Marmalade - Words of the World

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  • čas přidán 19. 07. 2024
  • Discussing the origins of the word marmalade. How did a Portuguese quince paste served for dessert end up as a citrus based breakfast jam?
    Featuring Mark Sabine from the University of Nottingham.
    This video was filmed and edited by Sean Riley.
    Words of the World is a project by Brady Haran - website at www.wordsoftheworld.co.uk/
    See the full list of Brady's video projects at: periodicvideos.blogspot.com/20...

Komentáře • 111

  • @Horton094
    @Horton094 Před 10 lety +562

    I just can't take this seriously after the ytp

  • @ThePlamzJoker
    @ThePlamzJoker Před 10 lety +456

    This video is a bit sensuous, and a bit sexy! Well done to Mark Sabine and his interesting information!

  • @DeoMachina
    @DeoMachina Před 11 lety +64

    So after hearing Mark's honeyed words, I went and bought some lemon marmalade, made some marmalade on toast with a big mug of tea and came back here to report.
    I've lived in the UK my whole life, but I've never felt so British as I do now.

  • @combatantlife
    @combatantlife Před 10 lety +165

    marmalade..........a bit sexy.

  • @ytpsheep6024
    @ytpsheep6024 Před 10 lety +160

    I found my next YTP victim! >:D

  • @Nilguiri
    @Nilguiri Před 11 lety +35

    In Spanish, mermelada still refers to any type of jam, not just citric fruits. e.g., "mermelada de fresa" is strawberry jam.
    Good Portuguese accent, btw.

  • @skuly2k
    @skuly2k Před 10 lety +121

    1:28

  • @AxeFielder
    @AxeFielder Před 11 lety +14

    It's a great thing that you guys made a video explaining the history behind marmalade - if someone that looks up to me had asked me about it before today, I would have been in a bit of a jam.

  • @TeamFortressFag
    @TeamFortressFag Před 10 lety +82

    Marmalade
    eyade

  • @YOMAMAXXL
    @YOMAMAXXL Před 10 lety +70

    Jizz
    Spelled J - I - Z - Z

  • @SlickSteven75
    @SlickSteven75 Před 10 lety +154

    I find this video incredibly boring BUTT I think Mark Sabine's a pretty good narrator!

  • @wordsoftheworld
    @wordsoftheworld  Před 11 lety +20

    fixed - thanks for spotting it!

  • @ruruandbennydoo
    @ruruandbennydoo Před 10 lety +62

    Marmalade comes from. Marmalade

  • @ancilodon
    @ancilodon Před 10 lety +43

    That ytp brought me here too. I did find this interesting though... still it also gave me an idea of the effort those three put into the video that just kills me.

  • @gamingmama3936
    @gamingmama3936 Před 11 lety +24

    I love how much history is wrapped up in each word that is discussed on this channel. Each of these videos is a great starting point for doing a little research and learning something new. This one in particular was completely new for me and very interesting- thanks for making it!

  • @EddyScbr
    @EddyScbr Před 11 lety +8

    I have to say: this professor's accent when talking in Portuguese is pretty good!

  • @blenderpanzi
    @blenderpanzi Před 11 lety +5

    In Austria "Marmelade" is the word for jam.
    A few years back there actually was a bit of a controversy where some EU regulation was meant to regulate how the label "Marmelade" should be used. They wanted it to be used the way you seem to use it and use "Konfitüre" for jam. "Konfitüre" sounds very foreign (German) to us and we felt it would be impudence to tell us how we should speak. But in the end nothing happened. We still use Marmelade as we used to (in speech and on products).

  • @fbNde
    @fbNde Před 10 lety +61

    the juice jumps into my mouth RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

  • @RenShredder
    @RenShredder Před 11 lety +5

    I really didn't know that marmalade was used in the english language only for citrus based jam. In german we have "Marmelade", which is our word for breakfast jam in general.

