Players that need a system built around them are intimidating to a lot of teams. Because John Harbaugh was a former Special Teams Coordinator, he really isn't tied to any specific offensive scheme so he can be much more dynamic with he player selections. I think it's a shining example of why so many coaches, though great, don't last. If you need a certain type of player to make your system work, you're effed if you don't have them. If your Harbaugh, you just get the players, THEN the coaches.
Love the revisionist view of these drafts! Looking mocks, nobody can spot the busts, it’s all good news! Drafting is insanely difficult, thanks for doing these breakdowns!
The highest EPA play in the NFl since 2020 is a handoff to Rashaad Penny. He averages more YPC than anyone else since the NFL merger with more than 200 career carries. Dude was a stud, would have been a superstar if he didnt keep getting hurt. You want a bad seattle pick that in 2019 with Collier, not penny. He was electric when he was healthy . Yes there was a reason they drafted Walker- Carson retired.
LVE his rookie year was a stud. Sucks injuries plagued him after that. When he was finally healthy last season, he was a difference maker. Hopefully he can stay healthy and be solid for a few more years
I would have given those F’s with short bursts of “not bust” a D+ and Ragnow an A (time missed, not production as high as other A+’s like Lamar Jackson and Justin Jefferson), but overall solid grades!
allowing a single sack in the last 2200 pass blocks is absolutely an A+ for a center drafted towards the end of the 1st, and he's only missed most of 1 season, lamar Jackson has actually missed more, so that argument doesn't even make sense truth is, if ragnow played for any other team he'd likely have 3 or 4 all pros and people would be talking about how likely it would be he'd be a hall of famer, he's been that dominant. the lions just sucked that entire time so people don't really care
I’m watching this now after LVE just retired due to all his injuries. Good player even though he was a cowboy. Grade could be changed because they aren’t getting the extra seasons out of him but regardless he did have a short but good career.
I like your grade for Sony Michel, everyone brings up how the pats should have taken either nick Chubb or Lamar Jackson. Here’s the thing- if we took Chubb, belichick would have absolutely not re-signed him to a second contract. If the patriots took him, even though he is a far better player, there’s no guarantee that he would have been able to do what Michel did in that playoff run, so I wouldn’t change the past for that reason. Same goes to Jackson, the pats would have their qb right now, but he would have had to spend multiple years on the bench behind Brady, and the contract situation wouldn’t be far off from what it is now, considering how Tom Brady infamously took lower contracts to keep the team together. There’s no guarantee we’d be able to get 5+ years from either of those players, and considering the pats won a Super Bowl in that time frame (the roster itself was only a real contender in 2018-2019), I wouldn’t change that pick in retrospect
For me Redley is an A just if you look at his production. He had some Mental Health problems which also leaded to the Gambling/Suspension case and i am pretty sure this year he will come back even stronger as before and we will see great production with the Jax.
When he went down again early last season, it just felt inevitable and I hope he bounces back with the Eagles. Hopefully Walker can avoid the injuries that plagued Penny & Carson.
Well Hayden production was only hampered because he played with 2 freak of nature tight ends. Bro would have been very productive anywhere else as well saw with the bengals this year
I wouldn’t give Penny an F, if we hasn’t so injury prone I could see him as a top 10 back in the league by pure talent. I’d give it a D+ because the Seahawks saw the talent but missed the injuries. (This is from a titans fan)
Like I said about the 2019 draft, as a Pitt fan this was another one of Kevin Colbert’s weaker drafts. As the only player that is still a starter on the team is Chukwuma Okorafor at RT and he isn’t an elite RT. The other players James Washington left for cowboys but got cut before even taking a snap in 2022, Mason Rudolph doesn’t want to backup Kenny Pickett or Mitch Trubisky anymore in Pitt and worst of all the disappointment of Terrell Edmunds in the 1st round after RYAN SHAZIER WALKED to announce his draft selection. Edmunds was a great duo with Minkah and is starting caliber, but obviously never lived up to the 1st round selection. I think Kevin Colbert was one of the best GMs of the 21st century, but both the 2019 and 2018 draft were signs that he should probably retire. At least the 2019 draft he got us Diontae Johnson. But yet again the only thing we got from the 2018 draft is Chuks. EDIT: all Pitt fans loved how a available he was as he barely missed a game and was probably the most healthy player on the team. However when your a 1st round pick, announced as a Steeler by Ryan Shazier and joining the Steelers, that had Troy Polamalu go to the HOF, high expectations are for the player.
