Love this format. Sound clips of three comparable speakers provide a great reference point. The Sound Shed is truly paying dividends in the investments. Congrats Ron!
Why the fudge do you not have 2 million subscribers? You have the best, most informative, honest reviews on the web. Even though I can’t afford most of the equipment you review, it’s still an amazing educational experience. Time for your subscribers to spread the word about your channel
This is a revolutionary way to describe the sound of a speaker. Your viewers can follow your thoughts and verify it through the sound clips and understanding what you are describing. This takes away the subjective weight of using words or graphs as we have been accustomed to seeing from other reviewers. You should patent this method.
Thinking probably need to break in more? Somehow I had different experience with this speaker. I had this Comete 40th for about a year now & love it. Yes it did a bit toward bright at the beginning. It needed to break in about a recommended 200 hours according to my dealer and Triangle. Yes it was quite long but it loosened up the woofer and improved the drivers integration and more balanced. The bass improved over time. I also did not find the tweeter harsh or sibilance in fact it was very smooth and very good in conveying delicate detail especially with a well recorded music and good quality cables. The sound was vivid and lively. The Comete paired well with tube integrated amplifier and good quality cabling. it improved everything. At the end of the day I think it matters of individual’s taste and gear matching as with any other speakers.:)
break in is not considered to be a real thing. what is most likely happening, is that you are getting used to the sound after weeks of listening. but dont take my word for it, do your own research
Yes! I appreciate your perspective more. I am tired of people recommending KEF speakers to everyone. I am not particularly fond of the KEF sound signature. And I am objectively wrong in saying this. Trying different speakers in the same room without bias is so informative, almost mind blowing. The KEF L60 didn't impress me at all. And I have a strong preference for single driver speakers.
I am on my second year as owner of the 40th Anniversary Triangle Comete speakers. I really like these speakers in almost every way. My sources are Vinyl via a Dual 721 turntable with Ortofon OM20 cart. PSAudio BHK Signature Preamp into PrimaLuna EVO 300 tube amp. My other favorite speaker is the ELAC Signature UBR62's. I routinely swap these back into my system after listening to the Triangles. LOVE the ELAC's as well. They are more well-behaved and solid....but the Triangles are just more exciting. Keep up the great work, BTW!
I am an owner of Trianle Comete 40th anniversary and I think they sound amazing. Warm amp, sub in larger rooms and they make outstanding sound. Nothing here was said about soundstage, musicality, 3-dimensionality, analitic aspects, whether they are "emotionally" sounding. Only tonality was covered in this video, wchich is not everything. By the way: why the frequency range graph was only presented up from 200Hz? What about below? In Europe we are lucky - they cost around $ 1800-1900.😃
Those are good points. Speakers are all about personal preference. It depends on what you are looking for. However, he wasn't just comparing the speakers to each other, he was comparing them to a reference source. In other words, how a speaker should sound if it is not being coloured in some way. In all of those cases, the Triangles came out sounding the least accurate. As for musical, well thin sounding midrange is not musical to me. And emotional has no place in a review as that depends on the person listening. Soundstage is difficult to portray over CZcams, but I did not hear it mentioned and probably should have been. You are obviously compensating for the speakers wth a warm amp and a sub, and thats fine. What matters is the end result. But I think the review is not to bash the speaker but to give an idea of what sound to expect when purchasing the Triangles. It's not about praise, it is about an accurate depiction of what the speaker can do, and I would say Ron does that better than a lot of reviewers out there.
I had a pair at home to test them. I'm not very experienced with upper end audio gear and am running Elac UBR62's at the moment. And they are really great for what they are and I don't even want to compare them quality wise. But the Triangles immediately grabbed my soul. I was so emotional touched from them that I cried quite a lot just from the sound alone. The way they stage, layer and place instruments and the singers spoke to me and now I crave for that. The whole sound philosophy so to speak. I'll get a pair the next weeks/months. Either before I move or after. PLUS they are oh so gorgeous looking. The blond oak in particular for me. The price here in Germany with 1500€ is also great.
@@boneseyyl1060 I am not bashing Ron's review *at all* and I appreciate his methods tremendously, but I can say that these same speakers in my smaller, untreated, very normal living space sound light years better than they do in the sample clips here. The midrange is in no way "thin", I don't have a sub, nor do I have "warm" components feeding them (I'm a class d user, which tends to be cold as ice if you're not careful) And no, I'm not listening to the samples on these speakers ;) I have no doubt the speakers sound thin in his space - the clips sound quite bad, indeed - but again, I can only state that this doesn't reflect how they sound in my space at all. My best guess is the room size and placement are the factors that make a difference here since those are the biggest factors in "real" life for all of us. Yes this room is "perfectly" treated but it's also HUGE and has unusually high ceilings. This *will* change the sound - and in some cases maybe not for the better. Consider these speakers are specced for rooms < 25 qm which is max 5x5m on square. Given he has them placed what looks like about 3m from the rear wall, I'm guessing the space is just too large and that explains why the Comete's sound like they are yelling from a cavern.
I own these and for low to medium volumes they excel, to much the tweeter tends to breakup (rated 90W). They are a mixed bag on paper and front ports have energy The tweeter for a horn is designed well,up top is never fatiguing just* and tone has great strengths. Also SET tube/SS class A amps are cream on my Comete 40th. Thank you Triangle.
The "bright" response in the 5K-15K range is nearly meaningless IMO. The signature differences we're all hearing that are meaningful are driven by the weak bottom end (partly from being so far away from any walls) and that sharp peak from ~500-1400hz. I think a lot of people look at a response plot and try to think of the entire range as having the same "meaning" but it just isn't true. The bulk of audio energy in music happens from ~40hz-4Khz. I wouldn't focus too much on the response of a speaker above 5K as we're not very sensitive to it and most of the energy up there is not what we think of when we think of "treble." It's more like the "air" on top of treble. It just needs to be present, it doesn't need to be particularly "flat" up there to sound fine. Takes young ears to hear much of anything above 10K anyway. A few dB of response variance right smack in the middle of soprano vocal and very common octaves on many instruments... THAT is going to sound problematic.
Love how you’re incorporating sound clips with your observations. I, and other consumers, are always more interested in differences in sound than listening to any single component in isolation. Also, your recordings are fantastic! Hope to see tons more comparisons like this. Kudos!
Great format and teaching points on how to discern between equipment and how to best match my listening preference. This has been one of the best teaching format and looking forward for more reviews like this. Also, thank you for including the GR speaker into the mix as I’ve always wondered how’d they measured up. Very surprising.
I think the Triangles would do better closer to the wall and looking at the horizontal off-axis, it seems the top end falls more in line and they're counting on an untreated environment. However, it does seem that Triangle has gone more in favor of lean bass recently.
Here in Norway the triangle's are $1200 USD. The r3 are $2300 USD and the x-ls are not available. I think the US pricing on triangle is making them less competitive that what they really should be.
I love the articulate and revealing nature of the Triangles (even tho I'm a Kef fanboy) and I know I'll never need to dampen the cabinets by placing heavy towels on them. The Comete rate a 9/10 and look as great as they sound. PS I'm NOT French, so have no dog in this race
Thank you, someone is finally using the reference track to compare against the speakers. I wondered a while ago why people don’t do this. All of your observations were spot on to me.
i bought the cometes for 1100$ so im incredibly happy with em :), im more of a fan of the speakers coloring the music the most, and the amp coloring it the least
Firstly, thanks for using a metal track, as it is something most reviewers are lacking in videos like this. It is important to include as it is a style that kinda throws everything at you at once, and one needs good speakers to listen to that type of music. Us gitar nerds like details too, and we like it fast and heavy. Is the Kef R3 also a reference speaker you use, or just something you added as it is popular. It might have been more interesting with a Meta version in the future. I agree that the encore and Kef sound alike, and I have been looking into having a Kef too as I feel they both have something in common, but a slight difference which are both welcome to my ears. I feel like the Encore is a bit more rounded at times, which kinda makes it slightly warm, and the Kef maybe has some more directness in the high mids and treble. Anyway, might be interesting with the Kef LS 50 meta as the body is more rounded, which they claim will give a better off-axis response, which could be great for when having guests and multiple listening positions. Anyway, still eagerly waiting for the Arendal's review?? :)
Ron you deliver! Great review with real sound comparison. Even more happy that I jumped of the cliff in 2020 and listened to your review of Lundy’s Encores and then bought the kit from GR with upgraded parts and shipped all the way to Sweden. I love my speakers and sealed GR sub.
