Scuf Envision Pro Controller Review-Too Good To Be PC Only!
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- Corsair has whipped Scuf into shape the last 3 years with the Reflex for PS5 and the Instinct for Xbox, 2 of my favorite pro controllers, so my anticipation (and expectations) are high of the PC only $180 gamepad with 11 extra buttons and double the warranty not to mention Omron facebuttons and 4 great rear buttons.
0:00 Intro
1:18 Forwards
1:48 Model Comparison
3:10 Quirks
4:04 Unboxing and Included Accessories
9:53 Cosmetics
10:48 Comfort
12:40 Build Quality
14:24 Dpad
15:25 Face buttons
15:43 Accessory Buttons
17:04 Thumbsticks
20:44 Bumpers and Triggers
21:30 Rear Buttons
23:51 G Buttons
24:33 Sax Buttons
25:26 Software/App
29:40 Stock Input Delay
30:58 Overclocked Performance
32:30 Converter Support
33:01 Cons
34:29 Pros
35:24 Verdict
37:25 Outro
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The best controller reviewer on CZcams delivers again. I know everyone else is also thinking this, but if this had hall effect sticks and console compatibility, it would have it all.
at least it looks easy to access the modules to replace them if necessary. will you do a demo of that? maybe on an older model Scuf controller
It'd still be missing gyro though
@@noclippIt really doesn't have gyro?
Even if it had changeable thumbsticks like ps5 edge pro.
@@noclipp are you some kind of child gamer ...gyro ? nah nah
Gotta say, i love the comment section on your videos. Both you and the community here do a great job fleshing out some of the nitty gritty afterthought details.
I watch most of your videos knowing im not gonna buy a single one of these just because it stratches that itch of thorough completionism.
That's what I love to hear
You are without doubt the Controller Captain. Your knowledge, depth of reviews and delivery is second to none..... and it's not even close. 👍🏼
I am 100% getting this. I was happy to wait for your review before buying (even though I’m now waitlisted), but your review confirms what I was hoping! The Wolverine was the only other one I was considering with the 6 extra buttons, but the face buttons and the fact it looks gorgeous tipped this over the line!
Did u get it?
enjoy the stick drift
@@ayjie6829I’m glad I work at bestbuy and don’t have to worry about that with my $2 protection plans 😂
How has the controler been for you so far?
Been waiting for you to review this one! I got one and been loving it so far.
Thanks dumb killer, I've been loving it too
@@GamerHeavenOfficial LMAO " Dumb Killer..." u just had to hit him with that eh
Scuf making a controller for PC better than their console controllers. Imagine.
Console gaming will be a thing of the past sooner than later.
@@upurweight that’s so unrealistic. PC has been around since the original Xbox and PlayStation and console is still just fine. Some people like simplicity
@@upurweight How is it the thing of the past and plus you cannot get the same power on a console on pc with that price. Console are the cheap way to get into gaming.
Consoles will slowly begin to become pre-built PCs...
@@upurweightpretty sure they're already are, I dont see why console manufacturers would open it up and use different os when the current way they do things rn allows them to optimize heavily on it and have a not bloated software slowing them down
Finally I’ve literally waited all week for your review! Best controller reviewer on yt
Hey Big Stallion, the a and b buttons can be changed, you just have to add them somewhere else first. It only forces a and b to be mapped somewhere. I also got better polling results on the higher sample tests. My instinct pro is benched.
Hey, another great video. This might be my first “pro”/PC specific controller I pick up. Would have been perfect if it could connect to PS5, but hopefully a dongle will come out to support that some day. Keep up the great work man.
Thank you Devin I appreciate that. PS5 support would be the bomb considering that is the platform I play on the most
Just received today. Can't wait to use. Great video.
Great video everything included that I wanted to know! Good job 👏🏼
Just in time waiting for my order from Best Buy! You the man!!
Yesterday when I bought the controller I was looking into adapters for iOS to play cod mobile. I hope one day the controller firmware can be updated to work with phones and just be universal all around to work with any console. Good video keep up your good work!
