@@Bewefau Thank you, I'm very aware of this movie. However, this was a “Hollywood” production, and not based on reality. Wargaming and AI. What would occur using current-day technologies? It would be fascinating to witness a wargame simulation utilizing two or three equivalent AI systems with all relevant data made available to them. I'm thinking along the lines of two to three (or even more?) different yet equally powerful AI systems, given read-only access to the WWW, a one-year settling time to acquire and process all relevant and accessible data, and then provide a date, or short window of time, for a declaration of hostilities. 1. Assign one AI to each nuclear power, or nation directly involved in the hostilities (i.e. America, China, Russia, Great Britain, Israel, etc.). 2. As an additional charter, require that they determine a winning solution that minimizes civilian casualties. 3. Further, allow the differing AI’s to choose, and even form alliances, or negotiate. Which system would win, and what would that end scenario look like? They could do several; one with nuclear weapons, one without, or even use biological deterrence. It would be very interesting I think, and I'd be willing to bet many first-world military powers are already doing this.
B-2 + 10 on stealth rolls F-35 + 4 dexterity rolls + 4 damage A-10 + 5 on Constitution rolls Chinook + 3 on strength rolls and carrying capacity D20 dice for wargaming. Can I come play ???
China Hypersonic carrier killer cruise missile +100 on die roll Hypersonic and 1000s of cruise long range precision missiles land attack missiles +100 Logistics advantage +200 Industrial Production capacity and potential +500 Morale and motivation military personal of defender of motherland vs expeditionary army fighting war on the other side of world +200 A clear strategy to win vs no reasonable strategic objective of USA +1000 - prevent Taiwan independence vs ??
All these people in comments must have never read up on the accuracy of wargames in determining future events. They did the same simulation styles for Vietnam war and then the results happened in real life.
@@user-od4yl3rf4n They lost for a number of reasons, the military wargames simulations just showed the plausible outcomes. But they kept on going despite the predictions made by the wargames.
At the end of the game he employed the Wizard spell, which doubled the loss to the Chinese to 10, 000. I have the same edition of the D&D game they were playing.
Totally unrealistic, run with dungeons and dragons dice 😂. Get an AI program to do it now. Besides it’s a war which will never happen, China will just blockade Taiwan and it’ll run out of fuel in months. US and NATO don’t even have troops in Ukraine. They’re not going to fight China. It’ll just be sanctions.
@@tonymedina922 You must’ve missed the *”I* talk to” after the “every person” part, be literate next time. Also, it’d be better to reference someone who pays attention.
Be sure the invoice to the Pentagram for paperboard, wooden chips and dices "wargame" was for at a minimum modest $300 million. Then the "consultant to play was another $600 million because they are "experts".
No, not really. They just needed to roll two 7s in a row and the Chinese would have been able to fight off the American forces. They couldn't do that. They lost fair and square. This just proves America will win the war .
russians would nuke america. chinese have a no first use policy on nukes. Meaning this war could actually happen with both the USA and China agreeing not to use nuclear weapons.
@@imsusanov2287 To say China didn't help Russia is like saying USA did not help Ukraine as no US troops or F35 bombed Russia. Back to your video game. Sorry to interrupt.
How do you think computer simed war games are run......it's all based on probability of outcome....or let me put it basic terms you'll understand. Math.
The conclusion in the end is completely nonsense. They need to have someone who understands the Chinese to participate. Losing 10000 men meaning that the Chinese will be humiliated is a joke.
China will attack with millions of men. Not thousands. Their population size is huge 4 times that of US. They will overwhelm Taiwan and Japan. This war is already lost.
They also forgot that russia and china has bases in south america. And the space tech , cyber tech which can drop bombs on american countries.This guy is wack-o he doesn't understand the tech right now. America relies on space GPS to target its enermies. US never had to face a Russia or China before which is superior to them in outer space. Instead they hit 3rd world countries and bully them around, even with afgan, iran and vietnam, beat them with bamboo sticks and pitch forks. Get real us, you are not as tough as you think you are anymore.
Duh, it's just a war game club for neocons. If you're a black homie in da hood, you don't get paid for doing this. If you're a white professional bullshxxer in DC, you get paid six digits to play games like this.