Great video, Ron! Happy to see you again. To me, it looks like Triangle chose to use no baffle step compensation on this speaker to keep the overall sensitivity higher. Definitely would expect more for the relative cost.
@@robertmarshall7712 and why would anyone assume they didn't apply it based on a single review? For goodness sake, anyone can easily find out how the speaker is actually designed. Nah - easier to just throw out phrases many people don't know, and criticize something you effectively know nothing about :D (not you - I hope that's obvious)
I like the A-B testing approach and the differences were obviously audible. I have to wonder why this review is out of step with virtually every other of the many reviews of the Komete 40th anniversary speakers?
100% Ron is a review beast. I still have to give the nod to his Salk Veracity review from years ago, as it's the vid that got me into both HiFi AND CZcams HiFi channels. Speaking of which: RIP Salk Sound (Jim is fine, just the business is shuttered).
I bought the Comete about a year ago after I auditioned them at the store. The are much cheaper in Europe 1300€ a pair. Well, it ended bringing them back the next day. High frequent was too much for my taste. Now I own a pair of trinagle 40th duettos and the are a complete different story.❤
I had Cometes for about 2 years. I didn't find them bright at all, but thought they were not full enough in voices and had a bit nasal tone. They were foot-tapping and quick though. Imaging was wery good too.
Ron, hands down for another great test. I’m a subscriber from the early hours and I like the path you walk today. Please keep up this fine work. Warm greetings from the Netherlands, Bram
Terrific review in a terrific review. In terms of natural sounding standmounts with strong bass performance, I am curious when you will review either the Dynaudio Evoke 10 or Dynaudio Contour 20i? As these are the two most balanced standmounts in the Dynaudio range and a sound which I am addicted to (when paired with a high current amplifier as they are low efficiency speakers).
Well done. I want to emphasize that the question in the end is framed. Ultimately, the buyer will go to a showroom and sample a bunch of speakers. The preference for one speaker or another is subjective. I understand that you have the point of view of a reviewer.
Aren’t these in the Santos Rosewood finish? I’ve had that finish and, in my system with Moonriver 404 Reference integrated amp, the Comete 40th sounded pretty good. Yes, they needed a sub, but the sound was clear and fairly musical.
Ron, I've seen your clips of the GR X-LS Encore's in your other video's, along with this one, and I'm struck by the similarity of the reference sound-clips to those reproduced in-room by the Encores. They sound pretty damned good.
Hmm, not all speakers need to be located in the exact same position in the room to sound their best, also toe-in might need to be adjusted individually. Not sure how the Comete reacts on improvements in this regard, but in the end I‘d assume some/many/most? speakers for that price do not end up in the middle of the room. But yes, the 3 speakers sound very different indeed.
Really dig the A/B:ing of the reference track combined with comparisons, A+ work! BTW, the GR Research was my favorite. Excellent sounding speaker, balanced all the way through the freq range and dark in comparison, but not too dark. I felt like I didn't lose too much information in the last sound clip, if that makes sense.
Triangle Duette 40th Anniversary speaker didn't have any of those descriptions as you stated on the Comete, I found the balance of their tweeter and woofer in the Duette to be the most balanced speaker I have heard out of any Monitor. Also as we age, we tend to gravitate more toward higher frequency because you tend to loose those first when we age.. Ironically I found the KEF to be kind of subdued.. The Comete definitely have more going on in the high frequencies, but they are also using a horn tweeter, which I normally never like. With the Duette's the speaker seems more balanced but I agree with your assumptions, as this is a hobby of perceptions and opinions.. You like what you like..... is the saying I use... Plus the Triangles excel with Tubes, it tones down the extra liveliness of the Triangles. Nada on the X-LS they were a toss up for 2nd choice! ;) The KEF sounded the closest, but placement can be key, and different equipment matching is helpful with some speakers, I would definitely pair the Triangles with Tubes.
I checked with GR Research, but I could not go through with it due to fears of harm to the beautiful looks of the Triangle speakers (the speaker drivers are not made to be removed, so removing them would, I believe, damage there beauty). So, I recalled that I had a Dirac license that I could give a 2nd try (I did not like the results on my first try). Wow, what a difference Dirac made. I will be loving these Triangle Comete speakers until I win the lottery.
Great comparison video and excellent production as always. I hate to bring this up here but it sort of started with your original review... When do we get to see the in- depth review of your delivered Caladans? Anxiously awaiting a production update from Clayton!
Wow…..really well done Ron. Discovered your channel and really enjoying your approach to reviews. Solid commentary , blended with data, and honest subjective and objective thoughts. Keep em coming! 😊
But does the trinagle comete sound bad,good ? Does a speaker only sound good if it sounds like a super flat studio monitor ? Dit you try all 3 speakers with an amp that has room correction and a mic the yamaha R-N1000A or the R-N2000A ? (digital in with yamahas)
but why would you want the speaker to sound good or bad? shouldn;t the music sound good or bad? would you rather listening to the music or the speaker? and this is the answer as to why we would want a super flat speaker. because it is not the job of the speaker to alter the music, it is the job of the studio to mix the music and the job of the speaker to play it
everything are preference tho, and even the most flat studio monitors all sounds different to each other. we buy speakers to simply enjoy music we like instead of criticising the recording good or bad
@@user-hy2jq4zf9c speakers sound different because they measure different in some aspect, could be directivity, dispersion, resonances and what have you. yes everything is preference but some times we need to grow out of our preferences just because it is what we are used to. To my mind we should have at least one part of the audio chain as being "reference", transparent, flat in order to have a constant point of reference. and to my mind that part are the speakers. otherwise you start talking about amplifier pairings and cables and what have you. so if you have a transparent system that simply reproduces the music exactly as it was mixed then if you dont like it you can use tone controls or EQ. my point is, if a speaker is not flat it should state it clearly that this speaker does not accurately reproduce the music but artificially alters the frequency responce. it is simple as that.
The great video I like the way you illustrate things. And to be honest, I thought in some cases, the kefs sounded the best of the three. I’m really curious if you’ve ever listened to PMCs and what you thought of them ?
I owned the Triangle Comete 40th anniversary and to be honest I struggled with them in all areas having had PMC tb2i for many years. They are very directional and require a 45 degree angle towing. Tonally they were very dark and were not easy to pair with amplifiers even-though the three solid-state amps I used were neutral. The audio lab 8300a matched the best, but Atoll IN200 signature had better dynamics as the speakers performed much better. My EL34 tube amp simply sounded very thick with them. The tweeters were very clear but bright and that made cymbals sound unnatural. Sonically, they changed quickly when moved farther from them. The mids were rich and the tweeters projected highs from within the horn so they were recessed, but I did improve this with kimber 4tc cable. In my opinion these are overrated with the Santos rosewood finish contributing to their appeal. By the way, if you install the metal rosegold cones with the metal discs and place them on their stand, you will gain more dynamics and speed. They scale up with better and more expensive amplifiers giving more dynamic and clarity. These were my experience with them and I am certain owners of these speakers have better pairing and get better results than I did.
X-LS Encore impressed. I think a speaker company would be wise to send you their new designs before putting them into production. And of course, pay you a consulting fee for your time and listening room expense.
I bought some B&W 706 bookshelf speakers and they are dull and lifeless and they cost me AU $2,400! I bought them for reference for my speaker building madness. They work well for basic bass, med and treble content. They are a great help and I couldn't do without reference speakers. But the 706s lack "breathiness" in the female voice sound (really badly) and the tone in the med sucks. My home built speakers absolutely flog them (hands down)! I just added my own personal touch to the copied sound, and increased about 5 khz a bit (on my built speakers). And of course I kept the 706s original. I bet the whole 3 speakers in this video would be better than my 706s. 😅
I find this way of compairing speakers very revealing and interesting. But! In real life you simply do not place different sounding speakers in the exact same place. Every different sort of speaker always needs to be tuned to the room by moving them and angling them in order to find the subjectively best possible match with the actual room accoustics.
