Return to Oz (1985) - Nome King death, original Jack Pumpkinhead stop-motion puppet
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The Nome King is destroyed when he inadvertently swallows one of Billina's eggs (in Oz, eggs are poisonous to nomes).
Everything about this stop-motion is beautiful. The subtle movements in his face, the movements of his eye...
That's the master Will Vinton for ya
one of the things I love about old movies is how they use stuff like stop motion and puppetry and animatronics and models it makes the movie feel more real because you can tell it’s real.
@@AidanSuperStudios Back then when wanting to implement some sort of crazy character like this you only had so many options, it was stop motion, puppets or costumes, usually a combo of the three like they do with Jack in this movie, because every discipline has its limitations. When CGI came along it basically replaced all three, but the problem is when you no longer have the constraints and sacrifices guiding your decisions it makes you less considerate of what youre doing on screen, that's why everything is CGI now, ironically resulting in CGI looking worse because the VFX artists are overworked.
@@superbogopop definitely. A big problem with movies with CGI is "suspension of disbelief" because movies can do everything, they think they need to overwhelm the audience- this results in overstimulation. It literally results in doing more resulting in less effect.
If this scene was made today, it would have gone on twice as long and would have gone way past the point of producing tension.
I love how slow his death is. First his eyes cloud over and then he just decays into a stone skull. It's amazing.
Eggs will do that.
Assuming he's really dead. In the books, he came back time and time again to try and get revenge on Ozma and Dorothy. He never managed it, of course.
@@MaskedMan66Well that’s because he wasn’t actually killed by the egg, only scared off
@@Dude-1234 He got two eggs in the eyes, courtesy of the Scarecrow, which, when I first read it, led me to suspect that the Nomes' fear of eggs was more superstitious than rooted in actuality.
Perhaps at some point in Ev's history a Nome fell ill or died after eating an egg, but the cause was something else; nevertheless, the rest of the Nomes made a false connection.
Dorothy's face in those close ups is priceless. It's like her maternal instincts kicked in and she wasn't about lose a dear friend but her own actual child to frightening monster. Those "NOs" sounded real genuine, sincere and frightened.
Fairuza knocked it out of the park as Dorothy! The best part about her performance was playing to these bizarre creatures as if they were just folks.
Bro she was 10
I loved how shocked and hurt the Nome King was that they would do something to hurt him, even though he was going to kill all of them.
+runetide Well, he wasn't planning on killing them at first. At first he was making them play a game to find the Scarecrow saying if they touch the ornament the Scarecrow turned into and say "Oz", then the Scarecrow will turn back where the Nome King was assuming they will lose with him having a room full of millions of ornaments never finding the correct one. But since he failed in them winning, he decided to end everything before Dorothy, Scarecrow, and the Gump find Tik Toc since they found everyone and just decided to eat them to finish everything. (Of course, he could have just used the ruby slippers to just turn all of them into ornaments instead of eating them).
Okay he was going to kill all of them AFTER toying with them and giving them false hope of escaping first.
Guy was really powerful with a god complex.
runetide so cool!!
@@afriendofbean ... that's not an argument.
The chicken says, "Poison indeed!!" My personal favorite quote.
The chicken's name is billina.
@@paulmacartney8266 Correct, Sir Paul! When she was hatched, nobody could tell if she was a boy or girl, so it was assumed she was a rooster and she was summarily named Bill. When it became obvious that she was a hen, Dorothy put the "ina" on the end of her name to make it a girl's name.
Hard to believe labyrinth’s Hoggle and Junk Lady were Billina and Jack
I love how the Gnome King hard snaps his mouth close when he realizes what's happened, but far too late. A very real impulse.
Nome.
Good lord, that stop motion is nothing short of beautiful...
Again, a well-acted scene. Kudos to incorporating Nightmare Fuel and hysterical comedy at once in the same scene.
And Leonard Martin called it joyless? Joyless my ass as it’s not a sad sack emo fest like alien 3
Scary stuff isn't automatically "nightmare fuel."
I love the look of absolute horror on the Nome King's face when Billina starts clucking.
At first I was disappointed at the Nome King being killed by an EGG of all things...until I remembered this was the same franchise where the most iconic villain was defeated by a bucket of water.
A bater wucket
Just shows you must never underestimate the simple things, like Sauron underestimated a couple of simple Hobbits. Or how Zorg's empire nearly crumbled over one...little...cherry.
