I Bought A BRAND NEW Round Baler; How Much Hay Can I Bale In A DAY?!?
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UPDATE: This baler turned out to be HORRIBLE. I bought it largely because it was advertised as being able to bale wet hay which was desirable to me as I wanted to wrap some (silage) hay bales. I baled wet hay with it, ~2 times after which point this machine BROKE EVERY TIME THAT I USED IT. I had a roller replaced, multiple bearings changed within the first year that I owned it. My impression that VERMEER had built this thing heavily was correct, HOWEVER the parts they used were the cheapest ones possible, chinese bearings that fail constantly. Finally, at the end of my second season with this thing, one of the main bearings on the unit failed and by this point I was tired of messing with it. As you'll recall, I only bought a new baler because I wanted one that would JUST PLAIN WORK and not have to be messed with constantly during the height of hay season, and this one, simply doesnt achieve that goal.
I sold it for a loss, as-is, to a Vermeer dealer who was short on inventory, and then I went and bought a German made CLASS baler thats older than I am. Its amazing, although its a smaller unit (4x4) its MUCH beefier in construction, better bearings, etc. This is the LAST TIME that I ever buy American made farm equipment, new at least. We, the consumer used to pay more for american made with the expectation that we were getting a better product, but now its just cheap components (chinese megacheap bearings in this case) with little/no service, so theres no point. I learned that all round balers are basically the same, they just break all the time, rollers cracking and bearings burning. Of course this would be easy to fix, simply make the bearings 50% larger and "2" grades of quality higher and you'll never have a problem. Same with the rollers, "2" sizes up on wall thickness and they'd last for 100 years. But OF COURSE then the big companies would make less money, so that cannot be allowed to happen.
My advice for anyone looking for a round baler is this: simply buy an old one from your choice of manufacturer and go through EVERYTHING on it, ideally replacing or at least inspecting each bearing before you have issues. If they're failing, replace with highest quality possible. And then buy a SECOND round baler and do the same on it, for when the first one inevitably brakes down for some other reason, and THEN find a friend or neighbor who can come bale for you, or vise-versa, if the need arises.
You can't just buy new stuff and expect it to work, its not the 1950's anymore, those days are gone. Might as well just buy an old machine for 1/10 as much since you'll be working on it constantly anything.
Seriously, I hate this thing. It was a huge disappointment and cost me a lot of time and energy. I was running to the bearing supply place and trying to fix it with hay down and rain on the way. I could've just kept the old one and done that exact same thing, saving $30k in the process.
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Great to see you again. Since I’ve bought an MX5200. Looking forward seeing more of your videos
The story is the Vermeer founder tore apart the Allis Chalmers 1960s (small) round baler to learn its secrets then designed the huge bale baler from that. Now everyone is making round balers (some better than others).
I grew up on a farm using the small square bales and I learned all the cuss words from that (brand new JD) baler knotters. My father bought the brand new JD thinking it would perform better than the prior used Massey Ferguson square baler we had. Much cussing was involved with both those machines.
ah hell! its good to see you again!
When you don't have room to put that loose net wrap in the tractor you can stuff it between the loader and the cab. The farm I work on does that when we're putting out bale's for the cows
6330 bales on my 605N vermeer. So far so good. Really happy with it. WAs skeptical first few years.
Two things that I see, one the hay you were baling was very dusty, dust like that gets into the bearings and plays havoc with them, two, It was more than likely that a stone or two went through the baler and raised a divot on the rollers.
Thanks for the honesty. A lot of people won’t admit they bought shit. Everyone’s so smart and knows all there is to know online anymore. I am used to old shit. My MF 10 baler is old AF. Apparently that’s not a bad thing like with most mechanical items.
I usually jam the netwrap in the loader cross pipe hole
I was baling with an old New Holland bar baler, wind blew my hat off and it landed in the baler, gone for a while. Told my niece who I was working for that if her horses began to act goofy next winter, it's because they had ate my hat made from the highly toxic mareawanna plant.
I enjoy your videos again, but I would really line to know when they originally came out. Maybe I missed it.
Maybe you could make some type of bucket of some kind to attach to the front of your tractor so you would have somewhere to throw the trashed netting.
Leave the trash in the already cleaned area and pick it up on your way out.
Wait, we're going to get new videos? This year is the best!
Problem with baler due to hay being way to dry. Looks like a night job with a little .ore moisture. Tip ,, oil your chains hot and use hydraulic oil. They live 4 times as long.
Yaay, good to see you a chara😀
Our vermeer 605N select has been 100% trouble free for over 6000 bales. Only net wrap needed and normal greasing. Ive heard lots of issues with the R balers. They are cheaper made then the N balers. Cant go the cheap route as much as i love it. Deere also makes an amazing baler as we own both.
