Can The mClassic Really "Upgrade" Your Switch?
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- čas přidán 9. 06. 2024
- The mClassic is an upscaler designed to work primarily with any game console that outputs video using HDMI. The marketing for the product even goes as far as to mention that the results can make it look like you've upgraded your system to a 'Switch Pro', but are the results actually that impressive?
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💻 CHAPTERS 💻
00:00 - Introduction
01:47 - How Does It Work?
03:46 - Switch Footage Comparisons
06:24 - How The mClassic Handles Different Resolutions
08:29 - Testing 720p & 900p
10:53 - PS3 Footage Comparisons
13:24 - Xbox 360 Footage Comparisons
14:53 - Wii U Footage Comparisons
16:11 - Retro Console Footage Comparisons
18:15 - How To Use The mClassic With Retro Consoles
19:59 - Conclusion
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What happens if you plug mClassic into a mClassic that is already plugged into a console
No one ever mentioned that the color grading it does looks like reshade.
There is a disc rare to find that makes it so you could output every ps2 game in 480p works really well. Can't remember the name of it, it's somewhere in my closet.
Min 4:25 Dude you're such a liar, Super Mario Odissey doesn't look as bad as you're showing 🤣🤣🤣 It's a shame you have to do this just for a sell.
I wish there was a mode that had the processing but didnt mess with the contrast
Same.
That is the trickery of the mclassic. It's not a great upscaler but it applies higher contrast, saturation etc and makes you believe the image looks so much better, while it's crushing black color and details. e.g. the billboard has some smaller details (looks like a dot mask) which are missing in the mclassic image.
You can try it for yoruself: take the footage of the mclassic and adjust contrast, saturation, brightness in video editing software. What you get is an almost 1:1 image with little anti-aliasing of the mclassic. Without the anit-aliasing filter I would call it snake oil.
@@wobblingpixels3921 You know how they say that some classic consoles look much better in CRT devices and in modern 4k OLED screens they look super washed out? I think, it aims to fix that with a filter and some basic AA sharpness. It's not great but in my experience it makes it a little better. Now, everything PS3/360 forward will have problems because it's not really a sRGB limited to full range converter, it's just a cheap filter.
@wobblingpixels3921 After owning one and using it for a few years now I'd say it's not snake oil. It does exactly what they say it does. You only see the differences you speak of if you zoom in 400% to see the discrepancies. Sitting back away from the TV you wouldn't notice these things. And the black crush you speak seems to be an issue on cheaper TV's you use it with. Use it on a better TV or and OLED and your good. And they have to do the colour saturation stuff as when upscaling you lose some colours. The Mclassic adds this back with what you see colours wise. It's one of the best affordable upscalers out there.
@@WllKiedSnake I have an OLED LG C9. You don't need to increase any saturation or contrast when upscaling. That is not what a good upscaler does e.g. OSSC, Retrotink 5x. The reason why mclassic does it is to make the image appear "sharper".
It's ok if your are happy with the product but it still not a good upscaler.
To prevent darkening on ps3 and 360, you must change colour range to “limited” since it will crush your black levels if the source device is using “full” or extended RGB range.
Bingo, the blacks were being crushed in Mario Kart too, hence why the logo was invisible.
@@Wobble2007 I'd bet on some of the games you could just tweak your tv's picture settings. Not the end all-be all of solutions. But, doable for some games at leaat.
This exactly!
That's just the PS3 in general. It's always had a darker gamma curve. And 360 for me is usually of a different gamma curve. It's brighter for me for example. Where PS3 is darker.
@@Dick_Valparaiso You can, but this often ends to giving you the see-saw effect, you fix one problem, only to cause another, gamma is a tricky one to get right.
I’m a very satisfied mclassic owner but I use it mostly to upscale Nintendo Switch to 1440p on my desktop monitor (sitting very close to the screen). I have also used it for Nintendo Wii and PS2 consoles with budget hdmi dongles, which works great for the price (sitting much further away from the screen). I think these are the best use cases for the mclassic. I wouldn’t bother using it with my switch on my living room tv.
