This is off topic but recently I ran across an abandoned cemetery in Arizona. (Floy / Plenty Cemetery in Apache County) While researching some of the residents I ran across a familiar photo. At first I didn't recognize it but knew it was very familiar. It was a man on horseback, outside a large building. It took a minute or so to realize that the building was the Lincoln County Courthouse! Turns out the guy in the grave (also the one in the photo) served two terms as the Lincoln County Sheriff! It's not right that these graves are forgotten / abandoned, so I promised myself that I'll maintain them as long as I'm able. Hopefully someone else will take over when I'm gone.
This is riveting to watch. Unfortunately what makes this investigation much harder is the bureaucracy, and the politics that surround the Billy investigation. I do think though we are as close as we have ever been and if we stay patient the big answer we have all been searching for for many years could soon be upon us. Thank you to all the historians, genealogists investigators writers editors film/ documentary makers who make it easier for the likes of myself, just a Billy enthusiast who has for many years fed off these people for a lot of what I have learnt about Billy. Michael this is a great channel thank you so much.
My name is Thomas Kerrigan. I am on Ancestry DNA. I have McCarty, Garrett and Stone cousins in the DNA. I do not have any Antrum or Antrim cousins. I live in North East Louisiana where my ancestors since the Civil War have lived. Pat Garrett was raised in Claiborne Parish. But I am not researching Billy The Kid right now because I am obsessed with finding my connection to Jesse Woodson James. My DNA matches start at his father's parents and his mother's grandparents. I have DNA matches for all 8 of his great grandparents.
@@BrushyBill-eo5og I am pulling all kind of stuff up from researching my DNA. Tensas Parish before the war. JP Murchison was the census taker. He was my great great grandfather's neighbor. Census takers were marshals. Murchison then became a Confederate soldier. Thomas Byrd Kempe lived on the other side of my great great grandfather. He was the uncle-in-law of President Jefferson Davis. The Farrer family were Kempe descendants and they lived below my great great grandfather. J G James lived above them. President Jefferson Davis lived approximately 10 miles from them on Jefferson Davis Island. On the map my grandfather was listed as M Kerrigan. On the census Murchison puts him down as M Carrigan. M Carrigan was a Confederate spy. Spies don't live under there true names. The stories of Jesse and J Frank Dalton being around here are abundant. And he was a spy. So I took the DNA test. It was him. Jesse James was J Frank Dalton. I am on Facebook. Thomas Kerrigan. My Ancestry DNA results are at the top of my page. 44 pages of cousins who are descendants of the ancestors to Jesse Woodson James. But there are no descendants of Jesse Woodson James that was shot in the back of the head. I will be a cousin to anyone who is related to Jesse Woodson James if that person's descendants takes the Ancestry DNA test. And I do believe Billy and Jesse were related.
I forgot to mention, after a flood had destroyed the property on my map and everyone had moved, the Kempes bought up the abandoned properties. In 1879 Jesse and the gang robbed 2 establishments in Mississippi. 2 were dead. They needed a place to hide and recover. He took them to a place he was familiar with, his old property, the abandoned Kempe Plantation. He was the outlaw known as Jesse James and the outlaw known as Jesse James was J Frank Dalton.
@@MankindMediaLLC the proof is with my ancestors and family. There are photos and memorabilia that will never be made public, we all took an oath on that. I live in Capitan and have family spread out through Lincoln County.
Thank you James for all the research! The nephew's photo is a little haunting to me. Hooded eyelids, the eyebrows, the teeth for sure, and the EARS! Both Joseph and this kid have the same look. This is so exciting! I am really tired of the Brushy baloney! LOL I look forward to all the new information that comes to light! Thanks Michael !
When the notification showed up on my cellphone about a breakthrough on Billy the Kid DNA, I was hoping that at long last, this video was going to state that the authorities keeping the public from examining the Billy the Kid DNA evidence finally decided to go ahead with it, but I was a little disappointed at hearing that this is not the case. Thanks for all your efforts, anyway. I can see how it can be frustrating when your interest exceeds the family's willingness to cooperate with your requests for information, but I frankly do not understand their reticence. It seems odd that people who have no familial connections to Billy want to impersonate or want answers to questions about Billy, but those who could be related don't seem to care. I don't think we're ever going to get to the bottom of the Billy the Kid mystique--so many versions and theories about this and that, everyone having their own ideas about him that cause you to change your mind about him constantly. I have heard it said that no one can really obtain Billy's DNA because there was a flood which occurred in the same area where his body was buried along with several other bodies and that the bodies were re-buried in another location, and whether this is true or not, I don't know. I personally would like to go out to where it is claimed his body is now and use a shovel to do some digging around. I'll tell you one thing, if I happened to dig up a head (skull) with "squirrel teeth," I'll know it's his. I guess they called it squirrel teeth what we call buck teeth today. I give up. We are never going to know. We can send a man to the moon, but we cannot find out anything concrete about Billy the Kid.
What information?? I've been trying to find out if we have an answer and what that answer is for like 20 minutes reading random articles about the silly dispute. I just want to know, in one sentence, did Pat Garret actually kill him or did it turn out to be one of the others? I don't know which sheriff claims what from what town or anything, I don't care to know their names, just how Billy actually died. Do we know yet?? lol I've already spent 20 minutes reading articles that told me nothing at all and I just don't have time to invest in this 45 minute video either. If the verdict is still out then I wish headlines would just say that....sigh
Has anyone ever tried to contact living descendants of The regulators like doc scurlock's family and see if they passed down stories about what happened to Billy
Lets dig up Brushy and Billy. The whole Missouri connection fascinates me since there is a story Billy came from Missouri! This is a great find. The nephew does resemble Billy some to me also!
Brushy Bill was a hundred percent NOT Billy the Kid. Anyone who still believes his story are willfully ignoring all the facts that completely refute his claims. Like a lot of Billy the Kid fans I wish Brushy Bill was BTK, but the simple reality is he wasn't. People are often too interested in only entertaining any and all information that supports their own personal wants, desires and biases, and they completely ignore anything that might refute their beliefs.
@@Tom_Van_Zandt I wanted to believe Brushy was Billy but the story started looking suspicious. If it could happen exhume both graves and test the DNA is what I say.
@@navydogsadventures3500 Yes? What two graves? There is not 100 percent proof that it was the kid who was buried there. Also the flood and building contractor totally destroyed any hope of knowing.
Why can't they dig up Billy's mother's bones and get the DNA from their first off and then go to all those people that are claiming to be Billy the Kid's family members check their DNA with it? Also why can't they dig the bones up in Billy the Kid's grave? Just because they're saying there was a flood doesn't mean the bones were washed away. I dont understand any of this.😢
If an adopted name or misspelling of names can take you on a wild ride or a footprint to follow. I’ve thought of that myself, if he did live he would’ve had to change his name and live under the radar and if he did survive would he have stayed here or left, there is something about Billy the kid that captures our childhood and adulthood to search for the truth of mysteries. And I love researching this stuff too.