This is a contradicting argument in one paragraph.................... On the one hand. "...you simply do not place..." then On the other hand, "...find the subjectively best". See the problem? Acid Jazz, Funk & Brass 🔈🔉🔊
@@TriAmpHiFi Dont you understand what i mean? 🙂 In real life you always optimises the speakers placement in the room according to your own taste. Every centimeter and degree of angling makes a very big difference in the resulting sound percieved from the listening position.
@@JeyDeeSweden . Ya JD, I understand and I agree. It's a small thing. I can be pedantic. What I'm saying is the argument can't be backed up with conflicting statements (see above). The correct speaker methodology can't be both subjective AND absolute simultaneously. Get it? Try this. "We are not painting the wall the mandated color because we don't like it". This painting method does not get the desired result. It's doomed. Acid Jazz, Funk & Brass 🔈🔉🔊
@@TriAmpHiFi 😊This subject is clearly not for you. This is obviously very far above your capability to grasp. I am sorry, i can not help you to understand the actual reality better.
yes this seemed off to me too. And for the smart alec, yes you actually can measure the performance difference with different placements "objectively" using free apps on your phone. Further, NOTHING matters more in audio than one's subjective experience. Yes measurements can be informative, but the first prio is "do I like this". End of!
I paid $600 new in box for my Triangle Comete ES speakers in 2009. I love mine and would never sell or replace them. However, they are not a studio monitor and are about enjoyment more so than accuracy. I don't like the current versions of the speaker as tested here. They lack the efficiency of the original and sound shrill (vocals on the original ES version are much better). I 100% agree with the reviewer. The reason I won't replace the Comete ES is that they are the best sounding speakers I have owned or heard for low volume playback. They don't excel played at moderate volumes - but that's fine with me. I run mine with a Cayin A-50T which I purchased in 2008, connected to a Yamaha CD-S2000 player I purchased around 2013/14. I mostly play SACDs at low volume in a 16x12ft room.
I ended up buying the Comete 40th's and my results are quite different than described here, but of course I had to play around with placement to get there - and that is not at all unusual ime. Compared to the placements shown here, I have them much closer together, closer to the side walls as well as rear wall and of course all of that affects how they sound. I admit I have no idea how you arrived at this placement, but for example, other reputable reviewers of these speakers noted they found the sweet spot about 1 meter from the rear wall - in your setup it looks more like 3m? That's an extraordinary difference. I don't have room to pull them out as from the walls as shown here nor even as far as the alleged 1m sweet spot, and that's fairly expected in the EU market where many, many people live in apartments with smaller rooms than the average American homescape. It is my understanding that Triangle (as well as Focal, possibly others) factor real world conditions into their designs. Considering these speakers are specced for rooms < 25 sq meters - how does the space you have compare? I don't know the details on your side, obvs, but I think it's safe to say that's a very large room, and what I note in the sound clips is that the Comete sounds like it's in a cavernous space that it just can't fill. I kinda have to suspect your room is just too large to do them justice. Heck, that visually delectable ceiling height alone is suspect :D Anyway, in my smaller room (ca. 18 qm) I find the Comete 40th's nothing short of delightful. They are fun and lively, but they also have a delicate sweetness about them which is an unusual combination ime. They are not "bright" or high end heavy, not at all fatiguing. The bass is clean and sufficient for my needs (without a sub), and the mids are pleasantly weighty without being tubby or too warm. They sound "right" to me, they put a smile on my face, I *really* dig them.
Very interesting video. I have the Triangle Esprit Titus EZ and I think these are incredibly special speakers for their under £800 price point. They are dynamic, fast, yet textured and subtle and never fatiguing in my system. For their relatively diminutive size their bass is punchy and tight if not particularly extended. I've heard that speaker manufacturers sometimes produce a goldilocks speaker in a range of speakers where others in the range do not hit such heights. I think the Titus is such a speaker. I have tried several rival models up to £1000 (these include Dynaudio emit 20, Acoustic Energy ae500 and Sonus Faber Lumina ii) and none have equalled them. I was very therefore curious when I had the chance to pick up some Comete 40th for a ridiculously low used price. My findings? Pretty much the same as yours. An overly prominent treble and a woolly, light sounding bass that I put down to the lack of power in my amp (Denon pma 800ne). I sold them on at an even more ridiculous low price. I am now of the opinion that system synergy and in room performance are the key rather than saying that such and such a speaker is always the best performer.
I agree with everything that you described while listening to these speakers, with the exception of the Triangles being sibilant. Could be my ears could be my headphones?
Calling out caveats makes for an honest review. Keep telling it like it is. Also I like the sound of the XLS encore! Would you be able to do a comparison between Technics SB-C700 and Kef R3 meta 🙌
I know the optimal way to listen to these test clips is headphones but honestly I'm astonished by how well my own speaker flesh out all the differences. Everything you described Ron is there coming through loud and clear. Notable is that the bass energy is much better coming through the reference tracks (the actual track) overall the Encore is the most resolving and not at all missing much depth compared to the KEFs.
When we listen to the speakers compared to reference through our headphones, what are we listening to on your review ?. Are the speakers recorded in your room using microphones in order to produce your audio/video here on CZcams?. Just trying to understand the process .....If it is using a mic, would results what we hear) be different for each speaker using a different mic ?.
It appears that you have the Santos Rosewood version. The Golden Oak's (shown in stock photo at 1:17) are a lighter brown. Thank you for the review, you may have saved me some hassle. I love the looks of this speaker but I think I'd like a more neutral response.
I didn't like the R3 as much as I thought I would. There's something dark and closed-in about them compared to the X-LS. The Comete sounds like a midrange is trying to do a woofer's job. I'd really love to hear it against an Antal.
NICE review. Even though all of these speakers are out of my price range, it was clear, the Encore's sounded the best and yes, I have a decent sound system on my computer. I could definitely hear the differences between the three speakers. The Triangles sounded hollow and 'reverby' with a crunchy high end, as the OP stated. The Kef was better. The Encore's, which are priced at $1300 for the pair were the best. The measurements back up the listening and it is a clear example of how you don't always get what you pay for, especially with speakers. While I am not overly familiar with Triangle, I wouldn't even think of paying that asking price they are asking for that speaker. As for KEF, I have been seeing them start to go down the road of a 'troll manufacturer' as they are getting greedy. This is most noted with their LS-50's and the meta version. I don't think they are anything special and certainly shouldn't be commanding the $1500+ for what performance they give. As it is, I find it hard to spend more than $640 for ANY bookshelf speakers, period. As it is, the higher in price you go, the less you get in terms of returns. The Law of Diminishing returns comes into play here. BUT, as I said, I really liked how this video was done and came along for the ride, and even though I can't afford the Encore speakers, those would be my choice as well. @New Record Day. One improvement I could recommend is to chain the audio clips of all three speakers in succession without talking between them, so one could get a more immediate comparison without delay in switching from speaker to speaker. Otherwise, nicely done!
GR Research is the best. I know those aren't the r3 metas but that's still an impressive win for the encores. Too bad they're tiny whimpy things and I need 15"s.
If someone already owns a KEF R300 (older version of R3 meta) do you think it would be better to squeeze more value out of it by upgrading the crossover? Or would it be better to purchase an XLS Encore kit ? I’m debating between these two options.
Since the ports are super thin and plastic, it’s always made me wonder if just simply wrapping them in sound deadener or no would prevent some of those lower note vocals coming through. Meaning it’s exciting the tubed ports themselves instead of allowing the sound to escape due to a back wave.
There appeared to be a narrow band in the 2 KHz range that was a distraction to the sound quality of the Comete's. I noticed it in the strings and some of the vocals. I also noticed the anemic bass punch. Now to see if your measurements reflect what I heard. Comment at 21 minutes.
First, love the use of comparison tracks. I wish more people did this in reviews. Second, I imagine the Cometes are quite fatiguing. They sound altogether too eager on treble.
Ron, Do you feel that different amplification would change the Triangle as proportional as the other speakers? Perhaps change the character of the Triangle. Also would a unique placement change your readings and observations? Thoughts ?
Do real-time level-matched switching between speakers please if you really want us to notice the differences. The auditory memory is only a few seconds so unless it's a really bad issue it gets muddled having to sit thru the (informative) pep talks.
