairest of those I played so far. What I mean by that, is the fact that game has very little skill based mechanics, you don't need to improve your timings or other mechanics like in Dark Souls, you don't really need that advanced strategies with like 3 possible backups, on what to do if you miss or enbemy crits like in Darkest Dungeon. All you have to do is simply learn the basic patterns of game. Idk maybe those people came to this game thinking they are going to collect candies or blitz through dungeon like in JRPG, but I came in prepared that it's going to be difficult game, so I steered away from some encounters, I knew that I will be dying. Still I learned and I realized that game is like many games, it gets easy once you realize how it works. Same can't be said about Dark Souls or Darkest Dungeon, because there you still got to have decent mechanics and there is RNG (about darkest dungeon specifically), I don't think those games are bad in any way, t hey are actually difficult games. While fear and hunger is typical, "learn it till you make it" game, even in very easy games people can get stuck on some puzzle you just don't understand. So to sum up people who make reviews like that. Question yourself you might learn.
Yeah I think your comment describes pretty well the core of the matter!
Hey man, I learned you through connordawg, I was planning to buy a game for my birthday and fear and hunger is interesting though, I wanna ask which one I should buy since there's two?
Hello there! My suggestion is
F&H1 is better with the atmosphere!
Termina is easier and has some mechanics better!
I always suggest the first more! But you decide in the end!
1:31
Correct that fish is from the episode where SpongeBob and Patrick are going door to door selling chocolate bars
FH1 & FH2 are hard only for those who don't learn from mistakes.
The game is still too easy (FH1 hard mode, FH2 maso mode) if you learn the game enough.
I think Hardcore mode in PathofExile/Diablo series are truly HARD since if you die you lose 10~1000 hours of progression.
Frap I know that its not about fear and hunger but I wan to ask how did you manage to not play library of ruina without blur i tried today and after I tap play it immediatly goes 144p I think and I searched for it online but couldnt find anything beside some comments from 3 years old hope you could help me.
That's weird, I've never edited anything in library, it just worked!
Consistency is everything I need from your content.
I actually think its interesting that I have kept playing this game even after getting a whole lot of unfair gameovers, as I’m someone who can be very impatient. While I have gotten very angry at this game several times and I have to take several regular breaks in order to stay sane, I still keep coming back. Yes, its a very cruel game. But its also so interesting to me. I also really wanna finish my current run just so that I can say that I’ve done it.
5:26 what he means is that it tell you "your caracther feels dizzy, you died from infection", dizzy like nausea xp
Yeah I didn't realize that until later!
6:38 I think he is refering to stop using your legs when you are hungry
Nausea is a feeling of sickness. Specifically feeling like one is going to vomit. Nausea specifically usually comes with feelings of dizziness. Basically the guy was complaining that the symptoms of the infection weren't obvious enough.
And I do get where he's coming from on that. My version of the game actually doesn't display the infection messages (I'm playing with zero mods and zero unofficial patches). Or, it does, but they only stay on the screen for a fraction of a second. Not long enough for me to read them. So unless he knew ahead of time to install the patch that fixes things, he might not have seen the messages at all.
I think this guy gets a pass if that was the case.
Yeah I too agree that the infection messages could have been done better! But still, after the first time you die to infection you will know what infection does! Or if you find the relative book, even before the first time!
@@frapollo94 yeah but the death probably felt cheap to him. I know it felt cheap to me because the game didn't give me infection messages. I was lucky though and had just saved so I didn't lose much progress.
People assume there are limited saves because they fail the coin flip and can't *immediately* sleep on the same bed right after the interruption.
The game tells you you "can't sleep for now because you're high on adrenaline" or something along those lines, but that bed will be unavailable until you either try sleeping on a different bed or leave the screen and come back.
Hmmmmm yeah that's maybe a possible reason!
On one of my first playthrough with Cahara on f&h difficulty, I got blessed while fighting the cave dweller to rescue D'arce:
I missed my attack on the left hand, then the cavedweller proceeded to stun me to death with his rock.
I wasn't even mad :')
PS: I also died once to a yellow mage stunlocking me with locust swarm :')
Ohhhh those are the heartwarming experience of the dungeon
I've watched maybe 30-40 videos of yours and only just realised your intro song is the theme to Drawn Together *forehead slap*
Haha yeah I love that show and I loved even more associating it forever to funger!
Frapollo i love your content of this game im from argentina and the comunity of this game practically not exist in spanish, thanks to give us more content that the wiki.
Thanks to you for the support! Without all of you this wouldn't exist!
"If all the enemies are dead, the coin flip isn't going to cause any problems"
Inconveniencing my saving with a coin flip that has no reason to happen is a whole new problem.
