Disney’s D23 Was A Monumental Let Down
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LJ Milone - Hey everyone, love the show! So, after seeing the reveals from D23, I am not too excited about anything. I mean I am looking forward to Mandalorian season 3, but I knew that was coming. The Marvel shows and upcoming movies they presented along with the Star Wars presentation just did not grab me. I mean not much on the Fantastic 4 front. Was D23 a let-down, maybe even a missed opportunity to excite fans? Is it just me? Is there anything from D23 you guys are excited about?
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John spent weeks telling viewers that the San Diego Comic-Con panel revealed nohing and that D23 would blow it out of the water. He was wrong, and he's pissed about it.
100% he’s a joke!
@@jw.2507 Imagine being 50 years-old and being upset nothing was revealed at a D23 panel.
I think we all need to collectively ignore "scoops" and "rumors" from now on. They're the main reasons people get their hopes up, and every time they get things wrong, people still for some reason believe them.
I think Comic-Con was moreso the reason ppl got letdown…the overwhelming expectation was that Marvel was gonna go light on Comic-Con and save the big stuff for D23. A Disney exclusive event. Instead, Marvel went big for Comic-Con, and with so much still to be revealed, the expectation for D23 only grew. Because this is, again, a Disney exclusive again. And yet, Marvel went softer for D23 than they did Comic-Con.
I think it was a bit of both. But all the rumored casting in the recent weeks, and scoopers declaring that d23 was gonna have major announcements certainly didn't help.
I think the height of this scoops and rumors was all of the rumors around MoM and none of it being true.
About damn time somebody says this. It makes me so mad that people will STILL even to this day, believe in those leakers and scoopers on the internet, no matter how good their track records are. And then when that specific announcent doesn't happen at all from them, guess what? All of those people will blame the company for those announcents not being revealed, because of some random person who has alot of followers and/or a verified checkmark gets a lot of attention from mainly the hard-core fans, and starts being mad for no reason. At this point, I would just listen and see for myself on the announcents happening from Disney, that way I won't have to end up getting disappointed mostly. But that's just me.
@@retroman5432 with you on this rumors and supposed leaks are just people wanting what they want. Disney never said anything or alluded to anything unless they said then it is people speculating and then get mad for not getting what they wanted.
The Secret Wars announcement was huge.
John downplayed the comic-con stuff to support his narrative "disney is witholding stuff from comic con to announce at D23" but the reveals at comic-con were massive and downplaying that isn't really being honest.
Let's be honest here, John DID get his expectations up, like many people, and got let down. They weren't going to announce a ton of new projects because they just did that at Comic Con. Would Fantastic 4 casting have been great? Yes, but that movie is still over 2 years away! I agree that it was pretty disappointing (Harrison Ford's appearance was the only thing that caught my interest) but also this seems like John being mad because he got burnt.
John let his speculation become expectation
This what happens when you set your expectations too high. That’s why I don’t theorize much. I’d rather be surprised than disappointed.
Aka campea is butthurt he didn't get his media spot.
Lol man John mad because he couldn't get in the club
I gotta disagree about Tales of the Jedi. That show looks great. It’ll finally give us Count Dooku’s backstory. It’s bringing back Liam Neeson as Qui gon. They’re finally fleshing out Yaddle as a character. And we get more of Anakin and Ahsoka which is one of the best if not the best relationship in all of Star Wars.
John hates the prequels, not surprised
John just isn't that excited about Star Wars animated projects.
I love that Cris Carr and Ray were the voice of reason and not crying and bashing like John is from all the speculation we all as fans set up for ourselves. They're trying so hard to make this sound waaaay worse than what this is. We were shown so much (yes, from things we know about but have not seen yet) to get hyped over. I think they're just mad because they didn't get in. Other CZcamsrs got in and said they loved it.
Something doesn't feel right about your take. John is irrational in emotion sometimes, but haven't you ever even one time backed up a rant by him? Do you think he doesn't know what he's talking about at this point? I don't like John very much, but I enjoy when he is genuine, and this was genuine emotion this time. I don't care if I agree or disagree, I just like him to be honest with himself and what he wants. It's better than when HE looks down on other fans for having overly high expectations.
