KTM 690 Enduro R - 2021 - Can You Travel With This Motorcycle?
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- Is this an adventure travel option?
In this video, I will try to be as objective as possible and tell you the pros and the cons of the new KTM 690 Enduro.
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I bought this model several weeks ago and yes very expensive for a 650 single. BUT it has SUBLIME clutch and transmission with assist/slipper and up and down quick shifter! It is hands down THE most powerful single cylinder of ALL motorcycles sold today! It has nice suspension and handling for it's displacement....yes it is is tall but no taller than a Yamaha T7 which btw has no more hp and weighs A LOT LOT more and lacks the cool features...Also virtually all 700 Yamahas currently go for premium dollars well over msrp which no one can buy them for around here...I have taken the 690 on rides that I personally would have had to turn back on several times on anything heavier....the bike DELIVERS me every time! I recently rode it 205 miles which maybe 75ish were on zig zagging steep mountain dirt road....I was so tired coming back down (in pitch dark) but the bike handled so well I never got scared....Then back on the lonesome highway I rode at speeds up to 80mph.....vibration is much better than most singles if you ask me! I mean it IS a big single but it was fine the only wobble ever is trying to acclerate to top speed as fast you can through the gears ....i think the weight transfers backwards and rear suspension compresses as the forks extend and briefly you have less than ideal stability and a little front twichyness.....easily rectified by not doing that lol.... but it has not scared me so far....it is typical of bikes set up for the dirt...a steering damper would be something to consider i suppose....But IF you are like me and HATE boring under powered bikes? You love the motor on this bike! This bike seriously loves to wheely ....providing of course setting traction control to allows it (or turn it off!) ! It also LOVES to spin the rear tire making it easy to slide around turns on fire roads! This motorcycle is for people who LOVE to enjoy PERFORMANCE! Even maybe more than the sights and destination....if all you care about is "getting to destination"? You can save a ton of money buying more practical means....This motorcycle would be WASTED on anyone too timid to explore what the model has to offer! AKA going faster lofting the front end sliding etc....This is a RIDER's motorcycle NOT just a tool to get you from point a to point b for least money ...it is the Porsche of Big displacement single cylinder dual sports ....along with its fraternal twin Husky 701 it is hands down THE BEST of that catagory! You simply could not spend enough money trying to modify any other single cylinder dual sport to achieve what this model provides.....and that is off the showroom floor! Spend a few grand on making the 690 even better? You would have ultimate machine in this class.....Having said all this there is NO ideal compromise....you have to own a stable of motorcycles to truly do each type of riding with best result....Trying to force one to do it ALL great? Is a hopeless pipe dream to begin with....pick the MAIN type thing you enjoy and start with THAT then make it livable for other demands
Great comment mate!
A great read
I have the 701. I've seriously modified it. Nomad Adv fairing. Luggage racks, running 50/50 tyres and a Seat Concepts seat and a low front mudguard. It is a fantastic TET bike. But for a big tarmac trip with a few easy trails, there are much better bikes. I have a Tiger 900 Rally Pro which is superb on the road and with decent 50/50 tyres is useable on easy trails. But for someone like me, who does half my kilometrin on dirt roads, and about 65% of my riding hours, with light camping gear, this is the best bike on the market for me. And I'm no off road expert. If I were better, I could ride a bigger bike off road.
If you want a light bike, it has to be a single. There’s no getting around that.
Did you have any mechanical problems that they talk about KTM´s? I like this bike, i think will be perfect for me.
@@MattPerry if you're asking me, I've had clutch problems, and I've had a Rekluse which I've just thrown away. 2 of my friends have newer models than my 2016 model. The extra 5 or 6 bhp make the bike a lot livelier. One friend has had no trouble, another friend's bike spat its engine out. Husqvarna France were good but slow with the repairs. So, my experience is reliability is not fantastic. But there really is nothing similar. I've put about 50,000 km onto mine, mostly TET miles or highway getting to TET or other mixed tarmac/trail mix. The clutch is a known issue. My trouble-free friend put an Oberon slave, his bike never misses a beat, but this friend is a steady rider, doesn't wheelie or slide his back end about or generally arse about, whereas I do. So that might explain my clutch even though I tend to be gentle on clutches, even hoisting wheelies or helping the back end break out with a bit of clutch. In 35 years of riding, I've had 4 clutches go, 2 on an R1200GS air-cooled. BMW were dicks with the warranty claim, and 2 on this 701. The 701/690 is in a class of its own. It will do everything well enough if you throw some money at sorting out its comfort which out of the crate is, frankly, crap. Out of the crate, its neither a good trail bike and horrible on the road unless you treat it like a supermoto.
You have saved me from buying a KTM Enduro 690 for highway purposes. Thanks sir!
Obviously the one he tested must have some serious problems. I own a 2020 model. Mine is very smooth nearly zero vibration. Brakes, it would be nearly impossible to find better brakes. My 690 can cruise north of 75 mph no problem very steady and confident. I can ride mine all day in comfort. I can see why some may opt for a better seat I can understand why a big touring machine would be your pick if never off road and interstate is your thing. But if backroads, dirt and some interstate is plan I have found this to be a very very good bike. I have owned touring bikes, dual sports, super moto, Harley’s and pure race dirt bikes. Again his test bike 690 is no reflection of my 690. Love mine.
It was brand new motorcycle
It is not a singular case . I have heard the same thing about Husqvarna fe501. There are variations within the same model and year.
I just bought a 2019 with only 187 miles and is also very smooth for being a single cylinder I find it super smooth, is a night and day difference compare with my previous bike Suzuki DR 650
It's all about where you come from. If you are used to smooth sports or naked bikes you will notice the vibrations. If you've been more into single cylinders it will be quite smooth.
@@thetablecreek +1 I own a 2021 690 coming from a 2020 Honda Africa Twin Adventure Sports and the first hundred kilometers the vibrations are there, but they are not so high. I use it for commuting working days (80km in total. 55 of highway the others very twisty roads) and almost every weekend I navigate Wikilock ofroad tracks, I use the fastest route to the start of the track, and then twisties to return home. At first, and coming from a big adventure bike, the highway kilometers are a pain in the as, and if you use a dirt helmet the wind will torture your neck beyond 100 km/h. But with a proper road full screen helmet I can cruise at 120/140 km/h without any problem, and if necessary, the bike still has plenty of power to overtake in a blink. It is way more responsive and aggresive than the Honda at any speed.
