What Makes a Great Team Fortress 2 Map? | pl_Upward
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The music in this video is from the Mother 3 OST by Shogo Sakai and the Team Fortress 2 OST by Mike Morasky and The Valve Studio Orchestra - Hry
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what makes a good map:
1) named upward
2) goes upward
3) is upward
The map is a circle and thats cool
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 circleward when
@@ratsiiaratr24 spiralward
@@zachly6555 squidward
or badwater.
Don't use that red line around the thumbnail. Makes people think they have already seen this video and won't bother clicking on it.
TRUEEE
Atleast not that bright of a red
Yep, I had to think for a second if I had seen this video or not.
Yeah I've been watching all his vids on a binge and it's a little confusing
I thought I already saw it, then was pleasantly surprised when I saw the upload time
I've always thought how the map design is also very comedic on this map. The two teams are fighting over this absurd cliff and choose to traverse the longest possible route when blues starting base is really a few meters away from the final destination. They could have gone a shorter route the whole time if they built some kind of bridge.
Most of the team in tf2 have well below average iqs. Like they are conically dumb (barring engie, medic and spy). So that explains why they act they way they do lol.
@@ranfan1820 dosent engine have over a dozen PhD? I feel like he could plan and implement a bridge
@@esoopthederp7672 Funny that the ENGINEER couldn't practically build a bridge.
@@ranfan1820 how dare you! Heavy has a PhD in Russian literature
I always thought Heavy was smart, just couldn't speak English well
I need to shower, but I hope the algorithm doesn't think that I don't want this.
You'll never be recommended a leadhead video again - only shower videos for the next couple days
Ah fuck
did you shower
how was your shower
I hope you're not still showering
can we talk about how snipers piss jar is the best simulation of liquid in a vessel I've seen in a video game besides hl alyx??
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic
Yeah
and holy mackarel is tootaaally perfect
Think they used the same technique for the bile jar in L4D2, it's like a ragdoll but not classed as a ragdoll when you do a little properties analyzing with Hammer editor or pressing Z in GMod, it seems to have simple bone on the model that wiggles a little.
It's a very simple technique but I do admire a lot of things in Source games because it's one of my all time favorite game engines.
Really don't like how my voiceover came out in this vid. Lower energy than usual. I think this week's break will do me well
Hey, that's alright mate, this is sounding and looking great to me, make sure you get a good sleep and dinner tonight ok?
It's ok
Hey man, really appreciate ya. Your videos really make me happy. TF2 is also great
it sounds good little bear do not fret.
Don't worry, we'll be here when you get back.
I can’t believe that Stuart little came into my room and pissed on my cat
I need context
“In the midst of chaos, there is also opportunity”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
@@pinecone8575 are you telling me that I should piss on Stuart little when he comes in my room to piss on my cat
good heavens no
@@water3354 put him in a jar
I never knew that about swift water even after 2000 hours! Really cool!
You'd be surprised what you could find out about maps if you look at all of the neat little decorative items.
There's a video that nitpicks its flaws and showcases a lot of stuff I didn't notice as well
@@redman_10t39 im pretty sure 2fort has a backstory too, its a facility from 1880s or something
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 thats pretty much a reference to the original 2fort.
9:55 this room is forever immortalized as "a recreation of a competitive Demoman clip where..."
Even after thousands of hours of TF2 and playing on Upward, I never thought of the depth that went into creating the map itself.
mukyu
7:36
FAMILY GUY STOCK DEATH POSE
heavy has a knack for doing this
1:29 "The entirety of pl_upward is focused on BLU team using different flank routes" as a demo majestically trimps to the skies
Well, that's just another flank route, the Demo is using his ability to go airborne to get behind the enemy and clean them out.
That sort of play with either stratospheric trimping as a Tide Turner Hybridknight or suborbital Sticky Jumper launches is probably one of my favorite things to do when playing Demo and I'm not even a Demo main.
Heavies actually have an advantage when they're below
It's over, scout!
I have the low ground!
they can make their hitbox smaller with highground because they shoot out of their eyes though
@@baglespelledwrong8159 you can do that too If you eat enough beets.
Why tho
@@rogelio_34 czcams.com/video/vk3qUd886mE/video.html
Another one of my favorite maps is mvm_decoy. With a tiny bit of investigation, you can discover that the story behind the map is that the Soldier disguised an old abandoned boom town to get the attention of Greymann's robots. It explains the hastily-painted signs decorating the map, the deteriorated buildings, and why "MANN" is splattered on everything.
What makes Upward a good map?
If it were a BAD map, I wouldn't be sittin' here playin' it with ya now would I?!
A BFB scout? Incredibly based.
