Buying a HAAS ST20Y CNC Lathe!
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- čas přidán 28. 01. 2020
- The Live Tool CNC lathe is here! You know that CNC milling machines are our comfort zone so when it was time to purchase this lathe, the process was a little daunting. This is a basic overview of the Haas ST-20Y, its features/options, why we chose those options, and how it works. We'll discuss the bar feeder, Y-axis, live tooling, Sandvik Capto tool holders, dual spindles, parts catcher, the Royal QG-65 collet chuck, and the automatic tool probing arm.
I love lathe. And no, I'm not just looking at things in the shop and saying I love them...
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It sounds like you have already though of this. But if you eventually change all your stationary turning tools to the Capto system. Than you can offset them in the control as their own offset. The repeat ability of the system is so good you can just swap the tools for different setups. Just like what you showed for your milling tools. If you need a boring bar, drill or a VBMT or CNMG turning tool in that station. Here we have even used it where there were interference problems with the tools and the chuck or machine cabinet. For instance running a long silent boring bar that would hit the cabinet behind the chuck when turning up close. Just put a program stop with the turret back. Mount the bar. Bore move back, stop remove the bar and continue the program. This system is accurate enough that you don't have to retouch off the bar doing this. If you do stops like this in a program where there could be a real problem if you forgot to remove the tool. This is what I do. I put about three or four M00's in a row with a note saying what to do. That way when you push cycle start and nothing happens you will look at the control and see your note. Believe me when I tell you this has saved me a number of times.
With boring bars or drills are you able to choke the tool up into the holder with the Capto system? I have a 7" long boring bar I often only hang out the holder 2". Can I still do this with that Capto setup?
M 00: M 00: M 00: '' (are you shore that you taken the tool out)'' 🤔🙄😂😂
@@Herbster472 I would say no if the tool has a Capto shank on it. They do make straight shank holders that you cold mount a straight shank tool and choke up on it some but it would only be up to the bottom if its bore like a endmill holder. With this though you would be losing all the advantage of the Capto system. It would be better to use a shorter Capto bar. Or one of the Sandvik's silent bars. I dont personally have any insert drills with Capto shanks. I mount them in endmill holsers.
I always loved the waterfall of m00s with a "Take the fixture bolt out this time, dumbass" note when I was operating. lol
@@Herbster472 The capto boring bars I have seen are always fixed. I like using the round bars with easyfix sleeves: Makes it easy to get them on center.
This was HUGELY informative to someone who has not encountered a beast like this. Thank you SMW!!!!
I love my TL-2. Fast outgrowing it to wanting a STxx-Y for more tools, live tools, full automation, automatic tool offsets, etc. Looking forward to lots of videos. I have projects suited well for your machines. Congrats.
I’m planning to get Haas ST this year. I’m excited to learn more from your future video about ST. Thank you
I never thought I would see the day John buys a full sized CNC lathe. They grow up so fast. Cant wait for new lathe content!
Geeat video John, love the fact you’re making that part on the lathe. Lathes with barfeeders are great automation machines for all kind of parts.
Your shop has grown by leaps and bounds in the last few years. Keep it up!
I bought a new ST20 in July. Really happy with it. The newgen control for the lathes is a great step forward from the last one. I did make some custom slideway covers to protect the tailstock runners when its parked up and just on chucking work.....saves on dints if you drop tools while setting tooling too.
would love to see a photo of those slideway covers! email me? john at nyccnc dot com
@@nyccnc Pic sent.
Very comprehensive intro to your new ST20Y - picked up some interesting points as always !
bout time... been chuckling about some of the stuff you say about lathes for years. YOU GON LEARN TODAY.
I'm just happy to finally know what that "gun" I've been seeing around lathes is for! :D
LOL
Lathes are a whole new world but it is a glorious one!! :-)
Amazing how far you have travelled in the last couple of years.
I really like your video on Hass lathe. Can't wait to see more!
Very cool looking bit of kit. I'm looking forward to seeing it in action.
Awesome! I hope to have one of those soon. At first I thought you were lifting the lathe with your forklift! Then it was just the bar feeder! Phew!
Turning centers with live tooling can do some awesome stuff. I pretty much exclusively run them at my work. It's interesting how Haas interpolates the Y axis. If I'm not mistaken, most of the machines I run (DMG, Older Mori's and an Okuma) use the C axis and X axis simultaneously to interpolate Y. I've run as many as six live heads in one setup.
Very cool! Looking forward to more lathe videos, John.
I setup a ds30ssy all the time! You are 100% right that sub spindle can get in the way every now and then but are ds30ssy alarms out if the sub spindle is in the way. We don't have the ngc it's the older software but on startup we have to home each axis 1 by 1 congratulations on the new lathe you will love it! As for coolant line to clean it out we just put a y adapter with a garden hose to rise out are machines
this guy is really into this thing. and I'm really into that thing. fascinating vid.