Hi, this format educates the audience, thank you. The way you describe the audio qualities is so nuanced and refined, it's a skill that comes from experience. 2 thumbs up! I'm a long time supporter of the XLS Encore (would never sell) and I've recently bought the PROAC Response DB1, and I would say that it's on par with the XLS Encore. They both have their strengths, both are warm, one with greater soundstage, and the other greater bass. I wonder why you have not reviewed any PROACs?
I have had these since they came out and, whilst I love the sound for tracks without midrange, I find myself constantly fiddling with the positioning to counter the nasal mids. I can't get them just right without an EQ, then the EQ adds noise and I turn it off again. I've settled on blocking the ports and toeing the speakers to 6" past my shoulders. Arghh, but they look so good, grr.
The Triangle did sount last on your test, but they are not like that at all. Perhaps another 150 hours of burn-in and then redo the test. I did sell mine as I still prefer the PMC TB2i with their ever slight bump.
Hi Ron, so comparing with the Borea BR08, do you believe the Borea is a more linear and true to the reference sound speaker? It's interesting if so, solo based on the fact that this is a speaker that is one or two steps "above" the Borea range.
ok so...I admit I'm cheating a bit, since I'm listening to this on the first go using my every day speakers (very modestly priced elac dbr62s). Can anyone explain why my "local" speakers make the reference track sound much fuller than any of the recorded speakers do? Could this be a level matching thing or what? As from where I sit, my speakers are already meatier and bassier than any of these three! True, they lack a sense of "air" but if that comes at the expense of body I'm not sure I want it :/ yes yes I will dig out my headphones later for another go, but this is also a bit questionable to me and raises a basic question for our host: you say "which speakers sound most like the reference track" - but what are you using to determine what the reference track sounds like? I'm not trying to be facetious - it just popped into my head and it's kind of breaking my brain at the moment :D GREAT format regardless - I really value this sort of demonstration very much. Is it everything? no of course not - as you are demo'ing in a symmetrical room with good treatment and ideal speaker placement (or is it? if all speakers are placed in the same location for testing that seems questionable to me), whereas I would be listening in my tiny apartment with the speakers barely 50cm from the wall if I'm lucky. Still it's an interesting demo!
@@Newrecordday2013 Guess ground plane or nearfield bass measurement are not an option. Drums, cello, double bass, trombone, electric bass guitar etc.are big part of the music. Thanks for the reply btw. I think we have a similar speaker sound preferences.
Hey Ron, with the current mess coming from Erin's Audio Corner/AudioScienceReview and Erik Alexander of Tekton, you might want to keep an eye on things. I know you can't address the stuff from 2019, but it appears Mr. Alexander is back at work going full lawsuit on other reviewers who don't think his speakers are unassailable. I'm guessing you are aware of this, but I figured it didn't hurt to try and get it on your radar if you weren't.
It is really obvious to me that a speaker should be transparent to the music. it is not the job of the speaker to alter the music. If someone prefers a non linear FR for whatever reason (e.g. high frequency hearing loss) then I think it would be best to address this using electronics with tone controls?
I got a pair of triangle magellan duetto sw2, i like those speakers, but my problem is they are my first speakers. I pair them with a Rega Aethos and soon i will get denefrips pontus or venus i havent decided yet as of know i use a bluesound node n130.
What I noticed in Kef R3 reviews from all kind of different reviews is always the same phenomenon. I really like the sound but they feel 'far away' or if i would listen to them behind a really small invisible wall. Someone has insights what coudl cause that feeling of mine?
I love music. In order to listen to music, in ‘full effect’, you need good audio equipment. So, as soon as I became a wage earner, in the early 80s, I started dabbling in the world of audio. In theory, I would hope that the audio equipment I invest in, will allow me to enjoy music, as the creator intended. But as my system has evolved over 40 years, I realise that I’ve put together a system which allows me to enjoy music, reproduced the way I like to hear it. The only way to achieve that is through trial and error and experimentation. I’m not claiming that I’ve reached my ‘audio desti’, but, I’m certainly cruising effortlessly along a high speed, freeway. My current speakers are the Meta big brother of the Kef R3. I’ve had them in my system for almost 3 years and have no plans on the horizon to upgrade them. I think that must say something about the type of audiophile, that I am. Mi don’t have the luxury of a dedicated listening room. My hi-fi has to fight, for it’s right, to be in our family lounge. My lounge is untreated. I believe the soft furnishings keep RT60 levels, well within acceptable limits and multiple subs ensure an even well balanced bass distribution. I don’t employ DSP or EQ. My philosophy is to use speakers which load the room correctly, not use EQ to compensate for the speakers inadequacies. I would describe the sound signature I’ve achieved as being:- relaxed, effortless, detailed but not to the detriment of harmonic richness, a polished smooth top end, natural open mid-range, well textured defined and tight bass, a wide and deep soundstage, with a wide sweet spot. Might not suit everyone, but it suits me and I listen to it, more than anyone else.
The GR Research are def the closest imo. Something about your room or recording sounds like listening in or to a box. I am not sure why, but that's what I hear. They didn't sound as good with the last song and seemed to miss all the top end.
It's still echo-y, maybe just because it's big, and idk if the ceiling is treated. I know he did a lot but the room still has a lot of reflective surfaces, and the bigger the room, the more noticeable that's going to be. To be fair though you really can't compare a track through headphones to speakers in a room. Speaker guys prefer speakers for a reason, and part of that is the room interaction even though by definition that means it won't match the track through headphones perfectly. It's an added sense of space. But that said, his room has a LOT of added space, at least with his method of recording it. I'm sure it sounds different in the room.
@@Artcore103 I have to admit I was only listening on my speakers. Not much for headphones but it's in a smaller room with not much reflective surfaces. I am near field listening on my computer. I do wonder if that added to the box sound but I doubt it. The reference was a far cry imo from the recorded materials. It's difficult to know how it really sounds though in room. I've tried recording some from my system and it really takes good equipment to get good results.
So why not equalize????? Actually you are right about sibilance, but it boils down to subjecrivity These are all great speakers, personally l lean towards the KEF's.
Love this format. Sound clips of three comparable speakers provide a great reference point. The Sound Shed is truly paying dividends in the investments. Congrats Ron!
Thanks man!
@@Newrecordday2013 Please compare Encore with LGK 2.1. I like the measurements of 2.1 compared to 2.4
Why the fudge do you not have 2 million subscribers? You have the best, most informative, honest reviews on the web. Even though I can’t afford most of the equipment you review, it’s still an amazing educational experience. Time for your subscribers to spread the word about your channel
Ah man! That’s so kind! Thanks!
This is a revolutionary way to describe the sound of a speaker. Your viewers can follow your thoughts and verify it through the sound clips and understanding what you are describing. This takes away the subjective weight of using words or graphs as we have been accustomed to seeing from other reviewers. You should patent this method.
Thinking probably need to break in more?
Somehow I had different experience with this speaker. I had this Comete 40th for about a year now & love it. Yes it did a bit toward bright at the beginning. It needed to break in about a recommended 200 hours according to my dealer and Triangle. Yes it was quite long but it loosened up the woofer and improved the drivers integration and more balanced. The bass improved over time.
I also did not find the tweeter harsh or sibilance in fact it was very smooth and very good in conveying delicate detail especially with a well recorded music and good quality cables. The sound was vivid and lively.
The Comete paired well with tube integrated amplifier and good quality cabling. it improved everything.
At the end of the day I think it matters of individual’s taste and gear matching as with any other speakers.:)
break in is not considered to be a real thing. what is most likely happening, is that you are getting used to the sound after weeks of listening. but dont take my word for it, do your own research
Yes! I appreciate your perspective more. I am tired of people recommending KEF speakers to everyone. I am not particularly fond of the KEF sound signature. And I am objectively wrong in saying this. Trying different speakers in the same room without bias is so informative, almost mind blowing. The KEF L60 didn't impress me at all. And I have a strong preference for single driver speakers.
I am on my second year as owner of the 40th Anniversary Triangle Comete speakers. I really like these speakers in almost every way. My sources are Vinyl via a Dual 721 turntable with Ortofon OM20 cart. PSAudio BHK Signature Preamp into PrimaLuna EVO 300 tube amp. My other favorite speaker is the ELAC Signature UBR62's. I routinely swap these back into my system after listening to the Triangles. LOVE the ELAC's as well. They are more well-behaved and solid....but the Triangles are just more exciting. Keep up the great work, BTW!