RIP BFB
Based? Based on what
@@empathetic4100 It's just a shitty word commonly used by twitter users
@@empathetic4100 your mother
@@empathetic4100 based god
17:43 Although that spot is really strong for a red soldier, it has at least 3 major downsides that make the position not braindead to defend. Something to add to that staircase's design.
1) The red soldier has to peek with his left shoulder, and because stock rockets are fired from your right shoulder, you have to expose your whole body to the attackers so the rockets don't hit the door frame.
2) The door is surrounded by a low ceiling and narrow walls, so it's easy to hit him with splash damage, even though he technically has the high ground.
3) That spot can fairly easily be flanked from behind, and in that case, the blu flanker has a major advantage since he's standing on a medkit and an ammo box, so the red soldier has to be very aware of his suuroundings.
9:53 I thought you actually put pyro's scream and laughs in here then I went back to hear it again, I realized it was in my head, spooky.
After a large break from playing TF2 i come back and see this gem
*hears mother 3 music at the beggining*
instant sub right there
Glad to see TF2 stuff covered here again!
I love the map, but it does get boring after playing it for what feels like the millionth time.
Oh yeah btw I love the Mother 3 music in this video
14:02 "WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHOOOOO- THE CART IS BLOODY STOPPED!" - Tf2 demoman
This video made me realize how much the pigmask music fits TF2
Goddamnit Leadhead, I'm supposed to be working
"every class has their own personal climaxes" >_>
I fucking love how leadhead makes his content as accessible as possible for people like me.
I do understand competitive gameplay rather well, but if I didn't this video would still be just as enjoyable
I know nothing about tf2 and still enjoyed the fuck out of this video.
I love your videos!
Hey, it's a free game, you can always hop in!
Tf2 isnt that comp
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 theres a huge difference in a game being played at a competitive level and a game in which players play competitively.
I love that you use an underrated scattergun like the baby faces blaster it’s one of my favorite guns in the game it’s so satisfying to use
18:47 "this really put Team Fortress in a team fortress"
*destroyed by random crit rocket*
the fact that upward is my least favorite map (because everyone wants to only play it 24/7) and i STILL enjoy it says something
EDIT: this video changed my opinion
Why wouldn't you want to play it 24/7 it's the best
@@travosk8668 you kinda get tired of doing the exact same thing 20 rounds in a row sometimes
What it says is that you haven’t played some of the other maps
@@tylerparsons2564 just do what I do
20 rounds of 2fort 20 rounds of upward rinse and repeat.
I think I'll never get tired of playing Badwater
I've been watching you for almost a year. its one of your best videos yet. really cool visuals and interesting theme. i love how passionate you are about any good game in every video and the fact that all information you give (even the most primitive stuff) is so interesting and probably even unique?
Has leadhead ever thought about going into game commentating? I feel like he’d be a good fit.
Great TF2 video! It felt a little all over the place at times, but you get across good points with good editing. Looking forward to more content!
Two other things to note: Spawn placements and the important mix of low and high ceilings with minimal invisible wall in areas of play.
RED's spawns start far away from the points, but quickly grows closer. BLU's starting spawn in is sight of all the actions, while last is far
away from the action due to all the walls.
Building have low ceiling which hamper the mobility of Soldiers and Demos, while the outside ceiling is high enough that they won't bonk their heads once they learn where the invisible walls are.
Upward has always been my favourite map but I could never put why into words. I think you've nailed it
The one bad part is the tunnel chokepoint. It’s kinda a pain on both sides
it's amazing how this video goes so in-depth about this map while barely touching on my favorite bit of it (the spiral ramp bit because you can get all sorts of environmental kills, and generally the team gets split between the sides of the building). excellent video!
Oh man third point on this map is awesome.
It's the most open part of the entire map bar none, directly facing the giant cliff BLU is attempting to climb, meaning it's a constant battle of who can keep control over the upper ledge that leads into last.
RED obviously starts with the advantage here but with so many ways for BLU to swing around from multiple angles it's a real struggle for RED that they have to be ready and willing to stand their ground and shove BLU team back inch by inch until they're being launched off the cliff.
Dud, i have been playing for so long and didn't know the first part of the vid, love your vids, thanks for making a vid on the best game ever
8:31 OK that is one of the coolest looking Pyros I've ever seen.
Okay, I did not realize what was going on in pl_swiftwater until today, and it's fricken hilarious. Especially with how you told it.
7:25 - this whole exchange is just heartwarming. Sounds like the friendliest gamer ever!
I remember when this map came out. I was so incredibly addicted to TF2, I don't think I've ever reached levels of joy as high as flying around this map as a scout shooting people off cliffs with the Force-A-Nature. Not even peaking on hard drugs has brought me that much enjoyment.