By studying the country and their war tactics, military base locations, personnel and equipment present, fleets, and also studying how the us fights wars, the fleet and personnel present in that area and by knowing how each country fights you would try to simulate that in the board, using each countries tactics and the ships and stuff they have being used as a playing piece
Mr Ammar you must be a smart man, why don’t you create a military simulator that can host millions of invidual moveable pieces that can be controlled by humans or players. Then accurately recreate every single tank/aircraft/boat that can even remotely be used for military operations and predict the future! I’m sure you could do it! After all we are better than a simple board game!
At this point in civilization... Maybe war should be nattled by probability and statistics along with at furthest VR battles to preserve military troop bodies. I think we have advanced as a civilization to the point conventional battles just wont work eventually. Just high cost and lost lives for very little reward.
For anyone wondering: Yes, wargaming can be very accurate. they're not insane at all for doing this in fact wargaming has been done since the dawn of warfare. Yes you can play wargames. you have to decide on an era and then on a specific rulebook to learn and use for your game. you'll need tokens or miniatures to represent units and a map for the scale of wargame you want. also friends, friends are important for this.
A war between the USA and China would involve intense naval, air, cyber, and space battles, with significant economic disruptions and global instability. Both nations would suffer heavy military and civilian losses, and the conflict would likely end in a stalemate due to mutually assured destruction and international diplomatic pressure. No clear victor would emerge, underscoring the need for diplomatic solutions to avoid such a catastrophic outcome.
A board game is actually a good way to think about this. Rolling a dice and getting random combinations would be realistic in the sense that a war can go ANY way. If you keep getting unlucky with the dice rolls, then you gotta make due with what ya got. You won't always have a fleet of destroyers at your disposal. 3 3 24
I'm assuming you don't have a rule set for China's severe corruption or low quality Equipment or America's Ultra woke military you overestimate both of them
😡 Well now!......I AM SUPER UPSET at the fact that no one told me you could actually have a career playing board games or strategy simulators!!!? Because 😶😉.....I would like to play as well! Where do I sign up? I mean this has to be not only related to militarh defense, planning, operations, preparedness but also many things! I bet the board game is realistic and takes into account factors such as a destroyers range, radar capabilities, air defense systems etc? I am imagining what It is really like now well let me play too! I want to take a serious crack at it too!
Even if they got 2 of them, which is a huge ask. They will be trying to deal with another 5-7 of them a few days afterwards. This time with a vastly depleted missile force #checkmate
"iacta alea est" (the die is cast) ~ Julius Caesar "Jedenfalls bin ich überzeugt, daß der Kriegsgott nicht würfelt." ("I, at any rate, am convinced that the wargod does not throw dice" ~ Albert Einstein
@@FrederickTheGrt China would be a fool to send Nukes, they only hurt themselves. There will be a US nuclear sub somewhere in the ocean far away that will launch missiles and remove Beijing in a matter of minutes. Nobody is going to win. They know this, they have allot to lose unlike Russia.
Lmao, this was soo bad of prediction. You really think they are only gonna kill 10k in a first strike. First strike would encompass every us vessel they are aware of not just the 2 that are close.
@@cartrack730 and 30% of their total trade is with China. So China is going to take over its own shipping lanes, in seas that the US long ago agreed (in 1971) to recognize as Chinese, and blockade trade with Australia. I'm sure this logic is as good as the logic that Iraqis would welcome American infidel overlords with pork chops and six packs.
the audio mixing on this video is SO SCUFFED
It’s Dolby Atmos 😂
I would love to see a wargame simulation utilizing two AI systems with all relevant data made available to them. 🧐
Watch the movie War game.
@@Bewefau Thank you, I'm very aware of this movie. However, this was a “Hollywood” production, and not based on reality.
Wargaming and AI. What would occur using current-day technologies?
It would be fascinating to witness a wargame simulation utilizing two or three equivalent AI systems with all relevant data made available to them.
I'm thinking along the lines of two to three (or even more?) different yet equally powerful AI systems, given read-only access to the WWW, a one-year settling time to acquire and process all relevant and accessible data, and then provide a date, or short window of time, for a declaration of hostilities.