Do the elacs have a recessed midrange? How exactly do they sound different? I’m tempted to try a pair against my Triangle Titus
I am an owner of Trianle Comete 40th anniversary and I think they sound amazing. Warm amp, sub in larger rooms and they make outstanding sound. Nothing here was said about soundstage, musicality, 3-dimensionality, analitic aspects, whether they are "emotionally" sounding. Only tonality was covered in this video, wchich is not everything. By the way: why the frequency range graph was only presented up from 200Hz? What about below? In Europe we are lucky - they cost around $ 1800-1900.😃
Those are good points. Speakers are all about personal preference. It depends on what you are looking for. However, he wasn't just comparing the speakers to each other, he was comparing them to a reference source. In other words, how a speaker should sound if it is not being coloured in some way. In all of those cases, the Triangles came out sounding the least accurate. As for musical, well thin sounding midrange is not musical to me. And emotional has no place in a review as that depends on the person listening. Soundstage is difficult to portray over CZcams, but I did not hear it mentioned and probably should have been.
You are obviously compensating for the speakers wth a warm amp and a sub, and thats fine. What matters is the end result. But I think the review is not to bash the speaker but to give an idea of what sound to expect when purchasing the Triangles. It's not about praise, it is about an accurate depiction of what the speaker can do, and I would say Ron does that better than a lot of reviewers out there.
I had a pair at home to test them. I'm not very experienced with upper end audio gear and am running Elac UBR62's at the moment. And they are really great for what they are and I don't even want to compare them quality wise. But the Triangles immediately grabbed my soul. I was so emotional touched from them that I cried quite a lot just from the sound alone. The way they stage, layer and place instruments and the singers spoke to me and now I crave for that. The whole sound philosophy so to speak.
I'll get a pair the next weeks/months. Either before I move or after.
PLUS they are oh so gorgeous looking. The blond oak in particular for me. The price here in Germany with 1500€ is also great.
The frequency starting with 200 Hz is because under that you basically measuring the room more than the speakers.
@@boneseyyl1060 I am not bashing Ron's review *at all* and I appreciate his methods tremendously, but I can say that these same speakers in my smaller, untreated, very normal living space sound light years better than they do in the sample clips here. The midrange is in no way "thin", I don't have a sub, nor do I have "warm" components feeding them (I'm a class d user, which tends to be cold as ice if you're not careful) And no, I'm not listening to the samples on these speakers ;)
I have no doubt the speakers sound thin in his space - the clips sound quite bad, indeed - but again, I can only state that this doesn't reflect how they sound in my space at all. My best guess is the room size and placement are the factors that make a difference here since those are the biggest factors in "real" life for all of us. Yes this room is "perfectly" treated but it's also HUGE and has unusually high ceilings. This *will* change the sound - and in some cases maybe not for the better. Consider these speakers are specced for rooms < 25 qm which is max 5x5m on square. Given he has them placed what looks like about 3m from the rear wall, I'm guessing the space is just too large and that explains why the Comete's sound like they are yelling from a cavern.
I own these and for low to medium volumes they excel, to much the tweeter tends to breakup (rated 90W). They are a mixed bag on paper and front ports have energy The tweeter for a horn is designed well,up top is never fatiguing just* and tone has great strengths. Also SET tube/SS class A amps are cream on my Comete 40th. Thank you Triangle.
The "bright" response in the 5K-15K range is nearly meaningless IMO. The signature differences we're all hearing that are meaningful are driven by the weak bottom end (partly from being so far away from any walls) and that sharp peak from ~500-1400hz. I think a lot of people look at a response plot and try to think of the entire range as having the same "meaning" but it just isn't true. The bulk of audio energy in music happens from ~40hz-4Khz. I wouldn't focus too much on the response of a speaker above 5K as we're not very sensitive to it and most of the energy up there is not what we think of when we think of "treble." It's more like the "air" on top of treble. It just needs to be present, it doesn't need to be particularly "flat" up there to sound fine. Takes young ears to hear much of anything above 10K anyway.
A few dB of response variance right smack in the middle of soprano vocal and very common octaves on many instruments... THAT is going to sound problematic.
You can hear why the R3 Meta is an easy recommendation, honest with a little color, like a well-edited photo...
Great in-depth review. I love how you back up your impressions with explanation. Well done Ron!
Excellent format, keep it up! You, Sir, gained a subscriber.
Love how you’re incorporating sound clips with your observations. I, and other consumers, are always more interested in differences in sound than listening to any single component in isolation. Also, your recordings are fantastic! Hope to see tons more comparisons like this. Kudos!
Great format and teaching points on how to discern between equipment and how to best match my listening preference. This has been one of the best teaching format and looking forward for more reviews like this. Also, thank you for including the GR speaker into the mix as I’ve always wondered how’d they measured up. Very surprising.
Glad it was helpful!
X-LS Encore sounded best with my new cheap Fiio JT1 headphones. Kef sounded nice but polite. Triangle sounded thin with tinnitus-evoking highs.
Great review as always, Ron! Please review the Holo Cyan2 soooon!!!
I think the Triangles would do better closer to the wall and looking at the horizontal off-axis, it seems the top end falls more in line and they're counting on an untreated environment. However, it does seem that Triangle has gone more in favor of lean bass recently.
Here in Norway the triangle's are $1200 USD.
The r3 are $2300 USD and the x-ls are not available.
I think the US pricing on triangle is making them less competitive that what they really should be.
I love the articulate and revealing nature of the Triangles (even tho I'm a Kef fanboy) and I know I'll never need to dampen the cabinets by placing heavy towels on them. The Comete rate a 9/10 and look as great as they sound.
PS I'm NOT French, so have no dog in this race
I have the Comete 40th and i like them. Before i had the KEF R300 and to me they sound aluminium, not natural. It's personal taste.
Thank you, someone is finally using the reference track to compare against the speakers. I wondered a while ago why people don’t do this. All of your observations were spot on to me.
i bought the cometes for 1100$ so im incredibly happy with em :), im more of a fan of the speakers coloring the music the most, and the amp coloring it the least
Firstly, thanks for using a metal track, as it is something most reviewers are lacking in videos like this. It is important to include as it is a style that kinda throws everything at you at once, and one needs good speakers to listen to that type of music. Us gitar nerds like details too, and we like it fast and heavy.
Is the Kef R3 also a reference speaker you use, or just something you added as it is popular. It might have been more interesting with a Meta version in the future. I agree that the encore and Kef sound alike, and I have been looking into having a Kef too as I feel they both have something in common, but a slight difference which are both welcome to my ears. I feel like the Encore is a bit more rounded at times, which kinda makes it slightly warm, and the Kef maybe has some more directness in the high mids and treble. Anyway, might be interesting with the Kef LS 50 meta as the body is more rounded, which they claim will give a better off-axis response, which could be great for when having guests and multiple listening positions.
Anyway, still eagerly waiting for the Arendal's review?? :)
Ron you deliver! Great review with real sound comparison. Even more happy that I jumped of the cliff in 2020 and listened to your review of Lundy’s Encores and then bought the kit from GR with upgraded parts and shipped all the way to Sweden. I love my speakers and sealed GR sub.
Rock on!
Great video, Ron! Happy to see you again.
To me, it looks like Triangle chose to use no baffle step compensation on this speaker to keep the overall sensitivity higher. Definitely would expect more for the relative cost.
What on earth is "baffle step compensation"?
@@robertmarshall7712 and why would anyone assume they didn't apply it based on a single review? For goodness sake, anyone can easily find out how the speaker is actually designed. Nah - easier to just throw out phrases many people don't know, and criticize something you effectively know nothing about :D (not you - I hope that's obvious)
I like the A-B testing approach and the differences were obviously audible. I have to wonder why this review is out of step with virtually every other of the many reviews of the Komete 40th anniversary speakers?
This review is a prime example of how CZcams audio clips, when well done, can be useful tools in hearing Relative differences in sound quality.
Wow, thanks!
Probably the best speaker review ever, great format, spot on comparisons. Top quality.
Wow thanks!