So... you’re finally getting around to it...
the automatic tool measurement is 👌👍
This Is is a great video i can’t wait to see more and hear about it on the BOM
I added a wash down hose to my st30. Be particularly careful when spraying any coolant above and around the light. There is a tray that snakes the wire to the electrical panel and will short that light and blow a fuse in the electrical panel. Have fun! 😀
I gotta say, I am thinking of quitting my day job one of these days and turning my hobby into a dream job and I would not be where I am today if I didn’t stumble on this channel back in 2013..... loved watching you make stuff and learning how parts are made (I was not a mechanical engineer or anything so this was all new and exciting for me). Hell, I bought my first mill (tormach) mostly because of the confidence of watching you do your thing with your tormachs and I bought my first newer machine (haas, and super pumped to start playing with it) for a lot of the same reasons. I owe you one my man.... hoping you do another collaborative project, and if so, please put me down to make a part.... it would be an honor....
Well my shitter break is over so I’ll stop ranting.
I did exactly that, got into apprenticeship program, took a big pay cut, but I get to learn from an amazing company and in 3 years I'll be making considerably more than I was before lol. Plus my hobby became my job, and everyday I learn something new.
Our company brought a Mazak QT300 mill turn with a bar feeder a couple of years ago it’s an awesome machine.
Appreciate and enjoy the ST20y content!
Nice video and nice lathe. (8:30-8:33) The finishing spindle has actually been available on Haas lathes for about 14 years (since about 2006) on the TL15 and TL25 lathes with finishing sub spindle and live tools, however Y axis was not available at that time.
That's cool, can't wait to learn more about lathes at my job. Just started CNC apprenticeship program.
John Griffin get ready to work a lot of hours and make no money. If you want a somewhat quality of life I would find a different trade. I guarantee if you are, or get married you'll end up divorced. You'll be very unhappy after about 8 years of doing this stuff. And about that time 3d printers will take over and you will be working for $12 dollars an hour. And all your buddies will be working in good trades that you should be getting into while you can.
Well done 👍 I like your decision making process.
I like using the turret as a part stop instead of that tool you used at the beginning. Nuce lathe never imagined using the y like that.
You've got a ton of comments but just in case you do see this: Heads up with the bar feeder/chuck combo you have. We have the same setup on 3 DS-30s. The spindle pushes forward when it's clamping and this can cause a bit of variability in the stick out length of your stock. 95% of the time it's off by a few thousands so it's insignificant but every once in a while it will come out too far, by 3/8 to 1/2 inch! When we first started about every 2 weeks we would crash or blow up a tool when facing and couldn't figure out what was going on. Now we keep a stop mounted in a tool holder on the turret and push against the stop every time it bar feeds. It's a work around but it beats the alternative. Just a heads up!
Finally, a nice lathe. So many things you did right there. The quick change tool holders are just awesome. As an operator it's annoying to work with two wrenches inside the machine every time one needs to change a tool. Also, very good choice on the collet chuck. You'll love them, or already do ;)
Too bad you can't change the position of the part catcher by programming it, but then again you will probably not need to adjust it too often.
What's the coolant pressure on this machine?
Youve come a long way!
Very cool! I totally dig how the bar feeder moves out of the way to load the spindle liners.....I programmed and ran older HAAS lathes (SL-10,SL-20,SL-30) with the automatic bar feeder and removing the older style bar liners from the spindle was no fun if loaded up with chips.....scraped up my knuckles many times....ouch!!! (You had to reach through the bar feeder to get the liners). The older style lathes had a different style live tooling setup and I really like the new way they do it.......Do those come with the C-axis installed? I know our one lathe at my old job had it.....I believe if you ordered live tooling with your machine, the c-axis was part of the package.
Sweet... Congrat's! So now you have a lathe so you can mill work. Are you doing your lathe work on mills now too? :) It's nice to see toolmakers are finally really getting serious about making integrated tools that can do it all. It's been a long time coming... Have fun and NO CRASHES! ;)
amaizing the machine!
Funny this vid came up! We just received our Goodway GLS2800YS with Siemens Sinumerik 828D control! I'm a lathe man but when you start playing with Y-axis and sub spindles it gets a bit hairy! Especially when parting-off when the main and sub spindles are synchronised 50mm apart! haha! But I love it!
awesome man we are looking at a haas st-35y dual spindle as well!
Hey John, please don't take this the wrong way... I've been following your channel for years (since back when you had around 5000 subscribers) and I really celebrate your incredible success. I also really love seeing those amazing machines you've been fortunate enough to purchase these past few years... but I still miss the videos that are more bootstrappy if you know what I mean. And what about those Arduino videos you've been promising us for years? ;-)
Hi John, nice setup you have there! You're surely going to have some fun with it and, hopefully, this will bring us another great series of videos...
