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The Mighty 9F - Review and Weathering Hornby’s Newest Steam Locomotive
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- čas přidán 25. 09. 2022
- The Mighty 9F - Review and Weathering Hornby’s Newest Steam Locomotive
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As always, thanks for watching.
I won’t use the word rubbish BUT you don’t realize the ‘difference in quality’ shall we say between the released model and the weathered model until after all the weathering is done and you compare them side by side. The weathering makes it look amazing
Thanks very much 😀
I’ve been starting to give my layout a remake and your videos have been extremely helpful, your really good at making layouts!
Thanks, glad you like them 😀
Morning Lewis, your weathering skills are amazing, you seem to do it with such ease and confidence. Tricks like masking areas you don't want to be sprayed. You've got a good eye for detail. Looking forward to seeing this 9f working for a living in Yorkshire. Take care, Eddy xx
Thanks very much Eddy! I’m looking forward to giving it a good run on the big layout 😀
Stunning looking loco, Awesome weathering job. I think you can tell it will be fab once it gets a few miles under it's belt.
Thank you!
So much to enjoy here. Once I get to this point I will be studying your video in more detail. Great layout and great video's.
Thank you 👍🏻
Hi Lewis, Hope you had a fine and relaxing holiday. A interesting review. The motor seems the general weak point of this otherwise well build but expensive Hornby locomotive. But this 9F looks ever so smart after your excellent weathering. A most inspiring 'how to' tutorial. Thanks for sharing! All the best. Filip
Thanks Filip - yes completely agree. Hopefully they’ve not used that same motor on the 2MT and Black Five…
The Yorkshire Dales is a great Railway, but your how-to vids are also very informative, Lewis.
As someone with a touch of exercise asthma, may I suggest that you purchase and use a proper canister paint mask when air brushing (or using spray cans, for that matter). Paint fumes and particles can do a world of harm over time!
Thanks Steven - glad you liked it. That’s a fair point, I should do that!
Thanks for sharing this video, I think weathering always brings the loco's more to life enjoyed take care, Barry.
Thanks Barry 👍🏻
Excellent work as always, and a great demonstration of how you do it and why. Glad you had some time to get out and off on holidays! Cheers!
Thanks Anthony 😀
You are the master of weathering. What a difference to the loco.
Thanks James 👍🏻
As an American, I just love the 9f freight loco. The strongest engine the BR has.
Me too! 😀
Thanks for the tip re: modifying the drawbar - I tried it, and my 9F looks much better and runs just as well.
No worries Neil - glad it worked!
Congratulations, your craftsmanship is amazing. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you!
It now looks like a heavy lump of metal rather than a plastic “toy”! Superb weathering; please would you do one or two of mine? Thanks, Robert!
Thanks Robert! Absolutely, my email is in the video description if you’d like get in touch 👍🏻
Brilliant as ever 👍🏻I’ve a weathered Bachmann 9F and very tempted to get one of these new horny ones..must say she looks amazing after you’ve weathered it…looking forward seeing her run on the big layout soon
Thanks very much Marcus 👍🏻
What an excellent video and layout.
Thank you 👍🏻
Hi from Glasgow I have Evening Star on order can't wait for it to be delivered thanks for the video 📹 and the weathering tips thanks for the video 📹 young man
Thanks Cameron, glad you enjoyed it.
I have seen the 9F in my local model shop. I am most impressed by it. May consider one for Christmas .
They’re nice models for sure - just expensive!
Nice job Lewis!
I think that might be your best weathering yet.
Cheers from Canada
Bob
Thanks Bob!
Handsome job Lewis 10/10 brings the 9F to life !😍😍
Thank you 😀
Again great video on Weathering a steam loco Lewis.....your weathering certainly brings the loco to a life like hard working condition 👍😀🚂
Thanks Gary 👍🏻
As always Lewis a very informative and enjoyable video. The 9F is certainly an impressive locomotive. Looking forward to watching it running on your layout Cheers Greg
Thank you Greg 👍🏻
Really enjoy these types of videos , learn something new, something different.
Thank you 👍🏻
Great work, they are a nice looking model, just fingers crossed 🤞 that the motor doesn’t fail I really don’t understand why Hornby are still using it.
Thanks - me too 😅
Excellent looking model but so much better with your weathering technique looking forward to seeing in run thankyou for the video
Thanks Mark 👍🏻
Simple weathering can be very effective. Cheers, Bob
Thanks Bob!
Darrenbury Central Hi good layout like the scenery and trackwoek.
Thanks!
Great job always wanted to build a model railway
Thank you 👍🏻
It looks like a very clean 9F from the 1960's, they were dirty beasts. Thanks Lewis.
Thanks David. Crazy how mucky some of them got!
STOP PRESS! Shiny loco appears on Mouldy Raspberry's layout!
