Examining the Church of Christ Part 5 | Answering The Error
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- Thanks for tuning into PART FIVE of the Series! In this episode, we continue to break down a podcast titled "Cultish" by Apologia Studios, discussing their thoughts and comments on the beliefs of the Church of Christ. If you haven't watched parts 1-4, be sure and check them out! Thanks for watching!
Join Don Blackwell and Aaron Gallagher as they review submitted videos and compare the teaching to the scriptures to find out whether it is truth or error.
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My heart is pricked by this message. I receive it and accept it
In what sense were you pricked by the message and received it and accept it?
I have listened to all of these presentations. It is amazing that one person, Trey, can be wrong just about every time his mouth opens. Imagine a person speaks 5000 words, and 4800 of them produce nonsense. That is Trey.
Did you catch the 3rd discussion between them? @2:12 Aaron asked him 'where he attended and what he did there'... Trey downplayed it!
For years now Trey Fisher has told everyone thar he was "up and coming in the Church of Christ" and "he gave up alot for grace". Then just simply ask that, and he folded like a house of cards.
I think of Titus 3:10-11 when I think of Trey Fisher
@@MrCaza7096excellent citation and it’s true sadly. I think of this every time that liar opens his mouth:
Jude 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, *despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.*
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, *durst not bring against him a railing accusation,* but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Jude 1:10 *But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.*
@@MrCaza7096 , that was a golden, eye-opening moment for all, even Trey Fisher, at that moment. I hope his reformed panel take note of in whom they have invested for self-professed expertise.
@DRMLiveJazz they won't unless he can't get donations. CULTISH is backed by Apologia Church in Phoenix. It's there to solicit funds. It's growing weekly.
As far as untruths...well, that doesn't matter to them because 'you can't lose your Salvation even in the act of adultery ', so lying shouldn't be a big deal either, I guess
100%. to a point where I question his mental acuity.
Great work, gentlemen. Looking forward to the next part! Your Scriptural base is noted and much appreciated. Thank you, Don, Aaron, and GBN!
Thank you Don Blackwell . Your a true Inspiration and we are blessed to have you .
"Trey's strawman Warehouse and supercenter. We have the largest inventory of straw men in the country. If we don't have the exact straw man you need to look smart in front of your friends, just let us know and we'll make one up for you." 😂
Am I the only one who notices that when Trey gives examples of what he has learned from People/Elders/Ministers & even books, he NEVER sites these individuals ... NEVER... he just throws junk out there and hopes it sticks
That story about his conversation with an elder about John 3:16 was completely made up. An elder would have been able to counter his argument easily.
I don't know his heart but I just believe he lies a lot throughout these discussions
I agree. Another thing about Trey, just like so many other reformed 'theologians', is that he thinks he's full of grace and kindness but is really very arrogant and prideful. Just like James White, John MacArthur, R.C. Sproul and so many others
@@JacobFrederick23 Totally off topic but as a Penn State football fan I love your Username LOL. I hate bama too
@Jacob Frederick I truly believe that also...maybe an elder from a denomination. Let us continue to pray for him that he will return to the truth
Trey:
Galatians 3:24-25 (KJV)
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
It's amazing how Trey and others always give what if scenarios. We have to teach what the Bible says. He that believed and is baptized shall be saved. We have to teach what God says, He will be the ultimate judge.
If Trey knew half as much about the Lord's church as he thought he knew, he might have a small amount of information.
If the COC is not a cult, why do their practices fit perfectly the definition of a cult?
There are several definitions of cult. If you use the Cultist definition of "someone who believes the majority of modern day Protestants aren't teaching salvation properly", the church is a cult, but so were Jesus's first century disciples. If you use the definition of "a movement with a charismatic leader isolating individuals from their community to obtain money, power, and/or sex from them", then the church is not a cult, unlike Mormonism, Islam, Jim Jones' followers, etc.
Watching from Philippines
Great job responding to Treys accusations. It needed to be done and I've learned alot from your responses. Very profitable.
Thanks for the great work guys!
