Thanks for all these videos, been using them as inspiration for my TR pathfinder a lot this league. Switching to an adorned setup isn't all that expensive, just a bit time consuming. I've been farming my own delve bosses and buying the cheaper vaal fragments, and then farming sulphite whilst building alva temples to double corrupt jewels that i've rolled to fractured 8% dot multi / 7% life. Can easily put together a decent setup this way in a day or two. Really nice when you hit some of the good implicits like reduced curse and mana reservation. Can also just buy a good starting adorned for 10d or so and save yourself the hassle of delving!
Hihi, thank you so much for the update! It's cool to see where our builds have diverged from initially. Couldn't agree more with tides of time feeling absolutely insane and one of my fav uniques so far. I have some suggestions if you're looking for additional tech/QoL: The Perandus Pact with % chaos damage or % chaos res (to change gear) socketed either near scion or above charisma gets some insane value. 30% quality divine life flask felt like a pretty big upgrade for me when trying to tune up survivability 2x large with unspeakable gifts instead of unholy grace giving explosions at the cost of some damage has made my clear go up to 11 and it's super satisfying Thank you again for the build guide though, has made my Necropolis experience a lot better.
Thank you for your awesome videos, I really like them! Got a question: how would you approach a mana switch in terms of tree/gear? I cant see how you fit in 3 auras still beeing able to use divine blessing + malevolence setup..
We put out a video talking about this (and other things) a little before the league start: czcams.com/video/lIewlI-TJ1Y/video.html Unfortunately, because the mana flask suffix was also removed, you can't use Divine Blessing with a mana setup. It's not the end of the world, but it does mean you have to sacrifice one of your other auras, most likely Purity of Elements.
So how exactly do you play the single target matchups? Do you weave in CA every now and then, or do you just go raw on the TR? With regards to mana; I've been trying to go Manaforged, but the mana reqs. are pretty rough. I can fit Haste/Malevolance/Grace with an Enligthen 3, and a level 6 Clarity on top, and it barely runs. The Diadem setup seems much more comfortable, in comparison. How does the damage differ?
Pure TR is better for single-target damage against a stationary target. If they move around at all, CA will provide a bit better ground coverage, so you can weave them in occasionally while a boss is moving or you're being forced to move by mechanics and not lose quite as much damage uptime as pure TR. You don't need Clarity to be anything higher than level 1. The damage between the two is fairly similar, the Manaforged Arrows setup's main appeal is QoL. It may deal a bit more damage due to Culling Strike & Frenzy Charges, but it's not a massive difference.
Hey, have a question. In your POB, your Toxic Rain skill is lvl 30. My character's Toxic Rain is currently at lvl 28. One of those levels I'm missing coz my empower support gem is still lvl 3. Where am I missing the other level though? I do have the lvl from awakened Void Manipulation, I'm using the endgame bow from your build and my TR base gem is 21.
Hello First of all , thank you for what you doing and for all your work! Can i ask you , how to setup flasks with mageblood? I assume its silver/quicksilver , topaz for lightning coil and then? Even with additional nodes on tree ( experimented little bit ) i cant get perma progenesis and taste of hate flasks, so what should i remove and what to add to make it tankier? I dont like this seconds of being out of flask effects like progenesis and taste of hate , cause this seconds can be really important when fighting some end game bosses. I have +- same build as you.
Progenesis really is the best in slot flask for Pathfinder because it just adds so much defensive value. It's possible to get 100% uptime, but it will need to be extremely well-rolled and you will need to use a lot of Tawhoa Herbalist tattoos if you're not using The Tides of Time. The removal of Hillock +28% Flask Crafting through Betrayal made it a lot harder to guarantee 100% uptime. You can potentially corrupt it up to higher quality, but that's quite a gamble with a Progenesis!
@@PathofEvening Thank you. And what the other 3? Like i mentioned with ToH, Prog , Silver/Quick and Topaz? Or what the best option ? And is it important to have life flask ? Any options to make pf regen/recoup life without life flask , not losing dps ? Really like your build so far , but those question just coming out and i am not that experienced to get the answers.
The only way to sustain life without a Life Flask is to use a Defiance of Destiny instead of a +2 neck. It's an option, but it will sacrifice a lot of damage. Silver & Quicksilver are very good, arguably must-haves. Taste of Hate is good, but probably not better than a Topaz Flask if you're using Mageblood.
Can i suggest something as an additional to your build ? Perandus Pact Jewel with chaos damage. Its not that expensive and gives huge amount of dmg. I placed it near aura circle, socket on the path leading to skill effect duration nodes.