First time viewer, mind blown on your content and delivery. Look forward to new videos
They gotta add Hall effect sticks
Yea, it isn't even worth considering imo especially because of the price ridiculous
Really everything should have Hall effects. Why not? When there are $40 controllers that have them then it’s dumbfounding they $100+ controllers don’t.
they are afraid that those controllers will never break
the hood is getting the nacon revolution 5 not scuf
Fr not worth
Love your vids keep up the good work
Amazing review !!
Editing style never fails bro 😂🔥
Nice video mate. I know you mentioned about the G keys being able to be macro to pc functions but I don’t think you mentioned about the back 4 buttons. One of the key benefits and game changer is that you are able to set these up to any keyboard key.
You are not limited to only having to map front buttons to the back ones.
So with this you get the benefit of what MnK has. You can set up a button for just sliding, and another for prown. With this you get instant response. This is cause with the front button there is dive, slide, prown all linked to the one button and game waits to see if you are holding or click release to perform action. Now it will instant do it (as in game settings you have set keyboard binds to split actions up).
This is main reason it’s for PC only as you have ability to do Keyboard binds on all programmable buttons.
That’s the same capability the SteamDeck has with its rear buttons and steam input.
@@badmoose01 You are comparing a handheld Pocket PC for Steam that is 6x or more the price of the Controller.
But that is cool to know that is offered there too.
@@mrhairris2112 actually is closer to two times the cost of this controller but yeah, Valve is ahead of the curve on this stuff it seems. Also with the steam controller from a while ago.
I am just going off my market. Steamdeck is $1,400 - $1,600 vs $300 for scuf.
you are a magical content creator bro keep up the work
Absolutely great content man
This looks like an awesome controller and I hope the next instinct pro iteration from scuf includes those extra side buttons. Another big takeaway from this review is the fact that AK40Kevin has a 6 button Battle Beaver controller on the way for review someday in the future.
Beaver beaver beaver
@@GamerHeavenOfficial Thank God. I’ve been debating pulling the trigger on a Battle Beaver with 6 buttons for the last year.
Great video! One if not the only quality controller reviewers on CZcams, I love the in depth reviews. To no fault of Scuf, I broke my thumb a while back so the side by side thumbsticks have always been a much more uncomfortable layout for me. I would have loved to have seen an xbox layout option. and before I get a bunch of replies, I know this isn't scuf's problem. Just tough because I was looking forward to potentially getting my hands on their PC controller. I used to go back and forth between controllers with ease also, but yeah, my own stupidity and breaking my thumb has cast that aside 😂 RIP
Thank you for the compliment and for sharing your experience.
Him and vcuda are the only two i trust
Great video. I ordered the the white one last week.
Appreciate it Brother!!
Had Scuf taken the real leap and made the Pro version with hall effects joystick modules this would have been a phenomenal pro controller, but the lacking of that and all the current ICUE software issues, customers literally bricking new controllers or out of the box stick drift is ridiculous at this point coming from SCUF.
Thanks for all the great videos. So many choices, and the prices are so high...
Anyway did you see this bad boy : "epomaker controller" ?
AWESOME REVIEW!
Thank you
i dont usually watch 30-40 munites review but this was very interesting!
The funny editing and jokes made a 30 minute review on a controller very watchable and entertaining.
I was waiting for your review to order it and just today it shows me available so I just ordered that one white, though I wanted the gray one but the custom options did not show me that one. Thank you for your input!
That looks like an amazing controller! Just really wish it had the HE sticks. Hopefully an edition down the road will have them.
Amazing review thank you matey!
Nice, look forward to console versions. Thanks for sharing... "👍"...
I was hoping you'd make a review on this controller now I can have some clarity whether if iI want it. Thank You
Been waiting for you to make a video on this, always reliable. If you're up to it, could you do an comparison to the Envision Pro and the Wired Envision?
I really hope they make an Xbox version of this. The sax buttons are a really unique thing that would make Scuf standout from the crowd.