  • @Koptokaf
    @Koptokaf Před 11 lety +3

    I heard a different story of the origin of Marmalade. A Scottish Lord was married to a french lady of high birth. As she was from a more soothing climate she caught a nasty cold from time to time. Her mother had always told her, citrus fruit boiled and sweetened was the best cure for all ails. When her french handmaidens asked for this in the kitchen they said "La dame a malade" Witch means "The lady is ill". Through degradation of language "Marmalade" was to be the commoners name for the treat.

  • @Occidentally
    @Occidentally Před 10 lety +18

    Anyone know if there's a transcript of this video floating about?

  • @AlexanderKominek
    @AlexanderKominek Před 10 lety +27

    Thank you for not saying "Moulon Rouge"

  • @biohazara
    @biohazara Před 11 lety +5

    As a Portuguese with British relatives, I find this video very interesting, because I never understood why marmalade doesn't have anything to do with quince.
    In 5:51 "estar na marmelada" is more like making out / having sex, at least in my book. and FYI, "marmelos" = breasts (just like "melons" in English).
    BTW, Mark Sabine has a good Portuguese pronunciation! :)

  • @MinuteBookReports
    @MinuteBookReports Před 11 lety +4

    Great video. The history and detail reminds me of Good Eats.

  • @MadMothz
    @MadMothz Před 11 lety +19

    anyone else here because of dylancliff111?

  • @GrimrDirge
    @GrimrDirge Před 11 lety +1

    Excellent. I love this channel.

  • @mimicici13
    @mimicici13 Před 11 lety +2

    I've never tried marmalade, I think I'll have to do that now. You made it sound delicious.

  • @pkemrin
    @pkemrin Před 11 lety +2

    Thanks, you too. I just see too many people assume that their own lack of interest makes something uninteresting in general.
    I have a particular interest in linguistics, communication, etymology, theology, and storytelling as well lesser interests in mathematics, science, and what have you. Which makes videos on this channel of interest to me. Even this video. =)

  • @GetaVe
    @GetaVe Před 11 lety

    Fascinating!!

  • @nokomarie1963
    @nokomarie1963 Před 11 lety

    Pricey!

  • @Beth_Tyranny
    @Beth_Tyranny Před 11 lety +2

    Why the fuck is this so interesting? It shouldn't be but it is.

  • @won1853
    @won1853 Před 11 lety +1

    It's 1 AM where I live and this makes me hungry.

  • @DeoMachina
    @DeoMachina Před 11 lety +4

    I can honestly say I didn't know any of this!
    Also I'm really curious to know what's in his "Atlantis" folder.

  • @Mad.E
    @Mad.E Před 11 lety +1

    Totally different circumstances :) I live in the south of Germany and I love sweet stuff on my bread and it could really just be a "southern german thing" that we only say Marmelade. The only time I read those other words is on the packing of jelly/jam/marmalade !

  • @bryangrunauer
    @bryangrunauer Před 11 lety +4

    Your portuguese is so good! Amazing video, subscribed :)

  • @jboulger1
    @jboulger1 Před 11 lety +3

    Hey I don't know if anyone has ever told you, but you are really cool.

  • @limbus_patrum
    @limbus_patrum Před 11 lety

    That is interesting. In Poland we have "Marmolada", "Dżem" (Dż - is read like J in English), "Konfitura" (from German is suppose) and "Powidła" and your 'Gelee' (Żel - Ż is read like G in French) is our "Galaretka".

  • @genericusername2
    @genericusername2 Před 11 lety +1

    In Spanish the Mermelada is jam (any kind) but they call the solid quince block-thing Membrillo.

  • @chaosof99
    @chaosof99 Před 11 lety +1

    Here in austria we call any kind of jam "Marmelade" (english pronounciation: Muhr-may-luh-day).

  • @MeisterHaar
    @MeisterHaar Před 11 lety

    i read that it is even older in comes from the greek words for quince, melon and honey meli and the ending -ata for a food to mermelata wich they found in some claypots dating back to old rome. portuguese people were the first to useing real sugar and making really a lot of it.
    In german language marmelade means everything you would call a jam

  • @VideoGameMarimbist
    @VideoGameMarimbist Před 11 lety

    You guys should do some names that vary a lot across cultures like John, Peter, etc.

