Trek Verve+ 3 Review - $3k
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- čas přidán 13. 07. 2024
- The 3rd generation of Trek's popular Verve+ electric bike maintains the excellent quality of previous models while providing more power and range, supported by a large network of dealers and available in a wide range of size and frame options. Excellent craftsmanship and tuning showcase Trek's prowess in bicycle manufacturing, accessories are seamlessly integrated and easy to operate thanks to always-on lights and the simplicity of the Bosch Purion display, ready for commuting with a MIK-compatible rack, full-length fenders, and a suspension seatpost. The electrical system has upgraded to the Bosch Active Line Plus motor along with a seamlessly integrated PowerTube 500 battery, with excellent range and responsive performance and the option to add an additional 400wh of battery capacity with the Bosch Range Boost system. No way to use walk mode or turn off the lights due to safety concerns, bottle cage bosses are nice to have but utilizing them may prevent removing the battery, the charging port is positioned near the left crank and thus more vulnerable to accidental damage.
0:00 Introduction
0:38 Comparison to Verve+ 2
3:42 Dealer Tradeoffs
6:04 Accessories
9:41 Control System
14:58 Motor
18:22 Battery
21:17 Frame
22:18 Drivetrain
24:03 Contact Points & Ergonomics
26:56 Riding Without Assistance
29:05 Riding With Assistance
32:36 Riding Past 20MPH
34:42 Ride Feel & Comfort
37:52 More Information
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6:04 Accessories overview
9:41 Control system, 14:58 Motor, 18:22 Battery
26:56 Ride test begins, 29:05 Motor closeups, 34:42 Ride comfort discussion
Great Review : Although You looked like a Giant on the Small Frame Size : I currently Own a NON Electric Trek Verve 3 Debating Between this and the Allaint +7 . Which Trek informs me The Quill Steering Tube supported in The Verve is an Option available after Purchase for the Alliant > I'm 6' 1" My Current Verve is L . I would likely go XL with a New Bike : Have you ridden an Alliant+7 to compare the Motor with the Verve +3 ? You seemed to have no issues getting to the 20 MPH : I average 30 mile rides 3 Times weekly :
At 64 years old There are rides where I wish I had some extra energy : Especially this time of Year when the Wind in your face really effects your cadence : Again Great Review
Could this bike be modded, as far as battery, controller, or firmware via the display?
Is this rain proof????
This is a very thorough and detailed review. I’ve purchased the Trek Verve+3 at the beginning of pandemic. This is the second Trek bike I’ve owned. I’m having so much fun riding my ebike in the wine country backroads and hills. Thanks for all the great info, suggestions and tips. You’re an awesome speaker and reviewer! 🚴🏽♀️🚴🏼🚴🏼♂️ 🥰
Thank you so much! Glad you are enjoying your bike :D
I love my verve 3. I’m 62 and went from couch to 26.75 miles in 1 day. It is just enough assist without letting the bike do all the work (like using a throttle). Also, there IS walk assist (turn on the power, put the bike in eco mode, press the walk button on the bottom of the controller and immediately press the “+” button.). One more thing, my gears do not make any clunking noise when shifting; I think that bike just needed adjusting. Thanks for the video!! 😊
Have you ridden any on dirt roads or trails? Just mild ones. He made out that this was for pavement only! But the Verve 3 regular bike is considered a hybrid with some off road potential.
Me too! I’m 56 and got my first e-bike (verve + 3) in 2020 just after the pandemic hit. I went from couch to 15-17 miles daily! I LOVE it! I enjoy the walk assist as well. The only down side is the weight of the bike. I’ve fallen twice on it and sadly tore a tendon on the inside of my right knee from the bike falling on top of me and my leg twisting. (What caused the fall was actually taking a turn onto a street where some water was running and as soon as both tires hit the water the bike slid right out from under me! Ouch!) *I decided to purchase some tires that have tread over the entire surface of the tire instead of the stock tires that have no tread in the center of each tire. Good news is I’m fully back on my bike and riding daily again! I would definitely purchase this same bike again! Nice review!