Because they didn't pay soo much to get there and not able to attend
To your point it is expected that if you're seeing footage live and in the midst of a hype event that it is more enjoyable @Samuel Champion
Being outside of that, it is at the same time true that of one expected big news to come out of such an event, there was a lack of surprises, so the live experience wouldn't trump that.
It is fine to enjoy it and fine not to think it delivered based on being in the situation they were in compared to their co-hosts and to other CZcamsrs. And yes, being burnt would color things but all in all both sides of this take on what D23 was are founded in my opinion.
Wow fandom is fickle as fuck!!! Isn't it crazy listening to all the shit that both John and Rob are saying?! It's the exact opposite of what they were saying after this year's call H panel at Comic Con. Was I a little disappointed? Of course but they never specifically said they would announce the rest of phase six at D23. Even though they did do that at the previous D23, the problem with both lucasfilm as well as Marvel Studios is I don't think they have anything left to show right now, I think they showed just about everything they could.
John; Lying his ass off, He know he was expecting a whole bunch of new stuff and his mad they didn’t do anything
Facts….
According to a journalist from Deadline (I forget which one), the reason why the Fantastic Four cast wasn't announced is nothing is locked down. Feige also wants input from director Matt Shakman regarding casting and Shakman just got the job.
I hope to God Shakman doesn’t try to cast an almost 50 year old Glen Howerton as Reed. I really do dislike that fantasy for that reason. Reed is barely that old currently in the comics.
I'm sorry but John you sound SO entitled here. I understand how your situation of not getting in to the panel has exacerbated your displeasure with the event but you have most definitely set yourself up for disappointment with your previous speculation/hype videos and topics leading up to this event. This is D23, not Marvel/Lucasfilm 23. Those were just one day out of 3 of Disney announcements. We just got spoiled with a ton of new announcements at SDCC. How far into the future do you expect them to make ground-breaking announcements for before they start over promising and underdelivering. I guarantee if you got in the panel, you would have changed your tune by seeing the exclusive footage shown to attendees. At the end of the day, who cares? Ya'll take this so seriously. We have more news today than we did 3 days ago...isn't that a win? I for one got more hyped for many projects now; particularly Jedi Tales -- that looks so awesome!
Marvel has 18 projects currently announced. They talked about 11 of them in an hour’s timeframe.
The Internet: “why didn’t we get more!?!?!?!”
John Campea*
John Comic Con announced Thunderbolts and 2 Avengers movies. To me, this seemed a little personal to you, like you felt you wasted time and money. Which is fine, but isn’t very subjective coverage of the overall D23. Not everyone goes or tunes in just to hear new announcements.
Campea is so sanctimonious
Comic-Con was a nuclear explosion. Announcing kang dynasty and secret wars was one of their biggest announcements they’ve ever done. They gave everything release dates. Marvel hadn’t confirmed most of that stuff. Daredevil , thunderbolts, captain America 4, were all announced. Got the wakanda forever trailer. You are underselling Comic-Con and I’m not sure why. The only thing that could have topped Comic-Con was krasinski walking out as Reed Richard’s. U can be disappointed, but don’t act as if this could have one upped Comic-Con
And I also ask, in 2014 when they held their own event , they announced gave a ton of projects release dates that people new were coming. And they announced infinity war and at the time infinity war part 2. Civil war and Chadwick Bose man were the cherry on top of the announcement , but that is not that much different then what they did at Comic-Con months ago. And back then that was amazing and everybody thought so. I
Agreed
I’ll give I Wakanda Forever, but everything else was mid. Just titles to movies we already were coming. We new Kang would be the main villain. No surprises, casting news. No Ryan Reynolds’s. 😂
Every project “announced” at comic con had already been announced through news outlet interviews with the exception of the 2 avengers films. Now I agree with the point that it was still very exciting to see trailers for these projects and get more details about them but announcements means letting the public know of what’s happening and as i said they already did that over the year through news outlets. John is right saying they announced nothing new at d23 or at comic con (again with the exception of the avengers films which he acknowledged).