1. Assign one AI to each nuclear power, or nation directly involved in the hostilities (i.e. America, China, Russia, Great Britain, Israel, etc.).
2. As an additional charter, require that they determine a winning solution that minimizes civilian casualties.
3. Further, allow the differing AI’s to choose, and even form alliances, or negotiate.
Which system would win, and what would that end scenario look like? They could do several; one with nuclear weapons, one without, or even use biological deterrence. It would be very interesting I think, and I'd be willing to bet many first-world military powers are already doing this.
@@w0mblemania Agreed. The term GIGO (garbage in garbage out) still applies in this day and age.
Have you seen the video of the ai being told to remove the beans from the image of toast? thats probably how wrll the ai would do
@@ilikechicken5524 can you please send the link?
when they gonna release the board game?
😂😂😂😂😂
It’s just a reskinned game of Risk
@@ZetaMoolah except when a neocon with a PhD is playing it, suddenly it's worth a $100k report paid by the US taxpayer.
no it's not risk is a commercial stupid simple boardgame, these are more complex and complicated realistic simulations.@@ZetaMoolah
they aren't it is a professional wargame not a commercial wargame.
Psychopaths and sociopaths rule this world.
Primarily in the west - particularly in DC and City of London.
It sounds like envy, control your emotions, fears and desires and you can share the world with them
@@erikmielke9008 Why would I envy satanic pedophiles?
This is a very childlike assessment
B-2 + 10 on stealth rolls
F-35 + 4 dexterity rolls + 4 damage
A-10 + 5 on Constitution rolls
Chinook + 3 on strength rolls and carrying capacity
D20 dice for wargaming.
Can I come play ???
China
Hypersonic carrier killer cruise missile +100 on die roll
Hypersonic and 1000s of cruise long range precision missiles land attack missiles +100
Logistics advantage +200
Industrial Production capacity and potential +500
Morale and motivation military personal of defender of motherland vs expeditionary army fighting war on the other side of world +200
A clear strategy to win vs no reasonable strategic objective of USA +1000 - prevent Taiwan independence vs ??
My, my... that's a lot of rules and dice rolls per turn
All these people in comments must have never read up on the accuracy of wargames in determining future events. They did the same simulation styles for Vietnam war and then the results happened in real life.
Thats why they lost in Vietnam?
@@user-od4yl3rf4nyes.
@@user-od4yl3rf4n They lost for a number of reasons, the military wargames simulations just showed the plausible outcomes. But they kept on going despite the predictions made by the wargames.
@@Cole-T
the usa didnt really lose they gave up becausee of the anger of the plublic.
@@Dwight_ Cope
You know, it's always amazes me that you can simulate how a war would play out with a board game, all the way back to 19th century.
They could make some good money selling that wargame. My playgroup would try it at least once.
Go back to playing uno,none of you even have a clue about serious wargames...Your minatures are green army men and a guy going bang bang .
@@johnricci294 But is funny when explosive rock goes Ka-piAHHH
(explosive rock is known as fire cracked)
At the end of the game he employed the Wizard spell, which doubled the loss to the Chinese to 10, 000. I have the same edition of the D&D game they were playing.
You mean the European theater Ukraine version?
Totally biased simulation
Those 3 week death tolls, in their board game, are what occurs in the first hour of reality.
Millions will die and before it's all said and done. Billions
Totally unrealistic, run with dungeons and dragons dice 😂. Get an AI program to do it now. Besides it’s a war which will never happen, China will just blockade Taiwan and it’ll run out of fuel in months. US and NATO don’t even have troops in Ukraine. They’re not going to fight China. It’ll just be sanctions.
ok
What system are they using? And where can I get it
Still running D&D 3rd edition.
Facinating /worrying , Do you know the company who does this wargame , i would love a copy.
This was really enjoyable for my right ear.
Who screwed up the audio?
I honestly wanna play this game we're can i get it?
2:15 - Given the history of America's typical "proportionate response" after getting hit with sneak attacks, this math checks out.
Except they won't be "retaliating" against goat hearders this time.