You can't really give Derwin an A+ after 5 years. Regardless of his skill/production before and after his injuries, he was still injured for nearly 2 full seasons. That's almost 40% of his career so far where a first round pick was doing nothing for his team. Now in another 5 years if Derwin stays healthy, then yeah, give him in A+ since those 2nd and 3rd years were clearly a fluke. If he gets more injuries though and maintains an availability of a little of 60% of games, as good a player he is, you can't justify any higher than a B.
When healthy, he was great, he just wasn't healthy very often. As a Seahawk fan, I wouldn't rate what we got as higher than a D grade, as he was no more than an occasional starter after backing up a 7th rounder in Chris Carson, and I won't argue with the value of the pick being assessed as an F.
140 yards passing a game average and missing almost a full season over the last two but yeah he won an mvp of his only season he has thrown over 3000 yards. He's a C- grade maybe that defense carries him.
I don't feel like * (29) #90TavenBryan* is a bust, I feel he is a victim on the *"3-4"* defensive scheme that is designed for the Inside and Outside linebackers to get as many sacks, *#90TavenBryan* in the *"3-4"* defensive scheme, is to protect against the run, so you wouldn't judge his performance on how many sacks, he got, but how many tackles, tackles for lost and fumble recoveries and pass deflections he made. It's very rare that a *"3-4"* defensive end get double digits sacks per year, but not impossible. Total tackles: *104* Sacks: *8.5* Forced fumbles: *1* Pass deflections: *2* #90TavenBryan should do better in a *"4-3"* defensive scheme, which the Browns used in *2022,* and his new team, the Colts will be using in *2023* season.
I was a Lamar Jackson hater when he was coming outta Louisville but I have since come completely around on him. I still do not think that he's the best thrower of the football but he's still got a crazy good record as a starter with Baltimore... I'm a Cardinals fan and I never thought I'd say this but I seriously think that I'd take him over Kyler Murray in a heartbeat💓 as of right now... I'm sure about 85%-95% of you would also agree ...right?
Funny enough QBs in the 2020 draft had more success then the QBs in the 2018 draft. And 2 of them are “supposedly” top 5 in the league. Which I don’t know if they are now.
He’s not grading the player he’s grading the draft pick, 66 percent of first round picks don’t even end up as perrential stsrters , Lamar is not a great qb , but he’s a solid to good qb, and when a first round pick gives you 5 years of service and wins 75 percent of their games, it’s a sucefful draft pick , considered the draft is a casino
Overall, one of your better efforts-and there have been many very good ones. My only problem, and this is not the first time I have it, is I think you are too generous on handing out A+’s. I think no draft pick was close to being as good as Jackson, so I don’t think any pick should receive the same grade.
A c for drafting an mvp, with 75 percent winning record , perennial starter for 5 years , multiple playoff appearances. Lol dawg 2/3rds of 1st round picks aren’t even starters. Lamar may not be a top ten qb but the service he provided for a low first round pick was worth the value, and I’m a ravens fan who believe Lamar isn’t worth what he thinks he is and I’m open to trading him
@@EGuala21 nah not even close, we have better coaching, better front office , better o line, better running game, better tight end. Bears have been one of the worst franchises past 20 years, ravens have a dominant playoff franchise record before Lamar
@@SulfuricPro if they did they wouldn’t have been 4-7 when he was supposed to be sitting out learning his first yr. Instead he came in and won 6 straight to make playoffs then won the first playoff game. They’ve relied on him to save their ass every season since then. When he went out last yr they didn’t score a touchdown for 6 straight games but was in first place in the division before he went out. It’s plain and simple he’s so good they don’t feel they need to add help. And they are holding him hostage cause they know they’ll have the #1 pick next yr if he doesn’t plag
The Superbowl is the main objective of players in the NFL. All the individual stats and awards means the team around the individual were/are good. In the case of Lamar, Superbowl wins=0, playoff record 1-3! This guy would get a grade from me of a B-.
