S1000R vs R1250R Donington track day ※ fastest lap comparison
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2021
- Now I'll be the first person to tell you that these are not particularly fast laps of Donington! This is really just a comparison showing where I have improved on my second track day here, compared to my first visit to the track a year earlier on my old S1000R.
I think I was on for beating last years' time by at about a second before I had to slow down at the Foggy Esses and the Melbourne Loop. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Very interesting video. Thanks Ricky. Enjoyed it. At 'public road' speeds to me there is not much difference between a 1250 boxer engine and a sports straight 4. If anything the boxer has superb torque at low revs. But then I ride to also enjoy the countryside and villages I pass through, plus the B-road twisties. Avoid the fens, the amount of subsidence is crazy and a potential death trap. Rode there this afternoon, ended up at 40 mph watching every dip and side collapse, was on edge.
I do think that 1250 makes a much better road bike for me than my S1000 because of the huge midrange torque... it sounds less hectic but goes just as fast in the real world so I'm more than happy with my decision to switch bikes 😊 I've not sampled the fens before - I used to read about them in Performance Bikes magazine many years ago but it sounds like the roads are not being maintained properly now which is a shame.
In all fairness you are quicker at the apex on the R1250R then the S1000R. 1000R is quicker in the straights plus the condition were better so U braked later on the 1000R. Plus you got held up at the end on the lap. So I recon you probably would do the same time on bouth bikes. And that is the thing I remember I did the same times on the 750 as on the 1000. It wasn't the bike that was holding me back but my abilities. Your brain has a safe /comfort zone at wich one can ride. And as long as the bikes have similar group clearance and brakes you will do same time on any bike. Only training your brain(getting use to track grip levels speed of corner entry ect)will expend you comfort zone will allow you to go qicker.
There is still a lot for me to learn about going fast around Donington and yeah you can see the progress which I'm happy with; there were places on the 1250 where I was opening the throttle where I had kept it neutral on the S1000. Obviously I haven't got the S1000 any more but by the time I have my third or fourth visit there on the 1250 I'm sure I can get down to around 1.56 or faster - as you say it's a matter of ability and experience. I'll get some track tuition too at some point next year and that will help me understand where the bottlenecks are which are holding me back 👍
Perfectly agree. Every rider has his own way of riding regarding breaking time, speed when entering in the corner ...
One of the greatest things about the Boxer twin and Paralever - the ability to get on the throttle so early at the apex. The superior torque (c.+20lbsft) of the 1250 just gives immense drive that can only be made up for with HP on the straights... Key reason why the R1250 boxer is such a brilliant fast road bike. Hard to beat the low and midrange torque.
@@RikkyTang Ricky, just a thought. Your S1000 was a few years old and most likely fully broken in. On the boxers, break-in is much longer? I remember my 99' R1100R loosening up quite a bit after 20k miles. I have a feeling that once completely broken in that the R1250R would be a tad faster than the S1000, other than in a straight-line race.
@@oceancarrera No Paralever on the R1250R...
This looks like a "video game" to me. Colors, graphics bldgs..etc. Am I the only one ? Maybe so, maybe my laptop...don't know. Excellent depiction and demo either way. Thanks to the poster. I bought a new 2020 R1250R back in 20 and couldn't agree more with you on every comment given. I have been fortunate to have owned 50 + bikes (7 were BMW combo's of GS's RS's S's) and ridden 50+ more and this bike "to me" is the most confidence instilling, smooth, FAST, carving all rounder I have ever owned or ridden. Perfect ergo's, so smooth and sophisticated steed. In more capable hands than mine it would hold it's own against 90% of production bikes out there save some of the superbikes. To put this in perspective, in the twisty mountains i have witnessed talented riders on GS's spank the leathers off Duc's, GSXR's and the like on a 550# GS. As we all know its' the rider not the bike...BUT it shows what they are capable of and this "R" is way better than me.