@@GenghisX999oh you're just bored you commenting with extreme bias on every comment. Makes sense now
@@jonmmath Vs the excited gamer morons beating the war drums with no understanding of real world.
This is not an “if,” but “when” this war will happen
Yea it’s coming, and not in the hypothetical sense. Every person I talk to says they feel it’s coming.
if no one wants war, then amerikkkans should just gtfo of asia
@@extremeencounter7458 every person??? I just asked my wife and she had no clue what I was talking about.
@@tonymedina922 You must’ve missed the *”I* talk to” after the “every person” part, be literate next time. Also, it’d be better to reference someone who pays attention.
Only if you roll a double six, otherwise it's not happening.
This NEEDED TO BE LONGER LOL
And twice as dramatic on those rolls of irrelevancy 😂
I feel like the US military recruiting zero competent recruits (and kicking good people out) is weighting our dice a little bit.
They're begging those who were kicked out for no vaccines to return. Ha ha ha!
Mhs genesis is not helping recruitment either
who mixed the audio for this LOL
They can cook up any report for a modest consult fee.
Be sure the invoice to the Pentagram for paperboard, wooden chips and dices "wargame" was for at a minimum modest $300 million. Then the "consultant to play was another $600 million because they are "experts".
I wanna learn how to play this.
Axis and allies on steroids.
this was too simplistic.
No, not really. They just needed to roll two 7s in a row and the Chinese would have been able to fight off the American forces. They couldn't do that. They lost fair and square. This just proves America will win the war .
That’s in all accordance that we all play nice and play according to the game
Where can i buy the game?
I would love to be in that room :)
They did this in the backroom of a comic book shop. The shop was hosting it.
Unironicaly seems like a fun board game, pls tell me they sell it so i can play it with freinds.
They also said Ukraine would win against Russia.
Well, as one good person once said
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-Jontron
What's this groups past prediction on USA vs Russia. That should be the first methodological question asked before taking anything they say seriously.
russians would nuke america. chinese have a no first use policy on nukes. Meaning this war could actually happen with both the USA and China agreeing not to use nuclear weapons.
Ive always heard of them playing wargames, but never pictured them on a board rolling dice lol. Not sure what i was expecting
You need better sound engineers. The quality of this videos audio is horrible.
US,Australia,Japan & Philippine 😮
China alone?
Russia,North Korea,Iran 😊
Nuclear heads?
US, UK, Australia, Japan, France, Germany
Vs
China
Since China didnt helped Russia against Nato supported Ukraine
I doubt Russia will support China against taiwan
@@imsusanov2287 To say China didn't help Russia is like saying USA did not help Ukraine as no US troops or F35 bombed Russia. Back to your video game. Sorry to interrupt.
"All we do is win......win....win"
The Hollywood movie never ends just keep the sequels rolling.
those numbers 1-20 on 5 dices, are not random, coz the results always the same.
Woulda been good if u could hear his voice over the background music
Department of defense board game purchased from the half off shelf at your local Walmart store
Looks precisely like the war board game of the Imperial Japan right before attacking Pearl Harbor.
Oh wow could you link to it?
I wanna buy this boardgame
bars and nobles has the D and D addition.
Even the general said war will start in 2 years
Really wish I could have that board game...
Playing dungeons and dragons then calling it a simulation 😂
You would be suprised how accurate D&D Navy addition can be.
How do you think computer simed war games are run......it's all based on probability of outcome....or let me put it basic terms you'll understand. Math.
These guys are smarter than you and serve their country better than you
Too bad these games aren't available to the public
The conclusion in the end is completely nonsense. They need to have someone who understands the Chinese to participate. Losing 10000 men meaning that the Chinese will be humiliated is a joke.
💯 true.
China will attack with millions of men. Not thousands. Their population size is huge 4 times that of US. They will overwhelm Taiwan and Japan. This war is already lost.
They also forgot that russia and china has bases in south america. And the space tech , cyber tech which can drop bombs on american countries.This guy is wack-o he doesn't understand the tech right now. America relies on space GPS to target its enermies. US never had to face a Russia or China before which is superior to them in outer space. Instead they hit 3rd world countries and bully them around, even with afgan, iran and vietnam, beat them with bamboo sticks and pitch forks. Get real us, you are not as tough as you think you are anymore.