I beg to differ that the R is not as good as the N. The rotor design in the R are much better for feeding hay into bale chamber. We have not had any issues with the Rs we have sold. The 605 N will be changed to the R series in the coming year.
@@kevinmartz6454 the Rs we have sold! Yah that'll do it!
@@kevinmartz6454 they are cheaper made period. I work on em all day it seems like. Atleast 7 R series to like 2 Ns with double the bales.
Which do you like better, Vermeer vs. Deere?
I looked at JD's baler years ago, and everything seemed so light duty compared to the 605 Vermeer.
@@LAWSON08 depends on what your lookin at. Deere makes a tighter prettier bale. Simple design compared to new holland. Very strong balers except for the bale kicker, only part that breaks on em. Vermeers can feed way faster and are the simplest, heaviest, strongest one imo. Love em both tho. Vermeer monitor is waaaaay better. Its a toss up honestly. Both work amazing and very zero problems with them both. Make a new holland look pathetic.
I agree the new stuff has become pretty junky. A neighbor of ours bought a new New Holland discbine and that thing is a pure lemon. On our farm in Michigan we run M&W fix chamber balers and Freeman Deutz powered square balers. Freeman balers are bullet proof and the M&W balers, which are based on a Krone baler, will bale just about anything and are very easy to maintain.
Gotta disagree that all the newer balers are junk. I bought 2 new New Holland 560 Specialty Crop balers in the fall of 2018. As of now they have 32,000 bales between the 2 of them. There have been some problems, but nothing that caused serious loss of productivity. Haven’t spent big money on them for repairs yet which is pretty impressive considering I bale some 90% cornstalks and bean straw. Most bales in a (long!) day was 950 bales with the 2 balers together.
That's incredible to make that many bales. I have a Massey/Hesston 2656a. When conditions are right I can make 25 bales/hour. I'm in the market for another baler, I take it you'd recommend the New Hollands?
@@westonandelin4556 Yea I’d give them a look. Take into account dealer support. My 2 NH 560s are up to 46,000 bales between the two of them now, 23,000 ea. Starting to see the use on them. Sides are wore through in places, replaced most of the chains and sprockets last fall. I did set a new record for bales in one day with one baler; 572 bean straw bales. Started at 12:30 pm and got finished around 1 or 1:30 am. There was a little road time in there.
@@nschelling6420 My baler only has 12,800 bales and I've had a fair amount of problems with it. I replaced around 10 bearings so far. How many bearings have you replaced on your NH?
@@westonandelin4556 I’ve had 3 major bearings fail so far. Also replaced quite a few chain idler sprocket bearings. Thing is, there are so many things that affect bearing life. Errors in installation, exposure to elements (never buy a used baler that sat outside its whole life), bale density settings, making over size bales etc etc. Then there is the reality that bearings are vendor supplied and sometimes some are better than others. NH tends to use Timken/Fafnir, PEER, and I think a few SKF for the major bearings. Some of the small bearings they use have proven to be cheap junk.
Long time no Stitch👍
good video
UPDATE: This baler turned out to be HORRIBLE. I bought it largely because it was advertised as being able to bale wet hay which was desirable to me as I wanted to wrap some (silage) hay bales. I baled wet hay with it, ~2 times after which point this machine BROKE EVERY TIME THAT I USED IT. I had a roller replaced, multiple bearings changed within the first year that I owned it. My impression that VERMEER had built this thing heavily was correct, HOWEVER the parts they used were the cheapest ones possible, chinese bearings that fail constantly. Finally, at the end of my second season with this thing, one of the main bearings on the unit failed and by this point I was tired of messing with it. As you'll recall, I only bought a new baler because I wanted one that would JUST PLAIN WORK and not have to be messed with constantly during the height of hay season, and this one, simply doesnt achieve that goal.
I sold it for a loss, as-is, to a Vermeer dealer who was short on inventory, and then I went and bought a German made CLASS baler thats older than I am. Its amazing, although its a smaller unit (4x4) its MUCH beefier in construction, better bearings, etc. This is the LAST TIME that I ever buy American made farm equipment, new at least. We, the consumer used to pay more for american made with the expectation that we were getting a better product, but now its just cheap components (chinese megacheap bearings in this case) with little/no service, so theres no point. I learned that all round balers are basically the same, they just break all the time, rollers cracking and bearings burning. Of course this would be easy to fix, simply make the bearings 50% larger and "2" grades of quality higher and you'll never have a problem. Same with the rollers, "2" sizes up on wall thickness and they'd last for 100 years. But OF COURSE then the big companies would make less money, so that cannot be allowed to happen.