That's another discussion, we can talk about it, also it's not really inconveniencing, you can just sleep afterwards
@@frapollo94 The coin flip itself is an inconvenience. If you killed all the monsters on a floor, there should be no coin flip at all, or at the least still put a penalty for failing it. I actually killed all the monsters on a floor one time and failed the saving coin flip eight times in a row.
Yeah that 0.4% chance obviously can happen, but until the dev goes back to fix bugs we can just deal with it, and regardless the core of the point I wanted to discuss is still there: saves can become safe
6:38 nausea, it's just extreme lightheadedness and feeling like you want to vomit
Yeah I know what that is, I wasn't understanding why he mentioned it!
@frapollo94 symptom of infection that they wanted the developer to reference as a method of alerting the player that they're character is feeling more and more unwell is my guess, I don't agree with them personally but I think that's why they wanted it
I'm loving this game but I also lack the time at the moment to experiment and discover naturally. So I'm now playing a modded version that's a bit easier. Don't get me wrong, you can still die and mess up.
And another plus is the fact that I play it on my phone without steam link
And yes, I did buy the game on steam
I would love fi they added a field save like in fire emblem. It basically let's you save, but it closes the game and deletes when loading, letting you play short times without giving you an advantage
Boss man, I think when he said the lvl up system he is talking about using soul stones to get more skills and that it's reliant on luck to get the soul stones.
Anyway thx for the informative vid as usual.
Thanks! But once again that's false! almost ALL the soul stones in the dungeon are guaranteed! There is like more than 10 guaranteed soul stones, 2 from coinflip chests, and a vendor in mahabre which sells them for 20 coins each! (coins are luck? PINECONE PIG! Pinecone pig is luck? EMPTY SCROLL! Empty scroll is luck? GUARANTEED ONE AFTER OLD KNI-ok Imma stop sorry)
@@frapollo94 nah I get you boss man, most of the people who said that didn't go that far in the game to find the guaranteed stuff and most of them never heard of pinecone pig.
Does the level up system based on luck mean getting soul stones for the hexen table? Still not very true, but that's the best I have.
Probably that's the one !
When i was first playing this game i thought saves were limited because when i tried ro sleep when everyone was dead and failed the coin flip, the dead body of a guard showed up, and it wouldn't let me rest again. I didn't know you couls leave and come back in to sleep again, that xould be a reason as to wjy they rhink the saves are limited
I dunno, it just tells you you're feeling the adrenaline, adrenaline runs off eventually
At one point I was with the last guy about the the coin flips, mostly on the subject of saving my game, but as I spent more time playing the game I realized that if the coin flip on saving didn't exist, the game's oppressive atmosphere would take a serious hit. Your safety and comfort in this game are not a factor.
Agree with you! And that's also a reason for which I kinda dislike the safe bed in Mahabre!
When I first played this game, I was like them, but after some hours, I understood a lot, and everything made sense, and I started loving everything I love when I want to save and failed and the crow kill me because the next time I will be better with my decision. It is one of the best games I played
Can't wait for the Hitting yourself with a rock update
I think the "level up system" was referring to scrolls and such xD
Maybe! And in that case it would make even less sense saying that it's based on luck!
6:40 fever and nausea are very common symptoms of irl combat infections iirc, (nausea is where you feel like vomiting, often from dizziness or seasickness), but not shown in game.
it’s worth noting tho that the game isn’t exactly realistic as much as it is “fuck you,” that and the vomiting if implemented would make gameplay worse not better lol
Oh so he was trying to... wait... he was talking about irl stuff for possible status effects of a game? WHAT?!
@@frapollo94 he saw “haha tetanus give infection” and thought “oh so this game realistic huh?” and not “oh this game wants to fuck me over huh?”
like i said, people walk in with all sorts of bullshit assumptions lol
Man, it feels like people who refuse to explore are always keen on complaining about info not getting to them served on a plate (my friend dropped DS1 because the game doesn't tell you the lore and makes you READ it lmaoooo)
Even it my first playthrough I was able to understand that you probably shouldn't fight the dogs or pull out that sword out of the stone (the game even suggests that you probably shouldn't do that), because it's just common sense!
Yes, death surprises are very present in the game and I remember getting angry and upset because of dying a lot too, but looking back at it, it was a very fun experience and I think that exploring is what really makes it up for this game
Yeah completely agree with you! Also I pulled the sword, I knew I was gonna die, but I was curious to see how lol
Bro the game kills you if you explore
Hey idk if this is something weird to ask but i've been wanting to play funger but im worried about the nsfw in the game, idk if you've been using a mod to play it for yt but could you please share it? Thank you and sorry if this is an annoying question..