@@Anonymous-yr5pp fair point on the something new point, but Anything with x men is probably years and years away, do they even know who’s playing wolverine? Let’s focus on what we know, I would have loved an update on blade, but we didn’t get one. My big point was acting as if Comic-Con was no big deal and they were saving the bombs for D23. The biggest bomb they could have dropped was kang dynasty and secret wars. Sorry, the previous d23 announcing moon knight , ms marvel, and she hulk wasn’t that big of a deal. Although, I do agree with their point of the mcu is all over the place . Wakanda forever and ant man 3 hopefully get everything back into gear
Danm this dude standards are high af just appreciate what marvel and Disney put out low key this ep gave me a headache
Campea is butt hurt because he didn’t get in to the expo
Just because last D23 announced unknown shows doesn’t make that a precedent or a promise that every D23 will or need to be like that. The point is to showcase their upcoming content and they did that. Dozens of actors came on stage and talked with tons of exclusive footage as well for the people inside. I get feeling a bit disappointed but you seem to be more upset that your prediction was wrong John
Someone's still butt hurt he didn't get in....
John is still bitter about not being invited to the Mickey Mouse birthday party I see 😏😏😏
it's always "don't let your speculation become your expectations" so what happened now? you've been downplaying everything that was announced at SDCC when it was indeed great and setting yourself up for disappointment and hyping up your audience for 2 months and now you're bitter that you didn't get what you wanted when nothing was promised to you in the first place. you even constantly bring up how in 2019 they announced a lot of new stuff when the reality for the MCU panel was that announced Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk and Moon Knight and they only literally showed logos and a basic synopsis with no cast, no leads, nothing. the rest was pretty much the same movies and shows that were presented at SDCC with new cast members and details. that's exactly what happened this year too. it's honestly all on you and this "scooper"/"leaks"/"rumors" culture.
as for the "no roadmap" bit, it's really funny how y'all fell back to this narrative after they literally presented us AN ENTIRE NEW PHASE plus THE CULMINATION OF ANOTHER PHASE just 2 months ago (that cover more than 15 PROJECTS and over 3 years), that culmination being exactly the direction that was expected since they're doing multiverse stories: Kang/Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars. it's okay to rest and just let it sink in that maybe next time you can just wait, be serious and see what happens instead of acting like you were promised something that was never even promised.
Very well said!
John...your treatment of Lucasfilm animation was incredibly disrespectful.
Yeah. Tales of the Jedi looks amazing just like Clone Wars was and Bad Batch had some great episodes.
Just because he dosent like it does not mean no one cares about it, like we finally get the origin on count dooku and qui gon, and more yaddle stuff than we have ever seen, plus fills in gaps of ashokas story. Bad batch was a fine show, obviously won’t be peoples favorite when it literally only had one season, people will still get excited for another one .
John: “Marvel didn’t announce anything at the last comic con!”
*Kevin Feige at the last Comic a con announcing Avenger: Kang Dynasty, Avengers: Secret Wars, Daredevil: Born Again, Thunderbolts, and Captain America 4
I was thinking the same. He seemed really amped to overreact. Maybe because Disney kind of screwed him over....
He’s a baby hahahah
John you should have let your own expectations outside as you do with movies
No offence John but your disappointment IS due to your own speculation becoming expectation. You are bound to be disappointed if you buy into all the internet rumours and leaks. Personally I enjoyed the event and was happy with the announcements we got. There are already so many of projects coming within the next 2 years, so I'm glad that D23 focused on things that are already completed or on the way to being completed rather than on projects that are still 5 years down the line.
Couldn't agree more. John's words were that he believed "bombs would be dropped". If he's expecting bombs but he doesn't get bombs, he's gonna be disappointed.
It's fair to argue that Marvel perhaps should have skipped SDCC and announced everything at D23.
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Yeah he’s always preaching that and here he is lmao love him but yes I also think it’s cause of the mishandling of the event with media passes and all that too
@@Sadzilla that's definitely a big part of it, I think. That sucked how Disney handled it and I think someone over there owes him an apology for the miscommunication and poor handling of the event access. I felt really bad for him that he spent all that money and wasted his time going down there.
this!! his rants have been SO EXHAUSTING lately mainly due to him not taking HIS OWN ADVICE
Waite, what is John talking about? He said Kevin Feige didn't present any thing new at comic con because they were saving every thing for D23. They told us about both Avenger Movies. We didn't know about either one of those. So I'm confused by were he says that the things told to us at comic con were all known things.