@@mjulia9214 what is the actieradius .do you npw what 2 accu we can use?,
I am a Trekker and I went into the search for an ebike saying I am going to stay away from Trek. I’ve demo’ed 8-10 different ebikes and none knocked my socks off. I rented a Verve 2+ to do the D&L Lower Gorge Trail in Jim Thorpe PA and I was immediately impressed. We rode 38 miles mostly in eco mode and occasionally in touring mode and I knew I had to buy one. Loved the ride, the saddle, felt comfortable and stable, with no reservations. Your review is spot on from my experience.
Great review. I’m planning to buy an ebike this year and this model is on my short list. Very helpful. Thanks so much for the detail.
Having a dealer that knows about electric issues is a plus.
This is a very comprehensive review, thanks!
Good review. We have owned our Verve+ 3 eBikes for 2 years. Definitely buy optional Velocare warranty as these eBikes are high maintenance. And they are now $3299.
I just bought a Trek Verve+S4 E-Bike, and I am loving it. Coming from a trek verve 3 standard bike, the upgrade was very simple. I love the assist on it, especially when riding into a headwind. Even though this video covers an older model of the verve Ebike, there was enough in common with what I’m writing now to make it very useful to me. 👍🚲 would love to see you do a similar video reviewing the. Trek Verve +S4.
The Verve+ 4 is the class 3, 28 mph version right? How large is the battery on that one? Is it also 500 Wh?
Love the Video. I just purchased the Verve +3 and wish I had reviewed this video first! Wrist pain from a break 9 mos ago, ouch!
Great review. Excellent information! Thank you!
I'm currently looking to buy an electric bike and this make/model is on my short list. This was an excellent review! Thank you.
Well done. I can't believe I actually watched the whole thing! It says something.
I’ve also test ridden the Verve 3 and can vouch for its comfortable ride, especially the seat. Many bike seats are not very comfortable for long rides and are often torturous. I don’t see any virtue in suffering to be “Macho” here. Not only is the Verve 3 seat wide enough for good butt support, it also features a deep channel in the middle that really helps us males for prostate comfort. Then the lightweightness as described is truly worthwhile - the eBike I own is nearly 75 lbs. without any accessories! This makes for much harder pedaling should you run out of battery, making it almost battery dependent. The downsides to the Verve 3 for me is the speed limiter at 20 mph. I often ride between 20-25 mph and it’s frustrating to feel a definite drag just before you reach 20 mph. It almost feels Ike the bike is resisting you unless you are on a downhill run. The eBike I have came set at 20 mph assist but I was able to change it to 25. Other than that, this is a fantastic eBike and the option to add a second battery for long distant rides is super! Oh, and the motor is truly very quiet and responsive. Thanks for the great review!
How were u able to change it to 25mph assist. I just got the 2021 verve+ 3 model and 20 dous seem slow
@@dustigin , Inquiry minds would like to know ?
Excellent detailed video! Thanks! Please be careful holding that camera. Maybe mount one on your chest and on the handlebar looking back at you and maybe even the seat to show the drive train. You do such a great job holding your train of thought and having good things to say through the ride. Anyone who watched this video would feel confident to try this bike. Great job!
This is the most detailed review I have ever seen on Utube! Thank you!
We do our best to be thorough, ebikes are expensive so we try to cover everything we can as if we were about to buy one. Check the site too, we list all of the specs and have some comparison tools. Here's the Trek Verve+ 3 electricbikereview.com/trek/verve-plus-3/
I'm looking for reviews on the Releigh Cadent , no such luck.
Thanks.
One of the most complete and detailed reviews ever, and I wish I had seen it sooner! I have to admit they are very reliable. I ride with friends who have version 2, and no issues. Does this version have a working brake light? V2 did not, and it's a glaring omission, especially on group rides.
Excellent review, but not much change...except motor, battery and wheels....you are a funny guy 😀 I just bought one for my wife and for me. Should come in January 👍👍
I just got the 2021 verve+ 3 and it has the walk mode and you can turn off the lights which I like. So far it's been nice and hills are a breeze. Good bike overall
I just purchased the +2 at a local bike shop and I love everything about it
Sweet! So glad to hear that Stephanie. It seems like finding these for sale has become difficult, because they're so popular.
