How To Pick a Method to Flatten Your Water Stones
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- čas přidán 22. 08. 2024
- John and Dan discuss the various methods you can use to keep your water stones flat. From diamond lapping plates to huge 12" x 6" flattening stones, there's something here that will help you keep your water stones flat.
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After watching dozens of whetstone and knife sharpening videos, I've finally found a much needed related source of information.
I've been wondering about the proper use of flattening stones for quite sometime now...
Happy we could help! If there's other whetstone and knife sharpening information you need, let us know!
No lapping with loose abrasives on a flat plate, that is my favorite way to dress stones. The abrasive works totally different than if it were bonded, and I think leaves a better surface on your stones.
A word of note, when dressing stones on diamond plates you should keep the mud washed off while using them. That abrasive mud will wear the bond away which is the main mode of wear on them.
Good points all around. Loose abrasives are a great alternative. If you're using flattening stones or lapping plates, we'd certainly recommend using a lot of water. Personally, I like to flatten under running water.
you have solved my life issue.
i think another big difference is that you can use some plates to sharpen your knives also. then again i guess a person could maybe sharpen on a flattening stone as well
Good point! The continuous surface of the Dia-Flat plates makes it easy to use them as sharpeners.
Hello wich one can be good for the shapton pro kuramako?thanks
Can I use my Double Time flattening stone on my Shapton 16,000 grit glass stone?
If you don't want to pony up the big bucks, you can put some drywall screen on any flat surface such as a tile or thick glass and you're good to go
Drywall screen, or some sort of abrasive paper, on a flat surface will flatten a stone but it has a few downsides. The surface left on your sharpening stones can be quite rough with drywall screen, it can leave fairly deep scratches. You can work around this, just a heads up. You'll also need to replace your abrasive fairly regularly. It would be interesting to do a cost comparison of the cost-per-use of drywall screen vs a lapping plate or flattening stone. Thanks for the comment!
Very informative!
Thanks Ken!
Silicone carbide flattening stones will also need to be flattened after some use, if you buy one of these and do not also purchase a diamond flattening plate, you will eventually no longer have a flat stone. The DiaFlat is inspected to be better than 0.0005" and will stay that way through its useful life. Yes, it is expensive... buy once.
How would i prevent the diamond lapping plates from clogging with the particles from flattening the whetstone. I am under the impression you shouldnt wet them with water. Thanks im advance!
You can use them with water, they'll be fine. If they're already a little clogged, this video has tips on cleaning czcams.com/video/GnhZElQJrPE/video.html
I thought the ATOMA Diamond Plates are for sharpening only? Can you really use them to flatten waterstones as well?
I tried out and must say. Yes they do flatten the stones but after flattening just a few of them they already lost their diamonds around the edges. So NO don't use ATOMA Plates for flattening! But what's the the actual difference between ATOMA sharpening plates and the Dia flat for example as both seem to have a thin layer of diamonds clued on to a flat metall surface?
Does the grit of the flattening stone have different effects for the whetstone? Besides material take off time? Also does using a flattening stone change the grit of the whetstone?
A finer grit flattening stone will leave a nicer surface on your finer grit water stones. A flattening stone will not change the grit of a whetstone. You want to make sure you give your stones a good rinse after flattening to remove any larger abrasives that might have transferred over from the flattening stone to the surface of your sharpening stone.
Which anti slip mat is that one ?
It looks nice and I really need one of these
It's the Tormek rubber work mat: www.sharpeningsupplies.com/Tormek-Rubber-Work-Mat-P594C176.aspx
I used the Trend 300 on a Chosera 400/800/2000 set and found the Choseras were all twinkling with tiny diamonds at the end. I used the Choseras face down to reduce "pickup" on the whetstone. Scrubbing the whetstones under running water on completion did not remove all the diamond. It took about 45 minutes of sharpening on each stone to get rid of the diamonds and restore the original feel, particularly on the 400. Flattening was v. fast.
I regard sharpening as a frequent and necessary chore rather than an art form in itself and am looking for a fast, effective and the cheapest means of achieving this. If I invest in a Shapton diamond plate am I likely to have the same experience as described above? I can't see how the issues of concaving the flattening stones or diamond transfer can be avoided, any ideas?. Thanks for your post.
I don't have any experience with Trend diamond stones, but I've used the Shapton diamond plate extensively and haven't had issues with diamonds dislodging from the plate and embedding in my stones.
The new DMT lapping plates are less expensive than the Shapton, and the Hardcoat tech they use to bond diamonds on their lapping plates is very durable. Our sharpening specialist Dan is a big fan of the DMT lapping plates: www.sharpeningsupplies.com/DMT-Dia-Flat-95-Plus-Lapping-Plate-P2042C111.aspx
@@SharpeningSupplies Thanks for your prompt reply. I guess it's a case of getting what you pay for but the price of the Shapton plate is eye-watering for a humble soul like me. I've read that all the latest diamond plates use mono-crystalline dust deeply embedded in a hard nickel base. It must be that some plates just have better quality control than others.
I'll get over the disappointment with the Trend plate before making a decision on the next plate. I can at least strop my way out of trouble for now. Thanks again for your knowledge and advice.
The DMT is probably the best
Hello guys. I purchased 3 kuromaku stones and the double time flattening plate. I love it but have had an issue since new. Some insight would be great. The coarse side of the flattening stone has no resistance and wont take off material. The fine side works perfectly. I always soak the stone for 10 minutes before use
Sorry to hear you're having some issues. Please get in touch with our customer service team. They're happy to help resolve this for you. We guarantee our products and look forward to resolving this.
@@SharpeningSupplies thank you. Great product. Still highly recommend
can i just use my dmt course diamond plate to lap my shapton ceramic stones?
You sure can. DMT coarse is about 325 grit. The DMT lapping plate is 120 grit, so it'll cut a little faster. Depending on what diamond plate you have, the lapping plates and flatting stones might be larger, which makes flattening a little easier.
What kind of DMT lapping plate would be best for 12k grit whetstone ? Thanks. .
Either the Dia-Flat 95 Plus: www.sharpeningsupplies.com/DMT-Dia-Flat-95-Plus-Lapping-Plate-P2042C183.aspx
or the regular Dia-Flat 95: www.sharpeningsupplies.com/DMT-Dia-Flat-95-Lapping-Plate-P451C183.aspx
Do shapton DGLP wear put or something?? Ive been using it and and it seems like its not flattening anymore i only use them on shapton ceramic stones
All diamond lapping plates will wear down over time. How long have you had the Shapton lapping plate?
If you haven't already, you can try cleaning your lapping plate. This video will help with that: czcams.com/video/GnhZElQJrPE/video.htmlsi=hSJvz0UmKmZhsPAk
@@SharpeningSupplies like 5 month :(
Is diaflat better than dglp?
The Dia-Flat is larger and coarser than the Shapton, so it will flatten your stones faster. However, the Shapton will leave a smoother surface on your water stones. Both are great lapping plates.
I got mine from dmt directly so it’s not a sharpening supplies exclusive and it’s cheaper right from the manufacturer
Hi Michael, Dan's referring to the 8" x 3" Dia-Flat, which is a Sharpening Supplies exclusive. You won't find that in the DMT Store. I'm assuming you bought the 10" x 4" lapping plate from DMT. At the time of writing, we're selling them for 24% less than what's available on the DMT Store:
www.sharpeningsupplies.com/DMT-Dia-Flat-Lapping-Plates-C183.aspx
vs
www.dmtonlinestore.com/Dia-Flat-Lapping-Plate-P80.aspx