Having Trouble with MASKING FLUID
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- Today I've been having trouble with masking fluid, so I filmed the blue stain that the old masking fluid left, so I could share it with you all.
At the same time, I tried a new masking fluid. Now I like to stick with the same, well-used and tested art supplies, but even I have to step out of my comfort zone occasionally! I was actually very impressed with the Pebeo Drawing Gum, it seemed to perform just as well as my normal masking fluid. I've not tested it rigorously, so maybe I will revisit this subject in a later CZcams video and see whether it is still living up to my initial findings. Let me know in the comments below if you would be interested in a follow-up video. Take a look and see what you think, and let me know if there is another fluid that I should be trying instead.
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00:00 Having trouble with masking fluid
00:10 My usual "SAA Blue Mask"
01:19 The old masking fluid is leaving a blue stain on the paper
02:23 Pebeo Drawing Gum (latex free)
03:26 Applying Pebeo Drawing Gum to my watercolour painting
04:02 Removing Pebeo Drawing Gum after applying a background wash
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What is your preferred masking fluid? * Leave me a comment* , I would love to know, and for more masking fluid tips head here next: bit.ly/3oSnMR4
I've used Pebeo Drawing Gum (North America) for several years and am still using the same bottle. Have no problem with it. However, unlike yours mine is made of natural latex. Also have a SAA Fineliner which I bought to use for masking off fine lines. Doesn't work for me--the masking fluid in the bottle is so liquid that I just get big blobs. Good for filling in large areas, but not fine lines. Maybe it is my technique?
@@susanchristoffersen3980 Hi Susan, that's really good to know. As mentioned, Pebeo is a new one to me, you know how easy it is to get stuck with the same brand of materials and not trying new things sometimes. 🙄
I very often use a cocktail stick to quickly flick out wet masking fluid for those finer lines, in my case especially hairs, but you have to do this very quickly, you know how soon this product dries! Thank you very much. Paul 🎨
Paul, thanks for the info, as usual! I have used several different types of masking, and they all dry out and go "off" after a bit. I find one can give it a good shake, and then tap down the bottle to let the bubbles settle, and then wait a half hour or so to let them disperse. Pebeo can also be diluted with water. The longer one leaves any masking on the paper, the harder it is to get off, and the more likely to stain. Also, direct sunlight "bakes" it into the paper, so never dry it with a heat source, like a hair dryer. The thicker it is applied, the less any masking "crumbles" upon removal. An inexpensive set of clay molding tools made with rubber type tips are great for application. The masking just peels off, so no worries about brush damage.
Hi Joy, excellent words and all those things I completely agree with. One thing I never do is leave masking fluid on my paper for anything more than one day. Thank you very much for the tips as well. Paul 🎨
You can water down Pebeo (which is the best in my opinion!) but I'm not sure about the latex-free. Never used it. You can also apply Pebeo to damp paper for softer edges. Test it on every type of paper that you use first, and make sure everything is fully dry before removing. Don't shake your masking fluid! I use glass marbles in my bottles, (enough to keep the level high) and turn them over once a day. The air in the bottle will make the fluid go bad faster. You can buy empty masking pens and fill it with pebeo for thin lines, or pour it into a fineliner bottle. Happy painting!
Hi Christie, yes one thing I tell my members is to not shake the bottle, it's a big no, no. Far too many bubbles going on to be able to use it. I like the idea of the glass marbles, thank you. Paul 🎨
Store bottle upside down... so stand it on the cap. I never get the dried up latex at the opening of the bottle, it doesn't need to be kept full, and I never had a bottle go bad since I've kept the bottle this way. I use pebeo drawing gum, hands down the best one out on the market in my opinion. Like you stated, it can be thinned and applied to damp paper for softer edges. I also use Frisket Extra tack clear film... it is specially designed for use on cold press and rough watercolor paper and boards. It comes in different size rolls, the roll I have will cover an entire Imperial sheet of watercolor paper. The rolls last for a long time, and you can cut out or make any shape you want. It doesn't leak underneath like the regular low tack frisket film does. I use that for watercolor wet in wet backrounds and airbrush work a ton. I always have a roll in my studio and bindery. Cheers
Very informative and interesting. Thanks Paul
Thanks for watching Darlene. 😀
Thanks for all your tips with masking fluid. Most of my art group friends hesitate to use it because it’s so expensive and goes off before they can use it up.
Your suggestion of pouring a bit out and using that instead of using out of the main bottle is a good one. Keeps air and contamination out. I like to pour mine into a tiny wide mouth jar that’s about an inch high and use out of that. Found the jars at the art supply store. You can keep the jar from tipping over by securing it in a hole you’ve drilled in a small block of wood.
Going to make good use of the texturing idea of the brush smashed into a weird shape in the fluid. Oh fun!
Hi Augusta, I do like your idea of a drilled block of wood for the masking fluid. One little tip as well would be to keep the threads and the lid of the bottle very clean, just to help keep it all airtight inside. Have fun with the texture brush idea, everyone will come out different. Paul 🎨
I have had nothing but problems with the pebeo. It tears my paper no matter what I do. Yes we are talking about student grade paper but I literally cannot get it off after even a half hour of it being dry.
I gave up and went out and bought winsor and newton with the yellow tint. I hope it works. Definitely test it on a scrap to make sure you don’t ruin your painting as I did.