  • @pkemrin
    @pkemrin Před 11 lety +1

    Agreed.

  • @pkemrin
    @pkemrin Před 11 lety

    And I would agree. This is a video that interests me, on a channel that interests me. I belong here.

  • @2nd3rd1st
    @2nd3rd1st Před 11 lety

    The BBC programme Addicted to Pleasure, Ep.1 is dedicated to sugar. A very good documentary, I recommend it.

  • @theJozyk
    @theJozyk Před 11 lety +1

    Hmm. now i want som som marmalade. yum

  • @sirjimbothefirst
    @sirjimbothefirst Před 11 lety

    It seems that all of them are really good at their languages respectively.

  • @nokomarie1963
    @nokomarie1963 Před 11 lety

    There is an old story on the North Eastern coast of the USA (Choose your area of seaboard) claiming that marmalade was first created by an inveterate jam maker who found a load of Seville oranges washed up ashore in broken crates from a shipwreck. She couldn't bear to allow the ruined fruit go to waste and created marmalade. So the name would be "Marme laid the sugar on". Think of Marme from "Little Women". Untrue, of course but it does serve to sell a lot of marmalade in New England.

  • @mynameissarahred
    @mynameissarahred Před 11 lety +5

    Well what do you know, I always thought 'marmalade' came from French. I even heard a story involving something like "Mary est malade" (?) but wow, I've been enlightened, it's actually Portuguese! The more you know ~

  • @3nd0fw0r1d
    @3nd0fw0r1d Před 11 lety +1

    I can't help but notice that in the description it reads "desert" instead of "dessert".

  • @oscarcreminisfree
    @oscarcreminisfree Před 11 lety

    Something about a love of unusual pleasures wrapped up in ceremonial stuffiness seems pretty typically English to me... coming from Yorkshire. Also, This guy would be great to have a cup of tea with!

  • @nokomarie1963
    @nokomarie1963 Před 11 lety

    I know how it is. My sister twiddles her thumbs two days a week at MIT. A brother teaches history at a select college. Me, I'm a nurse. There is no glory or intellectual joy to be had in comparison to them.

  • @davidsweeney111
    @davidsweeney111 Před 11 lety +1

    Hi Lola, I'm not feeling as egotistical as I did yesterday, sorry if I offended, I guess this channel is ok, but my main interests are pure and applied mathematics and theoretical physics. Philosophy is great! If you think you are something, an independent self-existence, it is troubling to discover that at your centre is no-thing, you then might realize this is the very nature of everything. Also a result of quantum mechanics ;) Have a great one, David.

  • @lolabradford2247
    @lolabradford2247 Před 11 lety

    Actually whether or not one is intelligent is almost never a question worth reflecting upon. And what, may I ask, is the problem exactly with being impressed by trivial things? It contributes to the enjoyment of life.

  • @davidsweeney111
    @davidsweeney111 Před 11 lety +2

    It's ok you can calm down now I'm not feeling as egotistical as I did yesterday, its not a bad channel, it passes a bit of time and adds a little to your knowledge. It's great to see someone fight for what they love, so yes, nice set of defensive emails yesterday pkemrin old chap, well done! Have a great one - David.

  • @GlenGlenervo
    @GlenGlenervo Před 11 lety +1

    can we get a video on the origins of "sarcasm"?

  • @Mad.E
    @Mad.E Před 11 lety +1

    :) Yes, you're right.

  • @wafelsen
    @wafelsen Před 11 lety +1

    I don't speak French, but I wouldn't consider the phrase from "Lady Marmelade" so dirty that I'd be unwilling to translate it. Obviously it is suggestive, but it has no "bad words". I'm not sure why he wasn't willing to say that it means "do you want to sleep with me tonight".

  • @MrGuilhermeSilvano
    @MrGuilhermeSilvano Před 11 lety +1

    Here we use the word Mamelada as fiasco.
    Like; "They bailed out some criminals from fail!? What a marmelada!"

