5 tips to improve your BACKHAND LOOP (with Ferenc Horvath)

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  • čas přidán 28. 09. 2020
  • In this video, top coach Ferenc Horvath gives 5 tips to help you improve your backhand loop.
    To become an advanced table tennis player, it is essential that you can loop backspin balls (i.e. pushes and chops).
    Many players, including myself, find the backhand loop a little tricky to do. There is a real skill needed to co-ordinate the legs, forearm and wrist to generate lots of speed and spin with your backhand.
    But help is at hand. In this video Ferenc explains in detail the technique needed to master the backhand loop. There is also lots of footage of Ferenc demonstrating the shot. I have been on the receiving end of Ferenc's backhand loop many times, and it is a wonderful shot.
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Komentáře • 119

  • @hopjoywastaken
    @hopjoywastaken Před 3 lety +19

    Timestamps:
    0:50 bat position
    2:10 swing
    4:13 bat finishing position
    5:41 grip
    6:45 more speed and spin
    8:23 backhand loop in action

  • @maxmusfulla2114
    @maxmusfulla2114 Před 3 lety +7

    Most detailled backhand explanation on CZcams 👌

  • @belomo2009
    @belomo2009 Před 3 lety +32

    IMO! This is the best backhand topspin tutorial you will find. This is exactly how Liam Pitchford does his.

    • @paragontabletennis8555
      @paragontabletennis8555 Před 3 lety +1

      Thank you! :)

    • @darrinkulyk9560
      @darrinkulyk9560 Před 3 lety

      Definitely Enjoyed That Thankyou

    • @hondagod904
      @hondagod904 Před rokem

      I would have to disagree. This is because many players, myself included don’t like Liam Pitchford’s play style. Now don’t misunderstand, Liam Pitchford is top 100 he’s an outstanding players and should be praised. However for people who don’t like this play style, this is not the “best” tutorial. No need for an argument btw I’m just saying this to throw it out there. This video helped me out a ton.

  • @ujjalchatterjee9198
    @ujjalchatterjee9198 Před rokem +1

    Such a nice demonstration with slow rhythm of speaking, which help us to understand all important actions. GREAT.

  • @halter777
    @halter777 Před 3 lety +9

    Really good tutorial, Ferenc explained it very well. He seems very consistent in his shots.

  • @justchill99902
    @justchill99902 Před 3 lety +5

    His teaching videos are so amazing.. they definitely deserve way more likes and views.. :)

  • @clockworkorange2915
    @clockworkorange2915 Před 3 lety +3

    Thanks Tom and ferenc that was brilliant . The attention to detail is exactly what i need to execute this shot and im starting to get there.

  • @bryany99
    @bryany99 Před 3 lety +2

    Very helpful. Great detail. Thanks!

  • @kdgr
    @kdgr Před 3 lety +1

    Super Tom!!!
    Thank you Ferenc.
    🏓👍

  • @adamfuzes8391
    @adamfuzes8391 Před 3 lety +2

    Great video, thanks!

  • @fredriksigeman
    @fredriksigeman Před 3 lety +4

    Thanks! Ferenc is really great at this. Perfect tutorial.

  • @lapadatcristi6083
    @lapadatcristi6083 Před 3 lety

    Very very good tutorial!! Keep up the good work!!!

  • @yusufshaha3980
    @yusufshaha3980 Před rokem

    Wow! How beautifully explained...👍

  • @KenHarrington32
    @KenHarrington32 Před 2 lety +5

    Loved this tutorial Tom and Ference. I always had a good backhand, but with this extra shot it will deffoe give my usual opponents a bit of a shock. Great stuff guys keep it going please.

  • @MLaciBp
    @MLaciBp Před 2 lety

    Thank You Tom! Köszönöm, Ferenc!