A fine looking loco sir. Cheers
Thanks matey 😀
Awesome loco Lewis!!! Love it!! Great weathering job! Cheers Onno.
Thanks Onno 👍🏻
Looks amazing after that extra touch. 🌦
Thank you 👍🏻
Excellent weathering on a very nice model.
Cheers Kev
Thanks Kev 👍🏻
Good job Mr Mouldy. As I remember 9f's in BR days, he would have to be a lot cleaner at Browndale Heritage Railway though! Cheers John
Thanks John!
This was really interesting!
Glad you liked it 😀
Nice. Very nice. Might need to send mind to you for a weathering.
Thanks Graham - you’re welcome to 👍🏻
That's why you got my vote in the awards. ATB, Andy.
Thanks Andy 👍🏻
I know sorting the front coupling might be a little frustrating, but there's no need to take it out on the poor signalman.
A propos the smoothness of running, at £250+, it should be like silk out of the box.
Haha true. Yep I agree, same motor, same design yet a massive price hike which is frustrating…
Great video. Thank you for sharing your weathering techniques.
Thanks!
Excellent video as always Lewis. Thank you.
Thanks Dave 👍🏻
There beautiful.
Thanks 👍🏻
@@MouldyRaspberry no problem
I figured you wouldn’t be able to resist weathering this one for too long 😉
Haha you assumed correctly!
Love the video Lewis. I’ve just received my Evening Star and am waiting to run it on our club layout. I noted on mine that slow running on Dc isn’t as good as I would want it.
Hopefully that will get better in time and when I put DCC into it?
I’m tempted by by 92167 as well!
Thanks for sharing this video!
Thank you, glad you liked it! Yes hopefully after a good blast around the layout it will improve a bit.
Class. I found out about the coal + glue issue on my first attempt, ended up in a similar big mess to what you described. Ive seen seen people use cling film to go inside wagons and tenders prior to pouring the coal, that will be my next attempt :)
Thanks. Ah that’s a good solution, I’ll give that a go next time as well 🤣 Glad I wasn’t the only one…
@@MouldyRaspberry I put a bit of foam in first and then you can remove it from the clingfilm and then it fits snug into the wagon. I've not done a tender yet but I imagine it will be cleaner ☺️
Sams Trains has already copped this unit! He has the same sort of views... he also said the motor is quite poor quality.
Yes I agree with him, that’s the one thing that lets it down.
Superb weathering job, you make it look so easy! Can you just list the paints, powders and varnish you use when you have a bit of time, I've just recently purchased an airbrush and would like to have a go at weathering.
Thanks in advance
Clive
Still not sure I would have the balls to attempt it on a £200+ loco 😜
@@_RandomPea Which is why my first attempt will be a £10 Airfix 4f !! 😁
@@clivewootton4813 hahah yep that's the best option. Unfortunately I managed to strip the paint on a coronation city of Edinburgh, don't ask, so I have little option but to dive in, I don't have an airbrush so I just tried with cheapy acrylics and it wasn't too bad... Luckily easy to clean off and do again ☺️
Hi Clive - I use Tamiya colours XF1, XF 10 and XF63 which are black, brown and grey. The powers are Humbrol smoke, white, Earth and rust. The varnish is Vallejo gloss varnish
Very nice layout. Are you running dcc? I think it will be smoother in dcc operation. Awesome weathering job, only the safety valves still look very shiny 😉
Thanks! No, I’m running DC but I might switch over at some point. I’m sure you’re right!
Love the steam engine and the weathering you did on it. Inspired me to use my airbrush. Question, do you put sound decoders on your engines?
Thank you 👍🏻 no, my layout is a DC/analogue.
Looking pretty good Lewis
Thanks 👍🏻
nice work. Thank you :)
Thank you 😀
Great video - love the 9f
Thank you 👍🏻
good vid of a nice loco on the layout thanks lee
Thanks Lee!
watch the valve gear and motion they soon bend on Hornby models. now a days they have got so thin to past models .
I’ll keep an eye on it!
Nice demonstration - thanks. I found mine ran OK straight from the box, except the back-to-back of the tender wheels were out quite a way. I think that Hornby seem to need to address their quality control, since different models seem to suffer different issues. BTW, note that it looks as if the motor is the infamous S15/B12 type. Let's hope Hornby have finally solved the issues with this motor................
Thanks Chris. I really hope so… You’re right though, the quality control seems to be the main issue.
The lack of QC is nothing new and Hornby doesn't do anything about it. This is going on for donkey's years now. Glad you have a fine running 9F !!
Very nice job.
Thanks 👍🏻
What is the rationale of having the cab roof etc extremely dirty while the safety valve vapour spillage and I would have thought even more difficult for crew/cleaners to access firebox top are clean please? As far as the model cost goes, IMO the effort of making all the inner tender detail below coal level, especially the coal pusher, is just adding cost for no gain. If there HAS to be normally hidden detail, a detailed smokebox interior and opening door would be my vote, as much more frequently seen, as would be ash spillage staining from that door area.