I use it on my 22” 1080p Pinball FX3 cabinet with the Switch. It already looked decent with no MClassic, but the antialiasing noticeably improves the experience from that distance. I agree that it’s only useful where raw pixels would be distracting.
I'm a mClassic owner and I would advise everyone to avoid it.
- It would make your games a bit less blurrier applying some AA and upscaling (not in a proper way, I'll get into that later) your image, that's all for the pros.
Now for the cons, it will (and I swear it) crush the blacks and whites, they advertise it as an enhancement, like "more vivid and colorful image", bullsh*t, this thing can't do a proper scaling and that's why it crush everything. The mClassic will break the contrast on every system you plug it in, on Switch you should turn color range to limited on system settings if you want to have a decent experience, on older systems this will be even worse lacking any settings at all.
Finally, not all the TVs can handle the way it works, you will have your screen flickering on and off with the mClassic changing resolutions on the go, and that's another problem, some older games that uses workarounds like dynamic resolutions (re2 on 64) are totally incompatible with this thing, I can't stress it enough, please, do you a favor and save some money, it's not worth a single buck.
And it's $100. Wtf
Exactly what I thought, thanks!
This has not been my experience at all. I've used mine mostly daily for years and across multiple systems. Never had any flickering.
Possibly it's TV dependent?
As for crushing the Blacks and Whites, I configured my white values post Mclassic (for my TV you can configure the picture per input device) and that solved it.
"I'll get into that later", why not explain it right there? Why waste some characters when your explanation is like just a couple of sentence away?
That's really not surprising. While looking at the image, I got the impression that the "original" footage looked way more washed out than the actual Switch looks, and the mClassic was trying to create a fake HDR effect by crushing blacks and whites, which is the only way to do that with a non-HDR signal... a lot of people do like the way it looks and will buy TVs with terrible contrast because the "colors pop," for instance. It's also why so many people swear by IPS panels despite the poor contrast ratio compared to VA panels, and why Plasma didn't last... not enough people cared about contrast, they were all focused on having colors pop. Color was always good at fooling the human eye into thinking it sees more resolution, that's why NTSC got away with 480i color signals being lower resolution than black and white for so long. I did think the anti-aliasing looked cool, but honestly not sure if it's really worth it unless you're playing on an absolutely huge display, and most displays large enough for it to make a big difference would be 4K, which as they mentioned it doesn't handle well.
In general, the logic used by the mClassic works best when it has access to the output of the console at the native rendering resolution. You can really see this by using it with a GameCube at 480p via a digital out adapter (I know you wanted to use just the mClassic, but the uplift is really worth it in this case).
As for the contrast issues, it does appear that the mClassic does occasionally misidentify limited vs full range RGB, and you may have to fiddle with the settings occasionally. This obviously makes it less simple, but that seems to be the only real way to deal with it.
I vaguely remember that Microsoft introduced a software upscaler to the 360 at some point, so even though the vast majority of titles run at 720p or lower, the signal received by the mClassic is technically 1080p. My guess is the device sees that and says "Ope. There's nothing to bother with here."
Edit: I said "the Microsoft"
Yeah. I got better results if I manually turned the output to 720p on my 360 with this device. Upscales to the 1440p monitor shockingly well. Played an old copy of RE0 on it and was shocked how good it looked. The device works best when it is fed lower native resolution that it has to upscale otherwise it really only gives some free anti-aliasing.
One thing to note is that the MClassic does not support interlaced resolutions- I think that is why certain systems didn’t look different with it on (because it wasn’t actually on). I discovered this when trying to get it to work with my Wii, and realized it was outputting 480i. When I switched to 480p it was a night and day difference.
If you combine it with a device that converts a interlaced signal to a progressive one it will work. The best way to do this is use a Retrotink.
And there gpes my hope it would fix deinterlacing artifacts on my PAL GameCube, lol. Modding with Swiss/Cubeboot it is!
It also doesn't seem great for the Switch, so I can finally stop being curious about this expensive, but dubios thing! 😁
I ordered a mClassic back in 2020 for my Switch and Wii U, and I love it. Xenoblade Chronicles X benefitted a lot. Of course, back then, it didn't come with an extension cable, but I didn't need one since I'd done a portable dock swap. When I bought a Switch OLED, I had to get a cable for it.