They even have each of their own parallels towards the original:
Dorothy - still herself
Billina - *Toto*
Jack Pumpkinhead - *Scarecrow*
Tick-Tock - *Tin Man*
Gump (Moose Head) - *Cowardly Lion*
Princess Ozma - *Glinda / The Wizard*
Mombi/Nome King - *The Wicked Witch of the West/East*
Wheelers - *Flying Monkeys*
Eggs - *Water*
@@mohamadafifazizizaidi5625 Except that all of those characters are straight from the books. Ozma is not Glinda or the Wizard, she is Ozma, the one and only true ruler of Oz.
P.S.: Winged Monkeys.
What would happen if the Wicked Witch met the Nome King?
I love how Billina said "Poison indeed!" like she was insulted to hear the Nome King call her eggs poison.
This film is creepy as fuck but the effects still hold up good
@Otneimica To be honest I remember watching this when I was 6 years old and..........
IT DIDN'T SCARE ME AT ALL I LOVED THIS MOVIE!!!!
Plus its a really good movie you should watch it
The film was made by walt disney
Bits of it are creepy, but every good fantasy tale has its chills.
I'm shocked at how gingerly the gnome king put Jack down.
Well he was dying from egg poisoning and looked like he was very afraid.
ghostdog2041 perhaps he is so shocked and disoriented and full of fear that he freezes up and moves very slowly?
+ghostdog2041 Well, maybe the reason he put Jack down very gently was either because he was getting weaker and weaker after getting poisoned by the egg or maybe it's like Lucinda Mobley said that he was scared and maybe he was afraid if he dropped Jack down hard, something terrible would happen to him (the Nome King) with Belina the chicken hiding inside Jack's head.
You mean jack and his little chicken to!!!
Well he was dying, there wasnt much point throwing him.
As frightening as this film is, it does stay more true to the source material of Frank L. Baum. If you read the work this sequel is based on, it is quite nightmarish as well. I think he would've approved of this if he saw it.
*BITS OF IT* are frightening, and are supposed to be. But the whole thing isn't. There are laughs and fun as well. There's nothing nightmarish about either "The Marvelous Land of Oz" or "Ozma of Oz."
I forgot that Jack was oddly adorable for an expressionless pumpkin.
Wish he was more popular tbh
Expressionless? With that great big smile?
It's the voice that does it - Brian Henson - related to Jim Henson of course, apparently the calmest family voice in the business. Brian does an excellent job as Jack in this wonderful film. Jack's Theme by the composer David Shire also adds to his character.
@@CBeaumontHIGTFY Brian is Jim's son.
He was Hoggle and the dog in storyteller
Did you just realize that this chicken just killed the most powerful creature in that world!?
The Nome King was hardly the most powerful creature in the world, or even on the Continent of Imagination. And if this Nome King is anything like his literary forebear, he'll be back!
I'm showing this movie to my 4th grade class today. None of them have ever seen it before. Very excited.
Jason Rook are they finished with therapy yet? Lol
Were you fired?
You are a monster...I watched this as a 5 year old and it still haunts me 30+ years later
So..how'd it go lol
the principal will be mad 8 years ago
I've always loved that bit how the other Nome are gong "Poison!" even though it was only the Nome King that got poisoned.
They're honorable henchmen. The boss is dead, and they peace out.
@@Anon_SpartanWhen all the Nomes go "POISON" I get the heebie-jeebies...
@@Anon_Spartan"Poison, Poison, poison, poison, poison..."
The Nomes
Well, apparently, they're all linked to the King, so if he dies, the rest follow suit, therefore exterminating them.
@@phillipwalling7470It certainly appears that they're all dying when they say "Poison," but according to the movie storybook they only left the room, it doesn't say what happens to them after that.
Billina used egg bomb it was super effective
This was always the scariest scene to me back in '88 when I was 5. It always seemed so creepy, and cool, and gross all at the same time. It gave me night terrors. Rock people would chase me.
Same. And I was 13 when I first saw this. Now I'm 14. Being naïve and autistic, I was almost put of the Judy Garland film. If it weren't for Jack Haley, I would have lost Oz as an interest.
LOVE this movie.
Will Vinton's studio did the animation.
Any other movie I wouldnt have been able to take the clay animation seriously, but these are knomes, they are supposed to be clay lol. Further, they are basically the keepers of a fantasy world and the detailed, realistic faces also helped.
I do enjoy Wizard of Oz...but the second one's darkness in tone brought something special to it. I like that they used the obscure characters of the other books, Jack being my favorite.
Those characters aren't obscure! They were featured heavily in lots of the books; Jack and Tik-Tok even had books named for them.
Jack pumpkinhead and TikTok are in other adaptations even the 1980 animated thanksgiving special
Saw this as a kid and was traumatised.