One question, have I missed the one or could you pleeeease make a video about how you sort and manage your cutting tools and holders with those numbers, drawers, plastic tags... I'm struggling to design something simple and efficient for our little shop!
Thanks for all 🙏
That’s fantastic. And you don’t even need to use a pill bottle to get parts like Grismo does or at least used to
!!! Be careful when you do the "Power Up" procedure, I'm working on a ST35y and when I did the procedure one morning the turret just crashed out of nowhere on the tailstock at full speed!!! HAAS said it was a bug with the newer software and it happened a couple times already with others new lathes. It was totally misaligned and after 2 visits from a HAAS tech it still is... But great machine when it works fine haha
i was wondering if we could get an update video on the injection mold that you guys made, like is it still running, has there been any maintenance needing to make good parts still. stuff like that
You're going to wish you went for the half index turret very quickly. Love the vid, keep up the good work.
I bought a DS30Y and would love to see all the info you can provide. :)
I have one of thoes. The barfeeder crashes when you have light plastics and you cannot run anything smaller than .250 in the feeder. Watch the gagues on the bottom ours filled up with hydrologic oil. We have also made custom tool holders for right hand tools to help with tool clearance.
Job shop is a bear because you never know what you’re going to get. This opens up a whole new world without breaking the bank. Is it a Mazak? No, but it lets you do some pretty neat stuff. Good work.
Paul Mace mazak use to be a good name. Haas does 100% better than mazak especially when you count in support and video tutorials and school programs, and finally the price
My Haas rep came by today and gave me a quote for a TL-2 that I was really excited about.... until I watched this video. :-( But I'm happy for you.
That's exactly the machine I want to get next.
Them sandvick tools though 😁👍
You should show the tool changer indexing. My buddy (at widget works) has a DS30Y and watching how fast changer indexes is amazing and terrifying at the same time.
John,
Would love to see a video on how you set the tools using the tool setter..
Wow super cool!
Hey love your channel. I'm looking into buying the smaller version ST10Y, I'm just not sure if its the best machine for my applications. I make thousands of 1/4 x 1/4 x 2" aluminum parts that are very similar and I would think that this machine would be perfect for that but I've heard the live tooling holders wear down and are needed to be worked quiet frequently. I'd love to know how well this machine would do for something similar to my application. since the parts are so small I really cant justify spending the money for a horizontal mill with a pallet changer. if you have any insight I'd really appreciate it. Thanks for all your great videos.
Where du you get those tags you hook to the toolholders?🤔
He has come a long way from his basement operation lol. I'm proud of what he has done.
If I am understanding this correctly the Y axis can move +/- 2”, so a part can be drilled radially or axially up to 2 inches off centerline ?
Did you use fusion 360 to post the milling cut? If so what post did you use ? I can’t find a way to get it to post using the x and y for axial cuts.
Capto tool holders are hands down the best in the business
Awesome keep buying haas automation I love there nascar program!!!
Amazing what CNC can do now days.
We’ve got two mazak equivalents of this lathe, and the haas spindle liner system looks so easy compared to the mazak system. We have small cylindrical tubes that you slide in one at a time with spacers between them. Often have to remove the entire spindle tube to get them out, and the bar feeder (hydrafeed) does not slide out of the way. Also the material can catch the front edge of the spacers and get stuck.
What do you have to eject parts from your sub spindle? That’s our biggest problem is parts not ejecting, then when it comes to make the next part, it smashes the first part into the second. Really reliable ejection of the sub spindle part is essential, especially for lights out. Even resorted to using a parting off blade to come in and slide the part out of the collet sometimes.
We have to make our own if not using the 3 jaw.
Loved the quick detailed walk through!!! Very well done.
You could say, "it was the BOM"
Thanks for this information!👍🇩🇪
Thanks were about to buy our lathe in 2021 can you please!!! pump out some videos on this machine on set up programming it with fusion. I had exactly same idea for a mill part we run that's small but made of m2, 200 part count runs and really simple profile cut then cut the part off then surface grind them flat. And running them outta round bar Stock outta bars would be amazing
It looks like Haas finally got serious with their bar feeder. We got one 5-6 years ago and it was a POS! pain to program and run. Changing the spindle liner was terrible. your bar feeder looks great! Thanks for sharing.
Ujeb08 new one is much better
John, can you please do a fusion Friday on dual spindle live tool programming? I have been trying to do it and hate the gcode fusion has been giving me
Is it possible to make a 3D cut like 3 axis mill with this machine by using live tool?
beautiful machine
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How did you get around running the machine with door opened?
Hey John, waiting for your update on this new lathe ...will you go through how to pick the tools and tips on this machine?