  • @nym053
    @nym053 Před 3 lety +2

    Thank you very much! The best explaination of the backhandloop. Now it makes sense. I should lift the forearm first and then put the wrist Into action and not holding the wrist down Before moving the arm. Now I get why that doesn't work. The wrist is turned before hitting the ball. Moving the wrist later as a whipping action will impact the ball at the right time

  • @tabletenniswithabp3468
    @tabletenniswithabp3468 Před 3 lety +2

    Very detailed explaination of Backhand Loop. Thanks a lot for this amazing Video

  • @ricograube7732
    @ricograube7732 Před 3 lety +1

    grest video, and very very detailed. awesome!

  • @teicck9041
    @teicck9041 Před 3 lety +2

    Yahoo i need TT tips and tricks and thank you 👍🏻👍🏻🤩

  • @robertliszka8130
    @robertliszka8130 Před 3 lety

    Kolejny dobry film Tomaszu, dzięki ✌️

  • @humbertomenezes8109
    @humbertomenezes8109 Před 10 měsíci

    Sou do Brasil, parabens pelo video rapido e direto, foi otima sua explicacao e técnica, vou colocar em prática e muito obrigado!

  • @tolgatoksoz3730
    @tolgatoksoz3730 Před 3 lety

    Perfect lessons thanks alot.

  • @julianmorales9064
    @julianmorales9064 Před 3 lety +2

    thanks it was quite useful

  • @Franky_1974
    @Franky_1974 Před 3 lety +2

    Wow. Very nice tipps, Ferenc. Everybody told us, to fix the elbow and only rotate with the forearm. But this technique is insane! Thanks a lot!

    • @TomLodziak
      @TomLodziak  Před 3 lety +1

      Yes, Ferenc has a very fluid technique with his forearm and wrist. I like it a lot.

    • @Franky_1974
      @Franky_1974 Před 3 lety +1

      Me too. I will try to acquire this technique ;-)

  • @ellaella6616
    @ellaella6616 Před 3 lety +1

    Thanks for the tips I really appreciate it 😁😊😅

  • @schinnery6335
    @schinnery6335 Před 3 lety +1

    Great tutorial. This backhand smash/loop has always been my best shot. This tutorial helped me tweak out and correct some bad habits I discovered I had. Terrific video. Thank you very much.

  • @PingBrothersTR
    @PingBrothersTR Před 3 lety +1

    Very good video 🏓

  • @adindacakraningrat5613

    Thanks Tom. Appreciate.

  • @sanjarnarzullaev
    @sanjarnarzullaev Před 3 lety +1

    Great video

  • @mazwirwir5143
    @mazwirwir5143 Před 3 lety

    Thank you coach👍🏻

  • @otisskopik1400
    @otisskopik1400 Před 3 lety +1

    great stuff

  • @nzrealpk7629
    @nzrealpk7629 Před 3 lety +1

    Great tips that,ll cure my weak backhand low shot..to develop into something..
    from a Auckland senior

  • @richardready6272
    @richardready6272 Před rokem

    Excellent Tom & always looking forward to your video’s & the guests of Who’s Who of the Table Tennis 🏓 World Novice Sydney down under ❤like the break down & commentary & the contents of all your video’s 💯😜🤙🏽😎👍🏽👌🏽

  • @DANVIIL
    @DANVIIL Před 2 lety

    Excellent!

  • @karlmaier8904
    @karlmaier8904 Před 3 lety +3

    super video,the same in vorhand topspin please...

  • @scotchtape4885
    @scotchtape4885 Před 3 lety +1

    Yayy! Tom uploaded!

  • @nickludu2251
    @nickludu2251 Před 2 lety

    this is the best tutorial that makes more sense

  • @ArmandBistreanu
    @ArmandBistreanu Před 3 lety +1

    Great tutorial. Can u point out the differences between backhand topspin and backhand loop? Maybe a side-to-side tutorial or some references to ur past tutorials will be welcomed. Thanks.