For the cult podcast group: If you ask millions of people, you will always find a few that are out there.
What truly tears down this podcast group is that the Church of Christ doesn’t have a man made creed for them to quote so they have to use hearsay.
Christ’s Church follows the first century church.
They quote John 3:16 but ignore Matthew 28: 18-20
One must remember that God is not the author of confusion.
When I hear these men from the cult podcast talk I think immediately of Romans 16:17-18
Than you for logical but kind Biblical defense of the truth.
The gift for all generations in verse 39 is the baptism in the holy spirit with evidence of speaking in tongues, this is the second work of grace
I really believe if Jeremiah and Andrew would just sit down with Aaron and Don that they would honestly listen with open ears. Trey has completely destroyed there understanding of the Lord's Church.
Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
Gwendolyn Thomas here and yes, my brothers keep on refuting this false dangerous doctrine and teaching. It’s especially serious because Trey claims that he left the church to become a Reformed Calvinist! The doctrine that he’s teaching is slander and very offensive to the church! I know that I’m very offended! Thanks ❤
Good message brother in Christ
Excellent job Don and Aaron!!
Were part 4 in playlist
That's right, Trey doesn't actually answer Acts 2:38 when he's asked to explain it around the 28 minute mark.
So if the book of Hebrews/Rev is immersed in the OT…. Does that only mean that it is water baptized in the OT in order to be valid?
Actually, scratch that.. immersed means other things besides water baptism
Thank you sir Don and Aaron for the clear explanation of God's word.
believe implies obedience, its so clear
Amen, the devil believes and tremble but is he going to Do anything about that belief. ...I don't think so. Part of belief is being obedient.
Believing is obedience period. It is THE ONE WORK we must do. Jhn 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is THE WORK of God, that ye BELIEVE on him whom he hath sent. Notice THE work not A work.
@@dwbid42 this is not the only scripture that says something about what we must do. I will redirect you to my original comment.
@@SamTipton I replied to A COMMENT of yours. If you have something to add from another comment you made than add it as I'm not searching for it.
Rom 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath BELIEVED OUR REPORT?
This verse clearly tells you what "obeying the gospel" is is it's BELIEVING it and not obeying every command in the N.T. If obeying commands were what's necessary we could still be under the Law. We ARE NOT under the Law because we would have to obey it PERFECTLY to obtain eternal life and nothing has changed with that because God is still a Holy God and still requires perfection from us if we attempt to add what we do to Jesus' sacrifice. Put your faith in your obeying of commands and see where it gets you. Just don't mess up one time or you'll be lost and the N.T. commands are even stricter than the O.T. Law.
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
@@dwbid42 we can't be perfectly obedient, our past sins make sure of that and we stumble. But we should strive for obedience. That's what sanctification is. We are justified by faith and we try to live holy as He is holy. Jesus said to make disciples of all nations and teach them to observe all things commanded them (Matthew 28:20). If we believe Jesus, we will obey him. That's all I'm saying. This obedience doesn't merit salvation or earn us anything. But it is the Christian's duty. Any other opinion is heretical.
FYI - Romans 7 does not say that we are either married to the law or married to Christ. The contrast is between marriage to the flesh and marriage to Christ.
This is awesome! You guys are so sharp in the word.
I have a question off topic: What do you guys think about open air preaching / street witnessing? Are you guys for it or against?
Yes great question. I personally love it and think it’s very necessary in this day and age. What saddens me though is none of the ones I’ve seen on CZcams are members of the church of Christ and 90% of it is good but there’s always missing the need for baptism and so many are sent off with a false sense of security. Living waters for example, he claims you just need to “believe” and put your faith in Jesus. Then there’s Christ forgiveness, and
Gabe the street preacher is another who is good too but he came from Pentecostal denomination (I don’t know if he still is) but he’s worth a watch although he’s got some things wrong like he claims you must be baptized in Jesus’ name and not in the father/son Holy Spirit. And has videos “proving” such. I didn’t think such a specification mattered ??? Gabe doesn’t believe in the word trinity yet that’s exactly what the Godhead is so.. and yet his Public preaching is hard core in a good way cause he doesn’t sugar coat with these people. Since he goes to the most obnoxious areas
it would be very nice to see a church of Christ preachers take on this. They often go to pride parades and college campuses in areas where people really HATE God. Have been arrested on video even PURELY for preaching Gods word on PUBLIC property !