You’ve clearly never played athletics at a high level. Winning is a team accomplishment but everyone is trying to be the best at at their position. They care about all pros/mvps. You can’t control team success but you can control your own play.
It’s actually the opposite. You need a complete team to make a Super Bowl period. No matter how good you are you can win in the regular season it’s 32 teams. In the playoffs it’s 14 teams, outta those maybe 4 are squeaking in. The other 10 are solid complete teams. And 1 person isn’t winning a game in the playoffs by himself.
Burrow has a super team Josh Allen and Herbert all have super teams yet can’t win shit, that’s more telling than a team that plays a fullback 62% of the snaps in 2022
Lamar Jackson is a fair D grade every single time: A quitter, selfish, injury prone, salary cap issue, greedy beyond any help, an average NFL passer on per play basis efficiency for long term starting QBs. His MVP season was a outlier (otherwise this "QB" was a clear cut F grade), thus helping his career stats for now, but not much longer. Additionally, he cant hit targets further than 10 yards down the field. Once he gets a step slower, this guy will completely fall off.
God bless! Jesus Christ is King and saves and is the way! Psalms 62 - "Truly my soul finds rest in God; my salvation comes from him. Truly he is my rock and my salvation; he is my fortress, I will never be shaken." ✝🤍💪 Jeremiah 29:11 - "For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future."✝🤍💪
Cant, simply cant give a F grade to a RB with the best ever career YPC. You calculate injuries into the grade? Ok, good. But still no F... but, but, but Lamar Jackson by this rule is an F-.
“The 1970 draft is 53 years into their career” I swear someday I will bear that
1970 draft….I’ll take ome swing. Jim plunket maybe
6:27 “The Falcons took a gamble…” didn’t have it do him like that lol
They’ll be saying that about Jameson Williams in a few years 💀
I didn’t see your post and thought I was the only one who noticed it lmao
@@CalebWinfield-pg5bl great minds think alike lol
“Took a gamble” on Calvin Ridley😭😭
🤣🤣🤣
Ozzie Newsome’s parting gift to the Ravens when HE retired. He has to go down as one of top front office executives in NFL history.
Thank you for doing Lamar justice. People willingly forget his accomplishments
I still don't understand how Lamar Jackson fell to 32, over Sam Darnold AND Josh Rosen
Wish my Cardinals took him at 10, sat him for a year. And took Nick Bosa or even Quinnen Williams first overall.
Running backs in round 1 is a dying breed
Players that need a system built around them are intimidating to a lot of teams. Because John Harbaugh was a former Special Teams Coordinator, he really isn't tied to any specific offensive scheme so he can be much more dynamic with he player selections. I think it's a shining example of why so many coaches, though great, don't last. If you need a certain type of player to make your system work, you're effed if you don't have them. If your Harbaugh, you just get the players, THEN the coaches.
Josh Rosen is a generational talent of course he went over Lamar
Literally every analyst said Rosen was the safest pick. Aged well.
Love the revisionist view of these drafts! Looking mocks, nobody can spot the busts, it’s all good news! Drafting is insanely difficult, thanks for doing these breakdowns!
The highest EPA play in the NFl since 2020 is a handoff to Rashaad Penny. He averages more YPC than anyone else since the NFL merger with more than 200 career carries. Dude was a stud, would have been a superstar if he didnt keep getting hurt. You want a bad seattle pick that in 2019 with Collier, not penny. He was electric when he was healthy . Yes there was a reason they drafted Walker- Carson retired.
LVE his rookie year was a stud. Sucks injuries plagued him after that. When he was finally healthy last season, he was a difference maker. Hopefully he can stay healthy and be solid for a few more years
I would have given those F’s with short bursts of “not bust” a D+ and Ragnow an A (time missed, not production as high as other A+’s like Lamar Jackson and Justin Jefferson), but overall solid grades!
allowing a single sack in the last 2200 pass blocks is absolutely an A+ for a center drafted towards the end of the 1st, and he's only missed most of 1 season, lamar Jackson has actually missed more, so that argument doesn't even make sense
truth is, if ragnow played for any other team he'd likely have 3 or 4 all pros and people would be talking about how likely it would be he'd be a hall of famer, he's been that dominant. the lions just sucked that entire time so people don't really care
I’m watching this now after LVE just retired due to all his injuries. Good player even though he was a cowboy. Grade could be changed because they aren’t getting the extra seasons out of him but regardless he did have a short but good career.