  • @gerritzimmermann3688
    @gerritzimmermann3688 Před 11 lety

    Yes, my dear, with pleasure. ;)
    It's a strangely incongruent world if you take into account that it actually is of better quality than Konfitüre (higher fruit content), but the word has an appeal just like "cardboard".

  • @CJonesApple
    @CJonesApple Před 11 lety

    I always thought since a kid that its origin was British India. Instead a different story still interesting but I would say just as dark as my older self would expect it to have been.

  • @udoloh
    @udoloh Před 11 lety

    Same in Germany. The first thing that comes to my mind if i hear the word "Marmelade" is strawberry.

  • @lolabradford2247
    @lolabradford2247 Před 11 lety

    At least now you can be confit in the knowledge that if you need the information, you'll have it.

  • @liketheduck
    @liketheduck Před 11 lety

    Do one in tea!

  • @davidsweeney111
    @davidsweeney111 Před 11 lety

    Yes I have had that comment a few times I must admit, it does take a lot of courage to stand up for what you honestly see and have the guts to speak your opinion, even though all the 'sheep' baa against you. I like Brady's other channels but my oh my this thing is boring !! I bet this guy has a real paid university job as well, geez !!

  • @gerritzimmermann3688
    @gerritzimmermann3688 Před 11 lety

    But at least Konfitüre isn't used colloquially.
    Legally only jam made of citrus fruit may be called Marmelade, but most people would deem you a litle strange, if you said "Reich mir mal die Erdbeer-Konfitüre" at the breakfast table.
    Oh, and going into legalims: there's "Fruchtaufstrich", too.

  • @lolabradford2247
    @lolabradford2247 Před 11 lety

    Have a nice day! I hope you find more entertainment in other channels.

  • @Koptokaf
    @Koptokaf Před 11 lety

    I guess it was a story meant to make marmalade a bit more interesting for me as a young boy :D

  • @AxeFielder
    @AxeFielder Před 11 lety

    At the same time, if I seemed like a know-it-all, people would get jelly of my knowledge.

  • @nandafprado
    @nandafprado Před 11 lety +1

    hahahaha OMG I'm brazilian and the yesterday me and my mom were talking about this. We were talking about something and my mom said "isso é marmelada" (wich would be a slang for this is a lie (bullsh**) and I asked her what REALLY was marmelada and she said it comes from marmelo I asked her what was marmelo and she didnt knew...Now I know!

  • @Brascofarian
    @Brascofarian Před 11 lety

    I've never drunk marmalade with tea and I don't know anyone who has.

  • @BeastOfTraal
    @BeastOfTraal Před 11 lety

    Instead of peanut butter an jelly sandwiches I eat almond butter and marmalade sandwiches.

  • @tbone2001
    @tbone2001 Před 11 lety +7

    Hard 'S'es here

  • @F1LL3R
    @F1LL3R Před 11 lety +1

    Isto tudo indica que os portugueses são bons a fazer marmelada?! =)

  • @lolabradford2247
    @lolabradford2247 Před 11 lety +1

    It would be hard to preserve your reputation?

  • @WardancerHB
    @WardancerHB Před 11 lety +1

    In German every jam is called Marmelade.

  • @GabrielKnightz
    @GabrielKnightz Před 11 lety +3

    Paddington Bear!!!

  • @jeebersjumpincryst
    @jeebersjumpincryst Před 11 lety

    I really hope I dont see u in any upcoming wotw vids dave. I like this channel, and i loved this episode. trivial is only a matter of opinion, and all opinions are equal and valid. I hope u have clicked the unsub button and arent just teasing me.

  • @davidsweeney111
    @davidsweeney111 Před 11 lety

    Very jealous! His starting salary is around £40k, I would love that job, I would never get bored ;)

  • @nokomarie1963
    @nokomarie1963 Před 11 lety

    Voulez-vous coucher avec moi ce soir, means: Do you want to sleep with me tonight? in French. Lady Marmalade might be taken as "Lady lay me", but only at a stretch.