Great review. Thanks
I just ordered one today - your review was great :-)
How long are they quoting you for it to be delivered?
@@gosman949 March
@@AndyKuiper2 you are lucky. Maybe the electric bikes or in less demand than the regular bikes.
Late to this but how has it been for you Andy ? Do you still ride it ?
Quick acceleration, good built quality & fully featured e-bike that delivers for the price!
I've recently taken interest in getting my first e-bike and I was wondering whether the Macwheel Ranger 500 would be a good first ?
Great video. I just ordered the +2. Rode a friends. Really liked it. Nice to see the difference. Theanks
Did you get it yet? I bet not.
Since I do have wrist and knee issues, which trek bike with you recommend?
I know the price is much more than a Rad or Ride1Up but a mid-drive motor can be worth the extra money. I have the 700 Series from Ride1Up and the Liv Amiti E +4 which is a mid drive and the difference is significant. A good mid-drive system is superior to a hub motor. A torque sensor on a hub can help but still doesn’t provide the more natural riding experience a mid-drive can deliver. There are cheaper mid-drives out there. Trek is always pricey.
find me a mid drive with a throttle and ill get rid of my hub fast!
What’s the pedal assist speed?
Could you ride this on gravel? And could you swap out wider tires that have more grip or traction? Thanks! Great reviews.
How tall are you? I am worried about not getting a full extension for a bike that requires a good amount of effort. I'm 6'2".
If you change the tires can you take it onto dirt roads and gravel paths?
Very great for the price
Further to my review a few months ago. It turns out my bike frame was not made square - was bent - from manufacture fault. After much effort on the part of my bike supplier, trek has finally sent a kit to straighten the frame and supplier reports that the battery now goes in easily. I’ve yet to see because the bike supplier is trying to find a front suspension fork to manage the roughness of the ride - once again they needed to get info from trek - they finally got that info and the front fork has been ordered and hopefully will be installed this week. I’m hopeful but will wait and see.
If anyone is having a problem with the battery install and staying in, the frame has probably been bent and there IS A KIT to fix that problem so get your bike service people to get the kit from trek - it took a while for my supplier to recognize the bent frame so tell them to look at it and ask trek for the kit to fix the problem - be persistent!
Don’t order suspension forks until supplier asks trek exactly what to order to fix the roughness of the ride - it’s actually very reasonably priced and worth replacing the forks that come with the bike!
What happens if your Bosch motor dies out of warranty? Can you buy a new motor and have the old one replaced or is the bike basically scrapped if the motor goes?
My verve 3 headlight can turn off by holding + button and holding. It also has walk and walk+ modes.
Nice! I think Trek has been enabling walk mode on more recent versions of their ebikes :)
Assume the magnet for the speed sensor is in the disk brake like some of the newer bosch systems?
Hey Chris! I cannot confirm because Tyson reviewed... but I'm guessing yes, it's probably in the rear disc brake rotor mount.
Fantastic review. Thank you very much for this.
What part of the country are you from? It looks like a nice place to ride.
This was in Fort Collins Colorado, and it is very nice! One of the most bicycle friendly cities I've ever ridden in :)
@@TysonRoehrkasse Awesome. I live in a 'nicer' area of NJ and it's not all that enjoyable an environment for cycling. I miss living in Wisconsin and hope I can end up in a more wide open area again someday.
Thanks for the info.
One hand riding is dangerous. 😯
Maybe a GoPro would be more comfortable.
Excellent review as usual from new guy.
LOL One handed ??? How about No hands ;)
Thanks! It is a Go Pro, just on a selfie stick :)
In Europe the Verve+ 3 is a bit different. The major difference being the suspended fork.
It looks like you should be able to adjust the handgrips to customize your position as you alter the handlebar angle. In the video you say those are not adjustable, are you sure about that??
Can you switch lights of?
do you know if the ergonomics are the exact same between the lowstep version and the regular frame version if they are both the same size? for example is a lowstep medium the exact same measurements as a traditional frame medium? or is one more upright than the other?