To be fair here. In Acts 2:39, the phrase "shall call" is the lexicon G302 is rather vague in it's definition by Strong's. It says "a primary particle, denoting a supposition, wish, possibility or uncertainty:-(what-, where-, wither-, who-)soever. Usually unexpressed except by the subjunctive or potential mood. Also contracted for G1437."
And in John 12:32, the phrase "will draw" is the lexicon G1670 meaning "probably akin to G138; to drag (literally or figuratively):-draw. Compare G1667." according to Strong's. Same with Vine's and Thayer's.
Nowhere in either of those verses or the usage's definition says anything like "summoning".
Here is from Strong's Greek Lexicon:
Act 2:39 ForG1063 theG3588 promiseG1860 isG2076 unto you,G5213 andG2532 to yourG5216 children,G5043 andG2532 to allG3956 thatG3588 are afar off,G1519 G3112 even as many asG3745 G302 the LordG2962 ourG2257 GodG2316 shall call.G4341
G4341
προσκαλέομαι
proskaleomai
pros-kal-eh'-om-ahee
Middle voice from G4314 and G2564; to call toward oneself, that is, summon, invite: - call (for, to, unto).
Total KJV occurrences: 30
Here is from Thayer's Greek Lexicon:
προσκαλέομαι
proskaleomai
Thayer Definition:
1) to call to
2) to call to one’s self
3) to bid to come to one’s self
4) metaphorically
4a) God is said to call to himself the Gentiles, aliens as they are from him, by inviting them, through the preaching of the gospel unto fellowship with himself in the Messiah’s kingdom
4b) Christ and the Holy Sprit are said to call to themselves those preachers of the gospel to whom they have decided to intrust a service having reference to the extension of the gospel
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: middle voice from G4314 and G2564
@@dsvet that's interesting. I'm getting directly that "shall call" in Acts 2:39 is G302 and below it is empty with that G4341 meaning what you put down. Wonder why it did that. Now, I will agree with you on "shall call" in Acts 2:39, however, in John 12:32, "will draw" does mean "to drag".
@@kellytisdale7322
From thayers
1. properly: τό δίκτυον, John 21:6, 11; μάχαιραν, i. e. unsheathe, John 18:10 (Sophocles Ant. 1208 (1233), etc.); τινα, a person forcibly and against his will (our drag, drag off), ἔξω τοῦ ἱεροῦ, Acts 21:30; εἰς τήν ἀγοράν, Acts 16:19; εἰς κριτήρια, James 2:6 (πρός τόν δῆμον, Aristophanes eqq. 710; and in Latin, as Caesar b. g. 1, 53 (54, 4)cumtriniscatenisvinctustraheretur, Livy 2, 27cumalictoribusjamtraheretur).
2. metaphorically, to draw by inward power, lead, impel: John 6:44 (so in Greek also; as ἐπιθυμίας ... ἑλκουσης ἐπί ἡδονάς, Plato, Phaedr., p. 238 a.; ὑπό τῆς ἡδονῆς ἑλκόμενοι, Aelian h. a. 6, 31; likewise 4 Macc. 14:13; 15:8 (11).trahitsuaquemquevoluptas, Vergil, ecl. 2, 65); πάντας ἑλκύσω πρός ἐμαυτόν, I by my moral, my spiritual, influence will win over to myself the hearts of all, John 12:32. Cf. Meyer on John 6:44; (Trench, § 21, Compare: ἐξέλκω.)
We have to differentiate between the use of the word helkyso in the passage. If it’s the proper use then Jesus is saying if he is lifted up on the cross he will forcibly drag all to him, if the metaphorical use then Jesus is saying if I am lifted up on the cross I will win over all to me.