As far as the X360, it was only applying sharpening and anti-aliasing to the images, which was more noticable in ODST, although a couple of colors looked better in Dead Rising.
I would say that the darkness on the X360 could just be a mismatch between Limited RGB and Full RGB. If you send Limited RGB from the X360, and the mclassic treats that signal as Full RGB, you will get a much darker image.
The video signals look more colorful depending on the game and in some cases darker because the adapter is not able to process full range RGB but only limited range RGB
However, consoles with HDMI usually output full range RGB as standard.
If you set the output of the consoles to Limited Range RGB, the signals are no longer dark, but the colors are the same as if you connected them normally.
The loading screen on MK8 is what happens when full range RGB comes in but only limited range RGB is processed
for context
full range RGB = 0-255
limited range RGB = 16-235
With limited range RGB, black is not really black and white is not really white
the LG C3 AI Upscaler does a really great job all by itself with the switch. Glad I decided to fork up the money.
With the Mario Kart Loading Screen I have observed something interesting. On CZcams Desktop with my non-HDR screen I can't see the pattern anyway; but when you move the mouse and the CZcams control elements display there is a faint black gradient that is displayed that mave the image at the top an bottom borders just dark enough to see the pattern which doesn't happen with the mClassic footage which makes your observations even somewhat reliably confirmable haha
I realized something that no matter if it was upscaled or not I usually preferred the one with darker colours even if it wasnt upscaled
Really clear video + love the Little Big Planet music at 10:54!
can't wait to stumble across one at a thrift store in 20 years
I have used one for years and love it. It really helps if your using a bigger TV.
For the 360 games from what I can tell only the anti aliasing changed, but not for every object. The improvement is most noticeable on hud elements, for example the ammo count in Halo.
I got an mClassic specifically for the Nintendo Switch and haven't had any issues with it, but it seems to really shine on 1440P displays. Its effects don't seem as noticeable on a 4K TV.
I don't know if it works with all games, but Shin Megami Tensei V has some framerate problems, and you might want to try this trick I found with it. Next time you're on the 4K TV, set your Switch's output to 720p and let the mClassic clean up the image. I got an improved framerate with a more than passable picture out of it.
PS3, XB360, and Switch all still look fabulous to me.
For me, it looks like it’s just blowing out the contrast and sharpness values to make the “image” look more vivid to “show” its doing something, hence losing the Mario kart load screen background.
As others have said, you can just adjust the brightness and contrast through the TV itself.
What you didn’t really mention outside the darkness are the negative effects. Theres often a bit of a dealy or wave effect. It’s really noticeable on the pillars in journey and in the GTA clip around 17:50
I was wondering how it upscales to 1440p because the monitor I am using for Switch is 1440p and I thought maybe this might bring a bit more clarity by matching the resolution.
The mClassic works extremely well on the output of my HD 1080p reciever. I have all of my retro conoles hooked up to the composit/component inputs on it. I see a huge uplift on my Wii connected to the reciever via component and set to 480p. Especially when playing Gamecube games through it.
I need to know, this works with dynamic resolution? This make fps constant on switch? Or at least resolution will be lock at 1080p?
You can lower the resolution on the wii u down to 480p in its settings. Or does that just effect the system menu and games do their own thing regardless of the resolution you set?
I have only used mine with Nintendo Switch, and I concur the color was a little darker in some cases. Colorful games like Mario stuff seem to benefit the most. I'm playing on a 75" 4k tv, so I can see pixels very well up close, and I have flipped the switch on the mClassic to switch between passthrough and back to see the enhancement. It doesn't always live up to the claims on the box, but it generally looks better and less jaggy, or else it appears about the same. No, it's not as good as a $350 scaler like retrotink 5x, but I'm satisfied with this for Switch use for less than 1/3 of that. I'm sure if one could "tune" it, it would make for better picture quality, but this is effortless without anything to configure. Definitely a different product with a different purpose. Also, I found a neat trick with Shin Megami Tensei V to get better framerate: Set the docked resolution to 720p to get an improved framerate (still dips at times) and the mClassic will clean up the picture enough that (to me) it feels like an upgrade instead of a tradeoff for fps at lower resolution.
