The Deprogram Episode 118 - Thinking about Thinking (Ft. Sisyphus 55)
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- čas přidán 23. 07. 2024
- Let's take a journey through philosophy, pushing up one boulder at a time.
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One must imagine Sisyphus is a comrade.
One must imagine Sisyphus to be a tankie (non-derogatory)
Fighting a never ending battle against a persistent unthinking force that intent on dragging him down, yeah Sisyphus is a comrade.
I absolutely did not expect him of all people to come on this podcast! Next thing they’ll have Parenti and and a reborn Engels on the same episode.
Parentii has dementia, the boys said on a earlier podcast that he was highly influential and he was great but he really should rest and he won’t be on the stream.
Waiting for socrates
What about Engels?@@Themehsofproduction
@@Themehsofproduction it saddens me greatly that he might not see how he has influenced so many of the new generations around the world.
@@Themehsofproduction Keep supporting patreon and Hakim cures dementia.
one must imagine the deprogram crew happy
*in JT's basement :)
And rested
This has to be (and it couldn't be any other way, being the episode about Phylosophy) the most critical/polarized episode in the podcast, in a good way. Not particularly because the guest is not a Marxist (despite being very well versed in the phylosophy), but because the propositions and arguments presented were very honest and received with such a nuance that didn't delve into unproductive discussions. And I highly appreciate that, being critical and self-critical is a huge part of being Marxists, we need to be constantly questioning what our political theory and praxis do to the world and to ourselves, if we're into the right path to achieve our goals or if our strategy and tactics are inadequate.
More guests like Sisyphus from time to time, please!
From a Marxist and general philosophy perspective, I concur with this point. These kinds of guests are needed for synthesizing various aspects of each domain of knowledge.
The guest we didn't deserve but desperately needed
Great episodes back to back lately
Sisyphus 55 is awesome and this episode was epic. Finally we can talk abou the philosophy that ia always missing and gives tremendous pleasure to people to just think and ask why?
20:53 - "we have to continually push The Rock up the hill"
OK, I tried pushing The Rock up a hill but it made him pretty cranky.
Sisyphus would crack up if he heard that joke!
2 amazing guests back to back! Almost as based as the Brace Belden episode.
one must imagine sisyphus class conscious
I watched and enjoyed Sisyphus's videos before and now I get to see him talk on one of my favorite podcast, I couldn't ask for something better.
I'm surprised Kavernacle hasn't been on yet.
Kavernackle is anti-stalin and anti-mao. The deprogram is distinctly pro both of those.
I was suspcting this reveal at some point but this took me by surprise!
I imagine Sisyphus happy.
the guests have been fire recently
Don't worry, comrades. You always worry if your work is getting people to get politically involved, and I want you to know that you have moved me to do so. I have recently acquired a 3D printer, and I can now turn theory into material action. Concrete action. Shits about to get real. Yee-Haw!
Great and thoughtful discussion. Hail the great Sisyphus!
47:30 Hey Yugopnik! To respond to your lovely "rant"; I joined the Communist Party of Britain recently and am gradually getting more invovled. You and Hakim and JT play a significant role in causing me to shift my ass off the chair and touch some grass IRL
Thank you guys!!
Heck yes, I love sisyphus55!
Yall are just interviewing Sisyphus 55! What an amazing thing to wake up to
Great conversation, great episode.
been waiting for this one!
Omg! Thanks comrades for introducing me to Sisyphus’s content
Can't wait to hear this one! ❤
Never heard of the guest before but he was fantastic and will definitely be checking his channel out. Great episode yall 💜
Somebody made a Sisyphus level in Mario Maker where you shield a rock up a cliff and if you miss the final hit, the rock resets.
this is the best collab ever
this was probably the best one so far
Have you thought about getting The Canvas as a guest? An art episode would be epic!
That’s a great idea.
Down for an art episode. 👀
love the guest. 10/10
47:45 I feel this. Living in countries where a socialist movement gaining any significant power is extremely unlikely, it feels like all that void stuff. Here is hoping we can make incremental impacts until something tips.