Scuf instinct pro is almost the same
I am very tempted to buy this controller but if they had hall effect stick I wouldnt even second guess buying it. I many like the hall effect ones because they are more responsive rather than the "no stick drift" claims
Yo bro they sell these on Best Buy. I saw that you didn’t mention that. I also got mine in 2 days ordering from there. Love the vids
Yeah I didn't mention that because I didn't know about it lol, or I probably would have bought from there
Great review as always, it's a really nice controller hopefully they make a PS or Xbox version.
i get mine in tomorrow i cant wait to play around with this
I have all kinds of controlles and the Scufs are one of the best. Until recently, the Scuf Envision Pro was my favorite controller for PC gaming, but I bought the *Flydigi APEX 4 Wireless Controller EVA Limited Edition* and I love it. The design of the limited edition is wonderful, the joysticks are more precise and has hall effect technology, the wired and wireless connection has a polling rate of 1000 Hz, achieving ultra-low latency, and the screen gives it an extra point. The only negative point for me is the Force Feedback triggers, because I'm not going to use them much, but they can be locked at the height you want and thus turn them into instant triggers for shooting games.
Great review. How do you think this controller holds up for fighting games? specifically the d-pad
Seems good BUT im keeping my PlayStation Edge I got this week. It’s AMAZING. I returned my Scuf Reflex FPS. Got 2 year warranty from Best Buy i can walk in get a new one anytime. My Edges input delay rate is .96ms after latest firmware, I didn’t overclock it myself (wtf??) and the short triggers actually click much faster than the entire travel time + you can make faster in DXW. I recommend the Edge if you’re shopping for PC controller!
Just ordered!!
We are nearing the END GAME controller. So happy when compatition creates perfection just takes time. Personally still waiting for hall effect on this form factor gamepad.
For the price I wish It would have come with a case, still happy with it though, great vid
Thank you for your review! Have you tried 8000hz before on a controller?
def. grabbing the pro
When they make this exact same white/grey design with hall sticks and Switch compatibility and BROOK CONVERTOR compatibility …. Easily copping 2, maybe 4.
Definitely laughed at the G Unit reference lol!
I'm sold on the Envision Pro... just switched to it after using an Elite Series 2 for the last decade. I'm not a big fan of iCue but the controller is one of the best I've ever used. What I really like is that you can remove run two or four paddles. I only run two so this was a big selling point for me.
I got an add for the scuf envision pro right before this video
I’m not lying
I’m in the market for my first pro custom controller. Mostly for warzone/cod. What’s your ultimate #1 controller to use? That will be good for mw3. Right now I’m between an aim controller and the envision. What is your go to for that game? If you could only pick one to use forever lmao. I’ve been watching all your videos and can’t decide. You probly have the most experience with every brand to know the answer. I play on pc.
i gotta get this. all those extra keys will be great for binding scripts.
Hey thanks for the video! I just bought my Envision Pro and I'm wondering what kontrolfreek is the best for the thumbsticks, you recommend the switch pro, right? The purple one for nintendo switch?
I wish 3rd party companies make more symmetric joy stick controllers I have the 8BitDo Pro 2 and I love it
Getting mine next month. I've topped out with R16 i94000k & 4090. Thanx so much for the review.
when i get the money this is the controller im getting, i love it
Can't wait for the hall effect version
22:44 is that light bleed or is it intentional? I must've somehow missed the rgb part of the video
Great review as usual tho. Scuf is really stepping it up, I like this even tho it has a few cons
Are hall effects specifically not being added so you buy a new controller from them again later?
I just bought this controller. This was one of the videos that informed my decision. The piece I'm confused by, is the statement of the "included" larger thumbsticks. My packaging did not include alternate thumb sticks. Was that a mistake in the video?
How’s the stick tension feel on this? I’ve always loved the ps4 controller and the tension on it. I have the t4 gamesir Hall effect controller and not a fan of the Xbox layout, and I feel my aim isn’t the best with how light the sticks are.
Can this be used without iCUE? Do you NEED to have that installed for this controller to fully work?
What are those dome sticks? Instinct? Or regular scuf that comes in a 4 pack? I have control freak waiting in my cart for the regular stock thumbsticks and I’m just curious on which the domesticks are so I can get them as well
What type of thumbstick replacement do you use for this controller cuz I want the high ones
They sell them in Best Buy. Best Buy carries a lot of Corsair hardware. Only the gray, Pro version as far as I could see. Bought mine there last week, hope this helps someone
COMRADE!!!!!!!!!! Great video as usual !!!