19:05 OOF that scout could have been at the front in about 2 seconds, but still chose to wait and tried to steal it from a heavy, lol
I saw that too and cringed lol, literally the fastest class in the game trying to steal a teleporter from the slowest class in the game. Smh
21 seconds ago?
ok
I'm so glad to see a tf2 vid that is genuinely interesting
really loved this vid and i hope this turns to a sort of series on videogame map design cause that would be so sick
You have no idea how long I’ve been waiting for another tf2 video from you. And it’s even on my FAVORITE MAP! Thank you so much I love this map too
As always, great video! I’ve been seeing a lot more TF2 content lately and you posting this one was a fantastic addition to my week.
Wow such an amazing map analysis! Good work
This is a really good thematic assessment of the map. Good one.
this has completely changed my outlook on making maps. thank you
I have never played TF2. But I have been the service and we had operational training facilities that had that, "climbing the hill, urban fighting set up..." and it is so good to get to the top... It's Awesome. Great video. thank you
Psst; You should've talked about Frontier as well. Even though only about half the map Is a straight uphill, every single thing you said applies there in a much more varied way because there's elevation stacked on top of elevation in several ways. It always 'looks' like It's red team holding the high ground against blue, but blue spawn after first is captured has them above the cart, leaving only 2 extremely vulnerable positions for Red team to counter-push them, which they will have to do because the ground they are so desperately defending is extremely hard to take back if your hold breaks, so you NEED to be on the constant offensive as the defending team - This gives Engineer's dispenser/sentry massive screentime IMO, both teams have great class opportunity for most of the map (With the exception of red scout on second due to a lack of a third flank route, although getting behind the enemy with Bonk can easily let you distract their team for an obscene amount of time.)
Amazing video all around. I knew this was my favourite map by a wide margin, but I never really knew why
I love how you use the music at the end.
this was a really really good in-depth video! Hopefully you get blessed by the algorithm!
Fantastic video dude. Great job.
I've played tf2 as my main game since 2012, played casually, MVM, comp in both etf2l and UGC, even played in a ready steady pan comp tournament once. I've only just now realized from the opening of this video what was happening in swiftwater lmao, genuinely made me laugh. great vid much like your others
Glad to see my favorite map in my favorite game talked about, great stuff man
hey leadhead, new fan here love ur vids on hitman and gta and now i love most of ur vids keep up the gr8 content
I had no idea you liked tf2 too. Ive been playing it for like 7 years and im still in love with it. It's great to see a video of you talking about it.
I've never really played or understood TF2, but this video was still interesting and entertaining - good job on it!
I'd love to see this for more maps, such a cool way to analyse a map, you could even do one for maps that aren't so good, maybe to show why maps don't work, or why they should but end up not working.
Excellent quality video as always my friend
I love the way you describe it. I don’t know why, but it makes me think of a veteran talking about a war story of D-Day.
Good video as always.
20:40 a generalist ah? are you sure you didn’t meant a generalísimo? Bad jokes aside upward is really one of my favorite maps, specially when playing engineer. Also the Mother 3 soundtrack really does fits tf2
honestly tf2 doesn't really do that well of a job at telling a story with its maps as I would hope.
Its there but it could be MUCH better, would help to make the maps feel less like arenas
LeadHead is getting so much algorithm, I'm so happy for him
Also another point to make: the map "spiral" and viewmodels.
RED is constantly having to turn to their right as they go towards the battlefield, blocking some of their sight if they happen to be near a wall on their right side.
While the BLU team has the opposite with lots of open area to traverse around on their right side, giving them ample view of everything going on during the match.
God I love the Earthbound and Mother 3 OST so much. I love your use of it
great video man, I really enjoyed it
I always thought fire was Pyro's element... now I know that it's actually stairs.
wow what an amazing video. Good job man!
I noticed in the description you said some of the songs were from the Mother 3 OST but I also heard "Your Name, Please" from Mother 2
Regardless, it's a great video and I really liked the Mother music added in
I haven't played TF2 in years. Great vid man, as per usual. Brought back a lot of good memories, even if I absolutely sucked at this game.
there are also those nuances in map geometry and what you can stand on or not, like spy perches and sneaky engie tele spots and how you can literally ninjaneer on the third point increadibly well, and how you can crouch jump from the right stairs to the point on the third point. its like you said the little things that allow every class to prosper on this map.