Context determines usage
@@dustinhuffman8089 I agree. However, Aaron made an error in saying that it doesn't mean "to drag" at all. The only reason I commented is because that only gives folks like Trey ammo to try and 1-up him.
@44:35 Bob defines 'Proof-texting'.. I don't necessarily disagree with him, but I do believe there are better definitions out there.
Proof-texting is actually a legal term which means to obtain evidence on what you already know or think you know.
In Christianity, this is dangerous because you start with a position, and then you obtain passages that best fit in your pre-notions. This means you're mostly likely not using an exegesis process
Here's a definition of proof-texting that applies: Proof texting is the practice of selecting and quoting specific passages from a text, often a religious scripture, to support a particular point of view or argument. It involves taking isolated verses out of their broader context, potentially leading to a misrepresentation of the intended meaning of the text. It's important to consider the broader context and the overall message of the text to avoid misinterpretation.
@@dwbid42 I like that.
When was the New Testament canonized?
Trey Authority is "what if", what if" and not the Bible, Thank you Brother Aron and Brother Don God Bless you
"the thief on the cross, WE DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS BAPTIZED and he was a Jew" He's 100% POSITIVE no musical instruments were ever used in the NT because the NT was silent on them (they don't consider Revelation NT) yet they don't know if the THIEF was baptized when the NT was silent on that fact.
Mat 28, mark 16,is all about after resurrection
Daniel Paul (church of Christ) mumbai is that after resurrection in the gospel is the New testament beginning and implementation of the command for N.T.
The four Gospels are a mixture of both the old and new testament.
there is a difference between using figures of speech yourself, recognizing that the bible may use them, and then inventing out of your imagination figures of speech and reading them into the text. Making a word a figure of speech whenever it's convenient for your doctrine is a great form of fantasy bible interpretation. If the text itself naturally provides a figure of speech, that works. Creating one out of your own imagination, your own fantasy theology, and claiming that fantasy for a word in the bible is not figure of speech. It's eisegesis and fantasy.
I am not going to take some phrase like "I feel sorry for these men" from Cultish. My intention for them is to learn about CONTEXT. This is happening in the Lord's church now these days, out of context, misleading, misapplied scripture and topical preaching. I believe devotional style, topical preaching is emptying the pews and starves the saints. Here is another shame and I don't say this to offer myself, but there are single men out there who were scripturally divorced that KNOW THE WORD and how to present it and they are applying to come and preach to you and you are rejecting them over married men who have ruined other churches, taught error, misapplied and confused the lost and saints. These Cultish men were taught this error by someone. I pray their teacher/preacher is not teaching this in the pulpit. Churches of Christ, rise up and hire men who STUDY and PREACH the word. It is WRONG not to hire men like this. Our pulpits are emptying and need preachers!!!!
The Law of Christ is mentioned, but not defined in the Bible. Most people define it using Jesus quoting the commandments of the law. So, you are still putting yourself under the law. The Old Covenant ended at the Cross. Otherwise, you will have difficulty meshing the two. Jesus taught the Law, but proclaimed the New.
This theology makes 0 sense. First of all, the 10 Commandments were not the Sinai Covenant. God makes this obvious in Exo. 16 where He specifically mentions His law days before the that particular covenant was ever ratified. Secondly, 1 Jhn 3:4 defines sin as violating that law. Psa. 111:7-8 also says God's laws stand _forever_ , so the idea that they were Sinai Covenant laws has no logical or biblical basis.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 you ought to consider what the Levites said about the Law in Nehemiah 9:13-14. They would know better than we as to when and where the Law was given.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 A covenant requires death to occur to enact it. The death of Jesus enacted the New Covenant (Hebrews 9:16). The Law is still in effect but it is not for Christians but for the lost to lead them to Jesus (1 Timothy 1:8-11). Besides, nobody is obeying the law, whether it is the 10 Commandments or the entire 613 commandments. At least not to the degree God requires (James 2:10).