My advice for anyone looking for a round baler is this: simply buy an old one from your choice of manufacturer and go through EVERYTHING on it, ideally replacing or at least inspecting each bearing before you have issues. If they're failing, replace with highest quality possible. And then buy a SECOND round baler and do the same on it, for when the first one inevitably brakes down for some other reason, and THEN find a friend or neighbor who can come bale for you, or vise-versa, if the need arises.
You can't just buy new stuff and expect it to work, its not the 1950's anymore, those days are gone. Might as well just buy an old machine for 1/10 as much since you'll be working on it constantly anything.
Seriously, I hate this thing. It was a huge disappointment and cost me a lot of time and energy. I was running to the bearing supply place and trying to fix it with hay down and rain on the way. I could've just kept the old one and done that exact same thing, saving $30k in the process.
Newer American made equipment... NEVER EVER AGAIN!
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I have four snowblowers of the same model ranging in build dates from 1979 to 2014 and even though the 79 one was hit by a snow plow I still went through the trouble of restoring it as my personal snowblower because of how it is built. The 2014 model may look and operate similar but they are two completely different machines and not in a good way. Bearings are now plastic bushings, bearing and shaft support brackets are history, control rods are now thin cables that fail easily, cast iron auger gearbox now much smaller and cast pot metal and so on. I even found an old red top Weber grill and I'm almost done restoring it to go with my blue top, black top and other Webers I know will sell quickly to people like us that appreciate American made quality before politicians ran manufacturing out. Tesla is a perfect example and we're lucky he stayed after California's BS.
You should look at Krone hay equipment, it’s made in Germany. One lonley farmer uses Krone square balers and I also have one. Mine is a 3x3. They are built like a tank! I’ll never buy anything else. Quality from start to finish. I believe their round balers would be the same quality
Hi Chucky if you are looking at making silage I wouldn’t look past a mchale baler there made in Ireland 🇮🇪 and the majority of Irish contractors use them , of course it’s worth doing your own research on the baler ,
czcams.com/video/N_WN8r7uPYI/video.html is a link to a USA dealer
You can also check out the following CZcams channels who run a Michale
Hayteamtv : based in England and make hay and wet hay
Farmer Phil : based in Ireland makes silage with a mchale fusion2 ( combined baller and wrapper ) but does a lot of other contact work as well
@@farmin4468 they are, except Krone makes chain balers so a little less bale density, especially with fixed chamber.
@@tjurzyk Krone makes a belt baler now. But even their variable chamber chain balers make a pretty good bale. But I’d go mchale before Krone and then a Massey 4180v before that
If you are ever looking to buy a new baler ever again, might be worth your while looking into McHale balers, built here in ireland. They are the most popular baler here and are very reliable. They are built to withstand unpredictable irish weather and ground conditions, which means they can handle pretty much anything after that.
Welger beats any mchale
Why are your tractor front tires on backwards?
I just set up a brand new Vermeer 504 r this week. They are great balers. I hope you have the silage kit in for doing silage bales. This baler is built much heavier than the jd baler. Also just serviced two 504r balers that were traded in recently with 14000 bales on each of them. Except for some normal wear parts the balers are still in very good shape. Glad you chose a Vermeer.
lol, seems you didn't read the whole description, or the pinned post.
14000 bales is a bit of a soft test for a baler. I have heard of balers in Europe with over 100k bales.
He sold it because it was junk
I only use SKF !!
New Holland best round baler I've seen maybe not the new ones. I know a couple unhappy vermeer owners
Well. It's good that the bailer worked for a while I suppose. It really saddens me the sate of manufacturer quality, or lack there of, in American goods these days. It's all about maximum profit from the initial sale rather than making a robust and reliable product that somebody can use for a lifetime.
U should just use twine it takes longer to tie but u don't have to mess with net wrap
Awful advice
Like watching you do what you love. No matter what you are doing. Lose the side burns. Not cool, lol
Sucks this baler was trash. Great machine but they used a lot of cheap parts. Hopefully that Claas baler lasts you many more seasons!
Hiya Lance
Sorry to seeing you so dissapointed even with this new round baler. In Europe we use Krone round balers which are the best ballers ever, so are welger and claas rollant models within 3500 to 6000 euro per piece. I use italian made fort f21 - krone licensed, but work very well for 4000 euros. Wish you good luck! Hope to see you soon with the new claas baler and show us using it.
Are you still doing hay?
That John Deere branded net wrap will rub off on your good Vermeer hay baler and ruin it... Better get that roll of net outta there 😆
Wow! Vermeer is supposedly a very fine baler. I think I'll go grease my ole New Holland 648!