•The wheelers "Come ere Chicken."
•Queen Momby's heads all waking up and screaming when Dorothy is in there.
•The deadly desert.
•And just something about the way the Gnome King says "Why doesn't the sofa go first" still, even now send shivers down my spine.
To do that to a kid, scary but well done 👏
Princess Mombi, you mean. And it's Nome King.
I love how the Nome King is like laughing maniacally as he's about to eat Jack...and then he hears Billina go "SQWAK!" and he's like "OH SHIT" LOL XD
1:57 It wasn’t the egg that killed the Gnome King, it was the tactical nuke going off behind him.
Nome. And he's not necessarily dead.
It giving me hiroshima vibes vibes 💀
1:00 her expression says it all, after the Nome king ate an egg and she’s like “what’s happening now”
And The Nightmare Before Christmas was “too scary for kids”
My point exactly. Maybe they got in trouble for scaring children and were very careful with TNBC. To be honest, after watching this nightmare fuel, I certainly was not going to watch a stop-motion horror movie. But I guess after bringing me back to the Judy Garland film, Jack Haley encouraged me to give it a go. (Sort of. After I realised I had a crush on him, I felt very connected to the TNBC character Sally).
@@SillyCreatureSally *smh* "Nightmare fuel," my foot! Kids can handle stuff like this.
@@MaskedMan66 Sorry, I think I was still 13 when I wrote this. Hopefully I can get a time machine and tell her to stop.
@@SillyCreatureSally No worries! I always laugh when I hear that term "nightmare fuel." No offense meant! 🙂
@@MaskedMan66 I guess his death just made me a bit uncomfortable. I am autistic, remember.
I will forever love the digital effect that gets played over the Nome King as he dies. It sends chills down my spine everytime
This was when I learned and realized the weakness of nomes in Oz which are eggs
Some top quality effects in this, great stop motion! The whole movie is great, such a shame it didn’t financially do all that well.
This movie scared the shit out of me as a kid
+Angelina Krueger I think it was the movies that semi-creeped me out as a kid I later ended up loving more as an adult.
+Angelina Krueger I totally agree. I loved this film.
It did the same to me as an adult. ;)
Gave me nightmares rhis film did 😄
I’ve always loved this scene.
Just when all seems lost Billina comes in clutch.
Stupid Nome King messed with the wrong group of friends.
"Poison, Poison, poison, poison, poison..."
The Nomes
So it seems that the Wicked Witch of the West was always allergic to water (which caused her demise) and the Nome King was always allergic to eggs (which caused his demise).
Xanatos21 I was thinking that too. The only thing that confused me was that I thought the ruby slippers were also meant to keep whoever wears them protected since they protected Dorothy on the first film preventing the witch from removing them off of Dorothy's feet when the witch tried to take them. If they protect on whoever wears them, I was surprised they didn't protect the Nome King from dying by swallowing an egg along with protecting the Wicked Witch Of The East from getting crushed by Dorothy's house.
***** Actually, in the first film (Though it shouldn't matter because this film is a reboot) the Witch was going to kill Dorothy which she still had the slippers on. They just won't come off, as long as she was alive.
Tyler Michael I might be wrong but, the Witch on the first film probably wasn't planning on killing Dorothy where she was probably making a deal with Dorothy saying that if she (Dorothy) agrees to give the slippers back, she will let Dorothy and Toto stay alive and probably let them go. (Of course, if she did succeed in getting the slippers back, she would probably use the power of the slippers to kill Dorothy and Toto). Also yes, I remember she said that there is no way to remove the slippers off Dorothy's feet if Dorothy was alive and then the witch was probably going to kill Dorothy with an hour glass saying once the sand runs all the way to the bottom, then she would die and then she would get the ruby slippers probably. Luckily for Dorothy, Scarecrow, Tin Man, and Lion saved her just in time.
bullshit you forgot the wicked witch that was killed by a house.
+Elemental Cheese Are you talking to me? If so, I did mention about the Wicked Witch of the East getting crushed by Dorothy's house when I replied to Xanatos21 comment.
Interesting fact! Both movies' climaxes had a chase by the main threats of the movie with their army only to accidentally reach their demise by their very weakness! (In the Nome King''s case, the egg and the wicked witch, a bucket of water) I'm surprised nobody noticed that!
Oz villains: *exist*
Allergies: your free trial of living has ended
There are tons of Oz-based movies.
pure nightmare fuel
*eyeroll*
these special effects are actually pretty amazing imo
Great adaptation of the L. Frank Baum novels.