Now I'm planning a big ofroad trip for around 10 days, and I'm so excited about it... I'm in love with this bike.
Put a Rally Raid tank on it and pannier rack and you can take it round the world and service it yourself too. I did. I rode a 2016 model from Anchorage Alaska to Ushuaia Argentina solo just me and a tent. Best bike for the job in my opinion
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That sounds like a great trip! What was your least favorite part of the bike? Any other mods you recommend?
I like my 690 a lot. Haven’t noticed the vibrations that some of the reviewers have complained about until I reach 85 mph which I don’t really reach very often. I bought it so I could get back into the trails since my other bikes are street only. I was thinking about the ktm exc500 or the 690 enduro and chose the 690 because of the larger fuel capacity and higher mileage maintenance intervals. My only complaint at first was the low rpm throttle response but a catless slip on exhaust, Rottweiler fueling dongle and uni foam air filter has helped remedy that a lot. Plus I’ve realized that the motor is happier above 3500 rpm’s. It’s been a great addition to my garage and don’t see it going anywhere anytime soon.
Enjoy it!
I have one. It's a Unicorn in Colorado. If I were to ride from here to the tip of South America or in Africa, I would consider nothing else. (Mine is dialed in...)
Good, enjoy it!
@@motorcycleadventures I got mine when I got back from my trip to South America. I live in CA, but I'm trying to move to Co. Totally agree with you! I'd ride round the world with mine.
It's a great bike on the trails. Have an Africa Twin for long distance / trails..... but the 690 is a beast off-road
For me it is the perfect gravelroad beast. Because with air, exhaust and powercommander it is truly a beast.
Stock it is pretty tame below 5000rpm and feels high reving. Mine has a lowering kit and feels stable up to 150, but the wind makes it unbearable over 110kmh.
Very good review !
Thanks for sharing!
I now own 690 enduro, previously owned street triple and trust me, speed 110km/h is bearable. The wind is no problem until like 160-170km/h but 690is not built for that speed either. You can do 100% offroad on 690 and you will be fine, also you can do 690 100%onroad. Perfect 50/50 bike for me.
It is a fantastic short trip motor cycle eg:A weekend away with your mates for a dedicated dirt ride.Like you said it is worth spending a little money putting on a suitable screen(Yes they are available),oxford heated grips and a few other things but as a long distant tourer you are better off starting with an 890 or similar as you have mentioned.The new motor has a balancing shaft and I have found the quickshifter to be brilliant.A concepts seat will also help.I have found you can easily cruise at 140km's on the highway but I think you have to choose a suitable off rd tyre.Cheers.
Thanks for taking the time!
New video😍 thank you for sharing this video with us!!
My pleasure!
I tested the 690 for a week and came to the exact same conclusion. A few additional personal experiences: The exhaust gets SMOKING hot. I damaged my riding pants on the left foot because the exhaust header meltet my pants through the heat shield. The exhaust can gets so hot that you can cook eggs on it. Be really careful if you put luggage on it, it will catch fire! The normal lights are crap, no use at all at noon.The tank is reaaaly small, only ~200km range and that is without luggage. As pavlin stated, in order to build a true adv motorcycle you have too throw another 3k at it.
Bigger tank, bigger seat, rally tower, bar weights to decrease vibration, aftermarket exhaust so it doesnt cook you. What you then get is a 14.000€ adv bike which is really good on dirt but only acceptable on the street. But if we are honest with ourselves, the truth is that most riders ride 90%+ on asphalt roads. Do you really want to compromise 90% of riding only to have a little better dirt perfomance which most riders cant really use anyway? For me at least its not and i am glad that i got a tenere 700. Dirt perfomace more than enough for my skill, street performance MUCH more enjoyable and also adv ready for 10k, 4k less than the 690. Thanks for confirming my view pavlin.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
The problem is that not a single manufacturer can be bothered making a truly dirt capable lightweight adv bike. All we get are 200 kg road based bikes and for committed dirt riders, they are unsuitable. The manufacturers have been pushing this “adventure weekend warrior” concept for a while and it’s obviously selling bikes. You are spot on re needing to blow lots of money on the few capable dirt bikes, but that is our only option. I did exactly that on my Xchallenge/DR/DRZ and found my perfect bike, the EXC500. And look at the new CRF250/300’s, pathetic tank size, underpowered and still the same weight as a DR.
Pavlin once said that you should choose the bike for the worst terrain you ride. That is what why we buy and modify these bikes and put up with less than perfect road ability.
I have the same thoughts. The 690 might be great offroad, but honestly: do I need this offroad capability? I am just back from a two week vacation of 4000km here in Sweden which were 2/3 gravel roads. Even on the slightly more tricky tractor trails in the woods I did not really have problems on my much heavier 790 R. That bike offers 450km range and much more comfort. So while I do in fact find the idea of "lighter is better" mostly true, for travelling on roads (be it paved or unpaved) the 690 might be overkill!
@@kai-uweoch1159 True. Also there is again a big difference between a 200-210kg bike and 260-270kg bike.
Another aspect is, that a lighter bike that handles tricky sections for sure better than a heavier one, gets much more negatively effected by luggage weight. While I don‘t notice so much difference on the handling of my 790 with 20kg gear on it, 20kg on the rear of a 690 are very clearly noticeable. My travel partner on a 690 was really happy doing day rides from a basecamp with no luggage, while it didn‘t make so much difference for me to have the luggage on the bike or not.
I rode one 2 weeks ago in the parking lot here. Tip toe and slow but felt like a very light bike compared to anything I ever had .
It is light and powerful.
I have the SMC model and it-s really exating, no dirt roads but in mountains road it´s magnific. I Dont like to ride over 120 AND I love to be fast in mountains courners. Í ´m really in love with this bike, every thing is so easy with it.
Thanks for sharing!
Can you share your ideas about vibration on SMC? I think due to road tires and new engine balancer there is almost no vibration with compare to other single cylinders... ?? I have seen 690 duke reviews, they were saying it works like a twin engine. I am looking to buy a SMC-R 2021, thanks.
Very good and honest review 👍
Glad it was helpful!