Agreed
frankly speaking, china would indeed feel humiliated, but that would not be the end of the war.
Didn't know you can establish a 'Centre of Strategic Studies' by inventing a board game.
Duh, it's just a war game club for neocons.
If you're a black homie in da hood, you don't get paid for doing this. If you're a white professional bullshxxer in DC, you get paid six digits to play games like this.
By studying the country and their war tactics, military base locations, personnel and equipment present, fleets, and also studying how the us fights wars, the fleet and personnel present in that area and by knowing how each country fights you would try to simulate that in the board, using each countries tactics and the ships and stuff they have being used as a playing piece
Mr Ammar you must be a smart man, why don’t you create a military simulator that can host millions of invidual moveable pieces that can be controlled by humans or players. Then accurately recreate every single tank/aircraft/boat that can even remotely be used for military operations and predict the future!
I’m sure you could do it! After all we are better than a simple board game!
CSIS has been around since the early 60s. They didn't invent that board game. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
At this point in civilization... Maybe war should be nattled by probability and statistics along with at furthest VR battles to preserve military troop bodies. I think we have advanced as a civilization to the point conventional battles just wont work eventually. Just high cost and lost lives for very little reward.
So two US carriers rush to Guam to die?
RIght, like ??? It doesn't even say how they are destroyed/damaged, DF-21 from onshore launchers? A chinese sub? Chinese vessels?
@@johnbean9797 Hey at the rate we rebuild,we will get them back 13 yrs later -lol
Real life is not determined by rolling a D20 like in Dungeons & Dragons !!!!
You say that but you will feel foolish when Xi rolls a nat 20 on a charisma check, and convinces the Americans to leave.
TAIWAN Men must step up
Like Ukraine has ,,,📢
The government out here playing real life d&d
For anyone wondering: Yes, wargaming can be very accurate. they're not insane at all for doing this in fact wargaming has been done since the dawn of warfare.
Yes you can play wargames. you have to decide on an era and then on a specific rulebook to learn and use for your game. you'll need tokens or miniatures to represent units and a map for the scale of wargame you want. also friends, friends are important for this.
Bruh this isnt wargaming its propaganda lol
This is why I’m staying away from the military.
In other words your a coward who lets others win his freedom...Yellow Beret correct?
Rolling dice and get the outcome ?
A war between the USA and China would involve intense naval, air, cyber, and space battles, with significant economic disruptions and global instability. Both nations would suffer heavy military and civilian losses, and the conflict would likely end in a stalemate due to mutually assured destruction and international diplomatic pressure. No clear victor would emerge, underscoring the need for diplomatic solutions to avoid such a catastrophic outcome.
bro I want this game
They only know because they plan it themselves and then take credit. Not really difficult to predict when you are on the know how.
*in fine print: for entertainment purposes only*
An Excel spreadsheet and some dice? Who knew military strategy was so complex?!!!
as a wargamer ... thats just Tuesday to me lol
Hope they on good money , how did they know bout COVID then
Roles a 1
:I'd like to personally welcome our chinese overlords.
The "instagram influencers from Taipei" supply must be safeguarded at any cost.
As a millennial I’d like to not see WW3 in my lifetime
All you have to do is play Civ 6, get to the endgame, and realize war is pointless.
As much as i respect the group. These figures are way too low in some areas and way to high in others. I think they missed key sections of the war
We all stood by as china took hong Kong this is why they feel they can take more
Yeah they just predicted it all right not like they knew it was gonna be used as a weapon
A board game is actually a good way to think about this.
Rolling a dice and getting random combinations would be realistic in the sense that a war can go ANY way.
If you keep getting unlucky with the dice rolls, then you gotta make due with what ya got. You won't always have a fleet of destroyers at your disposal. 3 3 24
Here we go！ The board game week！ here goes the 200 years of history. 😂
I want to play this game.
It will get serious when they start playing BINGO.
😅
Literally another Vietnam
I would be kicked for playing this again and again.
Are they trying to dictate how war likes to happens
Now do US vs US in a Civil War.