7:55 I have never seen John lose his mind like that. I almost spit my drink. But on a serious note, as a fan of the show this was a bit of an overreaction. Despite John’s attempt to explain speculation vs expectation, that’s exactly what happened to John. The show spends too much time tossing around theories on conventions and films, that it literally became the expectation
I think Disney did this on purpose. Follow me on this:
I just read an article that talked about Marvel having problems with leakers, and them not really knowing what to do about it. What if Marvel put together a plan to single handedly discredit a bunch of leakers at the same time? Marvel puts a bunch of leaks to known leakers, some with great reputations, about what is going to be announced at D23. Then, they do the exact opposite, damaging the leakers credibility, and calling into question casting info/ storyline info already floating around the internet.
… I took an edible an hour ago, so maybe I’m a bit paranoid.
Why should fans suffer because of the leakers? Deal with these leaks privately and dont let it affect fans enthusiasm. Plus there are so many leaks and scoops revealed everyday by various people that most of them end up not being even true
Too many people got hyped up about the "scoops" ahead of time. Also, I fundamentally disagree that "D23 Was A Monumental Let Down" but maybe that is because I'm looking at everything the expo had to offer, not just one panel. The Step in Time (Disney Archives exhibit) was incredible, the World of Dreams (Parks exhibit) was incredible, they unveiled the new title card for the Disney films for the 100th anniversary. Trailers for Hocus Pocus 2 (I'm very excited for this), Disenchanted, and Little Mermaid (breathtaking), more information about the upcoming slate of films and series for Disney and Pixar (I'm very intrigued by Elemental, Elio, and Wish). The trailer for Werewolf By Night looks great, trailer for Secret Invasion looks great, lineup for Thunderbolts looks great, Santa Clauses looks like fun, National Treasure: Edge of History looks good, Percy Jackson looks good, a Pentatonix holiday special for D+ (they had me as soon as they said Pentatonix), Rev Run is bringing The Hip Hop Nutcracker to D+, Muppet Christmas Carol full version coming to D+ in December (announced during the 30th anniversary celebration panel), a performance by Dr Teeth and the Electric Mayhem to promote new series for D+, a new Mickey documentary releasing on his "birthday" on D+. For parks Disneyland unveiled a Mandalorian w/ Grogu meet and greet is coming to Galaxy's Edge in November, Hulk is coming to Avengers Campus in DCA this very soon (they said "next week" during the panel), a new Avengers Multiverse attraction is getting added to Avengers Campus in DCA, heroes from the multiverse will team up to fight King Thanos, a Thanos that won. the Pacific Wharf food court in DCA is getting a facelift to become San Fransokyo from Big Hero 6, a brand new Mickey and Minnie dark ride is opening in Toon Town (Disneyland) in early 2023 (before Tron opens at WDW), Tiana's Bayou Adventure replacement of Splash Mountain sounds intriguing, and Disneyland's New Orleans Square will be getting a gift shop inspired by Eudora (her mom), as well as Tiana's restaurant (likely replacing the French Market restaurant as that one already hosts a jazz band frequently), plus the return of a daytime parade for Disneyland in January, and new fireworks and World of Color shows for Disney100. And they teased that WDW *MIGHT* (they were noncommittal) be getting an expansion for Magic Kingdom that would add areas for Coco, Encanto, and Disney Villains. Really the only big omission for me was that they didn't say anything about the (former) Tarzan's Treehouse at Disneyland which has been closed for over a year and has not had a replacement theme announced yet.
I’m sorry but it just sounds like letting speculation becoming expectations. D23 was fine, werewolf by night enough, trailers. Come on lol
I have to completely disagree with this take. D23 was only a let-down if someone let their "speculations" become their "expectations".
I went in with ZERO expectations and loved everything that was revealed. I know I'm in the minority on this, but that's why entertainment is subjective.
100%
As someone with 0 expectations, I was just a bit disappointed with the Marvel stuff. The other Disney stuff was fine, along with Star Wars, although I am disappointed we didn't get an Indiana Jones 5 Trailer or at least a title. The Thunderbolts lineup was okay, but I wasn't really excited about it anyway. Taskmaster being on the team is the only thing that disappointed me, but that is mostly because I hate her in Black Widow, so I hope they either give us a new Taskmaster or improve her in the movie. I was also hoping we would get at least the cast of the Fantastic Four, mostly so we can stop these rumors of who is going to play them. I wished they showed something about Deadpool 3, like some concept art of the film, like they did with Thunderbolts. Everything else about Marvel I was like "That's it?". Anyway, that's how I felt about D23. I'm not mad or anything, I guess I was hoping we would get more information on the Marvel stuff. Thanks for reading this random stranger on the internet
I guess speculation became expectation
I am witnessing a good Canadian boy's villain origin story
OMG this comment is Top Tier....🤣🤣🤣
Smh like a child who didn’t get he wanted for Christmas. I agree that it didn’t hit the way the last one did but I think marvel would benefit from being a little reserved until they are ready to drop big ones. Also isn’t D23 about all of Disney products they don’t have only rely on marvel and Lucas films honest those two juggernauts probably eclipse everything else that comes to the convention. Just my thoughts.