Thank you comrade
16:04 I legit said it with you .. I’m subscribing you a OG
We finally have a wireless controller with micro switches! I prefer the Xbox layout unless I'm playing a d-pad game, then I want the d-pad at the top (like this one). I know a lot of people play FPS games on their controllers, but I use a keyboard and mouse for those. For me, the "joystick at the bottom" design is gonna cause thumb pain from the way I hold the controller (N64/GCN-style). I wish you could swap their positions like the Thrustmaster. I've been longing for a wireless controller with this featureset.
When it comes to your praise of the bumpers, stock XBO/S pads can do a similar thing, the sculpting on the bumpers allows for a resting position on the trigger with an upwards bump to actuate the bumpers. A lot of modern controllers are actually capable of this, though individual sculpts can be more difficult than others, even the Steam Controller in its ungodly bumper design can do this with a bit of learning of how to finesse the bumpers.
One thing I find odd is the face of the controller, the design 100% allows for a Sony touchpad on the top center of the face. In fact the only thing that says Xbox or PC is the face button legends. I genuinely think this controller stems from a PS5 design, but somehow got flipped into a PC-only controller.
I don't really care for the G keys personally. They seem more like accessory macros, they're just so far out of the way. Which I guess makes sense as keyboard remappables for media inputs, etc., but I'd still rather see these in a more accessible area. Possibly even go as far as a mode switch where a faster to reach accessory button in combination with a face button can provide your accessory mapping; we've also seen this on some controllers, where an accessory button plus Dpad input acts as the media cluster, and it's really not a bad design assuming accessory key layout is decent.
I also have mixed feelings on the SAX buttons. In concept they seem decent, in execution they just look awkward, and in practicality they're a mess considering the ergonomics of a controller. Given ergonomics, you have a face layout that's fixed and a shoulder layout that's fixed, typically the shoulders are a non-issue for a range of hand size because they'll still fall under the index finger tips (and middle finger tips depending on grip style, some people do use middles on triggers while indexes remain on bumpers) due to how wide the shoulder set is and inversely they're still usable with the same design for larger hands due to width of the buttons and how the hands grip the controller. Where ergonomics fall apart is back buttons being within awkward reach and now these side buttons, because the face and shoulders are a fixed layout these secondary inputs really need to be more flexible to fit the same extension of hand sizes, which is why some back button sets feel awful for some people but decent for others, and these side buttons will be no different. Personally, I feel like the intent was for the button to fall under your proximal phalanx, rather than your MCP joint, because a lateral movement of the fingers would result in a squeeze while not really modifying how the shoulders are used, as opposed to trying to actuate the side button with a portion of your palm that has virtually no dexterity. I went through my own collection of controllers just to see where these buttons should optimally be and I think they do need to move up a bit if not be sculpted into the transition of the top to side of the controller, and this was true for essentially everything I picked up; but to extend on this, these would have to have a decently long throw and be a fairly heavy button, as I mentioned in the best way to actuate them being to slide your middle and distal phalanxes across the shoulders to bump these side buttons with your proximal phalanx, the button would need to a heavy switch just to avoid accidental inputs, and it'd need a longer throw given how your finger otherwise pivots, a simple microswitch just would not suffice all things considering. Personally I think a better design would be to have additional shoulders, similar to what Razer and other third parties (FlyDigi is the first that comes to mind) has done, except make these a lateral press rather than a button that presses into the body of the controller, not only would this make actuation easier on the finger (lighter and shorter fingertip tap rather than leveraging the proximal phalanx against a button) there's also more potential for sculpting and a wider range of hand sizes and grip styles as these are within the shoulder cluster itself; plus going back to how XBO/S, and many other controllers, can have an upwards bump on the bumpers, these can have a lateral bump from the same resting position, meaning more accessible buttons from one position on top of the already less effort to use the button. Ergonomics are complex and so many designs just outright get it wrong, again the concept is fine but practicality isn't there when there's clearly a better solution to this, and I'm all for more inputs considering I use my Steam Controller constantly and that thing is a powerhouse of physical input variety and software customizability, but side buttons is just not the way to do it unless you have the buttons at the literal corner where the top meets the sides and this should be a last ditch effort of adding additional buttons. The whole 'you can straighten out your finger' to actuate them demonstrates the issues with the ergonomics, doing this motion just to actuate a side button is removing your finger from the shoulders, which is what secondary inputs are trying to avoid (see: rear buttons keep your thumb on the stick for longer), especially when the shoulders are being praised for 'better' usability; i.e. the design just doesn't work, maybe the design is fine and Kevin just has a really high grip on the controller, it's hard to judge without having the controller in-hand, but I'm inclined to lean towards that it's just a bad design.