When I was very young, my mom would often fix me an egg for breakfast. Whenever I didn't want an egg, I would throw a fit and say "Eggs. Poison!" Then I would slip out of my chair onto the floor, whining. She didn't like that very much. lol
Are you a nome? Lol
Looks like he...*sunglasses*... just got scrambled.
Texavelle 82 we won’t get fooled again!
Some people feared the Wicked Witch.
Others feared the Flying Monkeys.
Me? I feared this Aggro Crag lookin guy.
Me? I feared them wheelers
Same.
The best clay stop-motion of the 1985!
If I recall correctly (and I'm not sure if this is from the original source material or from the 1986 The Wonderful Wizard of Oz series) the reason that eggs are poisonous to Nomes is because the Nome King has an irrational fear of them (due to a bad experience with a boiled egg). As a result of this experience, he decreed the foodstuff 'persona non grata' and now all Nomekind fear them as well.
Well, I guess fear does kill. No wonder everyone I talk to dies >w
That is possible the witch of the west feared water and that brought about her demise
Those weaksauce weaknesses (eggs, water, needles and string if you read the children's books) do account to fears in the original writings. The witch certainly was afraid of water, the Nome king certainly was afraid of eggs, etc.
Man, the scenes where they show a close up of the Nome King's eye was really creepy...but I still love this scene!!!
This movie got panned by the critics for being “to scary” especially compared to the MGM musical, but anyone who’s read the original books, can tell you that it can get pretty dark in the land of Oz. The first book alone features, the tin woodsman, killing several wolves with his axe, the scarecrow breaking the necks of several birds, and the cowardly lion ripping the head off of a giant spider creature.
The books are not dark; Baum's style is too casual and fun for that.
I used to watch this when I was a kid and surprisingly, this didn't scare me at all when I was 7.
I'm 16 and this scene scares the shit out of me.
the scene scary me very much it did
It is no wonder that movie is rated PG
Egg allergy is an immune hypersensitivity to proteins found in chicken eggs, and possibly goose, duck, or turkey eggs. Symptoms can be either rapid or gradual in onset. The latter can take hours to days to appear. The former may include anaphylaxis, a potentially life-threatening condition which requires treatment with epinephrine. Other presentations may include atopic dermatitis or inflammation of the esophagus.
You forgot the rare side effect of crumbling minions
I guess since the Nome King is death, a chicken's egg is life? When you think about the multiple types of symbolism involving a simple egg, it makes you consider why it is that it's the ultimate kryptonite for a giant rock demon...
I know people have said this already, but the stop motion is purely beautiful, everything about this film was great and still is
An egg!!??🥚
That's what is all it will take to defeat the nome king!!! Much to obvious!!!
I grew up watching a slightly edited version taped off the Disney Channel--it cut most of the claymation with the nomes at the end, and it cut the Nome King's eye glazing over and, IIRC, his scream.
Still scared the crap out of me. But that's all right--this is still one of the greatest movies of all time.
One of the most satisfying villain deaths in film IMO
NOME KING-
I AM THE MOST TERRIFYING DISNEY VILLAN! MY ONLY WEAKNESS, A CHICKEN!
Wait why?
NOME KING - IM ALERGIC TO EGGS!
God, this movie was creepy af. I should've freaked out as a kid but surprisingly I was obsessed with this movie. I had a huge girl crush on Fairuza Balk and I'm not even the least bit gay.
Uh huh, uh huh. I had a HUGE crush on Jack Haley (the OG tin man). He encouraged me to watch the Judy Garland film after this awful experience.
Edit: By that, I meant that the Judy film was my favourite at the time (and still is), but I was scared by this. Jack Haley's performance was enough to keep my Oz phase going. :)
I saw Jack Pumpkin head about to get eaten when i watched the movie...And i swear to god me and my friends were screaming "NO NO NO"
I still have yet to see stop motion in any movie that’s more frightening to me than this (excluding the adventures of Mark Twain).
I believe it's the same animator, Will Vinton
The stop motion on display is incredible
i love how they call her "mom" for no reason 🐔🐔🐔
Only jack calls her mom
Touched on earlier in the movie.
ThAnKs MoMmY
I'm pretty sure that the question that was asked by a lot of people that saw the whole movie or even just a clip is "Why?"
Why what?
0:03 "They're coming out of the goddamn walls" Hudson - Aliens
"An...egg?" Best line delivery
A faaaamily picture
Gotta love Will Vinton (creator of the California Raissins, The Domnios Pizza Noied and The PJs), his claymation is creative, but dark and scary.