Trey is word for word stating King James Onlyism, not Church of Christ.
The CoC didn't throw out all of the the O.T. what nonsense. However if you should mention that musical instruments were used in the O.T. (not under the Law but by the COMMANDMENT of the LORD BY HIS PROPHETS 2Chron 29:25) they will reject that pretty fast but they do hurry to the O.T for Naaman and the walls of Jericho to show how God freely GIVES people things WITHOUT WORKS but just through OBEDIENCE (like if your told to dig a ditch is not written if you're OBEDIENT) 43:19 . However if your boss tells you that he will GIVE you a paycheck if you do what he needs to be done (OBEY HIM) that's pretty similar to God saying he had GIVEN Israel Jericho and they would have to march around the city as he told them to do. You are 100% correct that it was God's grace to offer to give them Jericho (he most definitely didn't have to) but once he put a condition to it then they were earning it (even as little as they done) just like you do your paycheck. Same thing goes for Naaman. You can't even use Naaman as having faith (he thought gold etc would buy his healing) as he sure didn't believe in the God of Israel and probably had tried other gods for his healing of leprosy as well.
"We learn about the nature of God (from O,T.)" Yeah but according to y'all his nature changes as he commanded musical instruments in the O.T. and had them as well in heaven according to Revelation.
1Ch 16:42 And with them Heman and Jeduthun with trumpets and cymbals for those that should make a sound, and with MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS OF GOD. And the sons of Jeduthun were porters.
Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the HARPS OF GOD.
Yep the same yesterday, today and forever except for a period of time he now dislikes musical instruments even the MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS OF GOD AND THE HARPS OF GOD.
We don't do anything to become born again but ask God and he does it for free, then we get baptized and live right, that's what is meant saved by faith or grace alone
The context of Peter s.vision.maks us comclude he was saved, otherwise God put his spirit in a dirty vessel, but you're so blinded by Alexander Campbell s teachings you can't see what Jesus is saying to you,. Paul talked about people being baptized on behalf of the dead unbaptized Christians, they were considered christians tho they were not baptized when they were alive, so you're horribly mistaken
also...the miracle HAPPENED TO THE GENTILES...the gentiles didn't perform the miracle. The Spirit was doing something to the jews present, through the gentiles that were about to be spoken to about what they must do.
We are a cult or more accurately we "cult" God. The word just means "worship" or "devotion to a person or thing." It comes from the Latin Word cultus which is where we derive the word culture. Actually we first see the word in 1617, so we indeed cult so embrace it. Remember what Jesus said, " Wide is the road that leads to destruction..." and they are "the blind leading the blind..."
You correctly directed them to Romans 15:4 as well as the Book of Hebrews, specifically Chapter 9 verses 15-18.
The lord told the woman what she needed to know
Just as he told the rich ruler what he needed to know. It was t that baptism wasn’t important. It was and is. We just see the master telling theses people something that they need to understand
These guys don't know how to rightly divide the word of truth
and they're "made near" by the blood of christ...not by the baptism of the HS...
A church of Christ person
A church of christer. As you say
Is a member of the church of Christ
A Christian
"WHY WERE THEY SO ASTONISHED?" You know it could be, might be, maybe that the Gentiles were given the evidence of salvation (who the world could not receive) just as they were at the beginning! Peter already knew this because of his vision, that's why he commanded the Jews to baptize the tongue speaking, God magnifying, BELIEVING (Act 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHALL RECEIVE REMISSION OF SINS.) Gentiles. Now unless you would say Peter would baptize an unbeliever they must have been BELIEVERS and in Acts 10:43 Peter told them that whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. However I realize that seeing that Peter isn't a present day member of YOUR CoC cult that he was badly mistaken (or just lied) as Paul did in the following verses:
Act 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, WHAT MUST I DO TO BE SAVED?
Act 16:31 And they said, BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, AND THOU SHALT BE SAVED, and thy house.