As a Seahawks fan rashaad penny is like a C+
I like your grade for Sony Michel, everyone brings up how the pats should have taken either nick Chubb or Lamar Jackson. Here’s the thing- if we took Chubb, belichick would have absolutely not re-signed him to a second contract. If the patriots took him, even though he is a far better player, there’s no guarantee that he would have been able to do what Michel did in that playoff run, so I wouldn’t change the past for that reason. Same goes to Jackson, the pats would have their qb right now, but he would have had to spend multiple years on the bench behind Brady, and the contract situation wouldn’t be far off from what it is now, considering how Tom Brady infamously took lower contracts to keep the team together. There’s no guarantee we’d be able to get 5+ years from either of those players, and considering the pats won a Super Bowl in that time frame (the roster itself was only a real contender in 2018-2019), I wouldn’t change that pick in retrospect
michel stunk running backs grow on trees you can get a starting rb undrafted if you really felt like it. His best year being 931 yards is a joke.
Very excited for part 2! I remember being furious when my Bucs picked Vita Vea over Derwin…the last 5 years have kinda changed my perspective
For me Redley is an A just if you look at his production. He had some Mental Health problems which also leaded to the Gambling/Suspension case and i am pretty sure this year he will come back even stronger as before and we will see great production with the Jax.
The Rashad Penny grade is very questionable
4:44 never forget Terrell Edmunds was drafted while taking a Sh!t
I love this series
Friendly reminder that we all love your videos homie!
Alexander, Derwin, and Ragnow I would all give A's. I think A+ should be more exclusive, like hitting on an MVP QB at pick 32.
Correct me if I’m wrong isn’t rashad penny really good but ruined by injury
When he went down again early last season, it just felt inevitable and I hope he bounces back with the Eagles. Hopefully Walker can avoid the injuries that plagued Penny & Carson.
Yep
Fire video🔥🔥
"I'll be grading picks 256 to 232 today, starting with Mr. Irrelevant"
Just wanted to say i’m glad u are finally releasing these videos in this order. Love the content and analysis as always!
Dang in 2018 I was 13 and now in 2023 I'm almost 18 time flies bro
Solid display of math
But how old were you in 2028
Time do be like that
@Kenny Toce thank you bro it's easy 2023-2018= is 5 so from 2018 to 2023 is a 5 year gap
@@Soylent2024 23 brother
If Hayden Hurst is a B pick for the trade return, Billy Price should be like a C-, but other than that good evaluations
Grading the 1987 Draft 36 Years Later
Well Hayden production was only hampered because he played with 2 freak of nature tight ends. Bro would have been very productive anywhere else as well saw with the bengals this year
Lamar just needs to stay healthy. If he does he could be a hall of famer
As always thanks for the spicy content! 🙏🏻
I wouldn’t give Penny an F, if we hasn’t so injury prone I could see him as a top 10 back in the league by pure talent. I’d give it a D+ because the Seahawks saw the talent but missed the injuries. (This is from a titans fan)
Yea for a 6 game stretch he was the best back in the league. I'd give him like a D because he showed what he was capable of
Like I said about the 2019 draft, as a Pitt fan this was another one of Kevin Colbert’s weaker drafts. As the only player that is still a starter on the team is Chukwuma Okorafor at RT and he isn’t an elite RT. The other players James Washington left for cowboys but got cut before even taking a snap in 2022, Mason Rudolph doesn’t want to backup Kenny Pickett or Mitch Trubisky anymore in Pitt and worst of all the disappointment of Terrell Edmunds in the 1st round after RYAN SHAZIER WALKED to announce his draft selection. Edmunds was a great duo with Minkah and is starting caliber, but obviously never lived up to the 1st round selection. I think Kevin Colbert was one of the best GMs of the 21st century, but both the 2019 and 2018 draft were signs that he should probably retire. At least the 2019 draft he got us Diontae Johnson. But yet again the only thing we got from the 2018 draft is Chuks.