See further review and solution to battery install above
I forgot to note II’m riding the Verve plus 3 - I bought it in 2022- the battery is the version where the battery is integrated into the frame of the bike - this design while sleek and less easy to steal the battery essentially leaves the main frame portion with a hollow cavity so it’s harder to get or keep it straight. I also have the step through model - not sure if that could also affect the stability of the frame. I like the bike - hopefully the few months of dancing with trek has resulted in a fix that makes battery install better. While trek danced around the problem with the frame my bike supplier - Unuted Cycle in Edmonton - has given me a loaner to use at no cost to me. I’ve put over 500K on the loaner since they gave it to me a month and a half ago so this has been a significant benefit to me - my season of riding would have been gone if they hadn’t.
Why don't they put on the sticker where the bicycle is made ?
I’m a bit confused over the difference between Bosch’s Eco vs Turbo modes. You mentioned there’s a 270% of power, but also mention that there’s around 50 or 60nm of torque. What is the 270% measured against? Eco Mode? In which case all these power levels sound like a marketing trick?
The Bafang M400 mid-motor has 36V 250 watt motor with 80nm of torque. On my Tern D8, it has 5 Pedal assist levels (no throttle). Does the Active Line + with a lower torque have more power at it’s highest power setting or does the Bafang M400 with 80nm torque have more power? Thanks for clarifying, as I’m considering getting a Tern Q9 or S10 which use an Active Line + and Performance Line respectively and I get confused because both have lower torque levels than my Tern D8
Hey Robert, the Active Line Plus here has 50nm of torque and 270% max assist when in the highest setting (Turbo). My understanding is that the 270% is measured against the power input of the rider. In Eco the max assist is only 40%, Tour is 100%, and so on. You can see this page which has a detailed breakdown of the torque, max assist, and other metrics for all Bosch motors: www.bosch-ebike.com/us/products/drive-units/
The Bafang you mentioned does indeed have more torque. Whether it has more "power" is kind of hard to quantify. Having more torque will definitely feel like more power on steep slopes, so you see a lot of high-torque motors on mountain bikes. On flat surfaces the extra torque could help you accelerate faster but in terms of top speed it doesn't matter.
I haven't actually test ridden anything with the M400, so I can't say for sure how the experience compares.
you skimmed over the install of that battery! There's a design flaw in the battery compartment that makes installing the battery either simple or extremely challenging! The locking mechanism that the key is attached to comes loose and there's a risk the battery will either not install or fall out after install. I keep a strap on mine to ensure the battery stays installed while riding it. There are many comments online that indicate the installation of the battery is problematic. I've spent a few minutes to half an hour trying to reinstall the battery into the compartment! I've taken it back to the store where I bought the bike several times in the year I've owned it and they adjust it and can install it once while I'm there but then when I try, it becomes sticky and after a few removal and installs the problem becomes increasingly more frustrating and the mechanism needs to be adjusted again! The supplier is constantly having to adjust the thing! Trek needs to come up with a fix for this design flaw! I love the pedal assist and motor for the Verve+3 and the quietness of the pedal assist motor. I do not love the lack of suspension in the front forks - the thing rides a little like a tank and my wrists and shoulders are letting me know they are not happy. I have a small frame and am 5'3". The distance between the seat and the handlebars could be shortened a little - that would improve rider control of a bike that has a bit of weight that riders need to learn to manage. Would I buy pedal assist versus throttle - absolutely! would I buy another or recommend the Verve +3 - not at this time. That battery problem is a major thumbs down and the rough ride is also a thumbs down.
hello, did you ever find a fix for the battery problem? is yours a 2021+ model or 2020 model?
I guess is the model for American market. Are those wheels 26 inches wide ?
Hi Victor, the wheels were 28" 700x50c and more technical details that we measured are listed here: electricbikereview.com/trek/verve-plus-3/
Here's a question, looking at something like this from trek, as I like the brand and have had good luck. Is this a better value than something like a super73-r for around the same price? Spec wise the super73 seems better on paper
I'm late to the game (just saw this video), but I do have experience with both bikes. The Super73 does have better specs on paper, and is more robust. Plus, you have the option of a throttle in the US for times you want to just enjoy the scenery, run errands, or relax. However, the Super is not good for pedaling due to the riding position and short crank arms. If you want more of a "boosted cycling experience", or something that is more of a traditional bike, the Trek would be better. You can't beat the Super73 Community though, and for some that may be worth any tradeoffs.