Seems much smarter to just get out of you reasonably can. "get ready to learn Chinese, buddy"
NO FUCKING WAY THIS GUY WAS A COMMUNIST? LETS GOOOOO
I mean, could go either way...
I think he is, though a la CCK Philosophy way (Western-"Marxist" theorymen)
That being said, some of their guests are kinda iffy cuz they're more shitposters than progressive (eg. Chapo boys, Hasan, et Wowmao)
Pretty sure he's an anarchist yea
definitely has been, he accurately explains anarchist ideas like Emma Goldmans and also explains marxist and communist ideas like Slavoj Zizek in a clear way. he does tons of analysis in a leftist progressive point of view too in terms of toxic masculinity etc.
@@lowkoalatee4033 explaining marxist ideas like zizek is not a compliment really, he's a clown when it comes to leninism
Yaaaaas boys I fuckin love everything Sisyphus55 makes , so fun to see him on one of my fav commie pods :)
Nice video!
Sysiphus love you
I love Sisyphus
Québec did not come close to seceding from Canada in 1995, actually. That is a common misconception, even among Québécois. The 'Yes' camp could not even get a majority and the phrasing of the referendum question was deliberately vague, so even if the 'Yes' camp had won a clear majority, it would have only given its representatives the mandate to negotiate. For all we know, it could have easily gone nowhere or, worse, ended up like the 2017 Catalan independence referendum.
ok but thd quebecois love to bring it up and play victim, then blame immigrants or some shit
@@KekusMagnus Yes, unfortunately. That is why I no longer support the sovereignty movement - even if there have been efforts to do away with the xenophobic sentiment, which notably led to the creation of what is now known as Québec Solidaire.
My dream collab
Ohh this should be an interesting one i just know it.
The point is to change it while doubting the whole time.
I am here for Yugopnik rants
Wow let's fucking go
1:11:26 JT: dialectical materialism is philosophy, comrade! You could even call it a _Wissenschaft!_
rock climbers, rock n rollers, and rock counters
philosophy bros eating today
An unexpected guest!
JT, to answer your question about philosophy, the truth is that philosophers are just a bunch of weirdos who have fun and get off to having a big think. It's personal entertainment disguised as important contemplation. I say this as a philosopher.
Once again, CZcams user nowhereman6019 having the best takes.
@@noellethomas2589 how many places have you seen me.
clinical psychology helps humans. experimental psychology helps human kind.
Je suis bien content que t'apprenne le français tabarnak!
23:58 as much as I love true detective season 1, I can no longer say that time is a flat circle! I now say that time is a mthrfkn spiral!
Get him back on!
yea do that from now on pls. Make a Psychology/Philosophy Podcast with Sisyphus 55 vibes to it. So you dont have to pretend
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Yugopnik is Serbian confirmed?
I have always assumed this too but he could be from Bosnia, Croatia, Montenegro or even Macedonia and you would hardly be able to tell
WTF THEY GOT BOY BOY AND 55 WTFFFFFF
Does it mean I'm old now if I have no clue who either is?
@@berdyderg900 well not necessarily... Your material conditions and personal taste greatly influence what you entertain yourself with but I could also use the same logic of your question to answer it and I would reach the conclusion that you must be young since you consume youtube content and specifically listen to the deprogram, a podcast in which both hakim and yugopnik create videos with gen z meme humor, a kind of humor closely linked to the preferences and taste of young people. Still, I greatly recommend you watch both Boy Boy and Sysyphus 55. Great content creators!
“That is why we say that to us there is no such thing as a morality that stands outside human society; that is a fraud. To us morality is subordinated to the interests of the proletariat's class struggle.”
lore question: where does the hakim & french arc originates
He's from Iraq
And the fr*nch are fr*nch 😔
Have you guys thought about having Viktor Grossman on?