I guess the cleaner who worked on this just had really long arms and likes clean safety valves. Yes I agree about the tender. I’d love to see Hornby have a go a the Standard 5MT given they’ve already got some of the tenders tooled…
You mentioned using the Humbrol 'smoke' weathering powder on the smoke box etc but I have just bought the same one and it seemed a bit too light grey straight out the jar. Do you mix it with darker powders before applying or did I get a slightly lighter version?
Hmm no I just put it straight on. The one I have is this:
uk.hornby.com/products/weathering-powder-smoke-28ml-av0004?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAibeuBhAAEiwAiXBoJLbzZT6TuLjwgn9fVKdyBBNTeSedNb_Z7lg9mw-nw3Utwd4gIZSUWxoCfK4QAvD_BwE
@@MouldyRaspberryThat's interesting as the one I have is the same one 'smoke' shade but in the plastic jar with a screw lid.
Yours looks slightly darker though...
Strange.
Is yours darker or is it the same stuff?
Hello, I was wondering. Do you have a bachmann 5mt, if so is it a coog model and worth buying?
Yes I do have one. It’s really good, I love mine
- even though it’s a older model now. You can get them pretty cheap second hand as well.
Wow, just wow!
Thanks!
When you investigated the poor running did you check the inside of the gear box? It is probably full of grease that is starting to coagulate thus causing poor running, if so, clean it all out and then lubricate the gears with a smidgen of light oil. This should improve the running of your 9F considerably. My only gripe with this new 9F is the smoke deflectors, they should be metal not plastic.
Thanks for the suggestion - it just needed some extra oil and a good run in 👍🏻
excellent clip enjoyed it
Thanks!
Good job
Thanks 👍🏻
Lovely job, do watch that motor it's the type that is known to fail.
Thanks. Yes I can’t believe they’re still using them!
Can you please do 76114 and 92211 pulling twelve coaches on The Pines Express?
A new tooling for the 9F's was long overdue. I believe the previous one was 50 years old! Hornby appear to have done an excellent job with this model except for one issue.
They've used the same motor as in the S15s and B12s which seem to have quality control issues. Some run fine, others have shown poor torque and a significant drop off in performance after a short period of running. I have two B12s and so far no problems, but I know plenty of other people haven't been so lucky.
Hornby must be aware of this issue as numerous models have been returned to them for replacement motors, so why are they still using this suspect motor in new releases instead of one they know is reliable, e.g. the one used in their Princess class?
Some of the decision making at Hornby is truly baffling. You make a superb model and then say: "I know what, we'll chuck in a suspect motor!"🤪 It's like they enjoy shooting themselves in the foot!
Yep it’s a shame, it feels like a bit of a lottery whether you get a good runner or a dud which is very annoying!
It is a fact that motors made in china are just rubbish. Out of 10 there's only 1 working as it should. But QC doesn't exist in china and Hornby is only interested in making profit. Sad !
They shoot themselves in the head every time they raise their prices. They are as bad as Bachmann. I won't pay their prices and only buy second hand train stock these days.
@@GaryNumeroUno I follow you and regret these pricing but then again - if you would buy a Trix, Märklin, Roco etc. the prices are just double. Yes, better quality, especially the motor and gearing. But ....there are still some new Hornby loco's around for fantastic prices. Like the O1, K1, J15 etc...
@@GaryNumeroUno I'm the same, the only time I buy new models is if one of the model shops is selling old stock at a hefty discount. You have to keep your eye out for these though, as they sell out very quickly.
Wat stone walling is tha lew and lovely loco and brilliant video pal 👍🏻
Thanks! It’s from Osbourne Models, it’s made out of foam 👍🏻
I tried close coupling mine to see if it would run on my layout like that but also found the draw bar to be too long. Tried turning it round too and having the long end in the tender but that doesn't fit either. Will just leave it as standard
Ah that’s interesting, I tried turning it around as well with no luck.
Hello Mouldy,
Wonderful masterclass - as always
I would be interested if you could advise on a replacement motor to the one installed?
Yours
ross
Thanks Ross. I’ve got no idea I’ve never changed a motor before - are you thinking of changing the one in yours?
Looks cracking 👌
Thanks!
Do you have any videos showcasing your 9F? I wanna go watch one but I don’t know which to go to.
Yes I've had a Bachmann and a Hornby one. Much prefer the Hornby one myself - my Bachmann one was always slowing down on curves and the valve gear went on floppy.
@@MouldyRaspberry well, now I’d love to see them both in a video. :D
Great weathering! Those coal pieces look the perfect size, where are they from?