The last what? They announced less at every other D23 they’ve ever had.
I think John’s reception of the S23 was a little bit skewed because of his inability to get in which sucks yes but yeah
It’s hard to take this rant seriously. It’s obvious that John is having a hard time being objective since he wasn’t allowed into D23 this year.
My thought process exactly. I really do wonder what his opinion would have been if he was allowed
hes acting like the people he says other people not to be entitled brats
@@junglewind5833 exactly. He is acting very silly.
He wasn't allowed why because of the leaks with spiderman?!
People will stop complaining a week from now and life goes on.
Sounds like you guys let your speculation become your expectations. Not every event needs these big announcements such as new movies or characters. There can also be these smaller events with small announcements
I feel like John needs some help from his own channel's sponsor, Betterhelp😂
John is Uber pissed because he spent all that money on rooms
He definitely got Chapeked.
Y’all sound like spoiled little kids not getting what you want.
As much as he likes to preach to others about it, Campea clearly let his speculation become expectation and now hes whining like the people he's criticised in the past.
I think he clearly proves your point wrong in the video... Disney dropped the ball
@@eurongreyjoy2 He spent several videos telling viewers that this would blow the Comic-con panel out the water. He was wrong and he's angry about it.
Campea hate thanks to the fake invite he got for D23 as "press"
I don't think D23 is a let down.
People came in expecting too much from fan theories that they made up in their heads.
John is always going on about this whole “don’t let speculation become expectation” but when he doesn’t get what he wants he cries about it. Like Jesus Christ it’s your fault if you let your own expectations get the better of you.
He titles his videos with the most insane expectations and gets mad when they don’t happen.
This was embarrassing to watch. The man is a giant baby.
I totally agree.
JC must’ve held this in all weekend long. I might’ve done the same if I got denied too. 😂
No celebration next year.? No D23.? Yeah okay guy. We’ll keep the receipts. What a fool. 🤣💀
What John ignores in his D23 rant is that he is keyed in to Marvel and Star Wars more than the normal person. While I disagree with him in general that they needed to announce more than they did (Marvel already had 18 announced projects to talk about), what John also forgets is that while some of this info wasn’t new to him, it WAS new to a lot of other people.
Just look at his comments on the Disney/Pixar panel saying it was much better. Why? Because he’s not as keyed in to that area as much as Star Wars and Marvel. That stuff was new to him, just like some of the Marvel and Star Wars stuff is new to others.
He’s not looking at this objectively. He’s essentially an insider, at least compared to the average person. Even us watching this video likely know much more than the average person. To the average person, much of D23 was new information.
Further, the main focus of D23 is for the attendees. The attendees that were there got a lot. They got Indians Jones footage, Wakanda Forever footage, Ahsoka footage, Ant-Man footage, Secret Invasion footage, Mando footage and much more. They got to see casts on stage and listen to them. Harrison Ford being there wouldn’t be a big deal to John. But what about the 10yr old in the front row? Or a lifelong Star Wars and Indy fan? John’s met countless celebrities. Imagine being an average fan and being 20 feet from Harrison Ford.
I’d love to hear from fans who were actually there. I’m willing to bet the majority of them had a great time.
To say Marvel doesn’t have a road map is laughable when they literally have a mapped out timeline for all of us to follow. Y’all let your own expectations sour you on this. Who cares about the next X-men title is if they aren’t close to shooting it. We already know Deadpool 3 is coming. They already announced that. They don’t have any footage to show for it. I am excited so far on the direction they are going and really looking forward to the next couple of movies and shows coming out
I see the through line. If you sit back and take a look, you see the dots connecting between Black Widow, FatWS, She-Hulk, Secret Invasion, New World Order Black Panther, and Thunderbolts. And likely Ironheart and Armor Wars.