  • @tungnguyenvan2298
    @tungnguyenvan2298 Před 3 lety

    Great video as always. Could you please make a tutorial of how to receive short/long no spin ball/serve? It’s quite hard for me to handle that type of ball. Thank you.

  • @sureshakella4263
    @sureshakella4263 Před 7 měsíci

    Nice coaching

  • @alexanderdonth4680
    @alexanderdonth4680 Před 3 lety +1

    Hi Tom, I would like to thank you and Ferenc for the video of the forhand loop. Especially step 6, position on the table... close to the table, left leg "under" the table... this was a detail really helped me to do "one step forward" to get an imagination how forhand loop works... "the ball is falling down close to the table" --> you have to stay close to the table, facing the ball... 👍👍👍

  • @EugenJaded
    @EugenJaded Před 3 lety +2

    Хороший урок. Спасибо.

  • @nnamdichrisume9384
    @nnamdichrisume9384 Před 3 lety +3

    Thank you Tommy!

  • @abcdefghi7325
    @abcdefghi7325 Před 3 lety +3

    Thank you :)

  • @mihai8555
    @mihai8555 Před 3 lety +1

    Me again, I have one suggestion. Now you have a good video on forehand loop and one on backhand, how about a video with focusing on the transition back and forth between the two (for players that don't switch grip)? I don't find that much on CZcams on this topic, and Ferenc' input on this could be really helpful for beginners like me.

  • @joecheng7491
    @joecheng7491 Před rokem

    Very good demotration

  • @jeanbalthazar8014
    @jeanbalthazar8014 Před 3 lety +1

    Thanks a lot.

  • @MistaR17
    @MistaR17 Před rokem

    The most elegant shot in table tennis.

  • @nguyenanhquynh7322
    @nguyenanhquynh7322 Před 3 lety +3

    Tom, this video focuses more on looping backspin? or the same technique applies to both topspin & backspin? if not, please have another video focusing on looping topspin. Ferenc is an amazing coach, thanks!

    • @ngocduongtran5749
      @ngocduongtran5749 Před 3 lety

      When Tom use the word Looping is just use in case backspin ball. If topsin is Tom will use word topspin back hand against topspin ball.

    • @TomLodziak
      @TomLodziak  Před 3 lety +2

      If the ball has topspin, you should start with your elbow and bat higher. You also need to close the bat angle and the stroke should be more forwards than up. I always think of it this way - if backspin - swing up, if topspin - swing forward.

    • @schinnery6335
      @schinnery6335 Před 3 lety

      Tom Lodziak love that simplicity: backspin swing up; topspin swing forward

    • @nguyenanhquynh7322
      @nguyenanhquynh7322 Před 3 lety

      Tom, there are many suggestions about shifting weight from left to right when looping backhand, but this video never mentioned it. Or Ferenc technique is different?

  • @kneckedeck
    @kneckedeck Před 3 lety +3

    Great tutorial! If the opening backhand topspin is against backspin, how would the movement for the followup bh attack differ? I realize the energy should be more forwards than upwards, but it would be great to hear you explain this. Again, thanks for the video!

    • @paragontabletennis8555
      @paragontabletennis8555 Před 3 lety +4

      The key for an effective follow-up topspin is your elbow position, recovered balanced stance and relaxed elbow-wrist. With the open-up, if the follow-through is properly done, your elbow is taken to a centered, idle position, high enough to give you a good chance to topspin the next blocked-back ball on the top (10-40 degrees). Since the open-up takes you close to the table, you need to make sure that the follow-up doesn't find you too close. The contact timing on the backhand follow-up can be earlier than the highest point of the arc, to give you more offensive edge. The swinging wave is launched simply around the elbow by the forearm muscles, the swinging angle is closely aligned with the racket angle, the upper arm shouldn't really move. For me, the wrist does 80% of the job, the elbow 20%. If your elbow is stable during the topspin, the quality and consistency will increase. See at 8:43.