Yes I would also say that the R is better than me too! I'm back again at the same track on my R at the end of April... hopefully I can go a bit quicker again. Somehow the GS makes for an excellent road bike despite its size and weight - I'm looking forward to the next version of both the GS and the R... and I'll probably buy one of them 😊
@@RikkyTang I look forward to that romp mate ! Will keep an eye out for the vid. Side note, being a HUGE F1 fan here stateside back in the 90's here in San Francisco we had a pub called "Donington Park" ! The chap that owned it was from your side of the pond. This is back when we had to get up at 3:30 a.m. to watch F1 on ESPN or slap a tape in the VCR to record it. Well, this bloke who owned the pub would do just that...record it then play it back in the afternoon at the pub! Which ever country was holding the race he would put out a big spread of that country's food ! All we had to do was buy the brew and watch the race on CRT's in each corner. To get in the pool you put in 20 quid and pull a drivers name from a hat. I never won as I usually ended up with Katayama or Verstappen 8 times out of 10 ! Needless to say there were more than a few headaches at work Monday morning ! LOL
Thanks for posting this video! Great riding and nice bikes. I’m getting an r1250rs soon and it’s really encouraging to see you ride its sibling on track. At your pace on the r1250r, did you need to drag your knee, and were you concerned at any point that either cylinder head would touch the ground while leaned over?
I didn't drag my knee on the 1250 - to be honest it was my first kneedown ever last year in the other clip on the S1000R so it doesn't feel natural yet to go for kneedowns!
I am a bit concerned about touching the heads down but it won't stop me taking the bike to the track! The peg feelers and centre stand touch down before the heads so you do get some advance warning 😁
@@RikkyTang Thanks for the info. I did a lot of trackdays on my previous cbr600rr (see avatar) and contemplating between getting a dedicated trackbike vs using the r1250rs. I'll have to give it a try on the r1250rs atleast once, I guess.
0.6 seconds difference. Good showing by the big twin against the four 👍
Yes the big boxer is full of surprises!
Great video..
Bought a brand new (2020) R1250R 3 weeks ago. After 2000 km, I’m superhappy with the bike. What a engine. I’m in love
Been twice on a Lofoten trip🇳🇴but now mother nature ask me to take a break.
Winter is coming soon.
That's a lot of km in a short amount of time, but with winter coming I understand! And yes, the engine is the star of the show!
Skal du selge snart? :-)
Thanks , very interesting as I've just bought a 2015 R1200R SE (no shift cam) to add to the R1150R in my garage here in Spain. Looked like the R12R was quicker until you had to lose some time passing the other bikes on the track?
Interesting, and a bit surprising…goes to show it’s as much about the rider as it is the bike.
Yes I thought it was an interesting idea to pit me against myself to show how a fast bike doesn't automatically make you a fast rider.
Why was it surprising?
That r1250r is seriously impressive. Thought there would be a slightly bigger time gap
You just have to bear in mind that it was my second visit to the track on the 1250 and so I was more confident (it was my first ever trackday when I visited on the S1000R). I've now done a 1m57.6 on the 1250 😁 czcams.com/video/kJ_VoG1_Jc4/video.html
@@RikkyTang oh it was definitely the front screens help 😉😜 No seriously, that’s proper rocketing that is 🏍💨💨🏁🥇 Well done 👌🏼
Why did you think that?
@@AdamHarris-tf1bb hey. I thought that just based purely on the stats of both bikes. The sportier S1000r being based on RR, it being lighter and more powerful against the heavier and less powerful roadster (although more torque). Was thinking upto a second more of a gap. I think both bikes are great and would quite happily to own either of them! (bias towards the R1250r though as I love the boxers) Times might differ again with a different rider/tyres etc on the same or different track, dunno. What’s your thoughts then? 🤜🏼🤛🏻
I've been seriously considering an R1250R. I've owned sport bikes, lately I wanted something more comfortable with an upright riding position. I thought I would have to sacrifice performance..obviously not.