Agree on a 65" or larger TV it not worth the money. Better to get a pc and go via emulators as you can play games from other consoles and upscale like crazy and have way more control.
I wish they made this with the input and output flipped, so I could plug it into the HDMI port on my tv, and then connect any console into that. It would make it more ideal for switching between consoles and I could even connect a switcher into that and have multiple consoles always connected and ready to go.
Couldn't you achieve this with an HDMI extension cable (one end female, not a normal HDMI cable with both ends male)
@retrododo I am interested in the little hdmi device you mentioned that tricks tvs into thinking it is 2k to get a better uplift resolution from the mclassic. my question is what are those devices actually called? i tried to do searches using keywords but the devices i did see i was not quite sure if it did what you did say is possible. any assist is appreciated.
I almost chocked after hearing the calmest person in England tell me this thing cost approximately 400 freddos.
Does that 2k hdmi dongle from Ali express really work in forcing your 4ktv to display the Mclassic in 1440p?
For your 360 comparison was that 1080p vs 1440p for unprocessed vs processing on?
ive been using the Mclassic for a while now and I think its great! It works really good for games that have graphics with heavy outlines, like the Kirby Return to Dreamland Deluxue remake, but also as said here, is very good at upscaling things from a lower resolution to HD. Very good with my wii games.
I also have a TV that takes 1440P signals so I see a difference in most games.
One of my favorite facts about the m classic is that Arabian Prince, founding member of NWA, helped get it to market
looks like it is using contrast sharpening or other filter that uses contrast to detect edges to aply AA... that is why (maybe) it makes the image way darker
i have a wii with the AVE-HDMI KIT installed which adds a mini hdmi to my wii if i got an adapter for it to convert it to a full hdmi do you think this would still work for it? i really wanna buy an mclassic now for my wii and ps3 but if it wont work with my wii kit ill be really bummed
@9:47, I'm a bit skeptical that the mClassic is ever receiving a 900p resolution from the Switch. I understand the game might be rendering internally at 900p, but the frame buffer should still be 1080p because it's unlikely a TV, for example, would know what to do with a non standard resolution like a 900p signal.
Yeah, I've never heard of anything other than a PC outputting at 1600x900.
You should only have the Switch at 1080p if you can upscale to 1440p for 900p games. If you can't and you only get a 1080p upscale. Set the Switch to 720p.
Speaking from my own experiences, I will say that the mClassic DOES deliver on an impressive upscaled look for Switch! My setup is unlike most others who play their Switch, being hooked up to something more extreme with my Apple Pro Display XDR and using the recently released Elgato HD 60X hooked up with Elgato's own 4K HDMI cable and sitting a matter of about a meter or two away. (I'm also doing this on my iPad, which is something that, until recently with iPadOS 17 would've been crazy to even think about!)I have my capture settings set to 1440p 60 fps and I can see more detail in the picture with less jagged edges, which makes for an overall cleaner look! Even for games like F Zero 99, things looked a little more vibrant and sharp, despite maintaining SNES graphics to keep that retro feel.
I recently just got this for this setup, but I've been an owner of mClassic for a couple of years, using this on my LG 4K OLED display and, even from farther away, I can STILL see an improvement, again maintaining the 1440p output settings. I do agree with Retro Dodo that games like Mario Kart don't see as much of an improvement, but it's still there nonetheless. And, when you do play games that take advantage of the upscaling, the difference justifies the cost!
My own take: As mentioned in this review, if you have the TV that can display a 1440p signal or higher, make your Switch look its best and get a taste of what a more powerful Switch Pro-like console would be like until Nintendo finally update their aging current lineup! I can't wait to see how other games look like with this, like Smash and Super Mario RPG!
I just use my gaming computer and emulation these dayz to max out the graphics on any retro/console system there is no beating this method haha.
With Dead Rising, at 13:55, it definitely looks darker on the left, with the raw footage. Especially if you look at the background. It's also _slightly_ crisper on the right, but not so much that I'd be bothered without it.