By the way I wish you would share with the world the manuscripts you have that fill in all the conversions between Acts 2 and Acts 10 so we know exactly how each and everyone took place because as you know "we speak where the Bible speaks and are silent where the Bible is silent" unless of course we want to create stories that fill in gaps they way we want them filled.
"There's going to be a tremendous push back by the Jewish Christians"
Amen, (I would have said Amen brother but you preach a false Gospel) we finally agree on something and that's exactly what this verse shows ------Act 10:48 And he COMMANDED them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Peter was NOT commanding the Gentiles to be baptized but rather was commanding the Jews who were with him to baptize them.
The following verses show exactly what you said about the push back from the Jews.
Act 10:45 They of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter. - The expression in the original is very strong. They were almost out of their mind with wonder. As to the persons whose wonder here forms so prominent a part of the scene, see Act 10:23 and Act 11:12. Popular New Testament Commentary
Peter had to defend himself to the Jews when he got back.
Act 11:1 And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.
Act 11:2 AND WHEN PETER WAS COME UP TO JERUSALEM, THEY THAT WERE OF THE CIRCUMCISION CONTENDED WITH HIM,
Act 11:3 SAYING, THOU WENTEST IN TO MEN UNCIRCUMCISED, AND DIDST EAT WITH THEM.
Acts 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
**Acts 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; the what was I, that I could withstand God?
In Acts 10:47 Peter asks "can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized*" He then commands that they should be baptized speaking to those who might have wanted to forbid them being baptized. The ones to be baptized had received the Holy Spirit and were magnifying God so they would have wanted to be baptized to show they were now disciples of Jesus and would not have to be given a command to do so. THIS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT A PREACHER SAYS AT A WEDDING CEREMONY - "SHOULD ANYONE PRESENT KNOW OF ANY REASON THAT THIS COUPLE SHOULD NOT BE JOINED IN HOLY MATRIMONY, SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE” and when he says this he is NOT speaking to the bride and groom.
Trey is completely confused. I pray he will repent
believing ...repenting.... confessing...baptism....its all doing something...also...something happened to this dude at the church....i think to his son....just saying...
You blasphem against the holy spirit by denying that Cornelius was saved before water baptism because it means God his holy spirit in a dirty vessel, your answer is full of assumptions.
One can KNOW the Bible up and down over and under --BUT if you twist it and do not rightly divide it you are making a mess of the whole plan of God. Catholics, mormons, jws, c of c and many others make a mess of scripture
Acts 10 "He said they were converted the Bible didn't say that"
Of course they weren't CONVERTED and the Bible didn't say that. How foolish!
Act 10:39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom THEY SLEW AND HANGED ON A TREE:
Act 10:40 Him GOD RAISED UP THE THIRD DAY, and shewed him openly;
Act 10:41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, WHO DID EAT AND DRINK WITH HIM AFTER HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD.
Act 10:42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
Act 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, THAT THROUGH HIS NAME WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHALL RECEIVE REMISSION OF SINS.
Oh oh wait a minute. They heard the Gospel (and were told that WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHALL RECEIVE REMISSION OF SINS. No doubt about it they definitely were still children of the devil even though the following verse says this about the Gospel - Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the GREEK.
Act 10:46 For THEY HEARD THEM SPEAK WITH TONGUES, AND MAGNIFY GOD. Then answered Peter,
Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, WHICH HAVE RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST AS WELL AS WE?
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the PROMISE OF THE SPIRIT THROUGH FAITH. (GENTILES
They were definitely still infidels and caught up in sin even though THEY NOW SPOKE IN TONGUES, MAGNIFIED GOD and even received the Holy Ghost just as the Apostles had.
Oh wait a minute here's a couple more verses. Drats What were the apostles told about receiving the Spirit?
Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall GIVE YOU ANOTHER COMFORTER , that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; WHOM THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE , BECAUSE IT SEETH HIM NOT , NEITHER KNOWETH HIM : but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Oh well we don't believe the rest of the N.T. (unless it's talking about Jesus turning baptism into wine or walking on baptism - we like those verses along with John 3:5) so why should we believe what all this evidence so clearly and indisputably shows, that the Gentiles were indeed converted before baptism. Can't we talk about Acts 2:38 again please?