Hi Jes, isn't that odd though, many people including myself do like it. As you say it must be to do with your paper, I personally use a mid-range paper which is Bockingford. It's not the expensive cotton rag, but more natural materials with cotton felt used for the texture, I do find it very nice to work with. Paul 🎨
I wasn't aware it didn't age well, thank you. I now know to watch for that.
You're welcome Bonnie, thanks for watching. Paul 🎨
I use the W&N one that has a lighter colour and there is no chance to stain the paper. In order to make it last longer I add after each use some drops of ammonia that I buy it from the pharmacy. And I never shake the bottle. You have to stir it ( with a chopstick or something similar ) and never shake it and keep it in a dark and cool place. That is how you can make it last longer. If you start shaking it that's it.. It will dry in a matter of days. ( it doesn't dry actually. It becomes like a chewing gum... bliah).
Hi Creative Colours, it's sounds like you do many things I do, especially by not shaking the jar and ending up with loads of bubbles which are unusable until it re-settles. I use a cocktail stick or the end of an old size 00 brush to lightly stir mine, which works fine. Obviously this depends on the size of the container of course. I've never thought of adding ammonia to the fluid though, a good idea! Paul 🎨
@@TheDevonArtist Shaking the bottle is the death of masking fluid. I don't know why they don't write this as a warning on the bottles.
All making fluids contain ammonia. It is what they use to dilute the liquid latex that masking fluid actually is.
You can use ammonia to preserve and clean the pens or old brushes that you use to apply the masking fluid.
Put a little bit in a very small container, ( something like a bottle cap) and then clean your tools in there either while you use the masking fluid or afterwards. Then wash them with water.
Don't throw this used ammonia in the sink though because it will leave a film of latex into the pipes. Empty it on a piece of paper towel and throw it to the bin.
And take care to use ammonia into a well ventilated room.
So grateful for your suggestions with the ammonia. Especially the cleaning the brushes with it. It’s probably better than the method I’ve used of running a pin through the bristles and out to the end.
I was going to get Pebeo next as I run out. I didn't know it is latex free. Thank you!
It does seem to have a different feel to it. Plus when I tried this make it seems to peel off nicely as well, for me quite easily.
I must have bought some new-but-actually-old fluid, cos I have a pen and a refill bottle for said pen and neither will come off my paper without tearing it to shreds (talking 300gsm cold press here, not cheap paper) or leaving a blue mark on it. It's frustrating, just can't get a handle on the stuff!
It can be tricky to use and get right. I now mostly use the non-latex version which comes off really easily, and it's called Pebeo Drawing Gum, a very handy addition to my painting gear. Below is my affiliate link, but you may wish to possibly purchase it nearer to your own location. bit.ly/3BL102d
I really love Pebeo and didn't have any problems with it before, but today I used it and it left a stain after an hour or two.
My theory is that as it gets older and you have to remove dried bits, the concentration of the dye becomes stronger and that's why we notice stains. It's just my theory though, based on nothing. This is very frustrating. I'm thinking of switching to a colorless masking fluid
Thank you very much. I am new to Pebeo so I will remember this advice. Paul 🎨
@@TheDevonArtist You're welcome. Also, I don't know if it makes a difference, but I'm using the natural latex version
@@cccsssish thank you very much. 🤓
I had a Winsor & Newton masking fluid. I used it on a painting and it worked fine. 3 years later now, I can see a random yellow stain in some areas that I think was the masking fluid. Have you had this happen to you before? Any ideas or tips how I might be able to fix it?
Hi Chi B, I did purchase some Winsor & Newton masking fluid once, but never used it! I decided to go down the route of a blue colour, so I can see where I placed it onto the paper. 😀
But no, I have to say I've never had the issue of where I had placed the fluid yellowing over time, very odd indeed. Anyone else reading this that may have some ideas, please post below. Paul 🎨
On your recommendation, I just bought a brand new Pebeo masking fluid online, Freshly opened it boy, it smells very strong. Does that mean it's gone off?
I don't know Mindy, my Pebeo hardly smells at all, then again, I haven't got the best sense of smell. If you have bit's floating inside it, then it may be off, but because this is a non-latex fluid, I can't be certain. Paul 🎨
I haven't used masking fluid but after watching your vid I might consider buying Pebeo. Have you tried Winsor and Newton masking fluid? Which one is better? I'm worried that it may turn bad in the long run, considering it is 75 ml. It will take a long time before it gets empty.
Hi Adrian, yes I have tried the Winsor & Newton one and I do like it, but I prefer a more coloured fluid, so I can see where it is on the paper. There were times I thought I removed all the mask and then ended up painting over some, wondering why the paint wouldn't soak in! LOL
Once a bottle has been opened, I try to use it within a year, as you say it can go off, and the smell certainly changes. I'm considering switching to Pepeo once I've used up my current supply, of which I have quite a lot! I don't know the longevity of Pebeo yet though..... Paul 🙄
@@TheDevonArtist thank you so much for the info. This is a big help:)
@@_Adrian_Llarena_ You're welcome Adrian, try to think of paintings where you can use your masking fluid, using various ways of applying it. It can be fun to use. :-)
@@TheDevonArtist I'm considering buying the Pebeo instead. Since it is latex-free, it's easier to clean the brush after its use. The Winsor and Newton one is known to ruin brushes.
@@TheDevonArtist I'm considering buying the Pebeo instead. Since it is latex-free, it's easier to clean the brush after its use. The Winsor and Newton one is known to ruin brushes.