EDIT: all Pitt fans loved how a available he was as he barely missed a game and was probably the most healthy player on the team. However when your a 1st round pick, announced as a Steeler by Ryan Shazier and joining the Steelers, that had Troy Polamalu go to the HOF, high expectations are for the player.
I am not sure if D. Johnson has a td reception yet. If he does I'm sure he has more drops than tds.
Skol! hopefully we get that corner this year.
Penny getting a F and michell getting a C?
Ait, at what point are you gonna have your own Network Channel/Podcast so that we can hear your fire content every day?
The first piece of Patreon content was released today! The link is in the description 😁
You can't really give Derwin an A+ after 5 years. Regardless of his skill/production before and after his injuries, he was still injured for nearly 2 full seasons. That's almost 40% of his career so far where a first round pick was doing nothing for his team.
Now in another 5 years if Derwin stays healthy, then yeah, give him in A+ since those 2nd and 3rd years were clearly a fluke. If he gets more injuries though and maintains an availability of a little of 60% of games, as good a player he is, you can't justify any higher than a B.
Rashaad penny being an F makes me question your football knowledge a bit
When healthy, he was great, he just wasn't healthy very often. As a Seahawk fan, I wouldn't rate what we got as higher than a D grade, as he was no more than an occasional starter after backing up a 7th rounder in Chris Carson, and I won't argue with the value of the pick being assessed as an F.
If he cant stay on the field no matter the talent, what good is he?
Taven Bryan is fitting that he went to Jacksonville since he was a JAG Just Another Guy 😏
Great video
Pls do 2022 second round 1 year later
W vid by the certified goat
For me Rashaad Penny is an A+ grade because it made us draft Kenneth Walker
140 yards passing a game average and missing almost a full season over the last two but yeah he won an mvp of his only season he has thrown over 3000 yards. He's a C- grade maybe that defense carries him.
I don't feel like * (29) #90TavenBryan* is a bust, I feel he is a victim on the *"3-4"* defensive scheme that is designed for the Inside and Outside linebackers to get as many sacks, *#90TavenBryan* in the *"3-4"* defensive scheme, is to protect against the run, so you wouldn't judge his performance on how many sacks, he got, but how many tackles, tackles for lost and fumble recoveries and pass deflections he made.
It's very rare that a *"3-4"* defensive end get double digits sacks per year, but not impossible.
Total tackles: *104*
Sacks: *8.5*
Forced fumbles: *1*
Pass deflections: *2*
#90TavenBryan should do better in a *"4-3"* defensive scheme, which the Browns used in *2022,* and his new team, the Colts will be using in *2023* season.
6:26 I see what you did there 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
6:26 I see what you did there 😂
Rangnow is the definition of a war daddy
LETS GO PANTHERS!!! DJ MOORE GOT AN A!!
I was a Lamar Jackson hater when he was coming outta Louisville but I have since come completely around on him. I still do not think that he's the best thrower of the football but he's still got a crazy good record as a starter with Baltimore... I'm a Cardinals fan and I never thought I'd say this but I seriously think that I'd take him over Kyler Murray in a heartbeat💓 as of right now... I'm sure about 85%-95% of you would also agree
...right?
You said Lamar isn’t a good thrower, your whole opinion is out the window at that point
Talk about Lamar’s playoff record, all that regular season stats but yet nothing to show for
Funny enough QBs in the 2020 draft had more success then the QBs in the 2018 draft. And 2 of them are “supposedly” top 5 in the league. Which I don’t know if they are now.
He’s not grading the player he’s grading the draft pick, 66 percent of first round picks don’t even end up as perrential stsrters , Lamar is not a great qb , but he’s a solid to good qb, and when a first round pick gives you 5 years of service and wins 75 percent of their games, it’s a sucefful draft pick , considered the draft is a casino
And he was drafted in the 30s whereas you had dude like darn old in the top 5 and top 10 who haven’t even had a winning record
Talk about Herbert and Allen’s playoff record with stacked rosters.