I have similar opinions with the rear buttons. Good concept, practicality is iffy, and execution might not work for some hand sizes. I think the goal of the buttons, as Kevin somewhat pointed out, is that lateral movement in one direction hits the paddle and lateral movement in the other direction hits the button; though these aren't true laterals based on finger movement as that requires curling of the finger, but rather a reference of direction based on the rear of the controller. While multiple buttons from one resting position is good, but again the face layout is fixed and in combination with the shell's sculpting that will influence where your fingers will land on the rear of the controller, which means a fairly narrow scope of hand sizes can use these buttons as intended by the design, not to mention a fixed face and a fixed rear with a particular shell sculpt will heavily influence grip style and hand posture, so while it could be usable doesn't mean it's optimal or comfortable; and by design and the shots of the rear, Kevin's hands look to be on the larger end of hand sizes that'll find this design usable, though I'm inclined to believe that his hands are larger than what the controller was actually optimized for based on design. Again, ergonomics are difficult, most companies constantly get it incorrect, rear buttons can be hit or miss because they're secondary yet not customizable to the wider range of hand sizes.
The fix for secondary inputs is simply to have adjustability or modularity in the sculpting to account for the wider range of hand sizes. Ironically Corsair themselves got this correct when they introduced the key slider thumb inputs on their mice, I'm not sure if the Scimitar is the only mouse of theirs to use this; because not everyone has the same hand size and the thumb buttons are secondary to the shell of the mouse, which again influences how your hand sits. So why can't we see this in more products where secondary inputs will entirely make or break a product for a variety of people? I mean, we already see trigger stops, that kind of mechanism wouldn't be too dissimilar from how rear buttons could be adjusted; or we already have swappable parts that could heavily change ergonomics with correct implementation, for example thumbstick caps and risers, or this very controller that has multiple sculpts for the SAX buttons. All of these secondary inputs could be much more widely usable, just as usable as the face and shoulder layouts are, if companies would just take the time to logically implement things and have some form of adjustability or modularity where different hand sizes and hand postures can pick up the same controller and not complain about secondary layouts with a bit of per-person customization out of the box. It'd be so nice for one of these big companies to finally get ergonomics correct without catering to the ergo niche, and this is a common complain I have with a lot of controllers, even the Steam Controller that I keep bringing up has ergonomic issues the moment you leave the touchpads, or again its ungodly bumper design that's barely has an upwards bump from a finger rest at the trigger; at least Microsoft got most of the ergonomic issues right, but they also have a division for ergo peripherals so they probably borrowed some talent from there, and a lot of the third party market either copies this or gravitates towards this, even Nintendo has gravitated towards it with their full controller.
nobody reading all that shit
Do you know if modding it for HE sticks would be as simple as how other custom controller makers replace them?
Scuff made the 45 ft range so that you can control heavy machinery/submarine from far away of coarse as gamers don't have a screen big enough to be seen 45 feet away. Fun fact lot's of companies use controllers to control their heavy machinery, heck even the us military uses them.
Lol. Okay there Stockton
this might be a silly question,but are custom controllers supported with steam input,as in can i assign keyboard keys to any button?
how comfortable is this controller if you hold it with index and middle fingers both on shoulder buttons? that's how I play Rocket League and I use ring finger for back buttons. Is it still easy to press the 4 back buttons and the 2 sax buttons with that grip?
About using USB-C inputs on your PC. If you're using a USB-A to USB-C converter, the most you can do is 10Gb, not 20Gb+ like USB-C. Also, these controllers almost exclusively use USB 2.0 speeds meaning it won't even use the USB 3.0 pins. It's possible they do. If so, they wouldn't be fighting with other USB 2.0 devices. But from using USB Tree Viewer in Windows, I found that the majority of my devices are USB 1.1 and 2.0. The only USB 3.0+ devices I have are some NVMe drive readers, some SATA drive readers, a couple flash drives, and a Blu-ray drive (other Blu-ray drives use USB 2.0). Even my Focusrite pre-amp and camera are USB-C, but they only use USB 2.0.