They typically are but theres always a few junk ones out of the bunch
I've run the 605 series from Vermeer for 25 years. The Super J, the K, the L, the M, the Super M, and now the N.
Made thousands upon thousands of bales. Many in tough conditions. They're pretty damn good balers.
I think I've taken out 1 or 2 bearings in that time, and it was in the last few years. Could they be improved? I guess.
I hope your new bailer is working well for you. Have you thought about a bailer from the same manufacturer as your tractor if you where looking for a new one?
He sold it at a loss and bought an older (like 30+ years old) Claas baler. This Vermeer turned out to be a huge pain and broke often, despite being brand new.
@@Ratkill9000, how old are these videos? Seems like I’ve seen some of this footage before.
Krone kr 125 is the way to go.
There comes a time when you have to decide to " bale or bail. "
Well..... time to build ur own baler
Mc Hale balers are the way to go.
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You must really like the sound of your voice.
Damn dude. That super sucks.
cleal watts
Why do you keep posting vids using youre old bailer?
You should stuck with new holland
Not to be a Jerk, but maybe you could put/hang? a trash can on front of tractor.... Cool vids man i subbed
we have a vermeer chipper
Money solves all problems.. who knew
Try to find a Deere and trade it !
Should have bought the Deere baler.
Absolutely not
@@nalley6815 I’ve put 22k bales through one since 2016. Ever put spanner on it yet 👌
@@gerry6420 then you got lucky. Lot of problems out of green balers lately
Yup, even super Steve can't fix bad engineering 🤔
Tree fellas take a Vermeer over a Jonn Deere any day of the year
The Vermeer woodchipper the company I worked at used a John Deere diesel engine.
@@Ratkill9000 I used a wood chuck chipper that had a John Deere Diesel engine. That was a nice machine.
@@Ratkill9000, those little four cylinder diesel turbo John Deere engines are really reliable with plenty of power. You can run those for ten thousand hours and all you have to do is change the oil and filters regularly.
I dont why anyone would want to make those 4x4 baby bales! If its not a 5x6 baler i wouldn't want it!
Selling hay by the bale instead of by the ton is why a lot of guys do that
Do you feed hay or sell hay?
@@nalley6815 both!
@@jonathanfrecking1210 ok so you feed hay and whatever you don’t feed you sell. That’s a whole lot different. A 5x6 bale is over double whats in a 4x4 or 4x5. Say I sell a 4x5 for $35 but I can only get 40 out of a 5x5.5. Why in the hell would I want to keep making 5x5.5 and lose money? I makes no sense whatsoever
@@nalley6815 it doesnt have to make sense to you! You bale it how you want to it's that simple. I just personally wouldn't have a 4x baler. The only thing they're good for is getting 2 bales sxs on a 102in deck over trailer or maybe 1 or 2 bales more on an inline hay trailer.
You hear of farmers falling into balers. It ain't true. They jumped!
New Vermeer was best farm purchase I ever made. Just trade it every couple years.
If you have to trade it immediately it probably wasn’t really the best purchase you could have made
@@farmin4468 the first round baler that ever came to my town is still in operation. An Italian soft core 4x4 twine baler I forget who manufactured it. It’s done tens of thousands of bales, and is still going strong. Im sure it’s paid for it’s self many times over. No doubt it breaks once in a while, but I’ve never seen it broken down, and I drive by it at work a lot during the season.
@@farmin4468 Everything wears out eventually. Trade it off if you can financially, or if you don't like to do all the repairs/maintenance with belts, chains, etc.
you made a video 4 hrs ago...lol
No it was posted 4 hours ago.
@@safetyfirstintexas No, the video is from his old channel, it's not even remotely new.
@@AirplaneDoctor_ reading comprehention much? Operative word is posted.
Come on man!
@@safetyfirstintexas What can l say, long fucking day
Better off square baling with 35 yr old baler.
That is a crying shame! Equipment overpriced and so are repairs ! I have newholland baler 12v actuator motor over$ 500 really? You can't even get aftermarket imported had good luck with kubota newholland tractor 2 duds both new.
Junk. Buy all New holland. Kubota junk. Vermeer junk. Whats your pickup truck? A Toyota? Equipment does not like it when you have all different brands hooked up together.
Are you trolling or legitimately that ignorant? New Holland’s mowers are absolutely 100% hot garbage. Their tedders are double the price of what they should be. Their rakes are ok I guess. Their balers are a hit or miss. The 560’s had a problem with the entire gate breaking off. Kubota makes nice stuff. Vermeer makes good stuff. Yes I’m sure the tractor knows exactly what brand of implement is hooked up. Dumbest thing I’ve heard
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