I rode the 2019 model on the autobahn with 120-130 km/h for about 5 hours with only small breaks and found it to be quite well performing.
The lack of windscreen helps to have no buffeting and additional noise on the helmet.
It had the aftermarket seat, which is more comfortable.
The suspension was comfortable & it felt stable to me with enough power.
I'm 184 cm with about 80 kg & I rode without luggage.
Just to give another perspective.
Performance and comfort aren't the same thing 😀
Interestingly enough I find different people saying that highway cruising is totally possible on the stock 690 and others having the opposite opinion. I think that's often related do the background: people coming from dirt bikes vs. who's more used to street bikes. So, to prove my point and add more to your prospective: is you background more on dirt or road bikes?
My bike is a 2011 Yamaha XT1200Z and we go on holiday trips around Europe & for a while I had some trouble with my windshield, because it created turbulences and noise around the helmet.
I found that helmets work best aerodynamically if they are in undisturbed wind, but of course you get more wind and pressure to the chest with no windshield.
The XT1200Z is a completely different bike of course with a sofa seat & luggage wise etc.
My previous bikes were sport touring bikes.
I liked the long travel suspension of the KTM 690 even on normal roads, because around here most roads are old & bumpy
I recommend wearing ear plugs for any bike for >30 min rides to avoid getting Tinnitus & hearing damage especially on the highway
Well, as I said in the video this bike a different purpose.
@@motorcycleadventures It's true, but you also said every bike is an adventure bike! ✌☺ I think the KTM 690 is not the best option to recommend overall, but it has a niche advantage with weight & all road capabilities over many other bikes
I have a Husqvarna 701 Enduro (a KTM 690 with white plastic). I installed a MSC Moto steering damper, Lynx fairing/headlight kit, Seat Concepts seat, larger pegs and a host of other upgrades. The bike is much more stable now at higher speeds and a pure joy to ride. I come from a motorcross background and the larger adventure/duel sports just feel too heavy and cumbersome to me. With the mods I can do long road rides and head off onto the dirt with confidence.
Enjoy it!
You summed it up nicely. It all depends on how much dirt you end up doing. A shame you couldn't test in the dirt as I think you'd like it more. I think the 690 sits nicely in the middle of an light weight Enduro and a big heavy ADV twin. Many people in comments section prefer the T7, but the 690 is about 50 kg lighter which makes a difference when things get rough off-road.
Thanks for taking the time!
@@motorcycleadventures , the other place it shines is in the tight twisty tar roads. It almost feels like the super moto version.
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@@glossblack1098 yeah i have an 02 drz400 im wanting to upgrade, somewhere between the ktm and the yamaha.. i cant imagine dealing with the extra 100lbs offroad but i guess people deal with 1200gs's offroad so i should be able to learn to deal with the tenere.. main reason for the upgrade other than the bike not being reliable is that im a leaf in the breeze on the highway, i want more stability at 120-130kph with traffic around me
I totally agree. I tested the SMC version yesterday with 5 bft windforce on the highway with 120-130 kmh. Constantly had the feeling that I’d be blown from the motorcycle.
Tests KTM 690 but not allowed on dirt? Same as testing the Tenere only on single track trail. Not really a fair test. I think these two bikes serve two different purposes and the buyer has to decide what type of riding they expect to do before purchasing. If I was going to ride 60 road /40 trail I would take the Tenere, but if I want 40 road / 60 trail I would choose the 690. In truth there is no such thing as the perfect bike. There’s always a compromise.
Great review
It sucks if seller limits testing grounds, but to be honest. I personally wouldn't either allow testing on dirt. You'd get the machine quite fast in state that it wouldn't be very appealing as a demo bike.
Even a short test is better than no test!
Hands down on my might 690... expensive yes but this is cheap for its power, torque, lightness, and offroad....... my GS1200gs and Harley was eat dirts on this KTM. Im using this for daily community rain or shine, highway 130KPH as long no big cross wind and tuck your self in.. but awesome in offroad.... Hands down this is my unicorn
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Thank you for the review I was seriously considering this as my next bike, abot 60 -70 % freeway and the rest on dirt
My pleasure!
Don't listen to this utter crap from the armchair expert. The 690 is a superb all round tourer, see my comment.
Finally someone that distinguishes comfort vs capability. Almost any dual sport can do highway speeds, but not many people talk how comfortable you will be without any wind protection. I also like that you were specific with speeds. Highway speed can mean 60-80mph, which is a huge difference.
Glad to help!
Very nice..Thanks for showing us.
My pleasure 😊!
I have the sister, 701 Husqvarna and with the ergo seat it is an completely different bike. But you can not compare this bike to 790 or 890, they are almost 100kg heavier 2 cylinders and made for something completely different
Agree
Just came back from a17 days 5'000km ride through the Western Carpates. Street only, as my GF came along with a Kawa Z1000. I have tje Husky 701 Enduro which is practically identical to the 690 Enduro.
From my subjective point of view you absolutely can use it as travel bike. With an A2 licence and "only" 32kW, I did max 160 km/h on the German Autobahn. Wind protection is zero, agree. A rallye fairing makes sense. But anything beyond that - open roads, small roads and, naturally, dirt tracks - are pure pleasure.
Regarding the seat, my butt feels fine on the standard. I prefer the long and slim seat, as you can switch positions as you want, and this is great against lower back fatigue.
As for the vibrations - no worries, got used to it. Tyres have a lot to do with it too. For street riding, I use Conti TrailAttack3 and they are super quiet and perform very good.
Seat hight is certainly a concern. I'm 183cm with a 95cm inseam and 75kgs of weight. So the bike remains high and I'm half-tiptoeing.
For the rest: just try it and be surprised...
I know exactly what it is.
KTM Enduro R 690 - $13,100 base price Canadian dollars.
Teneré 700 - $12,400 base price.
I think I know what my choice is. 😁
For sure, if you do not mind the extra 45 kg in weight. Depends on what terrain you intend on travelling. For me, and most down to earth travellers, the T7 wins hands down.
Not a difficult choice for me either.