Great podcast !! You always seem to get amazing guests With enlightning stories it was always my belief josey never had children and was only married about a year due to his drinking and unemployment but hey if this turns out that josey had a son and his granchildren are available this could be a gamechanger in the world of billy bonney !! Im pumped up with your new developments
@@debraanchante3661 Semi-related...six times removed most likely, as we all are:) I'd still like to know what happened to his son the chicketa was dressing up like a girl to help throw people off, as related by some on the Hispanic side.
@@debraanchante3661 I was joking Debra in reference to us all being at least familiar with everyone else just six times removed:) Can't help but wonder though:()
Billy's younger brother also took the name Antrim when their mother married William Antrim in 1873. They were both biological sons of Patrick and Catherine McCarty, so if this was Billy's brother Joe, then their DNA would match.
1) Claudes son sure resembles Billy 2) I understood Billy's body floated away along with the Maxwell house. Reburied? 3) Wasn't Brigett Billy's older sister? 4) My Dad's Uncle Juan Widner married a woman named Petra Coleman. Petra's grandfather was Patricio Coleman who had a small farm in Rodey, NM in the mid-1800s that Billy worked on for a short time as a ranch hand. 5) Another man who was related to Chavez y Chavez said Billy had an illegitimate son by the name of Pat/Patrick.
Interesting note. In the movie Jesse James Vs The Black Train, the James gang goes to the Kimbell Plantation. It was in Claiborne Parish, Pat Garrett territory. If you Google the Kimbell Plantation in Claiborne Parish Louisiana you can learn the history of the Kimbell Plantation.
I believe this is true within my own family genealogy, the same names and years. I would love to work with y’all. So when I get off work you may see my name again lol
Michael, all I can say is WOW! The picture of Claude certainly has a strong resemblance to the picture of Joe. And the pictrue of Claude's son, case closed!! I was in Tombstone a couple of years ago and in our motel's front desk there was a picture of Ike Clanton next to a picture of his great, great grandson, and they looked nearly identical. So it can happen.
This is so cool! Great research James, and Susan Stevenson. Just finished reading (historian William A. Keleher's books) He also had Joe as a gambler hanging out with Chinese... smoking opium! (Never heard that before) and Joe teaches Billy how to gamble. Interesting none of the Antrims want to speak to James? Yeah... Claude's son has a strong resembalance to Billy. A great find James and great interview MAG! ❤🤠
A huge part of the reason why New Mexico will never let Billy's body be exhumed is that, once it's proven that it is, in fact, his body that is buried in that grave, a lot of what makes up the myth and legend of Billy the Kid will forever be erased, which would hurt tourism in that area of New Mexico. Obviously there would be people who would disregard the facts and evidence, but I really think it would affect a lot of people and cause them to all but lose interest in BTK. New Mexico can ill afford to lose the revenue that BTK brings in annually.
I can agree with you on that I think it's almost the same way as John Dillinger public enemy number One. They was supposed to dig John Dillinger's grave up in 2019 and do a History channel show with it but never did. And now they're supposed to be getting blood DNA off the pants say he was wearing the night that he was shot to come out with another video the video is supposed to be released in mid July but is not come out yet I wonder if a lot of us to do with money
I doubt it will have any impact either way. Most of us are fascinated with the history, & while rewriting part of it might hurt, deep down, we all want the truth. We live on a ranch near Monument Valley, AZ so we aren't that far from BTK's favorite spots. Regardless of what facts come up, I'll be visiting soon, then return on occasion. Winter is coming so it will provide a good break when I can't get any work done.
I imagine to be associated with Billy if he did survive they are protecting him. Really a lot to consider. This is why I want to be a researcher for Parabon with Cici
The body had dark skin and a beard. END OF !!!! I have a hard time listening to anyone who believes the kid was staining his skin, especially back then and was suddenly capable of growing a beard.
Yeah, I've read about that too. After 50 -70 years, even the slats begin to rot away. The only difference is if it is a very calcareous soil, the skeleton can survive forever.
If it’s ever allowed that the body of billy could be exhumed I think it would be great to hire someone that has no clue who billy the kid is and do a reconstruction of the skull to see if it look’s like billy. What do you think? If they can’t pull the DNA I think it would be a good idea. You would think looking at the skull if all the teeth are there because billy had buck teeth that he would be recognized. 🤷♀️🤷♀️ just my thought’s.
Billy was screwed by the corrupt law in NM. Gov Wallace pardoned him but the sherrifs didn’t honour it. Regardless if Brushy Bill was him he should have been pardoned again as he already was.
@@MankindMediaLLC Yes He did, Wallace was in the court room making sure Billy testified as promised, when he did Wallace told the sheriff to let Billy go then Wallace left. The sheriff didn't honor the pardon.
@@lukeoconnor3877 You must be thinking of Young Guns or something. That's a movie. It never happened.....Wallace wasn't even in NM any longer when the trail went on.
@@MankindMediaLLC czcams.com/video/ztuIfFbixQs/video.htmlsi=9eZehMAH6EVFA_Pp At about 46 minutes in he explains that Lew Wallace went to the trial. It’s a good listen
What about talking to the Mexican families that have history of Billy’s life. Maybe be some direct descendants of Billy’s? If Brushy’s story has any credence he was not Kathleen Antrims son?
sadly i dont believe anyone will ever be able to locate Billys remains, now maybe if there was a way to obtain his moms DNA and maybe Brushys then that would at least put that story to rest
@@MankindMediaLLC It wouldn't fly under today's standards. You'd have to take the body to the county coroner to be examined, then identified and declared to be deceased and by what cause. There's no body to examine, so we have the word of Pat Garrett who had already shot a couple of people because he thought they were Billy. You see why that's a problem, and why we need coroners? Throw in some sworn affidavits by witnesses claiming Billy wasn't dead and you have some legitimate challenges to Pat Garrett's claims. Wasn't Garrett himself a criminal and cattle rustler before becoming sheriff? He was also a man with excessive drinking and gambling debts. Guys like that aren't trusted to have security clearances today because they are more likely to commit theft or treason. He had motive to lie in order to collect the bounty. As for Brushy Bill, he's just a guy with a story until someone can prove otherwise.
I am convinced the outlaw known as Jesse James was William Michael Carrigan, the younger brother of Confederate Lt. Colonial and judge Alfred Holt Carrigan. Thomas Carrigan took the body of Jesse Woodson James to Mt. Olivet Cemetery in 1902 for proper burial. That was Charlie Bigelow who was shot in the back of the head, not the outlaw known as Jesse James. Judge Alfred Holt is in a newspaper clipping stating the James brothers robbed no banks in Missouri. William Michael Carrigan reportedly died in 1864, but later married Sarah Ann Farrington/Ferrington, a cousin to Jesse Woodson James, and in 1868 she gave birth to my great grandfather Michael William Kerrigan. I took the Ancestry DNA test and I have the DNA matches for all his ancestors. His older brother, Lt. Colonial Alfred Holt Carrigan, has black descendants named Adams who also took the Ancestry DNA test and we match. I also ran a DNA test on Jesse Woodson James and I have matches for his grandparents on his dad's side and all 8 of his great grandparents on both sides of his family.