Was made 30 years ago,Called Invasion America by SPI
I'm assuming you don't have a rule set for China's severe corruption or low quality Equipment or America's Ultra woke military you overestimate both of them
They should get Matt Mercer to DM
Let these old people go to their war and let the younger people live their life
Wtf what if you roll a 1
roll again, duh! That's how they predicted victory in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen...
😡 Well now!......I AM SUPER UPSET at the fact that no one told me you could actually have a career playing board games or strategy simulators!!!? Because 😶😉.....I would like to play as well! Where do I sign up? I mean this has to be not only related to militarh defense, planning, operations, preparedness but also many things! I bet the board game is realistic and takes into account factors such as a destroyers range, radar capabilities, air defense systems etc? I am imagining what It is really like now well let me play too! I want to take a serious crack at it too!
China is not sinking our carriers. Their top speed is classified for a reason
they can go super sonic?
Even if they got 2 of them, which is a huge ask. They will be trying to deal with another 5-7 of them a few days afterwards. This time with a vastly depleted missile force #checkmate
how many missile will it take to sink an US aircraft carrier?@@aaron1029791
@@aaron1029791 You think losing about 10k sailors would not make the woke liberals go crazy...
"iacta alea est" (the die is cast) ~ Julius Caesar
"Jedenfalls bin ich überzeugt, daß der Kriegsgott nicht würfelt." ("I, at any rate, am convinced that the wargod does not throw dice" ~ Albert Einstein
what about nukes ? Could they use them ?
Yes but that’s later in the war
War happens for awhile before that one goes down.
The game doesn't have nukes, so nukes won't be used in real life. The game has spells, so Wizard spells can be employed.
@@FrederickTheGrt China would be a fool to send Nukes, they only hurt themselves. There will be a US nuclear sub somewhere in the ocean far away that will launch missiles and remove Beijing in a matter of minutes. Nobody is going to win. They know this, they have allot to lose unlike Russia.
No such thing as nukes
I think we need a base in Japan.
US has several bases in Japan already
Lmao, this was soo bad of prediction. You really think they are only gonna kill 10k in a first strike. First strike would encompass every us vessel they are aware of not just the 2 that are close.
Give ma a brick you guy/gals are literally roiling a dice and call it a study/simulation! Are we suppose to take these findings seriously!
Why do you want a brick?
oh what you want an actual war to happen so we can see the results?
@@cooldude-mi9wz No I want people to realized that this is propaganda to push a political agenda. Namely we need more weapons from the arms industry.
@@cartrack730 😂😂😂
Japan and australia should stop being alied with a warmmonger.
"A war game" you said.…..enjoy your fiction victory well not back to reality facts...
Google translate did no justice for you here
😂 you have got to be kidding me if this is how they truly stimulate war then I'm moving to china and taking My chances there
Wargame has been used all the way back to 19th century, what are you talking about ?
I can maybe understand Japan and Philipines to join the war? But Australia?? I mean wtf...they are so far away... whats their reason to send soldiers?
They rely on 100% trade. Shipping lanes would be taken over. They would starve just as Japan would.
we are not far away from the south china sea, it’s our backyard
@@cartrack730 and 30% of their total trade is with China. So China is going to take over its own shipping lanes, in seas that the US long ago agreed (in 1971) to recognize as Chinese, and blockade trade with Australia. I'm sure this logic is as good as the logic that Iraqis would welcome American infidel overlords with pork chops and six packs.
Usa tells its bitches to fight, they will fight. U need a reason?😂
Australia is part of Oceania
They playing Risk
Nah it's not true war is not war game
Chinese play mahjong
Remember pearl harbor
That’s really sociopathic
Well that’s the Pink Pale mans nature.
Sorry china is smarter than that.
Poo Bear has zero chance of winning vs most of the world!!!
According to the pentagon China already has much better weapons and higher technology than us USA,game over for us and for orange guy and sleepy Joe.
A Ukraine the poorest country in Europe Ukraine using basic limited donated older weapons from a handful of nations
What kind of 🎲 is that ?i want it tattoos in my right 💪
This is a bored game not real war so all of it is false
Pfft their miniatures and terrain are weak.
Serious !!!
Hubris 😢
0:29 yup...-😇✌