What display setting was the Xbox 360 set to? I don’t think you mentioned it in the video. Great work though! :)
One of my friends got a Samsung 4K tv. Am I right this tv ned the EVanlak HDMI EDID Emulator Passthrough to change the resolution to 2K instead for 1080p ?
I guess you need a PC monitor to run 2K or have a really old 1440p tv, right ?
By the way, pretty awesome video you made here, thank you for that 🙏
The raw input footage for the Switch and PS3 games looks like there's a grey filter put over the top of the image, like the brightness is set just a little too high on the console. Same with the Dreamcast games.
I like the “4K gamer pro” better. It doesn’t mess up the contrast and has a sharper look. The con is that there is no anti aliasing on it shows on some games. You can daisy chain it with the mClassic to get an antialiasing but then it gets expensive.
Edit: 7:30 most games do not run at 60 fps on switch, the vast majority run at 30 fps ( if even)…
Combining the Mclassic with the 4K Gamer Pro is the way to go.
Also worth noting the mclassic doesn't actually do any upscaling it adjusts the sharpness and increases the contrast which does make it look less jagged and more contrast feels like more details are available but any modern tv already has these options available in tbe menu.
yup, you can pretty much achieve this "upscaling" on any modern TV by just adjusting sharpness and contrast
honestly you're better off doing that than wasting $100 on this
That’s not completely accurate, the MClasic cleans up edges better than a TV adjusting the sharpness. It’s visible side by side
If you want upscaling gonna Wana use yuzu or ryujinx nothing will top mario kart in 4k with fsr and sma
@@markwebster4996 Every tv do the same thing, Mc classic doesn’t improve resolution. It’s just upscaling and sharpening. Setting that you can adjust on tv. I can have much better results even tv from 2013.
Well that's not true. The Mclassic does apply AA. And every TV has a resolution remaster feature or super resolution feature. Issue is it adds latency. The Mclassic doesn't.
The raw 1080p image looks better than the 720p mClassic as it's a cleaner, less muddled image as you can see with the lettering on the MKTV truck in the background. The one thing it improves is anti-aliasing, especially to shadows.
You can definitely see the lack of detail in the Mario Kart 720 switch up scaled compared to the 1080 switch footage, even if the lines are a little smoother.
Mario kart yuzu 4k sma fsr multiboxing local play
Mario Kart 8 is a native 1080p game. So you should have the Switch at 1080p then have the Mclassic do it's thing.
what about PS1-PS2 games running on the backward compatible version of PS3?
14:14 look at the ammo counter on the gun. def getting less jaggies on close up objects. however its very subtle
I’m thankful to be able to just emulate these games in 1440p / 60fps
Very comprehensive video, I can see the difference between most of the games, seems like it uses some kind of contrast adaptive sharpening algorithm, and a basic FXAA post-AA style for the jaggies.
It uses SMAA.
The problem with most of these is that you're relying on the games rendering resolution and not the resolution the console is putting out. 720p and below is gonna show a lot more, but the system has to be set to 720p or below. If it's set to 1080p, the rendering resolution doesn't matter AT ALL to the mClassic. It's strange because you even discovered this with the Switch and then went back to having systems set at 1080p
All you gotta do is try match a games native resolution.
i heard marseille say that its best to use their gaming hdmi cable. have you tried and noticed a dif? they are so expensive but luckily the mclassic is cheaper now.
These devices are fascinating because they're doing some of what DLSS, FSR, XeSS, and TAAU do.
Not to get too off topic/technical. But, I really hope the next Switch's rumored SoC keeps the extra ai cores. Those could provide a huge boon for even better upscaling. Especially >1080p.
The manufacturer has videos explaining the limited range and setting the Switch output to 720p or lower. They explain all of this and why it’s necessary. Many people misunderstand this and that’s why they don’t like it. It’s a good device for WiiU and Switch
The blowing out of the image is due to RGB set to full on Switch, doesn't jibe well with mClassic, set RGB to Limited, and it's fixed
Peace is priceless Super John Jump.