Specs may look better on "paper" but that's where it stops. You know that the Verve+ bikes are equipped with quality Bosch electronics and that the bike features a mid-drive system which is regarded as much better than a wheel driven setup. The Super73 website doesn't mention the motor's manufacturer, a sure sign that it's a Chinese made system. When you need service, where do you think you'll be able to get parts or someone to service the bike? That last part should be on the minds of EVERYONE shopping for an e-bike.
@@GFam0703 I bought the verve+2. It’s quite good
It's strange the ones on the website do have front suspension
I have just purchased mine in the UK. It has front suspension. Looks totally different to the one in this video.
What are the names of your helmet and sunglass?
My helmet is the Sena R1 EVO. I love it! I did get it for free from Sena in exchange for wearing it in videos, full disclosure :)
I lost those sunglasses sadly, they were some Oakley's that I found when hiking around Horsetooth mountain.
EBR: Is this demo bike available for sale? I know someone looking for this exact bike (small).
I would imagine so, we take good care of the review bikes so that they can be sold afterwards though so I don't know that there would be any discount. It was provided courtesy of the Trek Fort Collins North shop :)
When are u gunna do the super73 s2?
I have the opportunity to grab one of these at $1,800.
Could I mod this bike to improve its performance and top speed?
I also just got my Rad Rover 5 shipping notice an hour ago.
I had plans to add a new controller and display to improve torque and also had intentions to swap out the motor and battery for the ultimate upgrade.
Now I’m not sure if I should return the Rover 5, if I can mod the Verve+ similar to the Rover I’ll keep the Verve+.
I’ve always been a fan of Trek bikes too.
So my question is does the Verve+ have the ability to be modded like the Rover?
Hey Richard, sorry this response is coming in late... but the answer is no, the Verve+ would not be easy to mod. The integration of the Bosch drive system would make it difficult to swap out components, you'd need to either get Bosch-compatible upgrades (or replace everything), and I'm pretty sure those modifications would void the Trek warranty (which is one of the main reasons to buy a Trek bike in the first place). So... hopefully you went with the Rad!
@@TysonRoehrkasse
Yeah
I changed my mind on the Trek, there are so many other ways to make this Rover better.
I appreciate the input though..!!
🚴♂️🚴♂️
Too bad Trek couldn’t find a larger frame for you to try out. I wonder if they realized the bike would be featured in product video.
They did, but I think they're feeling the supply shortage crunch that everyone in the industry is right now. I did ride the XL frame Verve+ 2 last year and the bikes are very similar aside from the motor and battery upgrade :) here's that review if you want to check it out: electricbikereview.com/trek/verve-plus-2/
Walk assist is an absolute necessity, so why disable it, I sometimes when riding my bike when I'm around pedestrians, i'll often use walk assist while riding the bike
I have heard that since this is a Class 1 (no throttle), the walk mode is disabled since it functions similar to a throttle, just low-powered. I am not sure as to the official reason, but I have been told by many Trek owners that if you take your bike in to a dealer and request them to activate Walk assist, they will :)
That was a cool car at 37:40
Seriously! It distracted me and I had to cut there and start again XD
I have now had an e-bike for just about a month now. I won't say what brand it is but the ride is Radical. With the exception of styling and minor tweaks, is a $ 3000 bike twice as good as a $1500 bike? .... so glad I did my research. E-bike branding, features, styling etc reminds of the Headphone racket. Does a $1500 set of headphones sound 10x better than a $150 headphone ?.....(Believe me....in the headphone game $1500 is the very low-end of the high-end)......The point is the Law of Diminishing Returns applies to e-bikes....do your homework and get the most bang for your buck.
Have you ridden other brands to experience the differences?
@@Cstoreri Yes... a home-build (first experience and my "original plan") and a Lectric XP..... liked the Lectric but I am 6-1 and 240lb, need a "tank" and frankly, didn't care for the looks and the folding .... I did carefully shop for features and watched (too) many YT vids and reviews. Lots of time on my hands, like many. Anyway... price was a consideration. Even if I had the opportunity to test ride pricier bikes it would be like test driving a New Porsche or Tesla Model X...aint gonna happen on my budget... came close to pulling the trigger on the Sondors XS but went for the Rad Rover Fat... couldn't be happier and....shipped to me in less than a month despite COVID delays and shortages.