@PathofEvening corrupted gem implict? I have never seen something like this before tbh, what about dropping stun immune in flask for it? Attack speed its going to hurt to much 😪
Yup. TR of Withering has 60% less base duration than normal TR and it doesn't slow, so it's significantly weaker as a damage skill, only useful as a support skill for hitting 15 stacks faster. Meanwhile TR of Sporeburst is basically a Poison direct damage skill on a weird delay. They got real weird with the Transcended versions.
@@PathofEvening ah I had been running CAoP this whole time since like lvl 12 (just hit 90) and it was loosing oomph but I vaaled it to lvl 21 so I didn’t want to let it go lol. Just got a vaalcaustic arrow and im seeing the clear difference clear as day. Appreciate the info 🙏🙏
After the flask change that gives +max res to element I decided to give a try and go for max all res. If you use Enlighten lvl 4 in diadem and then put Sovereignty on an amulet you could add Purity of Lightning easly. Then with Topaz Flask and -4% max res Melding of the Flesh I'm sitting at 89% max all res and still planning to get a good +1 max res Lightning Coil chest to get 90% max all res. The only thing I had to do was to start using +20% all res suffix on one flask to cap my resistances. I feel extremly tanky now.
Hello! I'm still "new" to POE, I ligue start with Pcoc then Pcoc of bouncing, that was fun i clear every non uber boss and did all my voidstone very easily. I decide to start from 0 with toxic rain/caustic arrow. i've got ok build but i dnt know how to scale my damage. Caustic arrow give me a good clear but on the boss i dnt have enouth dps. I want to ligue start this for the next ligue but if i can't understand how scale my damage without spending 5/6 div in cluster it's dead With pcoc i did my voidstone with 4 link in my gloves and nothing else xd Edit, curse on hit make so much that pretty insane
We've made a whole series of videos about Toxic Rain Pathfinder from league start to clearing t17's and Uber bosses that should be able to answer your questions: czcams.com/play/PLrM10FjC_LKhdyIpdD0ohE6TfdpcQqZ8a.html
You can run a damage setup in a Manaforged Arrows link, but the mana cost will be very high, so you will want to run Lifetap in there as well to zero the mana cost. This means it's really only a 4-link. A better solution is to run a utility MA setup, with TR of Withering, Frenzy, and Ensnaring Arrow supported by Manaforged Arrows, GMP, and Culling Strike. They will all be able to trigger on CD, and the Frenzy Charges, the Wither uptime, the slow from Ensnaring Arrow, and the Cull will add a lot of damage!
You can check the league start PoB (in the description), which has setups from league start all the way through Mageblood! In general, you'd probably want to shift out of Flask uptime and into other valuable stats like damage and defense!
Because it is. For Pathfinders, Tides of Time provides vastly more defensive value and consistency than Mageblood. All Mageblood has over it is a bit more Quicksilver and Silver Flask Effect.
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Thanks for all these videos, been using them as inspiration for my TR pathfinder a lot this league. Switching to an adorned setup isn't all that expensive, just a bit time consuming. I've been farming my own delve bosses and buying the cheaper vaal fragments, and then farming sulphite whilst building alva temples to double corrupt jewels that i've rolled to fractured 8% dot multi / 7% life. Can easily put together a decent setup this way in a day or two. Really nice when you hit some of the good implicits like reduced curse and mana reservation. Can also just buy a good starting adorned for 10d or so and save yourself the hassle of delving!
Very smart! Sounds like you're slamming!
Hihi, thank you so much for the update! It's cool to see where our builds have diverged from initially. Couldn't agree more with tides of time feeling absolutely insane and one of my fav uniques so far.
I have some suggestions if you're looking for additional tech/QoL:
The Perandus Pact with % chaos damage or % chaos res (to change gear) socketed either near scion or above charisma gets some insane value.
30% quality divine life flask felt like a pretty big upgrade for me when trying to tune up survivability
2x large with unspeakable gifts instead of unholy grace giving explosions at the cost of some damage has made my clear go up to 11 and it's super satisfying
Thank you again for the build guide though, has made my Necropolis experience a lot better.
hihi
Good suggestions!
Thanks. That's a pro tip with that The Perandus Pact, never heard of that jewel but i give my 138% increased chaos damage!
If you skin transfer a Widowhail onto your weapon, it perfectly matches the Night Lotus TR + purple theme.
Good call!