I may look at this for my Steam Deck, off load the upscaling to this instead of FSR. It may not be any better than FSR, but doing the processing externally may mean a few extra FPS.
You should be able to upscale from yuzu, on my onexfly I’m able to do 1.5x resolution with no performance loss
FSR in yuzu does wonders for anime /bold sharp looking games, the rest im not sure so yea this is a better option, if it was FSR 2 or 3 it would be better but it is what it is
Agreed anyone who is stupid enough to buy this product that doesn't know about yuzu and ryujinx having awesome upscaling shame on you .
I've had mine for a few years now. I put mine on an hdmi switcher for retro systems. I feel like it cleaned up that signal nicely while playing on my 55 inch 4k tv
Yeah, it really helps bringing forward some of the older systems to the bigger TVs, many of these older systems were only thinking in terms of 32 inch tvs. But now we have 48 and 60 inch TVs as standard and it really helps.
What a lot of reviews of this device fail to mention is that it gives the rest results when you have your TV's sharpness settings at zero. For the first two years I used this device, I had my TV's sharpness settings at 20 and was often doubtful as to whether my device was actually doing the job as intended do you how underwhelming a lot of the results were. After setting my TV's sharpness to zero, every game I've played using this device looks better than ever before.
I'd love a native VGA/component version of the mClassic, would be amazing for so many 480p+ systems and games. Also, I bet this mClassic is amazing for Wii games in 576p ED mode, being upscaled to 1080p.
They exist and go by the name RetroTink
@@LRM12o8 Only the Tink 4K is going to have native VGA output, though the adapter needed isn't out yet afaik, but that is hundreds off £$, the mClassic is only 70-90 £$, the mClassic is also very different, it actually has a type of GPU core, which is able to use AA and actively repeat pixels, it's very clever and no one else has quite cracked the same technology as yet, and rumour has it Marseille is baking something new, perhaps with BFI or raster-scan emulation, and with a native analogue RAMDAC, if they can develop a second generation version of their GPU core based scaling tech and combine it with raster-scan emulation, I would buy several of them and pretty much use it with every console and PC I own, something like that would be incredible with the new OLED displays.
Bizarrely when viewing this video on CZcams with my PC my monitor ALSO displayed a plain white background on the Mario Kart 8 loading screen at 6:18 when you were showing the comparison shot from the raw feed! I remembered that HDR was switched off on my Windows 11 HDR settings so I switched it on, replayed that part of the video and I could see the background graphics. I wonder if there's similar processing going on with my display? I'm using a 4k Samsung LU28R550UQRXXU monitor.
This thing with a ps2 and a specific ps2 adapter, dirty cheap adapter look really good. It looks better than my up converter with deinterlacing. And it’s still better than my up converter plus the mclassic. Extremely surprised by your results with ps2. The ps2 was my best experience. But if you used an up converter that explains it.
What adapter
Why didn’t you try to third option on the stick for the ps2 and such ? That could work
I must say I've been pleased with the MClassic, BUT the only issue I have is that if a texture is purposely pixelated or jagged, it tries to blend and smooth it, thus interfering with the effect or making certain small details indistinguishable. This only happens sometimes but worth noting. Not at all a deal breaker, in fact if you're playing Batman Arkham Asylum on PS3 it makes the 720p graphics look much better and the 2D hud elements look much more crisp and graphic like a comic book illustration.
I’m confused, in the video the adapter you show says 2K, but when I click the link it shows me an adapter that says 4K. Which is the proper one to get for 1440p?
There should be some different variants you can select if you click the link in the description. So make sure you select the 2K option before you make a purchase :D
- Rob
I have never thought the mclassic was a good solution. I notice that it causes ringing on the edges that is confused with sharpness.
I've had an mClassic for years, My main TV is a 75inch 4k TV and it clears up the jaggies quite a bit.
I *highly* recommend getting an EDID spoofer that forces 1440p. It makes quite a bit of difference, and if you're already spending $100ish on the mClassic, the extra $20 for the 1440p EDID spoofer isn't much. A great game to use to see the difference on Switch is, surprisingly, Animal Crossing: New Horizons which is extremely jaggy without it.. I got the mClassic during the animal crossing hayday and it was an immediate benefit.