You also see another through line forming with WandaVision, Ms Marvel, The Marvels and also tying in Secret Invasion as well.
That D23 that John uses to promote precedence was really about promoting the launch of Disney+ it was a outlier when compared to all the previous years where the announcements were pretty lackluster.
Well put.
Okay just wanted to get this out
1- This was a D23 panel, there was time slots and they were used very effectively
2- the fact that you were on the outside looking in was a completely different experience to being there, I guarantee if John was in there he would of spoken of how much of a blast it was (context matters) you saw no new footage so you assumed it was nothing new
3- You are in a space, more so than us viewers where you hear constant rumours and leaks, you are in no way the average movie go-er, step out of your bubble
4- SDCC was Marvel going above and beyond absolutely spoiling us so then adding fine tuned details to projects that are closer to release makes sense
Also with Rob
What it sounds like is that you’re asking for all of the movies synopsis and blueprint to the MCU …at that point why even see the movies to see how they unravel? It’s sort of like giving me a poster for a movie and saying I have no idea where this goes, it’s not the fault of the poster, it’s me not finding out the context, again it all comes down to being contextual, you can’t lay down a puzzle with missing pieces and say I have no idea what this is, no you put it together, at that point just buy the puzzle premade
while d23 was dissapointing, I have ti disagree with you about comic con and no major announcement, they dropped not 1 but 2 avengers movies there! don't think anybody saw that coming, If there's any mistake disney made is that they dropped everything at comic con, they should have saved the avengers announcement for D23. Also they need to spread out their announcement, if the annoucned everything now they'd have nothing else to announce for a few years, the missing phase 6 projects can be announced later, their not imminent. The one major thing for which they had no excuse thoug is the lack of star wars movie announcement, what the hell is disney playing at there, why did we hear nothing about taiki waititi's project, the only thing I can possibly think of is after kathleen kennedy having egg on her face too many with changed directors and cancelled movies she doesn't want to announce anything until she's absolutely sure, which doesn't really excuse it, that's a big problem of hers, she can't get on the same page as her directors. Overall though while I am dissapointed I can see the reaons why we didn't get as much as were were hoping for.
why is he so mad
He spent money in travel and lodging expecting to get a press pass to get into the Con and was advised the day before by Disney that his passes were not approved. He was then advised to report to the regular media line at a specified time and went early only to find out that where he was told to go was the wrong line and when he got to the line he actually needed to be in, all of the passes for media & press were soldout. I think he has a valid gripe with the way Disney handled the situation with the press passes in not giving him enough time to make a decision to go or not go to the Con. Everything else he is griping about is a byproduct of salty manbaby tears.
Bro is 50 years old surrounded by toys and he’s making fun of animation 😂 someone’s a little salty they couldn’t get in
.... I think I just saw a monumental meltdown
Glad Kris brought some positive clarity. it wasn’t that bad!
I just feel when people get they hopes up for what they want and they don’t get it they get upset and call it failure because what they speculated. D23 was more then just marvel and they let out a lot of info and trailers as a entirely as a company. I liked everything they showed. People get out of your own heads it ain’t about you or what you want. Appreciate what you get and when the time comes for the other stuff then it will be.
Complains about seeing the same characters from Tales of the Jedi yet points out Ewan McGregor reappearing as Obi Wan as a key highlight from last year’s D23. Complete contradiction.
It’s interesting how Rob as a comic book reader is confused about the lack of narrative momentum as he calls it, when the comics are very similar in that regard. There’ll be stories going on in the comics that have absolutely zero correlation sometimes, other times they’ll be directly impacted. The Thunderbolts don’t have to directly impact the F4 and Secret Wars. Blade doesn’t have to impact the multiverse saga, it’ll be in its own supernatural corner of the universe for when we get to Midnight Sons. Not EVERYTHING needs to be connected given the amount of characters and teams that exist in Marvel comics and eventually will exist in the MCU. MoM did it’s job; destroyed the Darkhold across the multiverse which could definitely have future impact, along with introducing the concept of incursions (which MCU 616 Strange caused one). Loki S1 did it’s job of narratively pushing forward how the multiverse is becoming a factor. The individual projects themselves in P4 have been up and down imo, but it’s not for a “lack of direction” or momentum at all imo. For me personally even without knowing the future projects announced, it’s been fairly obvious where it’ll all eventually lead to given the multiverse was involved
I'm starting to think John cares way too much about this shit.