    • @kneckedeck
      @kneckedeck Před 3 lety

      @@paragontabletennis8555 Thank you for your answer! I'll need to read that a couple of times and let it sink in... 🙂

  • @accountaccount3840
    @accountaccount3840 Před 2 lety

    Thanks 😊

  • @blikomang2417
    @blikomang2417 Před 3 lety

    Iam beginner thanks coach, I will try it with friends

  • @chriszod
    @chriszod Před 3 lety +3

    Nice video...i always enjoy.
    I wish i can get a giveaway racket from u of any sort, just a confused player without rubber😭

  • @mickteixeira5422
    @mickteixeira5422 Před 3 lety +36

    I'm learning British english and also how to play table tennis 😅

    • @pingcredible3477
      @pingcredible3477 Před 3 lety

      why?

    • @mickteixeira5422
      @mickteixeira5422 Před 3 lety +1

      @@pingcredible3477 I'm brazilian, my native language is portuguese.

    • @pingcredible3477
      @pingcredible3477 Před 3 lety +2

      @@mickteixeira5422 Oh cool!!

    • @hotlavafse6932
      @hotlavafse6932 Před 3 lety +1

      @@pingcredible3477 What is a loop? Im new to table tennis

    • @pingcredible3477
      @pingcredible3477 Před 3 lety +2

      @@hotlavafse6932 Loops are like heavy topspin shots. You see players hit down to up at an angle. I actually did some looping in my video but it isn't the best.

  • @stanislavlubinskij7492

    Thanks Tom , by the way, what equipment using Ferenc Horvath ?

  • @mihai8555
    @mihai8555 Před 3 lety +1

    Hi, very nice video.
    One thing though, the part where Ferenc explains how to move the wrist - imho, what you do AFTER making contact with the ball has no effect anymore on the ball. I feel Ferenc does not explain correctly why you should let your wrist swing to the end. He is right, but he is not explaining the reason. I remember seeing a different tutorial that explains the premature breaking effect that can happen if you don't swing freely.

    • @paragontabletennis8555
      @paragontabletennis8555 Před 3 lety +1

      Thank you for your insight! It is mentioned in the video that if you don't swing your wrist to the right side endpoint, you "sacrifice a little bit of extra spin" (from 4:56) meaning your maximum spin output would be less. What could have been added is that the wrist follow-through has an essential role in controlling, directing these loops, pinpointing their placement accuracy, creating higher arc loops when necessary. Also, that right side bat endpoint relaxes your wrist by driving it to an aligned, straight "idle" position, keeping your wrist and forearm relaxed during those milliseconds between consecutive loops.

  • @user-ql1uh8ph8m
    @user-ql1uh8ph8m Před 3 měsíci

    Thanks

  • @eloimumford5247
    @eloimumford5247 Před 2 lety

    All is said , now its time to practice and relax mentally !

  • @mojtabaghafoory8474
    @mojtabaghafoory8474 Před 3 lety

    About grip, i found that if i loosen my index and thumb but apply pressure with other three fingers i get more bat speed but i lose control of shot. So which one is better? Holding bat with thumb and index finger or other three fingers

  • @user-lq6mq6uu4h
    @user-lq6mq6uu4h Před 3 lety +2

    Super

  • @SkepticalCaveman
    @SkepticalCaveman Před 3 lety

    I guess I will improve my best weapon even further.

  • @winstonlim9625
    @winstonlim9625 Před 3 lety

    What is the rubber Ferenc Horvath on this BH loop? Asking if short pips can do this job?

    • @paragontabletennis8555
      @paragontabletennis8555 Před 3 lety

      I use Xiom Omega series, currently Omega IV Pro (max). Short pips require a different technique to attack backspin, unfortunately.

  • @ertanuca5463
    @ertanuca5463 Před 3 lety

    He has good forehand as well...

  • @karlbjerke133
    @karlbjerke133 Před 2 lety

    Is this only used against backspin?