I'd love to see a video like this about Hightower. I haven't played TF2 in years but I used to love that map. So much fun rocket jumping around the tower and raining down hell at the enemy base.
good story telling is nice for a map, but one map i remember for being a relaxing place to just do whatever is 2fort.
this map is the most calm, peaceful place that there is in tf2. The soundscapes, the forts, the farms and buildings, you can be wherever you want in 2fort and find a relaxing place to be in and theorize about what was happening in that place. "why is red and blue attacking eachother?" "why is there a bridge that connects both places togheter?" "who are they spying on with that computer equipment?" or "what is inside the briefcase that both teams want?" these are all questions someone could theorize and imagine an answer for, making little stories by themselves on what this is all about. the level design of it its pretty bad ngl, but the ambiance its just so nice that it makes me feel like a child in the playground whenever i go into it.
Btw, good video man.
if you want a more indepth analysis or an different point of view of this 2fort thing, check out germanspeter video on 2fort, it really made me change my view on the map.
upward has gotta be my most played pl map
its so fun to play on as any class
I somehow felt that pl_upward was one one the best levels I have played in any game ever, but this video really put it into words. It knows its game so well and plays to its strengths.
I think the small slant that push you cart back, really help with the tension. Giving this, now or never moment, cause the time is usually low due to the defense of the enemy team
The thing I like about this map is how long it is. It takes most people quite a while to run from one end of the map to the other. But it allows skilled soldiers and demomen to really exploit their mobility and travel across the map in a matter of seconds.
Excited for this video man!
I’ve never quite understood this game or the entire genre in general despite watching more than a few videos about it. This is the first video I’ve ever seen that made me see the appeal of it.
this really gave me a renewed sence of appreciation, not just for this map but for tf2 :)
One thing I really like about upward is the level of aggression this map seems to be built around. Defensive play obviously isn’t bad, but the map is set up to where most of the important areas area either far forward to hold or deep into the defensive hold, so one team needs to take the initiative, and this applies to both sides. On 1st, red need play forward to keep control of stairs and rocks to stop flanks and pushes, and blu need to get up on playground and on the flank in order to break down the defence. On 2nd, one team having control of the hill above the tunnel can decide whether or not the game ends there, as blu can get swarmed and stomped out easily from red players on the hill and at the entrance together. You get the idea
Honestly, it's nice to have some things you can rely on.
Like leadhead uploading every week.
Small tip for blue Spy, on any payload 1st point (and you should do this even if you're not gonna play spy for the rest of the game, or even "good" at spy):
**Run to their spawn and destroy their tele entrance**
Usually the Red engi will be busy maintaining his sentry and dispencer and won't have time to rebuild the tele (even if he has the Eureka effect, it's a big gamble for the engi to leave his nest for so long, so most won't rebuild it until their nest goes down, or team is literally spawn-camping Blu).
This, (in casual context), usually deter people from playing one of the best defence class in the game: Heavy, and passively gives your team a much easier time pushing through the 1st point. In my 5k hrs of both casual, competitive highlander and such, mainly playing med, I saw so many ppl stop playing Heavy and opt for higher mobility classes, which are (generally) more easy to kill compare to a 450HP sentry on legs whenever their tele is down.
I love the MOTHER music in this video
What I like about this map is that the final point gives the defenders the advantage, but it's still possible for the offensive team to cap. A lot of payload maps either make the final point super hard to defend or almost impossible to break through a decent defense.
Please, PLEASE do more, I really like this its like uncle dane’s enginner’s blueprints which I also love but for everybody and the map itself
didn't know i needed this video until now
yeah upward is amazing. also respect for using the baby face’s
I was so surprised to find you aren’t a tf2ber. Great video!
I really do wish Valve leaned into their strengths of environmental map-making as a source of worldbuilding and comedy rather than the (albeit very memorable) mess that is the comics. The mystery why RED and BLU do these things is lost now because, for some reason, the writers of the comics decided to explain everything - it would be like if Valve decided to come out with comics about the G-Man’s origins and explained what his motivations were. TF2 was rife with the spytech, Cold War-esque intrigue that I absolutely adored, and Upward is pretty much the perfect example of this subtlety.
Plus it’s just fun to play. Can’t forget that.
I remember setting a single sticky down on the staircase and randomly just jumping up to that sentry spot and firing grenades mindlessly, Stuffing two engies and their blooming sentry guns
i would like a video talking about the history of every map cause every map has his own history like 2fort,well,powerhouse etc
I need how to figure out how to record games to see different camera angles. it's surprisingly entertain to see what happens during a match. You are a lot more focus on playing during the match that you don't get to notice when 3 guys get blasted off a cliff all at once right as they die.
Seeing this video reminds me of why I liked this game: it feels like a violent cartoon with a Pixar art style.
i love this video please make more!