I second this. Yep good work NRD
100% Ron is a review beast. I still have to give the nod to his Salk Veracity review from years ago, as it's the vid that got me into both HiFi AND CZcams HiFi channels. Speaking of which: RIP Salk Sound (Jim is fine, just the business is shuttered).
I bought the Comete about a year ago after I auditioned them at the store. The are much cheaper in Europe 1300€ a pair. Well, it ended bringing them back the next day. High frequent was too much for my taste. Now I own a pair of trinagle 40th duettos and the are a complete different story.❤
I had Cometes for about 2 years. I didn't find them bright at all, but thought they were not full enough in voices and had a bit nasal tone. They were foot-tapping and quick though. Imaging was wery good too.
So you exchanged a €1300 speaker for a €6000 speaker and thought it was better?
@@hanskiiiid I had the nasal experience too, but moving them about 5 cm closer to the side walls fixed it (in my room)
Great review and information given here. I do wish we could hear the 3 speakers back to back to really hear the differences a bit.
Ron, hands down for another great test. I’m a subscriber from the early hours and I like the path you walk today. Please keep up this fine work. Warm greetings from the Netherlands, Bram
Thanks 👍
Terrific review in a terrific review. In terms of natural sounding standmounts with strong bass performance, I am curious when you will review either the Dynaudio Evoke 10 or Dynaudio Contour 20i? As these are the two most balanced standmounts in the Dynaudio range and a sound which I am addicted to (when paired with a high current amplifier as they are low efficiency speakers).
Well done. I want to emphasize that the question in the end is framed. Ultimately, the buyer will go to a showroom and sample a bunch of speakers. The preference for one speaker or another is subjective. I understand that you have the point of view of a reviewer.
Aren’t these in the Santos Rosewood finish? I’ve had that finish and, in my system with Moonriver 404 Reference integrated amp, the Comete 40th sounded pretty good. Yes, they needed a sub, but the sound was clear and fairly musical.
Ron, I've seen your clips of the GR X-LS Encore's in your other video's, along with this one, and I'm struck by the similarity of the reference sound-clips to those reproduced in-room by the Encores. They sound pretty damned good.
Hmm, not all speakers need to be located in the exact same position in the room to sound their best, also toe-in might need to be adjusted individually. Not sure how the Comete reacts on improvements in this regard, but in the end I‘d assume some/many/most? speakers for that price do not end up in the middle of the room.
But yes, the 3 speakers sound very different indeed.
THANKS RON 🤗FOR SHARING THIS AND MAKING GOOD USE OF YOUR NEW ROOM 💚💚💚
Really dig the A/B:ing of the reference track combined with comparisons, A+ work! BTW, the GR Research was my favorite. Excellent sounding speaker, balanced all the way through the freq range and dark in comparison, but not too dark. I felt like I didn't lose too much information in the last sound clip, if that makes sense.
Triangle Duette 40th Anniversary speaker didn't have any of those descriptions as you stated on the Comete, I found the balance of their tweeter and woofer in the Duette to be the most balanced speaker I have heard out of any Monitor. Also as we age, we tend to gravitate more toward higher frequency because you tend to loose those first when we age.. Ironically I found the KEF to be kind of subdued.. The Comete definitely have more going on in the high frequencies, but they are also using a horn tweeter, which I normally never like. With the Duette's the speaker seems more balanced but I agree with your assumptions, as this is a hobby of perceptions and opinions.. You like what you like..... is the saying I use... Plus the Triangles excel with Tubes, it tones down the extra liveliness of the Triangles. Nada on the X-LS they were a toss up for 2nd choice! ;) The KEF sounded the closest, but placement can be key, and different equipment matching is helpful with some speakers, I would definitely pair the Triangles with Tubes.
This gives me a reason to send my Comete speakers to GR Research for a checkup. Thanks
Danny would relish the opportunity. Think you have found the right time and place to do so. He is a character. I had met him in person.
I checked with GR Research, but I could not go through with it due to fears of harm to the beautiful looks of the Triangle speakers (the speaker drivers are not made to be removed, so removing them would, I believe, damage there beauty). So, I recalled that I had a Dirac license that I could give a 2nd try (I did not like the results on my first try). Wow, what a difference Dirac made. I will be loving these Triangle Comete speakers until I win the lottery.
Great comparison video and excellent production as always. I hate to bring this up here but it sort of started with your original review... When do we get to see the in- depth review of your delivered Caladans? Anxiously awaiting a production update from Clayton!
Wow…..really well done Ron. Discovered your channel and really enjoying your approach to reviews. Solid commentary , blended with data, and honest subjective and objective thoughts. Keep em coming! 😊
Much appreciated!
Great to see you Ron ! Your absence had some of us a bit worried. Whew ! 😅 Now back to NRD …🙏🏼🔊🎶😁
But does the trinagle comete sound bad,good ? Does a speaker only sound good if it sounds like a super flat studio monitor ? Dit you try all 3 speakers with an amp that has room correction and a mic the yamaha R-N1000A or the R-N2000A ? (digital in with yamahas)
but why would you want the speaker to sound good or bad? shouldn;t the music sound good or bad? would you rather listening to the music or the speaker? and this is the answer as to why we would want a super flat speaker. because it is not the job of the speaker to alter the music, it is the job of the studio to mix the music and the job of the speaker to play it
everything are preference tho, and even the most flat studio monitors all sounds different to each other. we buy speakers to simply enjoy music we like instead of criticising the recording good or bad
@@user-hy2jq4zf9c speakers sound different because they measure different in some aspect, could be directivity, dispersion, resonances and what have you. yes everything is preference but some times we need to grow out of our preferences just because it is what we are used to. To my mind we should have at least one part of the audio chain as being "reference", transparent, flat in order to have a constant point of reference. and to my mind that part are the speakers. otherwise you start talking about amplifier pairings and cables and what have you. so if you have a transparent system that simply reproduces the music exactly as it was mixed then if you dont like it you can use tone controls or EQ. my point is, if a speaker is not flat it should state it clearly that this speaker does not accurately reproduce the music but artificially alters the frequency responce. it is simple as that.
The great video I like the way you illustrate things. And to be honest, I thought in some cases, the kefs sounded the best of the three.
I’m really curious if you’ve ever listened to PMCs and what you thought of them ?
I owned the Triangle Comete 40th anniversary and to be honest I struggled with them in all areas having had PMC tb2i for many years. They are very directional and require a 45 degree angle towing. Tonally they were very dark and were not easy to pair with amplifiers even-though the three solid-state amps I used were neutral. The audio lab 8300a matched the best, but Atoll IN200 signature had better dynamics as the speakers performed much better. My EL34 tube amp simply sounded very thick with them.
The tweeters were very clear but bright and that made cymbals sound unnatural. Sonically, they changed quickly when moved farther from them. The mids were rich and the tweeters projected highs from within the horn so they were recessed, but I did improve this with kimber 4tc cable.
In my opinion these are overrated with the Santos rosewood finish contributing to their appeal. By the way, if you install the metal rosegold cones with the metal discs and place them on their stand, you will gain more dynamics and speed. They scale up with better and more expensive amplifiers giving more dynamic and clarity.
These were my experience with them and I am certain owners of these speakers have better pairing and get better results than I did.
X-LS Encore impressed. I think a speaker company would be wise to send you their new designs before putting them into production. And of course, pay you a consulting fee for your time and listening room expense.
this is by far the best reviewing format on youtube for me, I do follow nearly every hifi reviewer
Ah that’s great to hear!
I bought some B&W 706 bookshelf speakers and they are dull and lifeless and they cost me AU $2,400! I bought them for reference for my speaker building madness. They work well for basic bass, med and treble content. They are a great help and I couldn't do without reference speakers. But the 706s lack "breathiness" in the female voice sound (really badly) and the tone in the med sucks. My home built speakers absolutely flog them (hands down)! I just added my own personal touch to the copied sound, and increased about 5 khz a bit (on my built speakers). And of course I kept the 706s original. I bet the whole 3 speakers in this video would be better than my 706s. 😅
NRD speaks the truth.
That’s always indeed the aim.
Great comparisons especially with the reference music. Thanks for sharing.
Great setup and comparison. The selection of songs is very limited though, when all your differences are either enough meaty and with body or not.
Triangle Comete EZ could be bought for $800 very often in Europe before they got discontinued.