Hello there! You can download my bugfix mod which also has a censored mod in it!
frapollo94.itch.io/fear-hunger-bug-fix-mod
my hero
I'll try to cope for some of these reviewers and explain what I think they were trying to say w/ some of the weird stuff in their reviews.
For the Review at 4:55, when he said it never tells you that "You're getting feverish", I think the reviewer is saying that they wished the pop-up saying they had an infection was a lot more noticeable and prominent. They wish there was a big pop-up saying "You're getting feverish" or "You're close to collapsing from Nausea" instead of what we have now.
For the Review at 7:44, I think the "RNG level up system" he's talking about is the soul-stone skill system, I still don't really get how he think's it's RNG but like... at least that makes a little bit of sense lmao.
PS: As for an actual easy mode for F&H, I understand that a lot of people would see it as ruining the essence game but I mean like you wouldn't have to play it so It's not an overtly bad idea to get more players into the community. It could very well work in the opposite of how you explain it, someone could potentially progressively makes the game harder on themselves by increasing difficulty modes instead of making it easier through gaining knowledge. I think it all depends on what you want out of your gameplay experience. That being said though, there isn't any real NEED for a difficulty mode like that. The game is perfectly good the way it is and if you don't like it, that's on you lol.
First of all I appreciate the effort you spent into this!
The first complain as I mentioned in the video I can agree
Yeah that probably refers to soul stones, whose majority is guaranteed!
Easy mode is a more complex discussion, that's why maybe I could also dedicate a whole video about it, but if you're interested you can watch the video I mentioned of TheActMan, as I almost completely agree with him!
I'm guessing that the "random level up" is because they picked up the necronomicon, lost the coin flip, and assumed that they would have leveled up if they had won it
AHAHAHAHAH IMAGINE, got filtered by a book!
When will you make Termina content? I’m loving all the videos, it’s just Termina is my favourite out the two
Unfortunately out of the two as you may have realized I prefer this one! But one day termina will arrive!
I think the only real issue I've had with Fear and Hunger are some of the bugs.
It was very apparent though that this games vision was to be about trial and error with the unknown.
While other games have all of the statuses listed in the manual, this game would have suffered from it as it's trying to craft a particular experience.
You're very right that it's not going to be for everyone, but I think more people should give it a try (without any help/spoilers from guides) because it's an experience you don't get from a lot of games.
I absolutely agree!
Moonless has a sort of level up system with marking territory right?
Ehhh it's kind of a stretch, but even if that's the system he was referring to (which I doubt because of his playtime) it isn't random at all!
The level up system might have been referring to the Hexen table and shards
Maybe!
That first review is PRICELESS... and Two-Face approved!
I think the reason people believe there are limited saves in the game, is cause they only tried sleeping in the crow mauler bed and instead of finding other beds to sleep in they assume that’s the only bed in the game and can only save once. Just a theory tho
That's a possibility, but even then, the crow mauler isn't immortal!
@@frapollo94 He kinda is to noobs
Ngl, I get part of where the infection guy is coming from, there's no real warnings ab9ut how severe the infection has become, just about every other status effect has some form of constant reminder or regular warning, but with infection you just sorta drop dead, no warning at all besides the status effect itself.
Technically there's the message that appears for less than half a second when you change zone, but without considering that, it also tells in a book how does infection work
@@frapollo94Book is fair enough but in particular the messages pulling a disappearing act is more harmful since it removes any sense of precision unless you know exactly how many rooms you can traverse. I don't know how many limbs I've cut now because I'd rather not chance looking a few rooms ahead for meds and risking my party member dying unexpectedly cause I wasn't sure if I could go another room forward or not.
Finally, another use for the rock in my kitchen! :D
While I do understand the complaints about the lack of accessibility, I do agree that this game is absolutely catering to a specific target audience and implementing accessibility would most likely change the game at its core.
Also maybe it's just me, but I think a lot of these complaints and reviews wouldn't have been written in the first place if the people who wrote them did some research beforehand.
I personally don't buy games unless one of my friends recommended it to me, I played it myself before or I watched videos or a playthrough of it and liked it.
That way I at least have some baseline knowledge or someone with more hours in the game to talk to in case I have any questions.
It's a way to avoid immediate rage quits, wasting money and maybe you end up finding games or franchises that are interesting but maybe not your cup of tea entirely - In my case I don't exactly like horror games, so instead of playing things like FNAF, Chilla's Art Games, Dredge or Signalis, I can watch streamers do it and potentially search for lore or explanation videos online if I crave more content and insight into the games.
I think I agree with almost everything you wrote!
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You know what, that's fair xD
I'm pretty sure a lot of people wouldn't dream of going with such an approach because they absolutely do not want to see spoilers and experience the game as is.
