FilmFuns #2 : Kingdom of Heaven steals from The 13th Warrior
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
- In this episode of FilmFuns, we explain over-simplistically how one score takes the melody of another. In this case, it's Kingdom of Heaven's score taken from The 13th Warrior.
![THE 13TH WARRIOR I Soundtrack "Sound Of The Northmen" [HD]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/_sc3N3UKaYA/mqdefault.jpg)
Yep... I jumped from my seat....being The 13th Warrior one of my all time favs, I instantly recognized the score...
A great ode to Goldsmith from Gregson-Williams. Goldsmith had died in 2004 before this film was released. I really thought it was a breath of fresh air and a wonderful nod to a legendary composer. Plus, I mean, come on... The 13th Warrior score is juuuust legendary.
To be honest, this could be in every heroic moment in any movie ever and I would be ok with it.
For a number of inside reasons (lots of studio and set infighting), The 13th Warrior bombed, and bombed so badly that it was pretty much cursed in the industry. You can read about the drama elsewhere, but the upshot was that no one wanted to be anywhere near that film, even though it's really good.
Due to the drama, Goldsmith wasn't even nominated for that year's Oscar for Best Score, when (IMHO) he should have won it handily. I think it's likely that the group from Kingdom of Heaven thought it was a shame that the soundtrack was ignored through no fault of its own, and wanted to give it a second chance.
I didn't even bother to check if it was a different composer, I immediately assumed that it was lifted wholesale from 13th Warrior, when I heard it in Kingdom of Heavens.
Goldsmith died that year. It was a homage to him.
I remember when I saw this movie. The music is gorgeous, but the Valhalla music threw me. I was sitting there like "Wait. That's Valhalla. That's from 13th warrior! THAT'S FROM 13TH WARRIOR!" and I was just astounded when I realized that they actually put a theme from another movie into it. Now, mind you, honestly, the music is a great match for the scene and you probably couldn't have found a better homage to the feeling of desperation and defiance than that music, but it's still pretty lazy.
I have never seen the 13th warrior
It's on the list of movies I have to see
Now that I know that one of my favourite musics of one of my favourite movies ever comes from it, it moved really up in the list :p
I don´t think it´s lazy. Also the iconic pirates of the Caribbean song is from Gladiator. If the composer has to write a song that has a certain emotion in it, I don´t see a reason why he should not use something from his previous compositions, if it has the sound he needs. It´s like trying to reinvwnt the wheel. Plus, I really think that sometimes directors use soundtrack from different movies to pay them homage. You know, it could have been pivotal movie in their career or something and they wanted to acknowledge it.
It’s the same track, the reason being they needed music since the Kingdom of Heaven scene is actually a deleted scene and never intended for wide distribution.
I really thought I was the only person to notice this. Glad I'm not alone.
It's not a secret. It's a needle drop using Goldsmith's 13th Warrior score for temp source.
These aren't different scores. It's the same track, much like how "The Crow Descends" by Graeme Revell also makes an appearance in Kingdom of Heaven. Look at the end credits and see that Jerry Goldsmith is credited for the track "Valhalla".
+Kyle Voakes Thanks for the 411. I guess I should change the accusation from "steals" to "lazy".
@@IsItModern I wonder if Jerry Goldsmith was the original composer of KoH and was fired during its creation. Much like Graeme Revell's completed score for the 13th warrior was rejected and then redone by Jerry Goldsmith. Pretty funny. Thanks for the video comparisons.
@@BeforeiSleepFilmsJerry Goldsmith died almost a full year before Kingdom of Heaven was even released and had been suffering from cancer for at least a year before that.
@@IsItModern It's also entirely possible they were told to use that track by the studio to save time and money.
Great job
Sometimes I listen to this theme to hype myself up and when I watched “kingdom of heaven” for the first time I thought my speakers were randomly playing the theme
Not a ripoff, they used it as a temp track and it fit so well they didn't bother changing it. I love both movies and am ok with this.
Its called a TEMP TRACK.
They probably own the music or score now. It was perfect for both scenes whosever it’s is.
It is the same track. No copying or incorporating themes , just borrowing the exactly same music.
Right, that's why I said they stole it.
@@IsItModern Except it's not theft, lol. Theft implies they did someone wrong, however they were clear with their intention to pay homage to 13th warrior
why then they didnt copy all notes but left one out? 😂 clearly thuggy steal
@@VermillionGates lol, no. What are you talking about?? That is NOT how paying homage works. It requires you to actually giving credit, not straight up copying it and taking credit for it yourself.
@@roffe8751 Ok nerd
both great movies
If you fall Ridley Scott at all, you should know that he was Jerry Goldsmith's biggest fan. Kind of like Chris Nolan and Hans Zimmer collaborate now, Ridley Scott loved working with Jerry Goldsmith. Jerry Goldsmith until his death considered the score he wrote for Scott in the movie Legend to be his best work. Didn't surprise me for one second that a Jerry Goldsmith would be borrowed by Ridley Scott. Scott even had a reprise of Jerry Goldsmith's original score for Alien in Covenant.
Chris Nolan is a fucking plagiarist, a fraud and a liar who never created anything more than the shit in his diapers.
Other comment was correct. The credit was given. End of the credits it says Jerry Goldsmith, so not a steal, an honor.
I dunno, so far as I heard they had a rather troubled work relationship. Because of that they only worked on Alien and Legend together.
No doubt....what a rip
Tarantino uses melodies of several movies in his 🤷
I was drunk last night watching kingdom of heaven and I thought that score is from 13th warrior. I have watched both movies multiple times and only realised this pissed as a fart!
The music towards the end of the movie (final battle day 2) reminds me of gladiator… the opening battle in Germania (or maybe the recreation of the battle of cartridge in the colleseum…). I came here because I noticed the 13th warrior rip off. Now I’m wondering what else they took. :/