    • @TomLodziak
      @TomLodziak  Před 2 lety +1

      Yes, this is to be used against a backspin ball. Against a topspin ball you can use a similar stroke (topspin), but your bat should start higher and go forwards, rather than up. Your bat angle will be more closed and the contact will be more over the top of the ball, rather than up the back of the ball.

  • @Audaione
    @Audaione Před 3 lety

    how to hit long distance spin

  • @riccardoscotton5371
    @riccardoscotton5371 Před 2 lety

    Dear Tom I would like to make some comments.
    In another video you admit that the backhand loop is a "sore point" not only for you, but for most of low level and intermediate players, so it could be a good idea to develop this concept in another two videos at least that could be very useful for your many followers.
    1) I noticed that you provide us many examples of backhand loops, multiball training like this, but the opening action starts only when the ball is quite long, that is easier. Very often, during a real match, a good defender plays short balls and force the attacker in long pushes courses rallies that usually ends with an error of the attacker. Could you please teach us how to open a short ball, with heavy underspin effect? I guess the key from the attacker point of view could be try to force long pushes until a long ball comes and then attack it with a loop. But it is not easy at all, especially during the stress of a match. One video with tips and drills to overcome this mental and technical point could be welcomed by you.
    2) Some players says the it is easier to open with a backhand loop if you use short pimples rubber, that is a sort of trick for being less sensible to underspin effect. Could you explain in practice this concept? Is there in your club a player with short pimples rubber that is available to show us this tecnique? Could you suggest us some training drills useful also in this case?
    Thank you very much for your attention.

    • @TomLodziak
      @TomLodziak  Před 2 lety +1

      You raise many interesting points here. Let me have a think about this. I often cover this when I'm coaching others, but I'll need to work out how to make it into a video tutorial.

    • @riccardoscotton5371
      @riccardoscotton5371 Před 2 lety

      @@TomLodziak Thank for your answer and your efforts to make tennistable more and more enjoyable and understandable to your many fans and followers.

  • @ielts2lua451
    @ielts2lua451 Před měsícem

    I think this is a modern technique

  • @marci6154
    @marci6154 Před 3 lety

    Magyarul nem csinálsz egy ugyan ilyet?

  • @kenji2787
    @kenji2787 Před 2 lety

    I don’t know if the blocking guy is messing up purposely. Otherwise, SH has really horrible blocks. Any shot to the middle and he’s completely helpless. I thought that’s only a problem with beginners. I am a beginner penholder looking to switch to SH and I think those balls are slow enough (like practice mode) to block with TBP.

  • @ElloRadis
    @ElloRadis Před 3 lety

    Who use left and right hand

  • @yunghanhuang8188
    @yunghanhuang8188 Před 2 lety

    sound quality could be improved

  • @sanjaydevit502
    @sanjaydevit502 Před 2 lety

    Is everyone here to dominate the office or is it just me ?

  • @winglow7615
    @winglow7615 Před 3 lety +1

    Very few people know how to do back hand. You are no exception. First, you are stiff. Second, your left foot should be forward. Third, your backswing should be straight down your left side and part with a side spin. Fourth, you must follow through as though you are hitting a gold ball. Enough for now. As they say, just have fun.

  • @RanjeetKumar-zi7ne
    @RanjeetKumar-zi7ne Před 3 lety

    Ferenc Horvarth is Very cute 🌈🌈🌈👌👌👌💐💐👍👍

  • @systumm_hr26_
    @systumm_hr26_ Před 3 lety +1

    First

  • @badbreathdunghead2683
    @badbreathdunghead2683 Před 2 lety

    by the way , his posture doesnt look pretty lol
    anyway i enjoyed it keep the good work

  • @ricardopinto4249
    @ricardopinto4249 Před 5 měsíci

    Looks awful, so stiff 😅 Looping backhand is a beauty and powerful 😊