@@lostamericanhistory2536 Thomas Carrigan, the man with the same name as mine but spelled differently, took the body that is believed to be the body of Jesse James to the Mount Olivet Cemetery in 1902. That is when the body of Charlie Bigelow was swapped with someone closely related to the outlaw known as Jesse James.
Great podcast ! However, the feeling is that Joe was only the stepfather of Claude Stone. Should Joe and Jenny wait 3 years after having children before getting married? But surely there are other tracks? Have read somewhere that Billy had an older sister, Bridget McCarthy? Of course you should continue on the trail of Claude Stone Antrim and get DNA from his living relatives! Did Patrick McCarty have any brothers or sisters? Did Chatrine McCarty have any brothers or sisters? Feel like you are getting CLOSE now!!! Thank you for your enormous commitment to Billy The Kid! / Nichlas Janze
Brushy bill roberts was billy watch "brushy bill roberts in his own words the Lincoln County war and billy the kid saga debunked" listen carefully he goes into so much detail that only billy would know proves alot of historians wrong
Not one thing that Brushy knew was secret, or unpublished at the time of his "story". Most of what he learned (and got completely wrong) was from Burns' "The Saga of Billy the Kid" published in 1926. Don't take my word for it.....read that book, and read whatever Brushy supposedly said in his interviews and match them up. Also, ask the powers that be why we can't hear Brushy's interviews with Morrison after 70 years? Not one soul has heard them in all that time....all we have is what Morrison said that Brushy said.....why not let us hear the man in his own words?
@@MankindMediaLLC a long time ago there was a video of brushy in his living room with his shirt off describing the wounds and they are a match to what was reported that billy had I saw it along time ago it's been taken down I can't find it anywhere historians and authors don't like being proved wrong brushy was billy
@@jason686361able As noted...you can believe anything you like. Billy was only reported to be shot in the thigh during his lifetime.....no other wounds. I'm unsure what else you would match 26 scars to, but it's not wounds documented to be on Billy the Kid. Also as noted, your questions about Brushy being Billy are about to be answered. I can't tell you what's been shared with me (yet), but soon I will. Have a great night.
@@MankindMediaLLC he was shot in the thigh he was shot between the shoulder and heart and had been stabbed and the most famous shot by the sawed off from garret pieces of buckshot hit his chin and billy Barlow took the damage that killed him it's even said the John W Poe told garret this is not billy
Hate to keep harping on Sam's "Pat Garret & Billy the Kid", but if I understood you correctly you said you've never watched the complete movie, this movie was originally cut at 160 minutes by Sam, the studio cut it to 106 then later the so called Directors cut was released in 1998 at 124 minutes, I think the movie was a masterpiece at 124 minutes, and could only imagine what the other 40 minutes they cut had in it??? The movie was pretty much a failure and initially lost a lot of money, pretty much universally hated by every one including the actors that were in it at 106 minutes, they said it destroyed Sam's vision, Now it's number 126 on the top 500 movies ever, Sam's original 160 minute cut is MIA, I read an article years years ago that a lot of the "back ground" of the Lincoln County Wars & Billy & Pat's earlier relationship were what was cut. It is by far my all time favorite western & I was familiar with the story so that helped, but it wouldn't be nearly as good someone who wasn't. I'd give almost anything if his 160 minute version would pop up somewhere & get released. One fault some found with the movie is at age 36 Kriss was too old to play Billy, personally I think he knocked the part way out of the park.
Please please forgive me for thinking this, but the first thing that came to my mind was “bull“! I mean no disrespect, but it seems like only a short time ago those who did not want Billy dug up claimed that getting his DNA would be next to impossible. Hey if I’m wrong I’m wrong and if this is true this to me is like finding Elvis hanging out in my living room! Thank you for doing all this research and hard work! This is really really big! To confirm this DNA wouldn’t it now be worth it to exhume Billy’s grave?
No...I don't think that's the case. I think what Josh said/meant is that it wouldn't be necessary based upon some projects going on right now. That's about all I can say.....but the next 6-12 months are going to tell the tale.
@@MankindMediaLLC So we don't have an answer yet? I just am trying to find out if we even do, I don't have time to read all of those 20 minute long articles and then watch a 45 minute video. Sounds like you're saying here is "we don't know yet". I wish headlines would just fin say that...
@@JustinOhio You want answers that are not mine to give. You want me to spill the info on people who have spent countless hours and tons of money to solve this once and for all. Your need for "headlines" doesn't trump the fact that when I give someone my word that I won't divulge their findings...I keep it. Sorry....you'll just have to wait.
@@MankindMediaLLC I did not watch your video, I have no knowledge of what you already know. If the official word is not out then I wish articles or even headlines would simply just say that. I was basically writing to say that I don't even know and cannot tell from any article whether or not we even have an official answer yet. But your response told me what I needed to know so thank you for that. I don't *want* you to do anything. Total misunderstanding here....
if this guy is a half brother only one same parent, they dont have to look alike...me and my brother same mom different dad look nothing alike..also wouldnt the DNA only be partial coming from only one side of Billys family?
Fred Nolan disputed that it was Billy and Joe before he died, at the wedding. He suggested that Josie was Catherine's sister and that they both may have been Confederate spies KGC stuff.
This looks and sounds too tantalizing not to pursue it to the end. Excellent work, James and Susan. I may be too optimistic but I am seeing similarities to BTK in the young Antrim pictured. I say keep trying to engage the family members! Someone will be interested eventually.
My grandkids teeth stick out like that and they're not related to Billy the Kid. How many people in the world have that kind of teeth come on give me a break
I just posted a comment explaining why this will never happen...Now I'm just an average guy in his mid 40's from Oklahoma, so this is in no way based on any facts or inside information; it's just my own personal, but educated, opinion...here it is: A huge part of the reason why New Mexico will never let Billy's body be exhumed is that, once it's proven that it is, in fact, his body that is buried in that grave, a lot of what makes up the myth and legend of Billy the Kid will forever be erased, which would hurt tourism in that area of New Mexico. Obviously there would be people who would disregard the facts and evidence, but I really think it would affect a lot of people and cause them to all but lose interest in BTK. BTK's fans love the romantic notion that he somehow managed to escape certain death one last time, and then rode off into American history, forever. Once that legend is 100% dispelled, I believe people would no longer see BTK as an American folk hero, but just a young kid who shot down several people in cold blood and then met his fate in Ft. Sumner. It's that ambiguity of "did he, or didn't he" that people love to cling to. Either way, New Mexico can ill afford to lose the revenue that BTK brings in annually.
@@Tom_Van_Zandt I respect your opinion, but I don't think it would affect his legend or interest in him one bit. I 100% believe he's buried in Fort Sumner. I have no interest in the conspiracy theories.