@@parveenakhter981 lmao. Best way to put it
Its literally his job
John 98% of the world doesnt even know what D23 is let anyone give a fuck about any announces. Sure all of us are disappointed but it doesn’t really matter 🤷🏻♂️
Jeez such strong opinions towards animated content when it's been arguably the strongest star wars content alongside The Mandalorian.
I don’t even think it’s arguable tbh. The animated content is what kept my love for Star Wars alive during the period between the prequels and the Mandalorian
I think instead of saying ‘Disney’s D23 was a failure’. You really mean ‘The Lucas film and Marvel studios panel was a failure’. I know you addressed this, but you still drew all the attention to Star-wars and Marvel. I was dissatisfied by the panel as well, I think they had good ground work, but they needed a bomb. A big casting announcement or project reveal. However the Pixar, Disney animated and Disney live action section were quite exciting. Hocus Pocus 2, Disenchanted and LITTLE MERMAID!! Every person I chat to, talks about the little mermaid teaser. I think your perspective, as someone who is really focused on Star-wars and Marvel, is that this was a let down. But I think the difference between Comic-Con and D23 is that Comic-Com is for marvel only and that D23 is for all Disney. That’s why you lumping Disney as just Marvel and Star-wars is unfair to the other projects and movies that aren’t part of the major two franchises.
What did y'all put in Campea's coffee?
Hesienberg did it
Thank God for Mrs Cris Karr 19:07 and Ray 25:12 giving a more realistic view of the general fans reaction to D23. Don't mean to be that guy, but John and Rob sound bitter about not being allowed access. I get it, your hurt. But I don't think the general audience felt as bad as the guys did. I was super excited and hyped for those trailers and my feed is full of nothing but hype and praise. Idk just seems that way to me. 🤷🏽♂️
That’s exactly how it was for me too. All of the star wars trailers, as well as the MCU trailers and posters that dropped made for a pretty fun experience for me personally. I’m still buzzing about the Secret Invasion and Mandalorian trailers lol
you said "absolute failure". wow. everything is bad? nothing's new? like we didn't get anything? i think you're just expecting too much.
John, love the show and you, but I feel your actions answered the question. I feel the strange truth is that with media outreach today that D23 don't need to release anything till they are a few months away
John just makes shit up at this point. Prior to this year the only new MCU projects announced at D23 were Moon Knight, She-Hulk, and Ms Marvel. They’ve never announced new movies there and this year was the most new information they’ve ever given out.
I knew SDCC was gonna be bigger than D23. Expectations were too high also at D23. Me personally wasn’t let down too much because I had a weird feeling that they were gonna rehash the same projects announced from SDCC. So ppl being super disappointed, tbh that’s on you. Me personally SDCC is always gonna be bigger than D23, always have been. D23 has never been bigger than SDCC
Okay, John is acting so entitled here. Not everyone knows every single thing like you do, D23 was plenty exciting for everyone. Also, how much do you want them to announce. There is a dozen projects announced and in the works. I know you didn't get into the expo but this is plain entitlement here.
Clearly the level of a person's disappointment (and in John's case, unhinged rage) is directly tied to what they were expecting from D23. Didn't expect that much (like Kris) you're a little bummed they didn't do more, but you're okay. If you expected "bomb after bomb" like John... well, let's just say it's a good thing his name's not Bruce Banner.
@@gaeron1305 Exactly, why host this event with minimal announcements
I'm not saying he doesn't have a right to be disappointed. Hell, I think we all feel that. I was hoping to finally get an announcement on a Nova project. I'm bummed, sure. I completely agree when John says that D23 was a missed opportunity. But was it a "monumental let down" like the title of this video suggests? Only if you were expecting"bomb after bomb after bomb".
If anything was a monumental let down, it was how Disney handled John's access to this event. He's completely justified in being angry at that. Is some of his anger from that manifesting itself in the lack of D23 announcements? Probably... which is why I'll still tune in -- after he takes a few days to cool off.