Oh, I guess there is one other USB 3.0 device I have; my phone. Not sure if that counts.
I watched a video that showed the hall effect sticks and a special adapter on the ps5 controller. Im thinking of doing it as a project on my series x controller
people on mac dont matter.
The G keys are so sick, you can use text macros so at the end of a match, instead of typing GG EZ, you can set G1 to type it 😆😆
Have you tried using Besavior's U5 adapter to see if you can play the Scuf PC controller on the PS5?
Just when I had decided i was going to keep this Elite Series 2...
DAMNIT.
My FPS freeks fit, but the front plate blocks them. Have you tested them fully on the controller? You can feel them rubbing the plate and getting caught up on it. It even affects in game sensitivity due to it getting blocked.
Hey, in your opinion, what is the best my best I mean durable controller for PC
What more controllers can you adjust the thumbstick curve response on? Need one for my racing games but this one is not availble in my country
Are the thumbstick separated like the dualsence? Because when 3rd parties copy the stick layout, they are too close for me. My thumbs touch.
Will you be able to actually tell the 2ms input delay? Im rocking the scuf reflex now OC and have a 1ms delay
It’s been about 6 months now, How’s the controller holding up?
I bought the envision pro and did not open it yet trying to decide if it was worth moving on from my reflex fps. My main concerns were the possibility of losing response time from the reflex fps' permanent digital triggers to the envision pro's optional setting and assumption (that you disproved) that wireless would be a slower response time than wired. Now I am sold and excited to move to the envision pro!
how long have u had ur reflex fps & does it still hold up well. Any issues ?
@@erikmorales1641 I've had it since May 2022 and love it. It has held up well with no stick drift or other issues. I am only moving to the envision pro for the extra options for PC and the possibility of going wireless with no input delay.
@@danlouis6778 But you can't overclock it to get 0.9 like the ps5 which is making me reconsider.
i believe hardware mapping just changes the stock hard mapped profiles that come out of the box. so if you where to take it and i guess use it on another pc without icue you can still load ur custom profiles since their hard mapped to stock profiles? idk just a guess since other icue products ive used in past have had the same hardware lighting option for when icue is closed.
Great review! Does it count as an X Input controller by default without third party software? Can it be used with non-steam platforms? Like X Box Gold
Yes after doing the initial update it is recognized by the PC as an x input controller without having to run any spoofy programs
@@GamerHeavenOfficial perfect! Thanks! I’ve been waiting for Scuf to get back to me about that for weeks.
The Scuf vantage was the best ergonomically controller I ever owned,the hardware just had to many problems,the envision is the same controller,just new hardware for pc, I own ps5 never had a xbox,but the off set thumbstick definitely feel better
I know I'm a bit late, but can you assign a G key to push two buttons simultaneously, like a super in Destiny 2 or equipment in CoD?
For me a person who plays double claw I prefer the PlayStation stick layout because I can’t wrap my head around using my index finger to click L3 it’s too hard to press down in my opinion
Any discount code before I order? Don’t mind being on waitlist
Did you talk about how the analog stick caps are obviously sharp wedges that will get into your thumb like a razor blade when fully pressed in any direction
What was that program called that fixed the thumb sticks deadzones and can you run it when you play games?
Bummer no Gyro Aim. Would make it an immediate no-go for me. Interesting also theres no Hall Effect sticks. That and limited to PC only, seems a bit too limiting for that price. A bit unfortunate since it seems like a solid built controller outside of those.
I'm glad you mentioned this because I didn't even think about gyro
Do you think this controller's dpad is good for fighting games? Definitely important to me, I read many complaints about the PS5 Razer Wolverine V2 dpad with its mechanical switches being way too sensitive causing way to many extra unintended inputs and so I'm worried this dpad might cause issues like that too with the mechanical switches...
I have symmetrical hands, I need symmetrical thumbsticks lol but great review!