  • @mattf1sh97
    @mattf1sh97 Před 11 lety

    yup

  • @Mad.E
    @Mad.E Před 11 lety +1

    For Germans everything, jelly, jam and marmalade are called "Marmelade" ... :)

  • @bryangrunauer
    @bryangrunauer Před 11 lety +1

    Didn't know he is Portuguese, sorry.

  • @lolabradford2247
    @lolabradford2247 Před 11 lety

    Can you do the word 'amateur'? I just like that etymologically it's someone who loves their job, but it's also got derogatory connotations and stuff. And the fact that it implies not getting paid now sort of speaks of our culturewide frustration with wage labor (communism ftw).

  • @tommos1
    @tommos1 Před 11 lety +2

    hey its the ginger guy from modern family.

  • @davidsweeney111
    @davidsweeney111 Před 11 lety

    Imagine what would happen if they encountered the real world! Some people seem to just fall into these cushy jobs don't they, my brother is a part time GP on £50k, and he only works Thursdays and Fridays, me I'm a bus driver, def no glory fighting through traffic every morning and evening !! That's why I don't have any time for the origins of fucking marmalade !!

  • @nonindividual
    @nonindividual Před 11 lety

    Related video: A Bit of Fry and Laurie -- Pass the Marmalade.

  • @Mad.E
    @Mad.E Před 11 lety

    Fruchtaufstrich ^^
    That would sound weeeiiiird :D
    "Kannst du mir mal den Fruchtaufstrich geben ?"

  • @ObiLumKenobi
    @ObiLumKenobi Před 11 lety +1

    Yes, but Marmelade came from the portuguese marmelada

  • @Mad.E
    @Mad.E Před 11 lety

    Well, yeah. But nobody really uses these words.

  • @lolabradford2247
    @lolabradford2247 Před 11 lety +1

    I appreciate not being condescended to, so thanks for that. I'm sorry, that was sarcastic, but to be honest you're not putting me in a great mood. Not your fault nor your problem.
    If you delve enough into philosophy you'll realize that nothing is of any real consequence, so why should we not take enjoyment when we can? Answer me that. I'm sorry that you can't find amusement in these trivial things; it must be difficult to find something important enough to make you happy.

  • @SpeedyDrawMcGraw
    @SpeedyDrawMcGraw Před 11 lety

    Do you eat Vegemite also?

  • @alexanderkoukoudakis7809
    @alexanderkoukoudakis7809 Před 11 lety +9

    The etymology of the word "marmalade" is incomplete and therefore inaccurate:
    marmelade < (portuguese) marmelada < marmelo < (latin) melimelum [-mélum] < (hellenistic greek) μελίμηλον, ie quince < μέλι + μήλον (honey + apple)
    Check a decent lexicon (such as oxford, webster, etymology-online) or a Greek etymology lexicon (e.g. G.Babiniotis - Etymology Lexicon).
    And please don't think world history is significant only for the last four or five centuries.

  • @Nilguiri
    @Nilguiri Před 11 lety

    They're pulling your plonker, mate! haha.

  • @davidsweeney111
    @davidsweeney111 Před 11 lety

    I have a right to my opinion just as you do. I also have a right to express my opinion. This channel is a dud, in my opinion, compared to Brady's other channels, that are more academically challenging. I suspect you are not an intelligent chap, impressed by, well, trivial things in life. A question worth asking and reflecting upon.

  • @Mojosbigstick
    @Mojosbigstick Před 11 lety

    I'll marmalise you!
    (Why no mention of that derivitive? Does it deserve a slot all its own?)

  • @nokomarie1963
    @nokomarie1963 Před 11 lety

    Jealous? He probably does.

  • @Real4Bas
    @Real4Bas Před 11 lety +2

    If you're bored, don't watch. Some of us find these videos interesting...

  • @ghafarfoladi8414
    @ghafarfoladi8414 Před 11 lety

    HA

  • @bryangrunauer
    @bryangrunauer Před 11 lety

    Ses (?)

  • @davidsweeney111
    @davidsweeney111 Před 11 lety

    Haha, I think you definitely belong here lol