What you say about nobody saying Bad Batch is there favorite animated show is kinda moronic. Ever seen anyone say Harley Quinn is their favorite animated show and you still talk about that. And there are TONS of things you love that reused characters we see a lot so kinda weird your hating on Tales of the Jedi so much
Ray coming up clutch with the most sensible comment right at the end. “Why not advertise what coming out soon because stuff like FF cast would overshadow what’s coming out now”
He’s right 100%
I don't get all the disappointment in Disney and Marvel. They gave us the entire phase 5 slate, a handful of trailers and a few announcements at comic con then gave us another handful of trailers and some more announcements at D23. WB and DC gave us what 2 trailers and then cancelled their Fandome event who was the real disappointment here?
Someone from Marvel has mentioned that the Fantastic Four casting wasn't announced out of respect for the new director who deserves a chance to input his thoughts.
7:50 Not gonna lie, I’m kind of concerned for John after seeing him react to Tales of the Jedi like this. It’s okay bro. It’s just a fan event. If ur not going to be happy, then don’t go.
I like this time point
John seems a bit…triggered…
Expecting something big is still speculation becoming expectation.
I might be in the minority here but I don’t mind we didn’t get the casting for F4 I mean that movie is still far away
As it stands what we did get I am really liking especially from Marvel, Phase 5 is looking promising
If anything Star Wars dropped the ball more I thought we’d get more there but Mando looks good and the Tales of the Jedi should be awesome!
I look at it this way. When Marvel made a return to Hall H this year they brought out the big guns. They literally gave us the rest of phase 4, all of phase 5 & parts of phase 6. I think going into D23 we we’re waiting for that “Thanos Moment” & it just never came. It didn’t leave us with that “Oh My God” feeling. I think above everything the two properties that everyone wants is Fantastic Four & X-Men. That needed to be the “Thanos Moment” of the weekend. John is right the energy level for Marvel is low. It’s ok, but it’s low. More than anything though I think we all feel this way cause for the first ever we’re trying to see how all the phases connect in the multiverse saga. Personally I feel like marvel hasn’t done a good job at leaving the bread crumbs like they did with the infinity saga, but that’s a rant for another day.
Cringe for john right now😂
I was right lol. I have "zero" expectations on D23 and ended up being cool with it.
Just a tip: Don't believe every bullshit rumors you read on the web when it comes to these conventions.
I hope he sticks to his convictions and never attends one of these events again, then.
Robs point is the biggest issue at the moment and that the films haven’t been as amazing is magnifying the issue
To be honest, I didn't expect anything to be brought up that isn't going to happen between now and the next D23 as far as Marvel goes.
I think this dude lost a large amount of money or something recently. Maybe he's having family issues. Prayers up for John.
@@ChristopherSmithNYC I mean his actual family. Someone not on the show.
@@ChristopherSmithNYC Right on
Guys every live show leading up to this you were speculating like crazy and were absolutely expecting banger after banger. They gave plenty of information I think it was far from a failure. A failure would’ve been black panther 2 footage then shows over.
They announced TWO pretty big Avengers films at Comic Con…?
I haven’t seen John go off like this since the Collider days lol
😂😂😂 John Rants hilarious...
For star wars I kinda understand the rant for marvel I never thought Comic con was not haymakers... How many things can Marvel really announce? They announced projects for the next two years now its time to shoot these projects not announce just more projects and casting for years and years to come they have future D23s to make those announcements
Yup. Marvel already has 18 projects announced. No need to announce anything else right now.
My man is upset lol
Because they didn’t let him in
I think he needs a vacation.
Getting Kristin Harloff vibes on this vid LOL
😅I know
They want people to get excited for the movies that are already announced.. Eat whats on your plate before you start asking what the next meal is.. Speaking about marvel specifically, there's a ton of movies coming up.. they brought out actors and directors to generate hype.. if you were expecting more that's your own fault..
I think the only biggest disappointment was the fact they didn't announce that a X-Men movie was in the works with a title card on screen.. people would have lost their shit...and at least a Deadpool 3 update...🤷
Agreed I’m actually more excited for X-men than FF
Yo! At 7:17 man, u can tell it’s personal for him😂
John being so passionate with his rant tells me he's salty he didn't get to go in the panel. I don't blame him. I would be too lol
Dude it’s not that deep, relax
Lol John is big mad about not getting into those Media rooms..
Why didn't they let him in?
@@ThaTawpDawg he did a whole video on how they basically strung him a long in emails.