It's a pitty England is not more relaxed about the E. Bike speed regulations. Also my bike has walk mode . I'd hardly compair it to a throttle. It's low power that just gives you enough power to walk the bike up steps or a hill if your walking. If you sat on the bike and pressed walk mode the bike would go very slow.
My dad bought two new Verve+ 3's for his wife and himself. His wifes has squealing brakes and his will not charge through the charging port. Poor quality control nfrom Trek.
Biggest difference between Verve+ 2 and Verve+ 3 is that a pandemic + soaring bikes sales = Trek adds $500 to price. There's other bikes similar to this for $1500 like the Ride1up 700 series.
They're not similar. Sure Trek is a bit pricier but it's certainly not double. Perhaps a cheaper brand could do this exact same bike for $2300-$2500 instead of $3000. But you are getting service and support and warranty that exceeds most of those online companies. Plus the attention to detail is nice and looks much better than the cheaper Ebikes.
@@kumsman Have you looked at the Ride1up 700? IMO it's a nicer looking bike. Most reputable direct to customer ebike manufacturers offer a 1yr warranty. While they don't have a network of stores or service centers, typically you take their bike to any shop and they reimburse you for the cost. Trek IS using better hardware than many budget ebikes, but I don't think the extra cost is worth it. You're talking double the price for a mid-drive with a smaller battery and no suspension. Doesn't add up to me.
@@Svid1701D I have actually looked at that bike and it is nice however it uses hub motor. A mid motor costs much more and it is able to take advantage of the gears on the bike. This means a mid motor will do uphills and downhills much better than any hub motor. It also weighs less and is more efficient. Ride1up has lower components (7speed, acera) and weighs 62lbs and range is only 50 miles. The Trek has 9speed, Alivio and a range of up to 100miles! You are comparing apples to oranges. That being said, hub motors are fine and certainly Ride1up makes many people very happy.
As I said earlier, if ride1up really tried to match the Trek it would probably end up being $2500, where the Trek is $3000. I'll agree there is a $500 upcharge for Trek but you get really good warranty, support, bike is assembled and fitted for you, etc.
$3k, but no throttle? PAS only?
Pulling back from the novelty and hype, you are still paying 3k$+ for a basic Trek bicycle with an electric motor.
What would you recommend for that price ?
If the bike is cruising past 20 miles you don't need the power I guess . If your going down hill for example
Mall security alert!!!! He said don't put a throttle in it.
Meh, I rode the Verve and was underwhelmed... In fact all of the mid drive pedal assist only bikes seem lame to me when compared to Class 2 with a throttle. Bottom line is that class 2 gives you more speed with less effort at less cost. If you are in USA, no need to buy overpriced bikes aimed at Euro market laws. Class 2 750w is the sweet spot for cheap and legal ebike thrills in USA. I wish Trek, Specialized, and Giant would focus on building a class 2 ebike.
This Bike is meant to be a bike not a motorcycle
Maybe I don’t need to go 40mph
Exactly who would be stupid enough to pay these prices for such a lacking product
I can get a Aventon Level for 1599 an drive right past this 3k bike.
But they're not the same. Aventon is a hub motor. Hub motors can't take advantage of the gearing system of a bike like a mid motor can. This means a mid motor bike like Trek can climb hills much better. They also tend to be much more efficient so you will get a lot more miles per charge. The balance is much better with the weight at the center of the bike and feels very natural. The downside is a mid motor system is way more expensive than a hub motor.
@@kumsman Depends on terrain, if you're on flat terrain like me. Then why spend almost 50 percent more to go slower with longer range. I'm pretty sure you could add a battery an still be 1k cheaper on the aventon.