I think it’s a small possibility. Right now there’s no win for Sumner if they do since history says he’s there. If there’s a way that the community benefits with minimal risk, you just never know what the decision would be.
I hate being that guy, but a smell of another Brushy Bill story is here. Antrim himself took his step fathers name, not his real fathers which was McCarty. MAG while we are on this genealogy part, I ponder if any modern day historian pays attention they list whose Billy Father is.. He’s laid to rest in Nashville, having died during the civil war. Crazy I have to be the one to mention this, His wife’s name and family are listed as well. Even as far back as the civil war: and the revolutionary, one would place their religion, fathers and mothers name and any children. Furthermore as they didn’t immediately go to war being handed a weapon he’d be assigned a unit, one can even trace the major engagements he was involved in. As he dies on or is laid to rest 25th March 1865, he would have fell at nearly the end of the war. Even worse the date on his headstone is the start of the end of the reb’s surrendering. One last thing, his father was Irish born in Ireland as well as his wife. He was a Christian as the tombstone that was replaced the other being so detonated, they made sure to place the white cross upon it. Which means he even went as far as recording at his enlistment a Christianity lifestyle.
Why don't you check that rifle if it is legit Billy's rifle? Professionals break it down,pull the stock.there is bound to be Billy's blood on it somewhere. If it's been in battlefield it's got some dried blood somewhere on it. You will have a promising DNA.
Michael, I am curious as to why you believe Billy the Kid was killed by Pat Garrett. What is the final bell that rang so loud you believe Pat Garrett’s Story, or do you? You said you don’t believe it happened like Pat said, so how do you believe it happened? What bell rang true for you and why? Do you not believe the evidence in support of Brushy Bill Roberts being Billy the Kid? I am 71 years old and I am telling you that Brushy Bill was definitely 20 years older than me at his death. HE DEFINITELY WAS 90/91 years old. The scars matching, the facial recognition, the hand writing analysis, his fluency in the Spanish Language, his height matching, his hands size and him manipulating the hand cuffs like Billy, the sworn testimonies of eye witnesses saying that THIS IS BILLY THE KID POSITIVELY. You will dismiss all this documentation for Pat Garretts word, when he’s a known liar! Billy wanted nothing but the pardon he was promised. You don’t believe the government would lie? You believe Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK, that Agent Orange does no harm to humans, that John Wilkes Booth was killed in that barn, that UFOS DONT EXIST.?? Really?
@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi first, I love your channel. I'm undecided on the topic just because I feel like we can resolve it all with DNA, but for many weak reasons those who defend the narrative don't want it. Everyone just eats to debate which is a waste of time. Either way, aside from DNA, is there anything that would change your mind on the topic ?
@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi yeah, is there any evidence (actual evidence) that could come to light that could sway your opinion? I personally don't think he was, but he is interesting so I try to stay open to the possibilities.
@@lostamericanhistory2536 Gosh...the can is kicked so far down the road, I'm not sure that there's anything at this point. I guess if there were an authenticated photo of The Kid from pre 1881 and it remotely looked anything like Brushy, I'd have to at least consider it.....but even then....
This is off topic but recently I ran across an abandoned cemetery in Arizona. (Floy / Plenty Cemetery in Apache County)
While researching some of the residents I ran across a familiar photo. At first I didn't recognize it but knew it was very familiar.
It was a man on horseback, outside a large building. It took a minute or so to realize that the building was the Lincoln County Courthouse!
Turns out the guy in the grave (also the one in the photo) served two terms as the Lincoln County Sheriff!
It's not right that these graves are forgotten / abandoned, so I promised myself that I'll maintain them as long as I'm able.
Hopefully someone else will take over when I'm gone.
It wood be so cool to go back in time to meet the kid
I think you would be disappointed
This is riveting to watch. Unfortunately what makes this investigation much harder is the bureaucracy, and the politics that surround the Billy investigation. I do think though we are as close as we have ever been and if we stay patient the big answer we have all been searching for for many years could soon be upon us. Thank you to all the historians, genealogists investigators writers editors film/ documentary makers who make it easier for the likes of myself, just a Billy enthusiast who has for many years fed off these people for a lot of what I have learnt about Billy. Michael this is a great channel thank you so much.
Thank you! Glad you’re here!
My name is Thomas Kerrigan. I am on Ancestry DNA. I have McCarty, Garrett and Stone cousins in the DNA. I do not have any Antrum or Antrim cousins. I live in North East Louisiana where my ancestors since the Civil War have lived. Pat Garrett was raised in Claiborne Parish. But I am not researching Billy The Kid right now because I am obsessed with finding my connection to Jesse Woodson James. My DNA matches start at his father's parents and his mother's grandparents. I have DNA matches for all 8 of his great grandparents.
Would your DNA therefore match Billy the Kids fathers if it could be obtained?
@@BrushyBill-eo5og I am pulling all kind of stuff up from researching my DNA. Tensas Parish before the war. JP Murchison was the census taker. He was my great great grandfather's neighbor. Census takers were marshals. Murchison then became a Confederate soldier. Thomas Byrd Kempe lived on the other side of my great great grandfather. He was the uncle-in-law of President Jefferson Davis. The Farrer family were Kempe descendants and they lived below my great great grandfather. J G James lived above them. President Jefferson Davis lived approximately 10 miles from them on Jefferson Davis Island. On the map my grandfather was listed as M Kerrigan. On the census Murchison puts him down as M Carrigan. M Carrigan was a Confederate spy. Spies don't live under there true names. The stories of Jesse and J Frank Dalton being around here are abundant. And he was a spy. So I took the DNA test. It was him. Jesse James was J Frank Dalton. I am on Facebook. Thomas Kerrigan. My Ancestry DNA results are at the top of my page. 44 pages of cousins who are descendants of the ancestors to Jesse Woodson James. But there are no descendants of Jesse Woodson James that was shot in the back of the head. I will be a cousin to anyone who is related to Jesse Woodson James if that person's descendants takes the Ancestry DNA test. And I do believe Billy and Jesse were related.
I forgot to mention, after a flood had destroyed the property on my map and everyone had moved, the Kempes bought up the abandoned properties. In 1879 Jesse and the gang robbed 2 establishments in Mississippi. 2 were dead. They needed a place to hide and recover. He took them to a place he was familiar with, his old property, the abandoned Kempe Plantation. He was the outlaw known as Jesse James and the outlaw known as Jesse James was J Frank Dalton.
I can't get over how much the picture of the nephew looks like my brother Bill when he was younger. It gives me chills.
Billy fathered a daughter with a distant cousin of mine in Picacho, NM. There is so much people don’t know.
I'm certain he fathered more than one child....but, where's the proof? That's the key question to be answered.
@@MankindMediaLLC the proof is with my ancestors and family. There are photos and memorabilia that will never be made public, we all took an oath on that. I live in Capitan and have family spread out through Lincoln County.
@@_DB.COOPER ok then.....nothing to see here.
@@MankindMediaLLC lots to tell, kind of like your story right, right….