Something else I love about the mClassic is that you can put it on the output of a switcher and it will improve the image quality of everything before the switch. I have a Gamecube -> HDMI , Wii U, Switch, PS3 and a (hacked) SNES Classic hooked up to my mClassic this way.
It's also fantastic to hook it up to my 1440p monitor when I'm streaming, and you can put the capture card after the mClassic and stream with less jaggies too!
Thanks for the reccomendation!
The processing looks like the effect of a Lookup table (LUT), with a little bit of FXAA anti-aliasing.
What’s that?
It uses SMAA.
@@rubenssz A lookup table is a color and tone correction preset. By altering colors in a controlled and cohesive way you can keep all details and contrast but change the mood of the scene through color curves: more yellow and you will get a "golden hour" look, more blue and you get an "Hollywood night" scene....
@@sitedel thanks
On Halo 3 ODST if you look at the yellow line on the edges of the assault rifle you can see that the anti aliasing is way better
Is there a way to use one on multiple consoles? Maybe with a splitter/switch or something
Use it with a HDMI Splitter if you want to use multiple consoles at once.
Windwaker HD does appear to have one benefit, sharpening through the blur caused by the bloom. Makes the Bloom a little less damaging to the overall image.
I noticed this too.
Yea Nintendo went ham on the bloom for both HD Zelda remasters on the wiiu. It made some people just play the original.
Would it increase the frame rate on the switch, if you render at 720 and upscale to 1080
No. The fps drops would happen in the same places for all consoles.
I get a weird glitch at the bottom of my tv(bottom inch or so of the entire tv). This is “apparently” an issue with my Samsung tv per Mclassic
When they make one that can upscale to 4k, 60fps, I'll be interested
Does anyone have a recommendation for a proper upscaler?
The thing with upscaling 720p is it just has to triple or maybe quadruple each pixel. I forget I don't remember the algorithm off the top of my head. It's one of the 2.; With 1080 -> 4k there's some stretching involved. There's none of that with 720 so you get a much cleaner upscale especially if it's something animated and not live action.. Trying to upscale live action shosws and movies usually doesn't work as well as animation or games
If you already own any modern LG OLED panels such as CX and above they already have a superior built-in hardware scaler for content below 4k.
Which adds latency. The Mclassic doesn't add latency.
Okay, so the aliasing was worse on the mClassic frame when you were talking about it. Also, you can't do DoF in post-process because it requires depth information and that information is not provided by an HDMI signal. Moreover, it's unlikely that they're doing any kind of intelligent processing in less than 16ms, given that it requires decomposing the image back into digital pixel data, then processing it, then converting it back to HDMI, so there is at least one (probably just one) frame of lag.
From my testing the mClassic is designed to accept LIMITED dynamic range, not full RGB.
Does it work for Switch Lite?
What you got wrong is the resolution. The mClassic is indeed upscaling Mario Kart, when plugged to a compatible TV. I can play in upscaled 1440P and i never want to go back.
The video you're showing of the Switch with the processing is how it looks normally with no mClassic.
Do you have footage of Xenoblade games running on the mclassic?
Wait, does the Switch actually *output* at 1600x900 for ToTK or does it *render* at 1600x900 then outputs a 1080p signal? Dynamic resolutions in games usually work like the latter -- they render lower resolutions, present the resolution you're supposed to send to the display, and output that. Considering most TVs will black out for a few seconds when changing resolutions, I would personally bet on the latter as well.
In case it's the latter, the fact that the mClassic works better on Super Mario Odyssey than Mario Kart 8 @1080p has nothing to do with the resolution of the signal it's getting, because it's receiving a 1080p signal either way, even when Super Mario Odyssey is rendering at 720p internally.
Tears of The Kingdom uses FSR to hit 1080p. So set the Switch to 1080p. And the Mclassic will do its thing. You must match a games native resolution or get as close as possible. If you can only upscale with the Mclassic to 1080p in 900p games for example. Set Switch to 720p. And Mario Odyssey can go down to 540p even. Its one of the games you should play at 720p with the Mclassic.