I find this way of compairing speakers very revealing and interesting. But! In real life you simply do not place different sounding speakers in the exact same place. Every different sort of speaker always needs to be tuned to the room by moving them and angling them in order to find the subjectively best possible match with the actual room accoustics.
This is a contradicting argument in one paragraph....................
On the one hand. "...you simply do not place..." then
On the other hand, "...find the subjectively best". See the problem?
Acid Jazz, Funk & Brass 🔈🔉🔊
@@TriAmpHiFi
Dont you understand what i mean? 🙂 In real life you always optimises the speakers placement in the room according to your own taste. Every centimeter and degree of angling makes a very big difference in the resulting sound percieved from the listening position.
@@JeyDeeSweden
. Ya JD, I understand and I agree. It's a small thing. I can be pedantic. What I'm saying is the argument can't be backed up with conflicting statements (see above).
The correct speaker methodology can't be both subjective AND absolute simultaneously. Get it? Try this. "We are not painting the wall the mandated color because we don't like it". This painting method does not get the desired result. It's doomed.
Acid Jazz, Funk & Brass 🔈🔉🔊
@@TriAmpHiFi
😊This subject is clearly not for you. This is obviously very far above your capability to grasp. I am sorry, i can not help you to understand the actual reality better.
yes this seemed off to me too.
And for the smart alec, yes you actually can measure the performance difference with different placements "objectively" using free apps on your phone. Further, NOTHING matters more in audio than one's subjective experience. Yes measurements can be informative, but the first prio is "do I like this". End of!
I paid $600 new in box for my Triangle Comete ES speakers in 2009. I love mine and would never sell or replace them. However, they are not a studio monitor and are about enjoyment more so than accuracy. I don't like the current versions of the speaker as tested here. They lack the efficiency of the original and sound shrill (vocals on the original ES version are much better). I 100% agree with the reviewer.
The reason I won't replace the Comete ES is that they are the best sounding speakers I have owned or heard for low volume playback. They don't excel played at moderate volumes - but that's fine with me.
I run mine with a Cayin A-50T which I purchased in 2008, connected to a Yamaha CD-S2000 player I purchased around 2013/14. I mostly play SACDs at low volume in a 16x12ft room.
I ended up buying the Comete 40th's and my results are quite different than described here, but of course I had to play around with placement to get there - and that is not at all unusual ime. Compared to the placements shown here, I have them much closer together, closer to the side walls as well as rear wall and of course all of that affects how they sound. I admit I have no idea how you arrived at this placement, but for example, other reputable reviewers of these speakers noted they found the sweet spot about 1 meter from the rear wall - in your setup it looks more like 3m? That's an extraordinary difference.
I don't have room to pull them out as from the walls as shown here nor even as far as the alleged 1m sweet spot, and that's fairly expected in the EU market where many, many people live in apartments with smaller rooms than the average American homescape. It is my understanding that Triangle (as well as Focal, possibly others) factor real world conditions into their designs. Considering these speakers are specced for rooms < 25 sq meters - how does the space you have compare? I don't know the details on your side, obvs, but I think it's safe to say that's a very large room, and what I note in the sound clips is that the Comete sounds like it's in a cavernous space that it just can't fill. I kinda have to suspect your room is just too large to do them justice. Heck, that visually delectable ceiling height alone is suspect :D
Anyway, in my smaller room (ca. 18 qm) I find the Comete 40th's nothing short of delightful. They are fun and lively, but they also have a delicate sweetness about them which is an unusual combination ime. They are not "bright" or high end heavy, not at all fatiguing. The bass is clean and sufficient for my needs (without a sub), and the mids are pleasantly weighty without being tubby or too warm. They sound "right" to me, they put a smile on my face, I *really* dig them.
Since you're a little late to the speaker party, ALL Triangle speakers have been known for their brightness.
Nice video...thank you.
Almost everything you played sounded amazing through my diy mtm monitors... ❤️
Very interesting video. I have the Triangle Esprit Titus EZ and I think these are incredibly special speakers for their under £800 price point. They are dynamic, fast, yet textured and subtle and never fatiguing in my system. For their relatively diminutive size their bass is punchy and tight if not particularly extended.
I've heard that speaker manufacturers sometimes produce a goldilocks speaker in a range of speakers where others in the range do not hit such heights. I think the Titus is such a speaker. I have tried several rival models up to £1000 (these include Dynaudio emit 20, Acoustic Energy ae500 and Sonus Faber Lumina ii) and none have equalled them.
I was very therefore curious when I had the chance to pick up some Comete 40th for a ridiculously low used price. My findings? Pretty much the same as yours. An overly prominent treble and a woolly, light sounding bass that I put down to the lack of power in my amp (Denon pma 800ne). I sold them on at an even more ridiculous low price. I am now of the opinion that system synergy and in room performance are the key rather than saying that such and such a speaker is always the best performer.
What speaker was the reference?
Looking good, man ! =) Nice to see ya. Good format ..and valuable comparisons. =)
The Triangle sounds closer to the recording. ..to me.... has the same Hi-Fr detail.. the other 2 don't have the same presence.. That's interesting.
I agree with everything that you described while listening to these speakers, with the exception of the Triangles being sibilant. Could be my ears could be my headphones?
Calling out caveats makes for an honest review. Keep telling it like it is. Also I like the sound of the XLS encore!
Would you be able to do a comparison between Technics SB-C700 and Kef R3 meta 🙌
I know the optimal way to listen to these test clips is headphones but honestly I'm astonished by how well my own speaker flesh out all the differences. Everything you described Ron is there coming through loud and clear. Notable is that the bass energy is much better coming through the reference tracks (the actual track) overall the Encore is the most resolving and not at all missing much depth compared to the KEFs.
Hi, Ron. What is your take on the speaker at a third of that price -which is the list price in Spain? Sometimes even cheaper on certain days.
Well done and informative.
Thank you!
When we listen to the speakers compared to reference through our headphones, what are we listening to on your review ?. Are the speakers recorded in your room using microphones in order to produce your audio/video here on CZcams?. Just trying to understand the process .....If it is using a mic, would results what we hear) be different for each speaker using a different mic ?.
It appears that you have the Santos Rosewood version. The Golden Oak's (shown in stock photo at 1:17) are a lighter brown.
Thank you for the review, you may have saved me some hassle. I love the looks of this speaker but I think I'd like a more neutral response.
I didn't like the R3 as much as I thought I would. There's something dark and closed-in about them compared to the X-LS. The Comete sounds like a midrange is trying to do a woofer's job. I'd really love to hear it against an Antal.
NICE review. Even though all of these speakers are out of my price range, it was clear, the Encore's sounded the best and yes, I have a decent sound system on my computer. I could definitely hear the differences between the three speakers. The Triangles sounded hollow and 'reverby' with a crunchy high end, as the OP stated. The Kef was better. The Encore's, which are priced at $1300 for the pair were the best. The measurements back up the listening and it is a clear example of how you don't always get what you pay for, especially with speakers. While I am not overly familiar with Triangle, I wouldn't even think of paying that asking price they are asking for that speaker. As for KEF, I have been seeing them start to go down the road of a 'troll manufacturer' as they are getting greedy. This is most noted with their LS-50's and the meta version. I don't think they are anything special and certainly shouldn't be commanding the $1500+ for what performance they give. As it is, I find it hard to spend more than $640 for ANY bookshelf speakers, period. As it is, the higher in price you go, the less you get in terms of returns. The Law of Diminishing returns comes into play here. BUT, as I said, I really liked how this video was done and came along for the ride, and even though I can't afford the Encore speakers, those would be my choice as well. @New Record Day. One improvement I could recommend is to chain the audio clips of all three speakers in succession without talking between them, so one could get a more immediate comparison without delay in switching from speaker to speaker. Otherwise, nicely done!
Yep the encores sound amazing
GR Research is the best. I know those aren't the r3 metas but that's still an impressive win for the encores. Too bad they're tiny whimpy things and I need 15"s.
Hi Ron, great and informative video. Just a thought, how do you avoid copyright strikes?
Thanks Jim! I use a royalty free music service for the clips
Brilliant review, Ron, one of your best!
Thank you kindly!
I hear a lot of your room reverberations! That's the main difference with the original recordings.