@@_DB.COOPER Well if you took an oath, then there's nothing to tell. I can respect that....
The nephew photo is extremely interesting! I'd like to see the shoulders! The other features appear dead on.
Thank you James for all the research! The nephew's photo is a little haunting to me. Hooded eyelids, the eyebrows, the teeth for sure, and the EARS! Both Joseph and this kid have the same look. This is so exciting! I am really tired of the Brushy baloney! LOL I look forward to all the new information that comes to light! Thanks Michael !
I hate to say it but that picture of Joe antram resembles brush bill. Dammit
It does he is his cousin.
My first thought as well
Exactly
When the notification showed up on my cellphone about a breakthrough on Billy the Kid DNA, I was hoping that at long last, this video was going to state that the authorities keeping the public from examining the Billy the Kid DNA evidence finally decided to go ahead with it, but I was a little disappointed at hearing that this is not the case. Thanks for all your efforts, anyway. I can see how it can be frustrating when your interest exceeds the family's willingness to cooperate with your requests for information, but I frankly do not understand their reticence. It seems odd that people who have no familial connections to Billy want to impersonate or want answers to questions about Billy, but those who could be related don't seem to care. I don't think we're ever going to get to the bottom of the Billy the Kid mystique--so many versions and theories about this and that, everyone having their own ideas about him that cause you to change your mind about him constantly. I have heard it said that no one can really obtain Billy's DNA because there was a flood which occurred in the same area where his body was buried along with several other bodies and that the bodies were re-buried in another location, and whether this is true or not, I don't know. I personally would like to go out to where it is claimed his body is now and use a shovel to do some digging around. I'll tell you one thing, if I happened to dig up a head (skull) with "squirrel teeth," I'll know it's his. I guess they called it squirrel teeth what we call buck teeth today. I give up. We are never going to know. We can send a man to the moon, but we cannot find out anything concrete about Billy the Kid.
I think if you hang in for a bit longer you’ll get the answers you seek.
Great podcast, really interested in what’s to come with this new information.
What information?? I've been trying to find out if we have an answer and what that answer is for like 20 minutes reading random articles about the silly dispute. I just want to know, in one sentence, did Pat Garret actually kill him or did it turn out to be one of the others? I don't know which sheriff claims what from what town or anything, I don't care to know their names, just how Billy actually died. Do we know yet?? lol I've already spent 20 minutes reading articles that told me nothing at all and I just don't have time to invest in this 45 minute video either. If the verdict is still out then I wish headlines would just say that....sigh
Has anyone ever tried to contact living descendants of The regulators like doc scurlock's family and see if they passed down stories about what happened to Billy
DOC SCURLOCK'S Great Grandson SPEAKS! An interview with Scot Scurlock.
czcams.com/video/CWEXAJHj4Vo/video.html
Interesting! Hope to hear more.
Lets dig up Brushy and Billy. The whole Missouri connection fascinates me since there is a story Billy came from Missouri! This is a great find. The nephew does resemble Billy some to me also!
Brushy Bill was a hundred percent NOT Billy the Kid. Anyone who still believes his story are willfully ignoring all the facts that completely refute his claims. Like a lot of Billy the Kid fans I wish Brushy Bill was BTK, but the simple reality is he wasn't.
People are often too interested in only entertaining any and all information that supports their own personal wants, desires and biases, and they completely ignore anything that might refute their beliefs.
@@Tom_Van_Zandt I wanted to believe Brushy was Billy but the story started looking suspicious. If it could happen exhume both graves and test the DNA is what I say.
@@navydogsadventures3500 both graves?
@@capjim5903 yes
@@navydogsadventures3500
Yes?
What two graves?
There is not 100 percent proof that it was the kid who was buried there.
Also the flood and building contractor totally destroyed any hope of knowing.
Why can't they dig up Billy's mother's bones and get the DNA from their first off and then go to all those people that are claiming to be Billy the Kid's family members check their DNA with it? Also why can't they dig the bones up in Billy the Kid's grave? Just because they're saying there was a flood doesn't mean the bones were washed away. I dont understand any of this.😢
All of the answers to those questions are on this channel.
History is always rewritten
Billy took the name Antrim. It is possible there were two people named Joe Antrim.
Besides Young Guns, Old Henry is the best Billy the kid movie ever made.
Why?? I didnt think so.
@@user-bb3sg5yk5r it was different
Thanks
If an adopted name or misspelling of names can take you on a wild ride or a footprint to follow. I’ve thought of that myself, if he did live he would’ve had to change his name and live under the radar and if he did survive would he have stayed here or left, there is something about Billy the kid that captures our childhood and adulthood to search for the truth of mysteries. And I love researching this stuff too.
Wow. That kid's photo resembles a certain tin type I've seen 😳
Great podcast !! You always seem to get amazing guests With enlightning stories it was always my belief josey never had children and was only married about a year due to his drinking and unemployment but hey if this turns out that josey had a son and his granchildren are available this could be a gamechanger in the world of billy bonney !! Im pumped up with your new developments
Thank you my friend.
New to this but I'm leaning toward Brushy Bill Roberts.
Is brushy Bill related to you? Or just a coincidence that you have the same last name?
@@debraanchante3661 Semi-related...six times removed most likely, as we all are:) I'd still like to know what happened to his son the chicketa was dressing up like a girl to help throw people off, as related by some on the Hispanic side.
@@georgeroberts613 if you’re related 6x’s removed your family must have some info on him.. was he really Billy the Kid?
@@debraanchante3661 I was joking Debra in reference to us all being at least familiar with everyone else just six times removed:) Can't help but wonder though:()
@@debraanchante3661if Blll wasn’t Billy the kid, why would he go through the trouble of trying to get the pardon that was owed to him?????
Grandma always said we were related to the kid . she had old photos of him being in Mexico . The photos look somewhat like him.
I see this is months ago? Are there any updates on this?
I thought Antrim was his stepfather, so how is DNA going to match Billy?
Billy's younger brother also took the name Antrim when their mother married William Antrim in 1873. They were both biological sons of Patrick and Catherine McCarty, so if this was Billy's brother Joe, then their DNA would match.
1) Claudes son sure resembles Billy
2) I understood Billy's body floated away along with the Maxwell house. Reburied?
3) Wasn't Brigett Billy's older sister?
4) My Dad's Uncle Juan Widner married a woman named Petra Coleman. Petra's grandfather was Patricio Coleman who had a small farm in Rodey, NM in the mid-1800s that Billy worked on for a short time as a ranch hand.
5) Another man who was related to Chavez y Chavez said Billy had an illegitimate son by the name of Pat/Patrick.
Interesting note. In the movie Jesse James Vs The Black Train, the James gang goes to the Kimbell Plantation. It was in Claiborne Parish, Pat Garrett territory. If you Google the Kimbell Plantation in Claiborne Parish Louisiana you can learn the history of the Kimbell Plantation.