Thanks Adam. They’re from a company called Geoscenics 👍🏻
Beautiful models but I can’t believe the prices that the new 9F’s go for in online retail stores staggering.
Yes very expensive, but everything seems to be now
@@MouldyRaspberry that’s true.
WHOA why does it keep shaking back and forth or is that the DCC thing that you set that wobbles all your trains back and forth to find them?
My layout is DC 👍🏻
Overall, it is a good model, but ruined by a poor electric motor. At first glance, I had decided to remove her from my shopping list due to the issue with the poorly performing motor. and, honestly, with the overall excellent aspect of this engine, I hesitate now... I expect some aftermarket kit to replace the motor, it exists in Germany for some old Roco N scale locomotives.
As usual, your weathering work largely improves the original. I love your touch when it come to put the right kind of dirt with the right dose at the right place. That's art for me.
Still in balance after that to buy this one. I want a 9F in OO, and my actual Bachman model is a lemon, and I can't bet on a forthcoming Dapol one (they already have one in N).
Anyway, thanks for the show. Always great !
Thanks Olivier. Yep it’s a strange one that they keep using those same motors. I wonder if the new Black Five will be the same story…
@@MouldyRaspberry Hope they won't do it... Anyway, if someones wants to do some clever business by providing remotorizing kits for Hornby locomotives, he's got a customer with me.
For my own, I won't take the bet on a theoretical possibility to remotorize this one without doing everything by your own, of wait for a remote, if not forever non-existent, commercial possibility to do so. I'm running my engines, a shelf queen is no use for me.
A lot of reviews have commented on the poor choice of motor and its lack of torque, and poor starting, which is a shame as in all other departments Hornby have pulled the stops out and produced a cracking looking loco. I would be disappointed if I had paid the full £252 asking price.
Nice weathering... very industrial look to such a workhorse...
Thanks Malcolm. Yes I agree - I would be miffed as well, luckily I managed to get mine cheaper than that, but still a very expensive model.
Definitely one of your better jobs - looks much more realistic.
I really don't like the bright rims Hornby always use on their locomotives - the weathering removed much of this.
I still think the Bachmann LOOKS slightly better ... 'though it's much closer now.
Al.
Thanks Al. No I’m not a fan of the rims either.
Does that 9f have the light up firebox
Yes it does.
Does reasonably good airbrush weathering detract from a models value?
Yes maybe a little bit.
Very pretty loco, but I've heard these new Hornby 9Fs are under-powered, and tend to slow down badly on tighter curves. Not good for a model costing as much as this does. It looks really good on your amazing layout though.
Yes I did see that. Mine runs fine on third radius curves, but I’ll see how many coaches I can get it to haul on the big layout in the week - that will be a good test!
Compared with Bachmann's 9F which has a substantial power plant, I understand the Hornby loco has a rather small electric motor, so avoiding the 'size matters' issue, I have a question for you. On your larger layout, how does it run with a full rake twelve or even eighteen coaches?
It does make it round my layout with 10 coaches, just needs a bit of juice. It does slow down a bit on curves/gradients though.
It does make it round my layout with 10 coaches, just needs a bit of juice. It does slow down a bit on curves/gradients though.
Hi I've got a quick question do you run dcc or analog?
Analogue 👍🏻
@@MouldyRaspberry nice runs really smooth and looks fantastic keep up the great work👍
Great!!!
Thanks!
I lubed my one and it can pull two bricks on two flatbeds ,literally
Wow 🤣
front lamp pointing the wrong way
Looks right to me 👍🏻
Sorry nice weathering but no amount of cosmetic will change the fact Hornby just sell junk at a high cost...but yeah try on a Bachmann next 😉
They’re not that bad I don’t think. I did have a Bachmann 9F, but sold it because it wasn’t much good so I ended up selling it on.
If it were me id never weather a new loco
Fair enough 👍🏻
@@MouldyRaspberry but i love the way it turned out
looks so weird seeing a British loco with a knuckle coupler.
True, but it looks even weirder seeing them with the massive tension lock coupling you get on British model trains as standard!
Mighty? What a joke! 9F tractive effort 39,667 lbs vs PRR Clas I1s 2-10-0 (built 1916-1923) 96.000 lbs, I1sa 2-10-0 102,027 lbs PRR 2-8-0 Class H6 (built 1899-1901) 42,717 lbs. The 9F would be sold to 1920's era short lines who needed the extra axle to spread out the weight Great Western #90 (built 1924) 48,960 lbs. Let's talk about real railroads, not glorified toy trains
Some interesting opinions…
Pity it has a rubbish motor and can't pull very much. Plus Hornby just pulled a stupid price out of thin air.
Mine manages 11 coaches round my layout - but it’s not as powerful as it should be.
why ruin an expensive model by dawbing needless paint etc over it completely ruined
I disagree 👍🏻