I purchased the 690 over the T7 because it weighs less. I do a lot of BDR style rides and camp off the bike for days at a time, and my bike loaded out with camping gear weighs what the T7 does bare. The weight savings allows me to pick my bike up much more easily, especially if I have multiple "get-offs'" in a day, and at 58 years old that is critical to me . My 690 does have vibration issues on the street but nothing crazy. Yes, the bike has buffeting issues too, but I added a taller wind screen and it is now barrable. Overall I am pleased with the bike; it is barrable on the multi-hour pavement rides at high speeds and more than capable in the dirt. Ride smart and ride often!
@@itsFritz That's the great thing about bikes these days. There are so many types, sizes and bikes to suit every different riding style and rider. Everyone can get what works best for them. I feel like we are living in a golden age of motorcycles. 😊
The T700 ticks all the boxes until you get to the welded subframe part! What an idiotic thing to do!
The price of the KTM / Husky is the one major problem but in reality they are really the only bikes in that category of bike.
The unicorn for me is the DR650 because it is cheap, almost half the price of the KTM and roughly the same weigh, but it can be modified to how you want it, sure it doesn’t have the power but in the real world it has enough.
Sadly the DR is no longer available in Europe and this is the last year in Australia. 😭
My Tenere 700 is a better road bike than my DR but I much prefer to ride my DR because at the end of the day it is weight that makes the difference much the same reason I would have a KTM / Husky over just about anything else, highway comfort is one thing but trying to wrestle a heavy bike around is a whole different story, horses for courses.
Well, there is no one perfect bike! The best option is to have at least 3 in the garage.
I started out with an 1150 GS, then had two 800GSs. I now have a 690 Enduro and love it. I've been going smaller and smaller. The main downside of the 690 Enduro is the cost to make it right. It all comes down to intention. Do you want your heart to soar on crappy third world roads and off road, or do you want it to soar on the highway? When I got off the highway, I could never see the point of going back. I try and find a way around the highway, or I grit my teeth and suck it up if I have to. In the end it's a choice.
Well said!
A steering damper is definitely required for higher speeds on the highway (I have the Savage one, (around $150) seems to work fine), otherwise the front end can feel horrible on this bike above 130kph
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Yep, great honest review. I love my Husky 701 for dirt, and road travel up to 60 MPH. Anything over that, it feels sketchy like Im pushing my luck with its stability. It is just not geared or setup for sustained high speed on tarmac. It'll may be able to get you to 90 MPH real quick, but you wont want to cruise over 65. On my interstates here in Texas anything under 75 mph and you will be impeding traffic. Excellent big bore off road bike though, once you hit the dirt you wont be able to quit smiling. Also the quick shifter is garbage, and I had to add a fueling dongle to get the low rpm bucking to go away. Cheap fix at $30.
I simply cannot understand why you found that bike unstable. I have the exact 2021 model fitted with the same tires and I find it rock solid to over 160 Kms and can ride it all day at 140 Kms. I wonder if the tire pressure was wrong or something on that bike? I have ridden the previous 2018 model from New York to Miami fully loaded with luggage and my girlfriend on the back with zero issues and rode from LA to Canada solo at 90 mph (145 km) all day in a bad cross wind with zero issues. I simply do not understand how or why you found it unstable? It has the rake and trail set up for high speed desert racing so it is extremely unlikely to be unstable. I am a tall rider too at over 6'2'.
Finally someone has mentioned that 690 is actually pretty good to travel with passenger. My wife really felt comfortable and she enjoyed this bike a lot. I wouldn’t expect this before we tried to rode together.
had the 750GS and 701Husqvarna. I sold the husq, bought a 1250GS… break my back trying to pull it up after she fall down park.
after surgery It is time for me to buy back 701 and go for a Frznce tour during one year with it.
change exhaust and that’s it
mostly agree, but my 690 17' is damn stable on the road, it goes up to 170 and feels really stable as a train, better than my previous f 800 gs, which i traded for this one. In terms of comfort and wind protection - yes, you are right. I added windscreen and Concept Seat, its better for traveling now. Overall 690 is an amazing bike, you can climb hills with 250s and than cruise 125 kph on the road, no other 700 or 800 can do it. Better for mid range, like 500 kms per day is ok. For high mileage thinking of fjr1300, very lovely bike for the road, no compromise) Theres no universal tool, for sure, have to keep 2-3 bikes to be happy)
I'd much rather get T7.
@@jothain never ridden it, but 690 is a different bike, also t7 not available in my country.
Thanks for the info Artur. It depends from many things... Rider size, rider age, distance and so on... Where are you from?
Ride whatever is good for you and don't even worry about the opinion of others!
@@mihaimihai9254 Russia, official dealer does not import it, also never seen a used t7 here yet..
U keep saying it’s built for the trail but that’s the only place where you don’t try it. If only you had you would be ready to trade in some confort for its light weight, its nimbleness, its ease of use and its suspensions. It feels 100 % more fun than your usual adventure bike. This is THE DUAL SPORT DREAM. By the way you need to check the bike you reviewed as no vibration problem with this bike. Maybe you’re just getting too old for the real thing 😂!
A 19"front and 17"front would substantially make this bike MUCH nicer on the highway....btw you can pick this motorcycle up off the ground even on a hill....an 890? many wont be able to get back upright on a hill or if tired....not to even mention if laden with gear The 690 is very powerful and still quite lightweight....It may be the ultimate compromise....making it a little substandard pure dirt but DOABLE....and a bit substandard on the street but again DOABLE
My fully enduro tricked DR650 with 13,000 km on the ODO (bought for $2800 USD equivalent with $6,000 of aftermarket farkles thrown in and long range tanks etc) is roughly the same power range as the KTM and you can spend a few minutes to change the front sprocket to alternate between highway and offroad settings, so that takes care of the vibration issue and you can power through an entire Australian continent almost the size of the entire USA with ease.
the 650 is 46 hp - the 690 is 74 hp ...
The powerdifference is huge. You cannot compare DR with 690. These are two completely different machines.
HAHAHA, your DR650 is the same power as a 690. AHAHAHA, yes im sure it is.
Fellow Aussie, and ex DR owner. Bear in mind, a DR650 with big tanks would come in at 175-180 wet. A 690 with aux fuel would come in at 155-160kg wet, with the weight down far lower.