I believe this is true within my own family genealogy, the same names and years. I would love to work with y’all. So when I get off work you may see my name again lol
The boy so strongly resembles Billy, but I thought Antrim was Billy's stepfather. So Billy wouldn't have any Antrim DNA. ?
My thoughts exactly. I see Michael responding to many comments but not one so far on any of these 🤔
Michael, all I can say is WOW! The picture of Claude certainly has a strong resemblance to the picture of Joe. And the pictrue of Claude's son, case closed!! I was in Tombstone a couple of years ago and in our motel's front desk there was a picture of Ike Clanton next to a picture of his great, great grandson, and they looked nearly identical. So it can happen.
that young man looks so much like billy
This is so cool! Great research James, and Susan Stevenson. Just finished reading (historian William A. Keleher's books) He also had Joe as a gambler hanging out with Chinese... smoking opium! (Never heard that before) and Joe teaches Billy how to gamble.
Interesting none of the Antrims want to speak to James?
Yeah... Claude's son has a strong resembalance to Billy. A great find James and great interview MAG! ❤🤠
A huge part of the reason why New Mexico will never let Billy's body be exhumed is that, once it's proven that it is, in fact, his body that is buried in that grave, a lot of what makes up the myth and legend of Billy the Kid will forever be erased, which would hurt tourism in that area of New Mexico. Obviously there would be people who would disregard the facts and evidence, but I really think it would affect a lot of people and cause them to all but lose interest in BTK. New Mexico can ill afford to lose the revenue that BTK brings in annually.
That’s a very interesting perspective. I’m not sure I agree but I’ve never heard anyone make this point before.
I can agree with you on that I think it's almost the same way as John Dillinger public enemy number One. They was supposed to dig John Dillinger's grave up in 2019 and do a History channel show with it but never did. And now they're supposed to be getting blood DNA off the pants say he was wearing the night that he was shot to come out with another video the video is supposed to be released in mid July but is not come out yet I wonder if a lot of us to do with money
I agree.
I doubt it will have any impact either way.
Most of us are fascinated with the history, & while rewriting part of it might hurt, deep down, we all want the truth.
We live on a ranch near Monument Valley, AZ so we aren't that far from BTK's favorite spots.
Regardless of what facts come up, I'll be visiting soon, then return on occasion.
Winter is coming so it will provide a good break when I can't get any work done.
Agree
I imagine to be associated with Billy if he did survive they are protecting him. Really a lot to consider. This is why I want to be a researcher for Parabon with Cici
One of the Hispanic women that wrapped the body said in a journal that's been passed down that the body was not billy
Who's the woman and where is the journal?
@@MankindMediaLLC I would have to go back and find it the lady's family lives in Las Cruces
The body had dark skin and a beard. END OF !!!!
I have a hard time listening to anyone who believes the kid was staining his skin, especially back then and was suddenly capable of growing a beard.
Antrim wasn't even Billy's biological father, so I'm confused about the DNA topic of conversation 🤷♂️
Sounds interesting enough to follow up but a lot of Antrim names which may be confusing. Best of Luck on the research.
That life was hard our ancestors photos prove that I’ve been waiting on DNA evidence
Crazy I live in Pueblo Colorado
So interesting thank you 🏴
Underground sonar will tell if there is a body at the grave site
Yes, but it won’t tell us whose body it is.
Unfortunately it's too hard to do a reliable Dna test.
Yeah, I've read about that too. After 50 -70 years, even the slats begin to rot away.
The only difference is if it is a very calcareous soil, the skeleton can survive forever.
ms Everhart i believe said he was actually his uncle
Wasn’t Joe Antrim the stepfather? The picture if the young boy has many similarities to the Kids famous photo
If it’s ever allowed that the body of billy could be exhumed I think it would be great to hire someone that has no clue who billy the kid is and do a reconstruction of the skull to see if it look’s like billy. What do you think? If they can’t pull the DNA I think it would be a good idea. You would think looking at the skull if all the teeth are there because billy had buck teeth that he would be recognized. 🤷♀️🤷♀️ just my thought’s.
Grave site was washed over in floods 2 times since he was ""buried
Yes I read that. He probably will never be found.
Not being mean, but he's buried still behind bars!
Billy was screwed by the corrupt law in NM. Gov Wallace pardoned him but the sherrifs didn’t honour it. Regardless if Brushy Bill was him he should have been pardoned again as he already was.
Wallace never pardoned the kid. There’s no proof he ever said he would either.
@@MankindMediaLLC Yes He did, Wallace was in the court room making sure Billy testified as promised, when he did Wallace told the sheriff to let Billy go then Wallace left. The sheriff didn't honor the pardon.
@@lukeoconnor3877 You must be thinking of Young Guns or something. That's a movie. It never happened.....Wallace wasn't even in NM any longer when the trail went on.
Actually I got that info from one of these you documentaries not to long ago. You’ll probably run across if you watch these like me.
@@MankindMediaLLC czcams.com/video/ztuIfFbixQs/video.htmlsi=9eZehMAH6EVFA_Pp
At about 46 minutes in he explains that Lew Wallace went to the trial. It’s a good listen
What about talking to the Mexican families that have history of Billy’s life. Maybe be some direct descendants of Billy’s? If Brushy’s story has any credence he was not Kathleen Antrims son?
sadly i dont believe anyone will ever be able to locate Billys remains, now maybe if there was a way to obtain his moms DNA and maybe Brushys then that would at least put that story to rest
Shouldn’t even try. There’s no mystery. Shot, killed, buried in Fort Sumner. End of story.
@@MankindMediaLLC It wouldn't fly under today's standards. You'd have to take the body to the county coroner to be examined, then identified and declared to be deceased and by what cause. There's no body to examine, so we have the word of Pat Garrett who had already shot a couple of people because he thought they were Billy. You see why that's a problem, and why we need coroners? Throw in some sworn affidavits by witnesses claiming Billy wasn't dead and you have some legitimate challenges to Pat Garrett's claims. Wasn't Garrett himself a criminal and cattle rustler before becoming sheriff? He was also a man with excessive drinking and gambling debts. Guys like that aren't trusted to have security clearances today because they are more likely to commit theft or treason. He had motive to lie in order to collect the bounty.
As for Brushy Bill, he's just a guy with a story until someone can prove otherwise.
the DNA of biological child of bushy coud be nteresting to see where /who it goes regarding families. that could prove quite a bit.
Brushy had no children. That said, researchers already have DNA from Brushy’s family.
What if we have a sample of Bill the Kids hair? And Brushy Bill?
Well, you don't need Brushy's since he has a number of living relatives...I'm sure someone would be tested?