I suggest holding off buying mclassic for the moment. Marseille themselves said new products are coming next year.
9:02 weird how you didn’t catch the fact that the 720p upscale MClassic image is absolutely worse than the base 1080p when you even zoomed in and made things like the news van, signs on either side, and trees more visible. It’s definitely not better.
And you won't notice these things unless you zoom in 400%. Sitting back away from the screen these things aren't noticeable.
@@WllKiedSnake except for the part where I absolutely did notice it before he zoomed in, on my phone screen.
@epicmaster46 So you weren't sitting away from your phone screen when you seen it? Like a few metres away. And you must match a games native resolution for the Mclassic to work correctly or get as close as possible. Or you will have issues.
@@WllKiedSnake stop trying to argue semantics, TVs are dozens of times larger than a phone screen. If it doesn’t actually do anything, then what’s the point of trying to use a retro upscaler on Switch? There isn’t one. This is an accessory for RETRO CONSOLES. That’s how it was marketed. Honestly at this point, both you and the maker(s) of this video are employees of the company that made the MClassic as far as I’m concerned, considering how far you’re willing to bend over backwards to defend it.
@epicmaster46 I have one and it's really good. So of course I will defend it. If you don't know that you must match a games native resolution or get as close to that native res it's on you. You must know a games native resolution for the Mclassic to work correctly. And if you zoom in 400% of course you will see things you can't normally see. And it's not about screen size. It's about how far you are sitting back. If you are sitting right infront of a monitor or screen you will see things in an image you wouldn't see if you were sitting back. And there are many reasons to use the Mclassic on a Switch. Add sharpening so the isn't as soft. Apply AA to games that have non like Skyward Sword HD or Mario Kart 8. Upscale to 1440p. It's like using early FSR it's that impressive to me. I've seen people say it's Snake oil. I've had it for years. I use it on all my older consoles and Switch. Even used it on the PS4 Pro. It's a great affordable product compared to other upscalers. You can even combine it with things like the Retrotink and a 4k Gamer Pro. It's a cool little device.
For anyone who has an Xbox one x plug your switch into the extra HDMI port at the back of it (HDMI in) then put your Xbox into tv broadcast. That the mode that activate the Extra HDMI. Xbox will take your switch broadcast and out out it into a higher resolution. Texture will be smoother and colours more vibrant.
There's no way to make it by software processing on a PC?
Great vid.
I use it with my Switch and with my Retrotink 5x for older consoles personally.
You must lower Switch to limited RBG range as well as 720p output in the console settings when the game is not natively 1080p. Mario Odyssey is but many other games like BOTW are not. Let the M Classic do the scaling from 720p to 1080 or 1440p that’s where it’ll show. The MK8D issue you are having are because you have the console on Auto or Full RBG
I've never seen a single review that convinced me I need the mClassic, and this one doesn't either, so thank you for the honesty.
Glad we could help!
Honesty? Did you see the thumbnail?
There must be something wrong with your eyes at 9:11. Just look at the text on the van in the background. Unreadable almost on the mClassic, but clear as day on the native 1080p switch output.
I appreciate the time you've put in making this video though it would have been even better if you also used the 1440 adapter in your conpatisons as that should give further improvement over 1080. The company behind mclassic should actually offer those adapters themselves.
If you set the Switch to 720p in docked mode you get much more consistent frame rates, and way less slowdown in the Zelda games. It's hard to tell the difference in a static-ish picture when you have the Switch set to 720 with mClassic upscaled to 1080p vs 1080p without it on.
The thing with the switch is most games output at 720p no matter what even docked. Some of the more AAA titles run 1080 like Mario kart 8, smash bros, etc. But kbky a handful compared to most games out there for the switch
The question we should be asking is, after 10 minutes play time, will we notic3 or care about this slight if any upgrade?
Yes.
I run my Switch at 1080p. I have an mClassic with EDID adaptor to force 1440p at all times. The image difference is noticable on all games, including MK8. Must have accessory in my opinion.
On 360 got to ‘Reference Levels’ and change it to ‘Standard’. On ps3 change ‘RGB Full Range’ to ‘Limited’