This motorcycle is an excellent adventure bike build platform (better only could be H701 LR). It is not ADV ready in stock. You have to consider it to build it up your own, by putting up the things you need for your understanding of what is a ADV bike. Not necessarily you have to put rally kits for many thousands of EUR/USD/RUR (millions ;) ), you can make decent ADV bike for reasonably low costs. This building applies to most aspects of this bike, starting from windshield and ending on luggage rack and/or exhaust.
So I think, it is not correct to take stock enduro bike to the highway (autobahn) and expect it to behave like Yamaha R1 or BMW GS 1250. Just put some low cost windshield and will be acceptable handling, feeling at speeds around 120 km/h. You really dont need more on highway when travelling packed full with all kind of luggage that we carry with us :)
It is not only the lack of windscreen. It is the overall handling and mostly vibrations. You cannot change these.
@@motorcycleadventures To treat vibration, you can put gel or any other soft seat, in worst case DIY. You can put rubber foam (neoprene) handgrips, those can eliminate a lot, plus the handlebar pivot with rubber bushing. Regarding handling, it could be that you need to regulate the suspention for your weight and hight accordingly. Handlebar risers will also help.
Best answer to this complex Theme. I have a Super Duke 1290 R Gen 3 but I don´t complain that it is shit to ride it on gravel or off road. On the other hand I have a Husky 701 where i don´t complain about high speed stability, a hard seat, or wind protection. It is made for hitting the dirt with in my opinion very good on road performance. I am 60 years old and come from Moto Cross an Enduro. I travelled across West Africa 1985 with an old used XT 500 from the first series, with only a few modifications made, with my girl friend on the back seat and fully loaded. No problem. Other Africa trips with Suzuki DR 500 and 600. You just have to make your mind up what you want and what you are willing to give yourself and this way of biking is Adventure and never was comfy. There are so many weepers around nowadays!
I rode my 690 from Portland, Oregon to Ushuaia, Argentina. Only had one engine failure. I’m on a Husqvarna 701 now.
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LMAO "only" one engine failure :D Spoken like a true KTM customer
KTM is to motorcycles what BMW is to cars.
@@akuskus not sure why all the hype about KTM. There are better Japanese bikes like Honda and Yamaha with top notch reliability. I owned 3 quads and one motorcycle and they are all Yamaha in 20 years span. No major issues.
@@Eastern_SA All japanese bikes are heavy, heavy bikes. not for offroad.
My 2022 690 is super smooth and super stable on motorways at high speed. I use it for daily commuting (70 miles at 75 - 85 mph) and for green lanes. The bike is superb in every way!
If you are an amateur, I can’t blame you for not appreciating this bike.
I ride motorcycles from 34 years. Tried all possible models on the market. If this makes me amateur fair enough! Maybe it is time to try another brand and see the difference by yourself.
I like your opinion 👍
This mo fits me 🙂👍
Glad to help!
I agree that it can be a great travel bike if you put a lot of money into modding it for that purpose. Aftermarket seat, rally fairing kit, suspension adjustments....it's true you will be approaching the price of a bigger adventure bike. I think the appeal of modding a 690/701 for travel is for those who really want an adventure bike, but not adventure bike weight. I think a modded 690 can vastly out perform any adventure bike while still saving some $ comparably. At least for more off road leaning folks.
We agree!
Buena prueba y honesta. Gracias
De nada!
For sure it isn't the best option for road travel but if you want dirt travel, the light weight and the good adjustable suspensions are one of the best options to do a large off road trips, like TET, transpirinaica... specially if you go alone. Search videos of people suffering when they are pushing his heavy bikes with luggage in mud or difficult conditions and heard about what are they saying in thats moments.
Agree that is bike made for dirt roads.
Wow, this is a timely video. I'm planning my next big trip (RTW) and I want something lighter than my old Africa Twin, but I'm not sure what I want yet. Preferably something light, something that's able to ride offroad but also comfortable on the highway. You know, the perfect bike.. I was already looking in your video list of a review of the bike, but couldn't find one. Thanks for uploading!
Honda crf300L Rally. Cheap reliable, and capable.
@@davidmallia628 Thanks for your reply. Don't you think it's a bit too tiny? If the 690 already has problems on the highway, doesn't the CRF300L have them as well but worse?
T7 and 890 are what you're looking for
My pleasure!
@@davidmallia628 That crf is miserable on European highways and faster roads between the cities. Also you have to factor in at least 1000 more for suspension work because it really needs it. Other then that it's very nice for the price actually
Thanks for the review. For us dual sport riders this is about as good as it gets now. And just like every other dual sport you buy you can add a larger tank, comfortable seat and small windscreen. Nothing modern in this category anymore that can carry a passenger. Where's Honda with a 550cc version of their Rally or Yamaha with a truly light weight adventurized dual sport?
It is what it is!
I bought 701 Rally. Previous owner had converted Enduro to Rally, but it's really good as a travelbike too. I have 300km range, good windprotection etc.
Thanks for sharing!
@@motorcycleadventures oh and Husky is not vibrating too much. KTMs are vibrating more somehow
True
@@iSlanderEST that's just a preception, they're virtually a 1:1 KTM bike with Husky label and color-scheme slapped on it
@@Alejandro388 new ones yes. 2017 no.
Honest opinion and not just something to sound stupid or tough. I find the 2021 to be shockingly smooth and with basically no vibration through the bars or pegs. I have an older one and it's basically unridable over 60 MPH as a sustained speed. The 2021 is smoother than my old BMW GS. On the highway, it's just too light for all the passing cars and wind but it doesn't vibrate or anything and does 75-80 on low rpm because of the 6th gear. On two lane roads at 75 it feels like it's gliding around it's so smooth.
Ok
I really like the reviews for this bike for its off road performance, and feel its highway tour ability could be improved with ADV tires.
Fair enough!
As with many things the dream does not match the reality.
For experts on the dirt yes, but as you say very accurately, not really an all round travel bike. Plus 11000 is a similar to a new T7 , or more than a late model fully equipped 660 Tenere
To each their own.
Happy travels whatever your choices.
Exactly! The best bike for one could be the worst for another.
Exciting videos!
I also posted a video of walking around Japan, so I got a sense of familiarity ✨
I will come again😊
Awesome! Thank you!
If I was going to do another RTW I would pick one. Toughen up buttercup!! Complaining about the little wind and vibration..
Do whatever is good for you.