I am convinced the outlaw known as Jesse James was William Michael Carrigan, the younger brother of Confederate Lt. Colonial and judge Alfred Holt Carrigan. Thomas Carrigan took the body of Jesse Woodson James to Mt. Olivet Cemetery in 1902 for proper burial. That was Charlie Bigelow who was shot in the back of the head, not the outlaw known as Jesse James. Judge Alfred Holt is in a newspaper clipping stating the James brothers robbed no banks in Missouri. William Michael Carrigan reportedly died in 1864, but later married Sarah Ann Farrington/Ferrington, a cousin to Jesse Woodson James, and in 1868 she gave birth to my great grandfather Michael William Kerrigan. I took the Ancestry DNA test and I have the DNA matches for all his ancestors. His older brother, Lt. Colonial Alfred Holt Carrigan, has black descendants named Adams who also took the Ancestry DNA test and we match. I also ran a DNA test on Jesse Woodson James and I have matches for his grandparents on his dad's side and all 8 of his great grandparents on both sides of his family.
I'm not super familiar with it but didn't they exhumed him and prove it with DNA ?
@@lostamericanhistory2536 In 1902 Thomas Carrigan swapped the bodies. Do a Google search for Carrigan and Jesse James.
@@lostamericanhistory2536 Thomas Carrigan, the man with the same name as mine but spelled differently, took the body that is believed to be the body of Jesse James to the Mount Olivet Cemetery in 1902. That is when the body of Charlie Bigelow was swapped with someone closely related to the outlaw known as Jesse James.
@@lostamericanhistory2536 They were cousins.
I enjoy this but why can't we just let him rest in peace
He is either in heaven or hell, the story and research has no affect on him.
Great podcast ! However, the feeling is that Joe was only the stepfather of Claude Stone. Should Joe and Jenny wait 3 years after having children before getting married?
But surely there are other tracks?
Have read somewhere that Billy had an older sister, Bridget McCarthy?
Of course you should continue on the trail of Claude Stone Antrim and get DNA from his living relatives!
Did Patrick McCarty have any brothers or sisters?
Did Chatrine McCarty have any brothers or sisters?
Feel like you are getting CLOSE now!!!
Thank you for your enormous commitment to Billy The Kid!
/ Nichlas Janze
Brushy bill roberts was billy watch "brushy bill roberts in his own words the Lincoln County war and billy the kid saga debunked" listen carefully he goes into so much detail that only billy would know proves alot of historians wrong
Not one thing that Brushy knew was secret, or unpublished at the time of his "story". Most of what he learned (and got completely wrong) was from Burns' "The Saga of Billy the Kid" published in 1926. Don't take my word for it.....read that book, and read whatever Brushy supposedly said in his interviews and match them up. Also, ask the powers that be why we can't hear Brushy's interviews with Morrison after 70 years? Not one soul has heard them in all that time....all we have is what Morrison said that Brushy said.....why not let us hear the man in his own words?
@@MankindMediaLLC a long time ago there was a video of brushy in his living room with his shirt off describing the wounds and they are a match to what was reported that billy had I saw it along time ago it's been taken down I can't find it anywhere historians and authors don't like being proved wrong brushy was billy
@@jason686361able As noted...you can believe anything you like. Billy was only reported to be shot in the thigh during his lifetime.....no other wounds. I'm unsure what else you would match 26 scars to, but it's not wounds documented to be on Billy the Kid. Also as noted, your questions about Brushy being Billy are about to be answered. I can't tell you what's been shared with me (yet), but soon I will. Have a great night.
@@MankindMediaLLC he was shot in the thigh he was shot between the shoulder and heart and had been stabbed and the most famous shot by the sawed off from garret pieces of buckshot hit his chin and billy Barlow took the damage that killed him it's even said the John W Poe told garret this is not billy
Larga Vida Beeeelly.🤠
Hate to keep harping on Sam's "Pat Garret & Billy the Kid", but if I understood you correctly you said you've never watched the complete movie, this movie was originally cut at 160 minutes by Sam, the studio cut it to 106 then later the so called Directors cut was released in 1998 at 124 minutes, I think the movie was a masterpiece at 124 minutes, and could only imagine what the other 40 minutes they cut had in it??? The movie was pretty much a failure and initially lost a lot of money, pretty much universally hated by every one including the actors that were in it at 106 minutes, they said it destroyed Sam's vision, Now it's number 126 on the top 500 movies ever, Sam's original 160 minute cut is MIA, I read an article years years ago that a lot of the "back ground" of the Lincoln County Wars & Billy & Pat's earlier relationship were what was cut. It is by far my all time favorite western & I was familiar with the story so that helped, but it wouldn't be nearly as good someone who wasn't. I'd give almost anything if his 160 minute version would pop up somewhere & get released. One fault some found with the movie is at age 36 Kriss was too old to play Billy, personally I think he knocked the part way out of the park.
Wait a minute compare Brushy and Joe's dna.
Joe’s body was left to medical science so there is no DNA from him sadly.
@@annheywood8170 You know, you are right, I had forgottwn that. Its a shame.
IM RELATED TO HIM
@@darrinito you must be really old then 💀✋
How
@@wigsnatched8186 he’s one of my 8th cousins 😂
Please please forgive me for thinking this, but the first thing that came to my mind was “bull“!
I mean no disrespect, but it seems like only a short time ago those who did not want Billy dug up claimed that getting his DNA would be next to impossible. Hey if I’m wrong I’m wrong and if this is true this to me is like finding Elvis hanging out in my living room!
Thank you for doing all this research and hard work! This is really really big!
To confirm this DNA wouldn’t it now be worth it to exhume Billy’s grave?
No...I don't think that's the case. I think what Josh said/meant is that it wouldn't be necessary based upon some projects going on right now. That's about all I can say.....but the next 6-12 months are going to tell the tale.
@@MankindMediaLLC So we don't have an answer yet? I just am trying to find out if we even do, I don't have time to read all of those 20 minute long articles and then watch a 45 minute video. Sounds like you're saying here is "we don't know yet". I wish headlines would just fin say that...
@@JustinOhio You want answers that are not mine to give. You want me to spill the info on people who have spent countless hours and tons of money to solve this once and for all. Your need for "headlines" doesn't trump the fact that when I give someone my word that I won't divulge their findings...I keep it. Sorry....you'll just have to wait.
@@MankindMediaLLC I did not watch your video, I have no knowledge of what you already know. If the official word is not out then I wish articles or even headlines would simply just say that. I was basically writing to say that I don't even know and cannot tell from any article whether or not we even have an official answer yet. But your response told me what I needed to know so thank you for that. I don't *want* you to do anything. Total misunderstanding here....
I'll take a DNA on that #roberts my family is from the Handy's and sparks.
if this guy is a half brother only one same parent, they dont have to look alike...me and my brother same mom different dad look nothing alike..also wouldnt the DNA only be partial coming from only one side of Billys family?
The kid looks like Jeff Bridges
Fred Nolan disputed that it was Billy and Joe before he died, at the wedding. He suggested that Josie was Catherine's sister and that they both may have been Confederate spies KGC stuff.
Hi their is only one preson that knows who Billy The Kid is and that is Jesus Christ The Son Of God.
Well, might as well shut the channel down now....no sense continuing.
Keep up the good work! But, definitely, keep Fort Sumner's politics out of it.
jesse mills is the name
the name of ?