It's a quick bike for sure, however if you are used to inline fours, it lacks the top end rush of those engines. I won't lie and say I don't miss the top end of a four but only really at the track because that's the only place a 180+ BHP 4 cylinder bike can be fully exloited. The midrange is huge on this bike and that's what I love about it but perhaps if you want the best of both worlds, a KTM Super Duke (or Super Adventure) would be worth a test ride too 👍
@@RikkyTang Thanks....This looks like more than I can use on the street. Looking for smooth and sure footed, with long enough legs to throw a bag on the back and head out for a day or 2.
@@gregt5996 This bike can certainly do all you're after - I find it a very stable bike (don't think I've had one steering weave/wobble on the road) and if you get a model with the electronic suspension option, a change of setting on the instruments will set the damping for comfort or sporty riding, plus easily adjust the preload for two people.
The 1250 is an extremely fast motorcycle. I have yet to see anyone on a S1000R beat the 1200/1250R on a public twisty road.
Hi. What other bikes have you had before this one? Is the BMW the one you like most? Is it easy and friendly? A friend of mine is interested
I'm not sure which BMW you are talking about because both of the bikes in this video are BMWs. Personally I prefer the R1250R because it suits my riding style better than the s1000r which was my previous bike. Before that I had a suzuki 1250 bandit, a yamaha fz8, an yamaha r1, vfr800 and lots of smaller bikes. The R1250R is the best bike i have owned so far. Its not perfect (I wish it was 20kg lighter) but it does everything i want and I think it has a lot of character and is underrated in my opinion. There is a playlist for both these bikes on my channel 😊
I didn’t watch your videos in order. Did you go to the track after you added the new pipe to the 1250?
Sorry I missed this comment - For Donington on the 1250, I had already re-fitted the standard silencer. Before that I had the trackday at Bedford Autodrome on the 1250 and at that one I had the Leo Vince fitted (but it had that sound/power reducing plate in the link pipe).
Great video. It shows that it is a lot about the rider, how he/she behaves when riding. On the other hand bikes are different, but there it is just a little difference if one rides different bikes.
Yes indeed, a faster bike doesn't automatically mean that you are a better rider.
This is very cool comparison. What is the flashing yellow light on the 1250?
Thanks! That's the "traction control active" warning light. What happens is that even if TC intervenes for just a fraction of a second, the light flashes for about one second to try to make sure that you have noticed that TC was active.
@@RikkyTang Thanks!
Do you mean the yellow light on the S1000 mate?
@@barryrob1978 AmenCornerRider has both the Gen3 S1000R and the R1250R - She was asking about the yellow TC light on my R1250 instruments (right side display on my split screen - my old Gen2 S1000R is on the left side). Hope that clears it up 👍
@@RikkyTang Thanks. Just rewatched the video on my phone and can see the yellow light now. Haha. On my laptop the Rikki Tang logo must have been covering it somehow! 😂
Boxer ist absolut
how could it be this same lol amazing
Well I guess I knew the track better when I came back for the second visit on the R1250R so I was more confident about getting on the throttle!
Why does everyone keep saying this? Do you not know that the 1250 is an extremely fast motorcycle?
The 1250 did better, was in a lead until other racers were in its way
El tiempo está mal la BMW del 2021 se encontró otras motos.
Por qué antes de esas motos la 2021 tiene clara ventaja en el vídeo desde saliendo en curva y la 2019 en mitad de la curva aún
Tienes razón. Habría hecho un tiempo de vuelta más rápido en el 2021 si no hubiera habido tráfico. Pero también muestra que he mejorado como piloto desde que monté el 2019 alrededor de Donington el año pasado (este texto está traducido)
I'd take the R1250R any day over the other... Better "all round" bike, IMO...
I agree 👍
Actually not even a reasonable comparison, you're comparing 2 different bikes at 2 different times in your life. Your skills will have improved in the year following the 1000R ride. Ride the same bikes on the same track on the same day, for a real comparison.
You didn't read the description then... I wasn't comparing the bikes. Comparing two different times in my life with my improved experience on track was exactly what I was doing, so it is a reasonable comparison.
My faster time would be with the 1250R. It always is. Its an extremely fast motorcycle. The boxer engines are the most under-rated powerplant in modern motorcycling.