@@motorcycleadventures Often do.
Great review.
Would love to get your thoughts more about bikes that are comfortable for long road travel too.
Here in the states, you have some off road trails, but still need to ride 1-3 hours on the highway to get to these trails.
I ride F650GS Dakar and on any review, no one said this bike is so uncomfortable on highway speeds (120-140kmh / 70-90mph).
would love to hear about comfortable adventure bikes that can do some trails and off road, but can also go hours at 140+kmh speeds.
I always do it when I have this chance.
1 hr hiway for 120kph is not bad otherwise get a cruiser. 690 is no fun in highway they like nice side road country road and not boring hiway.
@@chyryll agree, but for a good long-distance machine you want a bike that can do it all, no multi-day riding trip is made of 1 hour highway a day, most are 3-5 highway hours at least.
In most places in the world theres no need to ride above 130kmh on the highway. I ride my dr650 at 120kmh often and its fine, 130+ and these types of bikes becomes less stable. I think the dr650/enduro 690 r are among the best world travel bikes you can get, it u are ok with the high fuel consumption. If you want something less thirsty then get a crf300L.
What a beautiful supermoto.
It sure is!
I can’t believe you spoke about the seat and the suspension on the Ktm when you modified both on the xt to suit yourself, I’ve ridden many of these bikes that have had less mods than your xt and they (with a few tweaks) are fantastic all rounders. O and I’ve owned a xt the same as yours for many years good bike but very limited when the going gets tough (too heavy) unlike the Ktm.
Thanks Phil
As I said this is a great bike with a specific purpose.
He is very biased against KTM and high-end but expensive bikes beyond his budget, then tries to justify an opinion alleging objective reasons
To expensive at least for me, I think it's simplicity makes it one of the best ktms, less things to break, very good bike for one day off road trip, good video!
Fair enough!
Great review! I jus wish the video is a bit longer.
More to come!
I am confused. You said you like Tenere 700? It is a twin cylinder not a single? Also I read the Tenere 700 has vibrations at higher speeds?
Interesting, all the other reviewers comment on how smooth the engine is, some even saying it is electric smooth?
Smooth? I cannot believe that someone will say this! Maybe if you compare it with 500 or 450 EXC but for travel bike, no way!
@@motorcycleadventures yes way smooooooth
It's all relative mate. It's smooth compared to my TE250i, but not compared to an 890 Adventure for example, or any other adventure bike. The 690 is a bike that draws interest from the proper enduro crowd (EXCs, TE/FE, WR etc) as they're looking for something they can travel with, and also the adventure bike crowd, as they're looking for something easier to handle on the dirt. The two crowds come together at the 690 and have arguments about how smooth it is etc lol. For me I wouldn't have one as it does neither the dirt, or the road well enough. It is a perfect example of a bike that tries to be the jack of all trades, but ends up being the master of none. If I could only have one bike, I would choose my poison and get either a proper enduro bike, or a proper adventure bike. As I already have a TE, I am considering buying an 890 Adventure R this year. I might even end up selling the TE as I don't ride it very much anymore.
For single cylinder bike it is considered to be smooth. Of course more cylinder bikes will be smoother but the comfort is not all, try riding the 690 on dirt roads and you will understand the purpose of this bike. The vibration is not everything. You can chase lightweight dirtbikes on fireroads, then switch the wheels and chase sportbikes on twisty roads. Noone will understand the purpose of this bike perfectly u til you own one.
BTW this model you HAVE TO set rebound and compression damping to "comfort" setting....night and day from how delivered....otherwise riding with no luggage or passanger everyone is going to think "too bumpy stiff"
Update apparently these WP units need some break in miles...VERY rough ride on standard setting when brand new which for me and others require backing off clicks to total "comfort settings" to keep from being jarred to death! BUT after some break in miles? THEN go back to standard setting and all is wonderful! Very strange YMMV....BTW IF you are riding dirt at any significant speed the ABS will like to KILL YOU! DO invest in the ABS dongle asap....at least on 2019 and 2020...because otherwise no way to turn off just the rear abs....but with the dongle it holds that setting (front abs only)
I am a big fan of 690 models because my environment is forest and dirt roads. It is sad that EURO 5 is killing the spirit of motorcycling, what is happening not only with KTMs. The perfect bike doesn't exist that's why we are modifying our OEM bikes. Even You with your Tenere 660 and even I with mine (power commander, exhaust, air box and etc.)So I think this bike is very good for travelling, perhaps one of the best but to ride on it you need to know how to fix it, what issues it has that's why I love motorcycling. Maybe some day Yamaha or Honda will make motorcycle with weight 150 kg and 70 HP. But now even new Tenere 700 is big plum where you have to do some modifications and it still won't be a perfect bike. Lots of people doesn't even know how to ride this bikes if the nice, flat as table road goes to end. I am always saying to feel free I need in my garage at least 3 bikes and one of those must be 2T for extrema fun, dualsport for travelling gravel roads and one for street riding. So if I can buy one bike and spend extra money for modifications I am very happy, because I am closer to my type of perfect bike and it is cheaper than have 3, 4 or 5 bikes.
As I said it is a great bike with a special purpose. Definitely not for everyone.
@@motorcycleadventures I will say not everyone for this bike 😉
For me, this bike is ideal (except for the hard seat and heavy exhaust :). I'm tall, ride it solo, use it for TET-like roads and try to avoid highways. As for vibrations, they don't bother me at all... maybe because my previous bike was an old LC4, those things were shaking like mad.
Thanks for sharing!
Why does America's version of the speedometer display different from other countries?
thank you for speaking on the highway stability, i havent rode one but my drz400 weighs the same and has a similar design, its very unstable at speed cruising, fine to rip to 150kph in town for a minute but on divided highway i cant set it to 120kph and cruise im a candy wrapper in the breeze any cross wind and im in the next lane.. doesnt help im 6'4" and 140lbs
i can put up with vibrations, harse seats, even short gears and a lower top speed... but driving several hundred kms a day i dont want to be tense the entire time, constantly fighting the wind i wanna relax and let the highway kms drift by
i think ill lean towards the tenere700 its cheaper than the ktm here in canada, i think ill appreciate the extra 100lbs on the highway more than ill hate it in the dirt
Thanks for watching, Andrew!