I don't find triangles aggressive at all; just a wonderful soundstage
How old are your ears? That could explain why you don’t find them aggressive?
If someone already owns a KEF R300 (older version of R3 meta) do you think it would be better to squeeze more value out of it by upgrading the crossover? Or would it be better to purchase an XLS Encore kit ? I’m debating between these two options.
please explain through what speaker or equipment you record the reference track.
Since the ports are super thin and plastic, it’s always made me wonder if just simply wrapping them in sound deadener or no would prevent some of those lower note vocals coming through. Meaning it’s exciting the tubed ports themselves instead of allowing the sound to escape due to a back wave.
There appeared to be a narrow band in the 2 KHz range that was a distraction to the sound quality of the Comete's. I noticed it in the strings and some of the vocals. I also noticed the anemic bass punch. Now to see if your measurements reflect what I heard. Comment at 21 minutes.
First, love the use of comparison tracks. I wish more people did this in reviews. Second, I imagine the Cometes are quite fatiguing. They sound altogether too eager on treble.
Ron, Do you feel that different amplification would change the Triangle as proportional as the other speakers? Perhaps change the character of the Triangle. Also would a unique placement change your readings and observations?
Thoughts ?
hey NRD guy. Since I'm a moron, what is the reference track source?
Do real-time level-matched switching between speakers please if you really want us to notice the differences. The auditory memory is only a few seconds so unless it's a really bad issue it gets muddled having to sit thru the (informative) pep talks.
Hi, this format educates the audience, thank you. The way you describe the audio qualities is so nuanced and refined, it's a skill that comes from experience. 2 thumbs up! I'm a long time supporter of the XLS Encore (would never sell) and I've recently bought the PROAC Response DB1, and I would say that it's on par with the XLS Encore. They both have their strengths, both are warm, one with greater soundstage, and the other greater bass. I wonder why you have not reviewed any PROACs?
You're very welcome! I’ll check out the proacs.
Great content brother I'm in the process of building a set of encores what ample for would you recommend?
I have had these since they came out and, whilst I love the sound for tracks without midrange, I find myself constantly fiddling with the positioning to counter the nasal mids. I can't get them just right without an EQ, then the EQ adds noise and I turn it off again. I've settled on blocking the ports and toeing the speakers to 6" past my shoulders. Arghh, but they look so good, grr.
The Triangle did sount last on your test, but they are not like that at all. Perhaps another 150 hours of burn-in and then redo the test. I did sell mine as I still prefer the PMC TB2i with their ever slight bump.
If a speaker needs 150 hours of burn in, send them back.
Hi Ron, so comparing with the Borea BR08, do you believe the Borea is a more linear and true to the reference sound speaker? It's interesting if so, solo based on the fact that this is a speaker that is one or two steps "above" the Borea range.
ok so...I admit I'm cheating a bit, since I'm listening to this on the first go using my every day speakers (very modestly priced elac dbr62s). Can anyone explain why my "local" speakers make the reference track sound much fuller than any of the recorded speakers do? Could this be a level matching thing or what? As from where I sit, my speakers are already meatier and bassier than any of these three! True, they lack a sense of "air" but if that comes at the expense of body I'm not sure I want it :/
yes yes I will dig out my headphones later for another go, but this is also a bit questionable to me and raises a basic question for our host: you say "which speakers sound most like the reference track" - but what are you using to determine what the reference track sounds like? I'm not trying to be facetious - it just popped into my head and it's kind of breaking my brain at the moment :D
GREAT format regardless - I really value this sort of demonstration very much. Is it everything? no of course not - as you are demo'ing in a symmetrical room with good treatment and ideal speaker placement (or is it? if all speakers are placed in the same location for testing that seems questionable to me), whereas I would be listening in my tiny apartment with the speakers barely 50cm from the wall if I'm lucky. Still it's an interesting demo!
Nice review. Measurements lack a whole spectrum of frequencies bellow 200Hz if I saw it correctly though.
That’s correct - they are quasi-anechoic using a gated window. The only reliable data I can see with the window is above 200hz.
@@Newrecordday2013 Guess ground plane or nearfield bass measurement are not an option. Drums, cello, double bass, trombone, electric bass guitar etc.are big part of the music. Thanks for the reply btw. I think we have a similar speaker sound preferences.
Ron, what do you mean by "gated window"?
Hey Ron, with the current mess coming from Erin's Audio Corner/AudioScienceReview and Erik Alexander of Tekton, you might want to keep an eye on things. I know you can't address the stuff from 2019, but it appears Mr. Alexander is back at work going full lawsuit on other reviewers who don't think his speakers are unassailable. I'm guessing you are aware of this, but I figured it didn't hurt to try and get it on your radar if you weren't.
I’m aware of it. Thanks!
For me New Record Day is back on track! what a great review! Thanks Ron, you reminded me why I began on this Audio Adventure.
Great to hear!
It is really obvious to me that a speaker should be transparent to the music. it is not the job of the speaker to alter the music. If someone prefers a non linear FR for whatever reason (e.g. high frequency hearing loss) then I think it would be best to address this using electronics with tone controls?
I got a pair of triangle magellan duetto sw2, i like those speakers, but my problem is they are my first speakers. I pair them with a Rega Aethos and soon i will get denefrips pontus or venus i havent decided yet as of know i use a bluesound node n130.
What I noticed in Kef R3 reviews from all kind of different reviews is always the same phenomenon. I really like the sound but they feel 'far away' or if i would listen to them behind a really small invisible wall. Someone has insights what coudl cause that feeling of mine?
Excellent review !! Very informative,and concise .. G&R research sounds like a winner … be nice to try out the “Bully’s’
I love music. In order to listen to music, in ‘full effect’, you need good audio equipment. So, as soon as I became a wage earner, in the early 80s, I started dabbling in the world of audio.
In theory, I would hope that the audio equipment I invest in, will allow me to enjoy music, as the creator intended. But as my system has evolved over 40 years, I realise that I’ve put together a system which allows me to enjoy music, reproduced the way I like to hear it. The only way to achieve that is through trial and error and experimentation. I’m not claiming that I’ve reached my ‘audio desti’, but, I’m certainly cruising effortlessly along a high speed, freeway. My current speakers are the Meta big brother of the Kef R3. I’ve had them in my system for almost 3 years and have no plans on the horizon to upgrade them. I think that must say something about the type of audiophile, that I am.
Mi don’t have the luxury of a dedicated listening room. My hi-fi has to fight, for it’s right, to be in our family lounge. My lounge is untreated. I believe the soft furnishings keep RT60 levels, well within acceptable limits and multiple subs ensure an even well balanced bass distribution. I don’t employ DSP or EQ. My philosophy is to use speakers which load the room correctly, not use EQ to compensate for the speakers inadequacies.
I would describe the sound signature I’ve achieved as being:- relaxed, effortless, detailed but not to the detriment of harmonic richness, a polished smooth top end, natural open mid-range, well textured defined and tight bass, a wide and deep soundstage, with a wide sweet spot.
Might not suit everyone, but it suits me and I listen to it, more than anyone else.
👍
The GR Research are def the closest imo. Something about your room or recording sounds like listening in or to a box. I am not sure why, but that's what I hear. They didn't sound as good with the last song and seemed to miss all the top end.
It's still echo-y, maybe just because it's big, and idk if the ceiling is treated. I know he did a lot but the room still has a lot of reflective surfaces, and the bigger the room, the more noticeable that's going to be.
To be fair though you really can't compare a track through headphones to speakers in a room. Speaker guys prefer speakers for a reason, and part of that is the room interaction even though by definition that means it won't match the track through headphones perfectly. It's an added sense of space. But that said, his room has a LOT of added space, at least with his method of recording it. I'm sure it sounds different in the room.
@@Artcore103 I have to admit I was only listening on my speakers. Not much for headphones but it's in a smaller room with not much reflective surfaces. I am near field listening on my computer. I do wonder if that added to the box sound but I doubt it. The reference was a far cry imo from the recorded materials. It's difficult to know how it really sounds though in room. I've tried recording some from my system and it really takes good equipment to get good results.
So why not equalize?????
Actually you are right about sibilance, but it boils down to subjecrivity
These are all great speakers, personally l lean towards the KEF's.
good tutorial on how to listen