Thank you for your awesome videos, I really like them! Got a question: how would you approach a mana switch in terms of tree/gear? I cant see how you fit in 3 auras still beeing able to use divine blessing + malevolence setup..
We put out a video talking about this (and other things) a little before the league start: czcams.com/video/lIewlI-TJ1Y/video.html
Unfortunately, because the mana flask suffix was also removed, you can't use Divine Blessing with a mana setup. It's not the end of the world, but it does mean you have to sacrifice one of your other auras, most likely Purity of Elements.
Quicksilver flask should also be a damage buff. Due to it increasing action speed. Unless GGG has changed that and I didn’t realize it.
It is!
So how exactly do you play the single target matchups? Do you weave in CA every now and then, or do you just go raw on the TR? With regards to mana; I've been trying to go Manaforged, but the mana reqs. are pretty rough. I can fit Haste/Malevolance/Grace with an Enligthen 3, and a level 6 Clarity on top, and it barely runs. The Diadem setup seems much more comfortable, in comparison. How does the damage differ?
Pure TR is better for single-target damage against a stationary target. If they move around at all, CA will provide a bit better ground coverage, so you can weave them in occasionally while a boss is moving or you're being forced to move by mechanics and not lose quite as much damage uptime as pure TR.
You don't need Clarity to be anything higher than level 1. The damage between the two is fairly similar, the Manaforged Arrows setup's main appeal is QoL. It may deal a bit more damage due to Culling Strike & Frenzy Charges, but it's not a massive difference.
My update to my lvl 98 toxic rain is. I sold everything and built frostnova of frostbolts with around 50 div. I deal damage now
Okay.
Where u having dps issues? I'm wondering if it's worth for me to continue to gear mine up or look for something else lol
Just depends on whether you like the playstyle. It isn't having any problems clearing juiced T17's.
@@PathofEvening I enjoy killing both bosses and maps and I feel like tr was only good at one of those
Hey, have a question.
In your POB, your Toxic Rain skill is lvl 30. My character's Toxic Rain is currently at lvl 28. One of those levels I'm missing coz my empower support gem is still lvl 3. Where am I missing the other level though? I do have the lvl from awakened Void Manipulation, I'm using the endgame bow from your build and my TR base gem is 21.
Amulet, most likely.
Hello
First of all , thank you for what you doing and for all your work!
Can i ask you , how to setup flasks with mageblood? I assume its silver/quicksilver , topaz for lightning coil and then? Even with additional nodes on tree ( experimented little bit ) i cant get perma progenesis and taste of hate flasks, so what should i remove and what to add to make it tankier? I dont like this seconds of being out of flask effects like progenesis and taste of hate , cause this seconds can be really important when fighting some end game bosses. I have +- same build as you.
Progenesis really is the best in slot flask for Pathfinder because it just adds so much defensive value. It's possible to get 100% uptime, but it will need to be extremely well-rolled and you will need to use a lot of Tawhoa Herbalist tattoos if you're not using The Tides of Time. The removal of Hillock +28% Flask Crafting through Betrayal made it a lot harder to guarantee 100% uptime. You can potentially corrupt it up to higher quality, but that's quite a gamble with a Progenesis!
@@PathofEvening Thank you. And what the other 3? Like i mentioned with ToH, Prog , Silver/Quick and Topaz? Or what the best option ? And is it important to have life flask ? Any options to make pf regen/recoup life without life flask , not losing dps ? Really like your build so far , but those question just coming out and i am not that experienced to get the answers.
The only way to sustain life without a Life Flask is to use a Defiance of Destiny instead of a +2 neck. It's an option, but it will sacrifice a lot of damage.
Silver & Quicksilver are very good, arguably must-haves. Taste of Hate is good, but probably not better than a Topaz Flask if you're using Mageblood.
@@PathofEvening Thank you a lot. Gonna wait your next video. Good luck and have fun :)
Can i suggest something as an additional to your build ? Perandus Pact Jewel with chaos damage. Its not that expensive and gives huge amount of dmg. I placed it near aura circle, socket on the path leading to skill effect duration nodes.
Good suggestion!
Hey, I know it's kinda old video but I wonder if you can get curse immunity in order to farm simulacrum safely , thanks for the answer 😊
You can get it through corrupted gem implicits or by dropping AS as a flask suffix.
@PathofEvening corrupted gem implict? I have never seen something like this before tbh, what about dropping stun immune in flask for it? Attack speed its going to hurt to much 😪
You could, but you might get stunlocked to death.