Please Review Suzuki V-Strom 250. I am planning to buy a bike not more than 300cc . So your Review will be highly appreciate.Thanks
I will, but when I have the chance.
I think you completely missed the whole concept of the 690. This is not the best dual sport / touring bike out there, but it can do it. As you mentioned, it is primarily an off road bike with a licence plate designed for people who want to spend more time off road. KTM make the 790 - 890 for a more road focused dual sport riding. You spent most of the time testing it where it was never going to shine. You should have done a fair comparison and took it off road and then compare it to other bikes but understand that you were not able to do that.
I did not miss anything. I said it very clear for what the bike is designed.
It's not that you missed the point, you always have a negative view on KTM as a brand, for example the 1190 adventure r you constantly referred to reliability issues, then someone directly asked if the bike you tested has had any issues, the reply was no, but straight away you mentioned reliability issues in another reply. You love Yamaha and seem incapable of giving reliable reviews on other brands.
If you are a tarmac rider then yes, get something else. Unstable at 100 kph, you need to set that thing up properly. I have had mine up to 170 on the highway (not for extended periods) and travel at 110 - 120 regularly stable as can be. I own a 2019 and take it everywhere.
Okay
4:25 i disagree about the vibration. I mean, yes, it is there, but you just barely feel it in the handlebars, and when looking at the pegs, the major reason you feel it is due to the lack of rubber inserts on the stock pegs. you can buy the rubber insert and it improves comfort by a lot on a long trip, then you cna just take them off when you get to your destination.
-> i am of course talking about having to drive over 300km to somewhere
7:51 you can show other things on the dash, just click the select button next to it. Yes, this is not as good as a proper tft
Okay
Interesting, Thanks! How bad are the vibrations compared to your Tenere or Husky 701?
Very bad!
@@motorcycleadventures Thank you! That's weird - it has the same motor as Husky 701. Probably some defect then?
It is not defect. It is what it is!
@@motorcycleadventures I've bought this bike and I guess I figured out vibrations - this bike likes to be ridden hard. It is a jackhammer on low RPM and reasonably smooth on high. In the video you are riding 40 kph on 3rd gear - it will be smooth around 70. I tried to ride it it in low PRM as I am used to after GS, and was close to returning it. In the manual it says "please do not exceed 90 on 3rd gear during break in period". Kinda crazy.
@@motorcycleadventures How can you say the vibration is bad compared to a husky 701? Theyr the same bike.
is this same bike as the supermoto version just different tyres ?
the engine control electronics are a bit different , more torque below...... etc etc , but these are not big differences , the suspensions options are different too
It's is a dirt bike (not adventure one) with THE great capabilities to bring you from one trail to another! and there it will do everything!
Yet, it is not desined for burning its tires on a highways asphalts
I understand that but many won't! That's why I have made the video.
Kusheen was here...
About vibration and dirt bikes, we have two mx bikes, a 250f and a 450f, both ktm, no vibration there at all. Even the twostokes have a balance shaft these days to eliminate this.
Did you mean engine vibration or just vibration of knobby tires on the road ?
BMW type guys wouldn't choose this as a travel bike indeed, in fact they would refuse to travel anything that doesn't have a build in coffee machine :)
But I think your right, loads of road riding isn't what this bike is meant for. It always seems to be a compromise, most adventures are too heavy weight for offroad purpose, just call them fat. Even the Tenere700 for example, but they're way more comfortable for travelling.
Thanks for taking the time!
Would be interesting to compare it with huski 701. I mean your thoughts on comparing.
It is basically the same bike with different plastics. The rear suspension is a bit different because of the linkage, that's it.
@@motorcycleadventures Same suspension on Husqvarna. Different brakes and clutch.
The 500 cc model does not have link suspension.
We are talking about 701
@@motorcycleadventures Yes , i know. Motorcycle Adventure confuses the 701 model with the 500 model when talks about suspension. 701 has link suspension.
@@motorcycleadventures thats correct for the EXC and FE Enduro bikes, but the 690 and 701 both have the linkage. From 19+ both also have the same 250mm WP Xplor suspension also, as the 701 from 16-18 had 275mm while the 690 had 250mm 👍. But as you say, the T700 is a great bike and nicer for all-round adventures
Nice tail tidy on your bike !
It sure is!
Thank you brat...
Anytime!
I continue to wonder what modern bike could replace the 660 Tenere when you retire the bike 🏍. I suspect you'll get another but low mileage 660 Tenere.
Nothing to wonder, Tenere 700, nothing else!
Yamaha Tenere 700
Exactly!
The clue is in the name ENDURO, not adventure or street.
True
@@motorcycleadventures It has never been a true enduro bike, just called an enduro for marketing purposes. If you tried to race this in an enduro you would be riding against KTM450/500’s, WR450’s, Beta 500 etc, true 110 kg race bikes. What the world is still wanting is a new sub150 kg Japanese adv bike and it will never happen while the 200 kg porkers are popular.
If you remember, this model was a winner in Dakar rally for many years.
@@MrEtnorb Well, actually it's a typixal Enduro, Just Like the DR 650 or XT 500 have been. Difference to the EXC / FE .... : It's Not a competition model. You can ride the 690 onroad to .... The Italian Alps from Germany, have a blast in trails and WW1/2 Military roads and Ride Back Home. Best time you use it at your local dort track. That's a unique Feature.
@@induristan in Australia, enduro bikes ride through tight trails, forests, and other competitive sections where the likes of a DR or 690 would be left for dead due to their lack of power, poor suspension and weight. The term enduro is just a marketing ploy.
How you would compare this KTM and CRF250Rally (you’ve made the review) from travelling perspective? Thought you might have approx objective opinion, because you rode two of them?
CRF is not in the same category. Especially if you are a tall and heavy guy like me. CRF looks like a toy, KTM like a real dirt bike. Both are not going to be a good option for traveling. CRF powerless, KTM uncomfortable.
Motorcycle Adventures That’s where your wrong Pavel Crf250 Rally is a great travel bike not great on Power but enough what I need to get places at unbeatable fuel economy that can still bring a smile to ones face
I am talking from my point of view. I have ridden CRF 250 and I can say with 100% confidence that this is not an option for a tall and heavy guys like me.