Act 11:14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
Act 11:15 And AS I BEGAN TO SPEAK, THE HOLY GHOST FELL ON THEM, as on us at the beginning.
Y'all need to get off Acts 2:38 and read the Bible!
PETER GOT OUT ALL THE WORDS NECESSARY FOR THEM TO BE SAVED PER THE FOLLOWING VERSE. Act 11:14 WHO SHALL TELL THEE WORDS , WHEREBY THOU AND ALL THY HOUSE SHALL BE SAVED.
Here are the words that Peter got out:
Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Act 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)
Act 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
Act 10:39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; WHOM THEY SLEW AND HANGED ON A TREE:
DEATH
Act 10:40 Him GOD RAISED UP THE THIRD DAY, AND SHEWED HIM OPENLY;
BURIAL & RESURRECTION
Act 10:41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, WHO DID EAT AND DRINK WITH HIM AFTER HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD.
Act 10:42 AND HE COMMANDED US TO PREACH UNTO THE PEOPLE, AND TO TESTIFY THAT IT IS HE WHICH WAS ORDAINED OF GOD TO BE THE JUDGE OF QUICK AND DEAD.
ACT 10:43 TO HIM GIVE ALL THE PROPHETS WITNESS, THAT THROUGH HIS NAME WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHALL RECEIVE REMISSION OF SINS.
Act 10:44 WHILE PETER YET SPAKE THESE WORDS, THE HOLY GHOST FELL ON ALL THEM WHICH HEARD THE WORD.
THE GOSPEL!!
Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles BY MY MOUTH SHOULD HEAR THE WORD OF THE GOSPEL, and BELIEVE.
Act 15:8 And GOD, WHICH KNOWETH THE HEARTS, BARE THEM WITNESS, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, PURIFYING THEIR HEARTS BY FAITH .
Not only the Church of Christ but any building that professes God is in it or have any form of godliness written on their building like Church of Christ Church of God in Christ Baptist this Baptist that first Church of this or that they are all cults because God said he does not dwell in building made with hands
Good point
Trey - “Baptism is a righteous deed, but guess what it is? It’s a filthy rag to God.”
Jesus - “He that BELIEVETH and is BAPTIZED shall be SAVED; but he that believeth not shall be damned.” • Mark 16:16
Peter the apostle - “The like figure whereunto even BAPTISM DOTH also now SAVE US (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ…” • 1 Peter 3:21
Trey - “There is nothing you can do for your salvation.”
Peter the apostle -
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, WHAT SHALL WE DO?
38 Then Peter said unto them, REPENT, and BE BAPTIZED every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, SAVE YOURSELVES from this untoward generation. • Acts 2:37-40
Trey - “It’s faith alone in Christ alone.”
James -
17 Even so FAITH, IF IT HATH NOT WORKS, IS DEAD, BEING ALONE.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and NOT BY FAITH ONLY. • James 2:17-24
😞💔 Trey, please repent.
It is so aggravating to listen to the uniformed, condescending, straw manning that these men continually claim.
Comments mean more with some examples.
If the church does not hold to the doctrine that Jesus is the Son and is God, it is not christianity!!! Get out to call yourself christian!
@gospelbroadcastingnetwork it's funny how they think Jesus was referring to water baptism when he was talking to the woman at the well, when in fact he was talking about the Holy Spirit (John 7:38-39).
Hey will you do an entire pod on the thief on the cross, since this is a false teacher's go-to? Put this weak argument to bed? Also explain a SYNECDOCHE that is extremely prevalent in the study of salvation. An honest person would submit to truth when he or she hears it, but a reprobate mind that is so engulfed in error and ignorance, love of money, love of reputation, cannot change because of what their followers will say, worldly mindedness, will not see truth for they are blind; but we will see in the end, and they will wish they had listened and obeyed. "This is the way" - Mandalorians
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We have spoken - haha thanks for the comment!