Honestly the only thing in terms of 'accessibility' I can think of is offering a short spoiler-free video on the type of games Fear & Hunger and Termina are.
By that I don't mean explaining the combat system or status inflictions or anything, but the fact that it is a 'fuck around and find out that's what makes it fun'-type of game.
F.e. mentioning that some encounters are meant to teach the players lessons, the game doesn't give as much insight into certain mechanics on purpose, it's something you're supposed to gain mastery by yourself.
I don't know if such a video exists yet, but it might at least prevent some people to get into the game with misplaced expectations and then rant about their misery in the reviews.
For me infection would always kill me if I tried to move the the next screen from the one I got infected in...
What? You serious? If you're serious that's a bug and needs more testing
@@frapollo94Yea I'm pretty sure that's how it worked every time, I never looked the mechanic up on the wiki and this is the first time I've heard about 7 area changes. Fortunately I always had enough green herbs and never had to cut any limbs off. How would you test something like this?
the hit yourself in the head with a rock game sounds like ragnvaldr chains of torment only run
the cooperate comunity is the best part of the game for me, together the hell is a little bit soft, every bunch of shared information probably make the same differences that a drop of water in the desert, but increase the hope.
Completely agree with you! Interacting with the community is a part I like too!
I love this series of bad reviews, i need MORE
I may have already another episode ready...
My favorite love story is Cahara X Guard
That's canon
A lot of this game reviews make (some) slightls bit of sense if you take them from the point of view of someone wanting to play a jrpg where you kill every enemy, and hard boss fights get solved by good old grinding and leveling, and not from the point of view of an immersive survival horror mixed with jrpg elements as a turn based combat system.
That's true, but there is a reason for which when I play idk sekiro I don't play like if I was playing super mario!
The game gives you tools to figure out that you don't want to do that
When he says level up system based on luck, he means you can get game-changing items from rng like arm guards, that might _feel necessary_ to a new player.
Hmmm yeah that's a possibility!
level up system based on luck means soul stones. a lot of souls stones are dependend on rng and if you have bad rng you get a lot less skills.
I disagree! The Rng soul stones are like 2 in the whole dungeon! The majority is guaranteed!
Have I told you you have such a banger intro?
Awww thanks!
a lot of people don't like when dying is a natural part of the game. i play overwatch and even if a team is winning HARD, i've seen them throw the entire match because they lost 1 team fight and will instantly turn on each other. there are people who are fans of the rougelike/lite genre and like run-based things, but there are people who just have a mental block with dying in any capacity. even in my game where they have no problem sending a dozen people back to spawn before they get got once.
Oh I think I see what you mean, in a similar way for which some games tend to literally carry the player on a golden pillow preventing them from dying almost always!
@@frapollo94 i think it's the natural gut reaction of death = failure , and that's when the emotions go off the rails regardless of the context of the death
3:00 I bet this guy has every FromSoft games in his library
How many hours in total do you have in Fear and hunger Frapolito?
Currently over 1100 iirc!
@@frapollo94jesus
1.5 hour rage review: this person vehemently despises roguelites, and seeing them become popular, decided to vent their anger on funger (a guess, but i’ve been known to have uncannily lucky guesses sometimes. bets?)
funger compared to say eclipse 8 ror2 or the harder ships in ftl fits in perfectly.
how many people here have even played ftl? man, i feel old…
I don't even know what ftl is honestly!
@@frapollo94 fuuuuuuuck, it’s just a game literally called FTL, you can find it on english youtube, at least
To be completely fair to the guy mentioning no way of countering the coin flip attacks, If the attack removes an arm, and you block with your arm, youd reasonably think itd still remove an arm
Though yea, most people play these sorts of games, mainly rpg's, by just brite forcing with no strategy. Your talk about certain games being for certain people is something i believe so many people should hear however.
I originally saw a few youtube shorts on this game and got interested, then ended up finding your channel and have so far watched every Fear and Hunger video youve made from now to whem this video was made, definitiely xonvincing me to give it a try even though i definitely am worried about the time investment and difficulty. Im not sure if you had made a video yet, but itd be nice for you to make a video thats an early game player guide, basically no spoiling later game content and basically helps understand/explain concepts that the game does not or does not in a good way, explain yp the player
I'm thinking again about all coinflip attacks in the game, and I don't remember a single one which cuts arms!
hmmmm an early game player guide, I think the one in which I discuss new player stuff could be the "should you play fear & hunger" video!
Cool video but why were you confused with nausea?
I didn't realize what he meant with that phrase in that moment!
Oh god... how many S ending runs ended because of rock smash...
Cave Dwellers on their way to prevent the 99th rag s ending