Here's the video we did where we talk about the tooling czcams.com/video/W8l0nr146-4/video.html :)
Nice!!
It will be interesting to watch ... we recently bought dmg clx 450 v6
Nice. I got the Clx550 (v4 i think?) since last April. Best bang for the buck i'd say but it definetily has some down falls.
Hi, we get our CLX 350 V& next month, @Jan Wintraken: which issues do you have with the CLX?
@@richardbaumgartner5693 the Sinumerik is a bit clumsy sometimes. But Overall easy to learn and understand. If you have the coolant System with Filter cartridges and work different materials such as hot rolled Steel,Bronze,Cast iron etc. I suggest you Look for a solution rightaway. Those Filters cost about 450€ each (theres two) and they clogged up pretty much instantly. Dmg says they are not designed for reusing. The smw Chuck this machine came with is not the Best by Design. Try getting a schunk or something similar instead when you are a Job Shop. Also the Chuck is way to powerful to begin with. 10 Bars on that machine are mandatory for safety requirements and the 320 autoblok chucks with 22kn of force at 10 Bar of pressure which is way too high for thin parts.
@@janwintraken We buy the CLX along with our DMU 50 5-axis mill which has the same Siemens control, so we are familiar with this control. The coolant system has an improved pump with 20 bar and I think we get a belt filter along with. I remember this was called the production package... We ordered the lathe with two Hainbuch collet chucks and have differential pressure on both spindles for lighter clamping...
@@richardbaumgartner5693 kk that Sounds like a good package. The Sinumerik isnt particularly Bad but there are some things that could have been done better i feel
Cool, John a lathe is only a mill standing upright cheers from OZ the country on fire.
Lathes are great! Learn to use a 2 jaw Chuck John , one of the best things you’ll ever do !
Enjoyed John!
ATB, Robin
When did haas finally make the switch to BMT instead of VDI? Already got the doosan LSYC but that automatic tool setter got me jealous...nice machine.
About 2016/17
I can’t wait for more videos on this!! Especially programming with fusion. Possibly some post processing for us guys with different controllers? I use Haas st20y post for my miyano machines with Mitsubishi controls and modify the code manually.
Thank you!!!
Ian Bresnahan how does that work?
justin sam I use the basic Haas st20y post and manually change codes that aren’t the same between controllers. Really whatI need is the geometry for milling and turning. I’m slowly modifying the post to make it less work. With multi spindle, multi turret machines the post gets pretty cooky.
Ian Bresnahan which Miyanos do you have?
justin sam 2 BNA42GTY and 2 BNE51MSY, also 4 citizen A20s and 1 L20. The 42mm machines are the more difficult. Triple x, double y, triple z, double c. 10 axis.
You should check out Benz. They have awesome quick change systems.
What was the full cost of eveything for this machine
I wish the vps had milling templates for radial and axial milling, they only supplied drilling.
3:27 Where i can find that blue tool?
Great looking Mist away.....
I hope you have better luck out of it than we have. Bar feeder doesn’t work right on small material and cannot run the machine at 100 percent rapid when going from turning to milling.
Wow, wow, wow.
Just wondering: Did I understand you correctly that you can't do milling on the subspindle ? Or Is it limited to 2 axes at once ?
The finishing spindle will index, but it doesn't have a C axis.
No more products for sale on your website?
Hmmm, how comparable is a Haas machine with the big brands like DMG or Okuma?
How did you disable the noisy cooling fan while making this video?
I will be glad if you make video about how to set tool offset for live tool's..
Haas tip of the day has a good one
I could have used that thing today. My refusal to purchase a lathe often results in my mill being used as a lathe with a cutter in the vise and the part in my spindle. Fusion 360 that.
I wish you success and lasting success
for the 2020 Bloopers the ST20Y will be included , would be better if not , but it will be . Mind the clearance and and the 'hand' of the tool .
Nice, you got the liners rather than those little 100mm long tubes they sometimes use. I dislike those things and they take much longer to setup than a liner.
link to that stop that you're using? I normally just use my combi squares, but this looks a little more simple and i could have one sitting at each lathe.
Stop-loc
GL, i am not a big fan of that exact machine, but i've discovered im more of a Doosan Puma and Mazak guy.
It seems live tooling is so expensive, that it's cheaper to buy a lathe and then buy a mill. This is what my boss was pretty much telling me. Then half the active tooling sits. We've been getting a part that would be sweet to have a active tooling lathe. Little bit of turning then milling some .020" through slots. Very small part. Then we have some SS 316 parts that get a 7/8ths hex on them, if I remember right.
Is it a bad question if I ask how much is the total cost of your investment please? I believe this is a US cost
my dream work in this place, i from Brazil, very nice
Being able to program SUCCESSFULLY an SY lathe is a hot commodity
I’d open a CNC machine shop myself, but I don’t know where to get orders :-(