This looks and sounds too tantalizing not to pursue it to the end. Excellent work, James and Susan. I may be too optimistic but I am seeing similarities to BTK in the young Antrim pictured. I say keep trying to engage the family members! Someone will be interested eventually.
Very interesting how that kid's teeth stick out like Billy's.
My grandkids teeth stick out like that and they're not related to Billy the Kid. How many people in the world have that kind of teeth come on give me a break
What if the third body is a Mexican body.
What body are you talking about?
@@MankindMediaLLC Haven't you ever seen the movie the Third Man? They're talking about Orson Welles, obviously!
definitely looks like kin thow
I'm Billy the Kids great great grandchild
Can you give us more details?
@@MankindMediaLLC that was a joke 🤪🤣😄
@@johnstanley9719 ah. 😂😂
I'm Batman so...
J.D. Antrim Tesla Files
What"s the possibility of digging up Billy's grave? Is there even a small chance of that ever happening?
I just posted a comment explaining why this will never happen...Now I'm just an average guy in his mid 40's from Oklahoma, so this is in no way based on any facts or inside information; it's just my own personal, but educated, opinion...here it is:
A huge part of the reason why New Mexico will never let Billy's body be exhumed is that, once it's proven that it is, in fact, his body that is buried in that grave, a lot of what makes up the myth and legend of Billy the Kid will forever be erased, which would hurt tourism in that area of New Mexico. Obviously there would be people who would disregard the facts and evidence, but I really think it would affect a lot of people and cause them to all but lose interest in BTK. BTK's fans love the romantic notion that he somehow managed to escape certain death one last time, and then rode off into American history, forever. Once that legend is 100% dispelled, I believe people would no longer see BTK as an American folk hero, but just a young kid who shot down several people in cold blood and then met his fate in Ft. Sumner. It's that ambiguity of "did he, or didn't he" that people love to cling to. Either way, New Mexico can ill afford to lose the revenue that BTK brings in annually.
@@Tom_Van_Zandt I respect your opinion, but I don't think it would affect his legend or interest in him one bit. I 100% believe he's buried in Fort Sumner. I have no interest in the conspiracy theories.
I think it’s a small possibility. Right now there’s no win for Sumner if they do since history says he’s there. If there’s a way that the community benefits with minimal risk, you just never know what the decision would be.
Brushy bill was not billy the kid..😅
Love. The. Storie. I. Seen. Billy. And. Jesse. We're. Cousins. And. That. Billy. Came. To. Colorado. Did. Not. Say. Where. But. Colorado. My. Mother. Family. Last. Name. I. Know. Of. We're. Trujillo. Taylor. Chavez. Martinez. Lopez Archuleta. Moya new. Mexico. Colorado
Yet, they moved with Catherine and William Antrim.
I hate being that guy, but a smell of another Brushy Bill story is here. Antrim himself took his step fathers name, not his real fathers which was McCarty.
MAG while we are on this genealogy part, I ponder if any modern day historian pays attention they list whose Billy Father is.. He’s laid to rest in Nashville, having died during the civil war. Crazy I have to be the one to mention this, His wife’s name and family are listed as well. Even as far back as the civil war: and the revolutionary, one would place their religion, fathers and mothers name and any children.
Furthermore as they didn’t immediately go to war being handed a weapon he’d be assigned a unit, one can even trace the major engagements he was involved in. As he dies on or is laid to rest 25th March 1865, he would have fell at nearly the end of the war. Even worse the date on his headstone is the start of the end of the reb’s surrendering.
One last thing, his father was Irish born in Ireland as well as his wife. He was a Christian as the tombstone that was replaced the other being so detonated, they made sure to place the white cross upon it. Which means he even went as far as recording at his enlistment a Christianity lifestyle.
One more thing... if the exact spot BTK was allegedly killed still exists, could DNA be recovered from a blood stain? At least blood type?
The Maxwell house is gone. We have a line on the floorboards that we’re removed and put into another home. It’s a huge long shot, but you never know?
Brushy Bill, in my opinion, is not Billy the Kid. He doesn't even have the same bone structure.
It's just common sense if billy was really killed he was such a big name his body would of been on display while guarded there would of been pictures
His body was on display. To believe evidence to the contrary is to believe people pushing fraudulent and false narratives.
@@MankindMediaLLC no it was not on display people would have pictures and it would of been in the papers everywhere
@@jason686361able No sense discussing this with you any further. Your mind is made up, despite the evidence. Long live Brushy!
@@MankindMediaLLC what evidence is there to support your claim on BTK body being on display after he was "killed".
Why don't you check that rifle if it is legit Billy's rifle?
Professionals break it down,pull the stock.there is bound to be Billy's blood on it somewhere. If it's been in battlefield it's got some dried blood somewhere on it. You will have a promising DNA.
Should be some absorbed in that wood.
Brushy was Billy....End of
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Brushy was not BTK ! Silver upp" a bit !
Brushy was not btk,he wore the gun the wrong way
Joe and Billy have the same big nose and ears
What a load of bullshit
Just like your comment here……
Michael, I am curious as to why you believe Billy the Kid was killed by Pat Garrett. What is the final bell that rang so loud you believe Pat Garrett’s Story, or do you? You said you don’t believe it happened like Pat said, so how do you believe it happened? What bell rang true for you and why? Do you not believe the evidence in support of Brushy Bill Roberts being Billy the Kid? I am 71 years old and I am telling you that Brushy Bill was definitely 20 years older than me at his death. HE DEFINITELY WAS 90/91 years old. The scars matching, the facial recognition, the hand writing analysis, his fluency in the Spanish Language, his height matching, his hands size and him manipulating the hand cuffs like Billy, the sworn testimonies of eye witnesses saying that THIS IS BILLY THE KID POSITIVELY. You will dismiss all this documentation for Pat Garretts word, when he’s a known liar! Billy wanted nothing but the pardon he was promised. You don’t believe the government would lie? You believe Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK, that Agent Orange does no harm to humans, that John Wilkes Booth was killed in that barn, that UFOS DONT EXIST.?? Really?
good for you....you believe whatever you like, based on whatever facts you like. There's no sense in debating beliefs
@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi first, I love your channel. I'm undecided on the topic just because I feel like we can resolve it all with DNA, but for many weak reasons those who defend the narrative don't want it. Everyone just eats to debate which is a waste of time. Either way, aside from DNA, is there anything that would change your mind on the topic ?
@@lostamericanhistory2536 change my mind that Brushy Bill would actually be the kid?
@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi yeah, is there any evidence (actual evidence) that could come to light that could sway your opinion? I personally don't think he was, but he is interesting so I try to stay open to the possibilities.
@@lostamericanhistory2536 Gosh...the can is kicked so far down the road, I'm not sure that there's anything at this point. I guess if there were an authenticated photo of The Kid from pre 1881 and it remotely looked anything like Brushy, I'd have to at least consider it.....but even then....
I believe Brushy Bill Roberts was Billy the Kid. Pat Garrett wouldn't kill his good friend.
Just get Bill the kids DNA from Brushy Bill and your done