@@motorcycleadventures I have made more that 11000 km on my CRF 250 Rally last year, half of it or a bit less off road and I'm very happy with this motorcycle. When riding on TET France, Spain, Portugal, Rally did everything in the same way like my riding buddy on KTM 690 enduro R 2019. I'm 190 cm and 105 kg. Of cours, made same changes in mapping, gearing and suspension. Bike cruise at 110 km/h all day long on highway very comfortably, with 140 km/h max speed (GPS) fully loaded
@@motorcycleadventures I totally agree, I have a CRF as a "backup" bike, it's good to have when the other bike is a KTM ;)
A T7 would be the best for longer adv trips in my book, but I just love thumpers 😊
Ok, different scenario. You build it up with a ton of add-ons; tower, protection, Garmin, windshield, softer seat, foot pegs and even stronger shocks/suspension. Your want to travel to Africa in 50-50 off-road/crappy roads. Is it viable because of its super light weight? I have a BMW F850GSA and that weighs a ton -- after dropping it a ton of times -- not easy to lift in mud or sand. Then the KTM890 Adventure weights 100 lbs less than the F850GSA which is good... But this is 100 lbs less than the 890... Sometimes weight matters... Your thoughts on a long ride -- 50-50 in remote sand/mud/forest and "b" roads?
Thanks for sharing!
Cool 😎
Thanks!
Have you ride small CC motorcycle like 125 CC in previous years. Because we Indians mostly have 100 to 150 CC motorcycle.
Yes, I start riding with 50cc.
@@motorcycleadventures nice to hear
There is a rpm meter, show like 8888 every 8 is 1000rpm. Displays instead of the clock
Ok, good to know.
which country are you in?
I had a 2015 put 25k kilometre on it in 2 years, fantastic , fun machine , light weight and. Powerful , wheelies on demand . I have taken it on 500 km trips.unfortunately the entire seat , rear fender and gas tank structure is Fibre reinforced plastic, no metal at all, a rear rack is pointless , there is no cargo capacity at all. The fuel capacity is.insufficient and the seat pan disintegrates.. I broke 2. Longer trips are a change of clothes , shaving kit , extra fuel and credit cards.
Thanks for sharing your experience with the model!
Hello did they fix the rocker arm problem???
They didn't!
I have one it’s great dirt bike but not so great on the highway
Agree
For me its simply too expensive and the seat way too narrow for any ride longer than 30 mins. As a offroader trail bike for green laning it ticks all the boxes but the price and fact all KTMs are highly strung machines precludes its purchase. Plenty of other 500-650 bikes out there more suited to long distance adventures much cheaper. Think ill stick with my current Honda CRF250 for green laning, hell, my CRF could even take me round the world (albeit slowly on tarmac).
Ride whatever is good for you!
Going around the world on a crf you’d enjoy it more !
i love your honest evaluations... ride well, my friend! 😊👍🙌
I appreciate that!
where is this motorcycle made at?
China
Maybe not a perfect travel machine, but it certainly makes for a good rally bike if you put a tower on it. Very very capable Offroad but much too uncomfortable for travel in my eyes
Agree
690 cc ... is it a high reving machine or a Torqy Thumper ??? Mr.Pavolin .!!!
Both!
@@motorcycleadventures Great ,
Mr.Pavllin did you ever feel jealous that the bike's you review are much better than your own bike , of you felt in such a way , which bikes are they (specify the name please) ???
I'm thinking about exc 500 vs 690.
Its really making me crazy.
The 500 100% isn't a high way bike.
The 690 is 90% not for highway too so what's the point of 690 :/ ?
It is what it is!
When my dad passed away I had no way to get there my van broke the day I had to leave, no rentals, planes were 1700$, bus was going to take to l9ng to get to the funeral. So I jumped on my 1990 yamaha xt 350 and road it 750 miles in 2 days there and made it back 500 more miles a total of 1250 miles. I then had to load bike in uhaul and bring home. Too windy, and at the upper altitudes sometimes having a hard time getting it started but it would have made it home. I am looking for a bigger bike but that bike did it. And it would have made it home all I had to do was sit up closer to the front. 70mph did it. Bet the 690 would do that much better.
Thanks for sharing!
I couldn't rent anything because it was Thanksgiving. I had also am 50 years old and only been riding for 2 months but I did 6 months of research before riding and got to put everything I learned to the test. I am glad I did it learned alot and found alot of peace. I was losing hope in humanity and I had alot of people humble me along the way and give me hope in humanity. So this Christmas I gave away 275$ to people I thought needed the help. One guy was a single father and his 2 girls since the pandemic he has struggled when I looked in the cart he had cleaning supplies and food so I paid for his groceries. My mom's home health care worker didn't get her check and takes care of 8 grandkids they didn't have food so I gave 140$ to help them. The rest I gave to 3 different people on Christmas day that looked like they needed it. Anyways I guess it really is hard trying to find the right bike. Thanks to all of your comments and helping me try and find the bike for me. Of corse the old goat will be with me always.
@@motorcycleadventures don't know why but I felt like I needed to share this.
Good that you did it!
Deshalb bin ich auf die neue 2 Zylinder 500ccm Generation von KTM gespannt, die werden dann mehr für Reisen geeignet sein.
Ok
You may need a steering stabilizer for this bike.
Might!
I really like the 690, but not for traveling long distances, its a machine for exploring less travelled roads and trails or places without roads and of course a machine to ride too fast on narrow twisty gravelroads with friends 😂
Agree
I used to have a DR650, and I’m replacing it with this. I’ve ridden big distances, and through the rough on it, on highways at 110kmh. It can be done!
The bike is so far away from what you need.
It would be very interesting if you test it again after some modification like navigation tower with wind screen and seat concept to make your ass more comportable.
About the vibretion, it is realy so bad compare to your xt660z?
Yes, it is bad.
I am going to disagree with much of what you said. I have the 2019 Enduro, I added a little puig windscreen and can ride comfortably ride at highway speeds, I bought the enduro r because it is light, I would rather ride the lightest bike possible off road, the vibrations you are talking about is nowhere as bad as you make it sound. Obviously not the bike for you.
Fair enough! As I said it is a motorcycle with a specific purpose.
Stay tuned next week for the review of the Hayabusa at the motocross track.
If you say so!
That’s a bit salty