The Nomes scared the heck out of me when I was little, especially the Nome King turning into a creepy corpse
To think such a big, hulking monster could be destroyed by something seemingly so small and insignificant.
The Nome King's egg death is also the death of Dr. Worely, who died saving his inventions
Back when films scared the crap out of kids instead of insulting their intelligence.
Wow this movie was creepy to me as a kid and even over 30 years later still creepy, it had such a dark vibe to it 😱
Oh my gosh I forgot about this scene. Pretty much every scene in this movie terrified me as a child. BTW, if y'all loved this early stop/clay-motion animation, check out The Adventures of Mark Twain (1985). The one bit with Satan was scary and disturbing as hell for kids haha
A dark twisted sequel that people were so not expecting but I always loved it...❤
Epic villain death!!
Have a drink every time a nome says poison
Sidney Todd WELL NO SH$& SHERLOCK. I THOUGHT YOU WOULD RIDE UNICORNS ONNRAINBOWS WHILE DANCING TO FINGER FAMILY
Why?
Ha! Egg beats Rock!
I love how the Gnome King, 👑 could transform into a gigantic ferocious monster! 🔥😈👹🔥🔥🔥👺
I also love it that there's red light behind him with fire everywhere!!!! I just love how dramatic a scene in a movie like that can be!!
@spawnslipknot14 The Clay Stop-Motion is made by Academy Award Winner Will Venton creator of The California Rassins, The Domnios Nod, Michael Jackson's Speed Demon video, The PJ's and The Adventures of Mark Twain. His animation is amazing, but it is dark and creepy and we needed it. And more kids need to see that in their films.
1:37-1:51 The feeling you get when after eating a meal, you feel seriously unwell; and you suspect you have food poisoning.
Does anyone else find claymation in any form downright scary? It always creeped me out.
This legit terrified me as a kid, I seriously thought for sure Jack would get eaten.
Claymation is so good that it can scare you.
Fairuza Balk plays Dorothy in this movie. She also voiced Connie D'Amico in Family Guy. When the character was first introduced. She's voiced by someone else now. Mila Kunis was in Oz The Great And Powerful. She does the voice of Meg Griffin in Family Guy.
And she was Nancy in The Craft
Imagine peaking on magic mushrooms and walking in to this scene without ever having heard of this movie.
The looks of anguish and "oh no" on the nome king and especially the nomes faces is so detailed and realistic
Nice stop-motion animation with clay for the nomes in a live-action movie like this.
The villains of Oz have some s
Odd allergies
This movie is pure Nightmare fuel 😮
This is the one Disney movie, I will not add to my collection
Trolls and wheelers and fairy kings! Birds that talk and things that sing!~
Magically severed heads that scream! Oh my!
The stop motion here actually makes the gnome king more sinister looking I find?....the way that it would probably not happen if it was CGI.
I agree, and I find that the stop motion effects here hold up really well and fit the tone of the film a lot as well.
The claymation animation reminds me of The Evil Dead ending lol
And i thought The Wicked Witch's death was terrifying.
Man i thought he was gonna say I AM ALLERGIC TO EGGS ! Ι'd be like i get you man , i get you.
I'm still confused years later why the movie portrayed the Nome King and Nomes in general as rock-shifting creatures.
This was pretty traumatic for me when I was a kid. So was "Alice in Wonderland". Oz and Wonderland were two places I'd never wanna visit.
Came straight here when I heard. Will Vinton was everything good about this movie. We're never gonna get another like him again.
A pity it's not so today, but I agree with you 110%.
The Nome King says, "An egg?!!" Then his nome minions say, "Poison!!" Jack says, "Put me down." The Nome King says, "Don't you know that eggs are poison?!!" The chicken says, "Poison indeed!!" The Nome king says, "Poison to nomes!!" Then he is dead 💀!!
Thanks, I needed this comment to know what was going on.
My crippling blindness prevents me from seeing the video so I'm thankful you took the time to write out this comment for me to read in order to understand what's going on.
Well this is kid friendly, no doubt about it....wink
The Nome King and his Nomes were scary from Return to Oz, but it wasn’t until a month later when The Black Cauldron came out, featuring Disney’s most demonic villain, The Horned King and his army of the dead
Oh, him? He was fine. Villains can never be scary, so long as they are 2D animated.
@@SillyCreatureSally it doesn’t matter the animation style, what matters is the feel, atmosphere,and imagery of the film that made The Horned King so demonic.
@@xaviercastro6173 He didn't scare me though. I admit, however, that I watched The Black Cauldron on a projector while on holiday in Wales...
Jack is my favorite character
God that music is eerie