@@PathofEvening oh that is not very healthy....:(
thanks haha
Daaammnnn Im going to have to make a pathfinder now... XD
Yup!
Thanks for the guide. Really impressive setup. Uhmm Toxic Rain or Toxic Rain of Withering?
You have withering from ascendancy
Yup. TR of Withering has 60% less base duration than normal TR and it doesn't slow, so it's significantly weaker as a damage skill, only useful as a support skill for hitting 15 stacks faster.
Meanwhile TR of Sporeburst is basically a Poison direct damage skill on a weird delay. They got real weird with the Transcended versions.
@@PathofEvening Thanks for saving league for me with this build.
of course!
Is there a minimum map tier I can farm Jun missions for diadem? For instance, can I farm tier 1 maps, get to Catarina and possibly pull a diadem?
Yep.
Would caustic arrow of poison work just as well with this setup instead of Vaal caustic arrow?
Not really, you'd need to pick up 60% Poison Chance elsewhere and that really spreads your points too thin since it won't interact with TR at all.
@@PathofEvening ah I had been running CAoP this whole time since like lvl 12 (just hit 90) and it was loosing oomph but I vaaled it to lvl 21 so I didn’t want to let it go lol. Just got a vaalcaustic arrow and im seeing the clear difference clear as day. Appreciate the info 🙏🙏
how much does it cost to craft the endgame bow? wondering if its cheaper to selfcraft than to buy
About 5-10 Divines, depends on how good/lucky your rolls are and whether you're willing to settle with a low roll on the Hunter Chaos Damage prefix.
After the flask change that gives +max res to element I decided to give a try and go for max all res. If you use Enlighten lvl 4 in diadem and then put Sovereignty on an amulet you could add Purity of Lightning easly. Then with Topaz Flask and -4% max res Melding of the Flesh I'm sitting at 89% max all res and still planning to get a good +1 max res Lightning Coil chest to get 90% max all res. The only thing I had to do was to start using +20% all res suffix on one flask to cap my resistances. I feel extremly tanky now.
That's pretty creative!
obviously widowhail fits perfectly to nightfall
True!
Hello! I'm still "new" to POE, I ligue start with Pcoc then Pcoc of bouncing, that was fun i clear every non uber boss and did all my voidstone very easily.
I decide to start from 0 with toxic rain/caustic arrow. i've got ok build but i dnt know how to scale my damage. Caustic arrow give me a good clear but on the boss i dnt have enouth dps.
I want to ligue start this for the next ligue but if i can't understand how scale my damage without spending 5/6 div in cluster it's dead
With pcoc i did my voidstone with 4 link in my gloves and nothing else xd
Edit, curse on hit make so much that pretty insane
We've made a whole series of videos about Toxic Rain Pathfinder from league start to clearing t17's and Uber bosses that should be able to answer your questions: czcams.com/play/PLrM10FjC_LKhdyIpdD0ohE6TfdpcQqZ8a.html
so im trying this build again do you think a manaforged arrow linked with toxic rain would be good ?
nevermind got to the part where you said it would be good . what gem would you re[lace with manaforged arrow
You can run a damage setup in a Manaforged Arrows link, but the mana cost will be very high, so you will want to run Lifetap in there as well to zero the mana cost. This means it's really only a 4-link. A better solution is to run a utility MA setup, with TR of Withering, Frenzy, and Ensnaring Arrow supported by Manaforged Arrows, GMP, and Culling Strike. They will all be able to trigger on CD, and the Frenzy Charges, the Wither uptime, the slow from Ensnaring Arrow, and the Cull will add a lot of damage!
@@PathofEvening thanks bro long live toxic rain ✊🏾
what was ur setup when u went into smooth t17 farming ?
This!
@@PathofEvening so earlier was much harder to run t17s?
Yup!
If I want to use mageblood, what can I edit on the tree?
You can check the league start PoB (in the description), which has setups from league start all the way through Mageblood! In general, you'd probably want to shift out of Flask uptime and into other valuable stats like damage and defense!
Would it make sense to sell HH and get Tides of Time instead?
Depends on if you'll want HH later. Farming up 5 divines is pretty easy!
can i use like maraketh bow and craft these bow ?
No, the attack speed is slower.
Why are you saying this belt is better than mageblood?
Because it is.
For Pathfinders, Tides of Time provides vastly more defensive value and consistency than Mageblood. All Mageblood has over it is a bit more Quicksilver and Silver Flask Effect.
@@PathofEvening what about the stats on Mageblood too?
whats the name of the hideout ?
Atlas Hideout. It's no longer available.