3 k no way
@@954brent954 I have no problem with hub motors. People need a choice that works for them with both the budget and the riding conditions. Aventon is great. I only point out that you can't compare the bikes and just say that a $1500 Aventon is basically the same as the $3000 Trek and that Trek just double charged. That is incorrect. If Aventon made the exact same bike it would be about $2500 so I agree Trek overcharged by maybe $500 but you get the service and warranty.
@@kumsman Like I said I don't have the hills etc to worry about. So I'll go with the cheaper for me. I also agree the motors are in different places, just like the price. 😂
Trek or any bike manufacturer for that matter limiting or disabling features like walk assist or limit to 20 mph max because of "safety" or "speed limit bylaws" is like Ford limiting all their vehicles to state/provincial/territory/country max speed limit like 50mph for example... its not the responsibility of the manufacturer to dictate how fast a person is allowed to go on their ebike or any other kind of transportation device. If car manufacturers started to limit cars to only 50 MPH, people would start rioting.
Correct, BUT, bikes are not cars and the rules are not the same. Your analogy is closer to driving an F1 race car on a city street without proper turns signals and other feature that would make it street legal. E-bikes have different classifications and in order to reach the widest customer base, e-bike manufacturers typically limit speed, or maybe don't even have a throttle so that the bike is compliant with laws in the most territories. When e-bikes start reaching speeds of 30+ mph, they start being classified more as a moped and less as a bike in many areas. This may require a license, insurance, a helmet, turn signals, etc.
@@Svid1701D none of what you said is relevant or perhaps logical, im not debating if this or that law exist or what so called classification some bureaucrat made up one day... lets continue with your analogy, a car doesnt magically become classified as an F1 racer just because it can reach speed in excess of 100MPH, most cars on the road can easily hit 110MPH and many much faster than that, but they are not classified right off the lot as F1 cars just because of their capable speed.
@@acehighdan I understand your point, but e-bike manufacturers are just trying to appeal to the widest market. If all e-bikes went 30+ mph then people may be reluctant to ride them and they would not be street legal in many areas. Not all e-bike manufacturers do this or some have an unlock feature to access higher speeds. Also, some car manufacturers do have speed limiting governors; I've owned a couple GMs that couldn't hit 100.
@@Svid1701D "some car manufacturers do have speed limiting governors; I've owned a couple GMs that couldn't hit 100." yeah i have seen that too, although the justification given in that instance was that it was a very new vehicle in which the motor needs time to be broken in a certain amount of miles before it should be pushed passed the governors limited speed, im not a mechanic so i cant say one way or another if that reasoning is bullshit or not, and i do understand where you are coming from in regards of local laws restricting this or that classification or ability or whatever, im just tired of all this crap, a bike is a bike, a moped is a moped, a car is a car... im sick of law makers renaming/rebranding/ changing the classification of something just to pass a law/regulation that promotes their agenda, the use of ebikes and other electric powered vehicles should be encouraged and praised, not limited/restricted/outlawed/illegal or be made so inconvenient that it renders having such a device useless... its ok have have cars that can go 140MPH spewing out toxic fumes day after day, year after year, but to have a battery powered pedal assisted bike/throttled bike take you from point A to point B with almost no carbon footprint to speak of??? nooooo we cant have that, we need to restrict the hell out of those things!!
Car dont go on sidewalks and bike path so there is a bit of difference lol
Man, these bikes are so weak compared to electric unicycles. You were barely going fast up that hill. I still want to get an ebike, though. I have an electric unicycle and it's way more powerful than this.
That price 😬😬😬😂 I’ll stick with buying a Rad power bike
The big companies like Giant and Trek will never put out an ebike that cheap. They want you to pay 3k and up.
Again any mid motor bike will be much more expensive than a hub motor. Rad power is hub motor and the Trek is mid motor. Hub motors can't take advantage of the gearing system of a bike like a mid motor can. This means a mid motor bike like Trek can climb hills much better. They also tend to be much more efficient so you will get a lot more miles per charge. The balance is much better with the weight at the center of the bike and feels very natural.
@@LordWinter Trek does still sell the original Verve+ and the Verve+ 2 which are both at 2499, and their other brand Electra sells as low as $1500 :)
27 minutes of talking and 10 minutes of riding. Lol
3 grand no way shape or form LMAO 😂
First lol
Trek is become shity bike!!