Bra put a ? on lamar like it could be anything other than an A+ 😂 Love it man
You say Josh Allen is a “franchise ruining pick” but Lamar Jackson is a bonafide A+ pick? 😂💀
Allen was far & away the best player from this draft
False 😂 what are his accomplishments? Don’t worry I’ll wait 😭
What’s the name of the song @ 7:32?
Lamar is going to slow down.I would only give him a 3 year deal
That’s what he’s worth but he won’t take it
Burrow has missed more games and has played a yr less but keep running your mouth
Ridley a B but Leighton Van an A-??
Because of the suspension. He even said Ridley should be an A if it was based on production alone.
Any player still in the League is not an F… come on man!
Overall, one of your better efforts-and there have been many very good ones. My only problem, and this is not the first time I have it, is I think you are too generous on handing out A+’s. I think no draft pick was close to being as good as Jackson, so I don’t think any pick should receive the same grade.
If he was ranking players in the draft against each other you might have a point...
Honestly, I like your information, very thorough! However you need to get help on your grading system… It is horrible.
A lot of fs this draft haha
I cackled at the Calvin Ridley intro lmao, great video!
Lamar C
A c for drafting an mvp, with 75 percent winning record , perennial starter for 5 years , multiple playoff appearances. Lol dawg 2/3rds of 1st round picks aren’t even starters. Lamar may not be a top ten qb but the service he provided for a low first round pick was worth the value, and I’m a ravens fan who believe Lamar isn’t worth what he thinks he is and I’m open to trading him
@@SulfuricPro Lamar is a top 10 qb his supporting cast is worse than the bears. The ravens are a 4 win team at best without him
@@EGuala21 nah not even close, we have better coaching, better front office , better o line, better running game, better tight end. Bears have been one of the worst franchises past 20 years, ravens have a dominant playoff franchise record before Lamar
@@SulfuricPro if they did they wouldn’t have been 4-7 when he was supposed to be sitting out learning his first yr. Instead he came in and won 6 straight to make playoffs then won the first playoff game. They’ve relied on him to save their ass every season since then. When he went out last yr they didn’t score a touchdown for 6 straight games but was in first place in the division before he went out. It’s plain and simple he’s so good they don’t feel they need to add help. And they are holding him hostage cause they know they’ll have the #1 pick next yr if he doesn’t plag
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This comment was prolly the highlight of ur day
Lamar is overhyped he hasn’t done anything since 2019 as a cowboy hater dak > lamar
Lamar sucks bro, just accept it
The Superbowl is the main objective of players in the NFL. All the individual stats and awards means the team around the individual were/are good. In the case of Lamar, Superbowl wins=0, playoff record 1-3! This guy would get a grade from me of a B-.
You’ve clearly never played athletics at a high level. Winning is a team accomplishment but everyone is trying to be the best at at their position. They care about all pros/mvps. You can’t control team success but you can control your own play.
It’s actually the opposite. You need a complete team to make a Super Bowl period. No matter how good you are you can win in the regular season it’s 32 teams. In the playoffs it’s 14 teams, outta those maybe 4 are squeaking in. The other 10 are solid complete teams. And 1 person isn’t winning a game in the playoffs by himself.
Burrow has a super team Josh Allen and Herbert all have super teams yet can’t win shit, that’s more telling than a team that plays a fullback 62% of the snaps in 2022
Lamar Jackson is a fair D grade every single time:
A quitter, selfish, injury prone, salary cap issue, greedy beyond any help, an average NFL passer on per play basis efficiency for long term starting QBs. His MVP season was a outlier (otherwise this "QB" was a clear cut F grade), thus helping his career stats for now, but not much longer. Additionally, he cant hit targets further than 10 yards down the field. Once he gets a step slower, this guy will completely fall off.
God bless! Jesus Christ is King and saves and is the way! Psalms 62 - "Truly my soul finds rest in God; my salvation comes from him. Truly he is my rock and my salvation; he is my fortress, I will never be shaken." ✝🤍💪 Jeremiah 29:11 - "For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future."✝🤍💪
Cant, simply cant give a F grade to a RB with the best ever career YPC. You calculate injuries into the grade? Ok, good. But still no F... but, but, but Lamar Jackson by this rule is an F-.