EDIT: yup, he's so hot with that beard! haha and even has some really good looking guests! what is happening?!?! 🤣
checked-out his channel and OMG he cute!!! :D
Yo
Oh god don't remind of McGill grad school, i have a thesis to finish writing...
hi
19:16 Hideo, Kajima, already did that it’s called Death Stranding that’s why no-one liked playing it and they were like it’s just a walking simulator!
Yeah no shit dude it’s it’s a delivery game!
What do you think deliveries are!
And then everyone complains when there’s like no story or something!
It’s all absurd!!!
What was the name of the Chinese philosopher he keeps mentioning?
Byung-Chul Han?
Nick Mullen
5:26 oh fuck it’s the French
Imagine
marxism was born out of a questioning and deconstruction of capitalism,
capitalism grew out of a questioning and deconstruction of feudalism.
modern science grew out of a questioning and deconstruction of arestotelian science
philosophy questions. it opens paths, removes obstacles of the mind.
it flushes out the old, so the new can take root.
as questioning continues, and people realise the lack of foundation in leading dogma's and ideals, whether they be religious, political, economic, ..
mechanically they will try to find new answers. there answers then develop into new dogma's, which can be questioned.
The scientific method developed, in an intersection between desire to have knowledge, to understand reality, and the questioning of what is known, and who knows.
hence the constant growth, and re-evaluation of its foundations.
but science is a sword, it is only concerned with knowing. not with doing. that is its limit, its weakness is in its a-morality, it lacks the strength of will, for justice,
and it lacks the beauty of flowers, of the unpredictibality in uniqueness and unrepeatability.
politics is concerned with doing, how to go about living, how to live a good life, but often turns into an orobouros, a self eating snake, where it thrives on repetition, rather than an appreciation of life on earth. its weakness is in its search for order, rather than justice. so often politics resembles a madhouse of neurotics, of people just speaking mantra's of what they believe in, without it having any relation to reality, just mechanical promotion, often not aware of what they are promoting.
Religion is concerned with being, with surrender, love, acceptance, sharing, but again often this leads to dogmatism and empty gestures, and forced inaction, repression, ritualism..
naturally the three are in conflict, constant friction and often enrich through that friction, as they deconstruct each others dogma's..
but in all three cases the mind is involved and development of knowing, doing, and being, cannot continue without the questioning of the mind.
to question the mind and it effect as a filter, a sensor, a dictator.
and while philosophy does act sometimes as a drug, as an addiction to the mind,
it also can act as a stepping stone, to counter the dominating systems and players in those systems, especially for young people, who are not as cunning as them,
and not as able to find arguments against these systems, even though they experience them as wrong, as harmfull to their soul, their freedom, their innocence..
though to be hounest, nothing that a newborn child cannot express or understand, is worth saying through philosophy.
the reason is: words are just the vehicles. they are like reflections in a mirror. but these reflections go on changing, they are riverlike. they can never be the same.
but a child is a mirror. to know the reflection, is to become knowledgeable, to know the mirror, is simply to be.
As someone with a formal philosophy education, this was an excellent episode. I ended up taking several notes. though I think something that I would have liked to see brought up in the discussion is the Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts by Marx in 1844. It's one of his earlier writings that is less talked about in socialist circles but is nonetheless commonly known in philosophy ones. That was the stage where he was still developing a number of his key ideas but you can see a philosophical perspective in those that you don't see quite as much in the later text -- with regards to human nature, Marx's idea of "Species being" is big from there, essentially that humans have an innate creative drive. It connects with the existentialist topics discussed here in the podcast and in other parts of the continental side of philosophy's literature. Also, Sartre's Search for a Method (a prelude to synthesizing Marxism with existentialism) could have been great too. Even so, this was a great podcast episode. Looking forward to more neighboring guests like this.
this channel is literally a content mill but in the good organic sense 🌱 ❤
Your comments is like manure in that good organic sense 🔥❤️🔥🔥
I didn't like this guy very much, i'm glad you called him out on his more egregious points. I would have clicked off if you hadn't.
Bring Vaush on The Deprogram
Fuck no.