3 Idiots vs. 1 Printer - Our First Day Learning The Roland VG2-540
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- 3 idiots vs 1 printer. Watch as the team sets up and runs the new roland vg2-540 for the first time
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I know just got this all going. but when you can I would move over to HP Latex Printer. zero out gassing. straight to finishing or instillation. water based ink. no need for venting. everything is user replaceable. look into the 700/700w. 6 years ago I ran everything by my local shop. that I outsource to. in that time hes moved the whole shop to latex.
Just bought my first Roland TrueVis SG2-540. Every issue you had I literally had myself learning the equipment. I wasnt a novice to wraps and signs when I bought the equipment, but theres definately a learning curve to a lot of the process. Once you start to figure things out its incredibly fun and rewarding. Best of luck thanks for the great content cant wait for more!
Thanks man. This was quite a while ago and I didn't get any training with the machine. I managed to get through most of the rough stuff in a week or two thankfully, and I've gotten everything super dialed in the last 2 years of running it. Glad to be past this haha
Here is a good tip for cutting: Versaworks will cut your stickers in the order that you have them in your AL Layers panal. You will want to organize your cuts in order in your CUT layer. You want to cut with as little movement as possible. This will huge help.
Hey Lee, the issue with the big circle print and the machine not finding the crop marks- it's a simple thing that took me years to cop to (forgive me if you realised this already): the furthest right and furthest left pinch rollers can't be where the crop marks are (as in, in line with them), the head won't read them. The crops need to be within those pinch rollers. You had an issue because you printed a ridiculously big print. In theory, you can print almost to the edge, but the machine won't warn you that it can't read the crops after. If it was a print and cut, it would do it as it doesn't rely on the crops, it know where it printed (which has its own issues). I know this to be true because the machine started cutting when the print was not held by the right pinch, which caused the bunch up of material, it started as the pinch wasn't in line with the crop mark.
👆🏾 best advice yet. I’ve learned this the hard way and wasted lots of vinyl figuring this part out. Registration mark spacing and distance is key
Man I wish I had a quarter of your patience you never quit until you get it figured out it’s what keeps me looking forward too the next video keep up the great work 👍
Thanks man. That's what it's all about when it comes to any kind of entrepreneurship
okay, I am about two years out from using very similar equipment, but here are some thoughts from my memories... The pinch rollers can move. You will defiantly want to get used to adjusting/moving them based on your prints. There is a special kind of pissed off that happens when the the pinch rollers track the last 6 inches of an 8 foot print. Adjusts them to avoid heavy ink coverage (or put them in negative space between labels). You should be able to control the heat on the exit on your Roland. Different substrates out-gas better with different temps. I remember white ink on clear stock being a real bitch until we figured out the right temp. On the laminator, follow the diagram on the left side under the E-stop. The 'backer' paper should roll around the silver bar and will help keep proper tension. Get used to adjusting tension on your rolls. Keep the rolled up baking paper and re-use it on the exit. Our supplier kept trying to sell special take up paper the we didn't need.
i honestly enjoy the videos. good job, i cant wait to own one of these one day. keep up the good work.
Thanks! I absolutely love this machine now that I have it working right
Love the videos! Your making all the mistakes I first made on our VG-540! Don't worry tho you will have it figured out in no time!! Just wait til you have to service the bastard for the first time!!
Yup we made a ton of mistakes, most of it is rolling smoothly now though 🤘🏻
Lee, I've been running Wide Format production for the better part of 16 years, I might be able to shorten the learning curve, any questions fire away, happy to help,
Truly love your vids Lee. I have been watching your videos for a few weeks, and I just say that I have been learning a ton from you! I was wondering if you could possibly make a video about how did you fund your business at the beginning? Everyone has a different way of figuring everything out. But I’d love to learn about more things in did in the beginning of your journey.
Great production values. Thank you.
Thanks!
I have been on a VS-640 for about 5 ish years. Going to Nazdar tomorrow to look at the VG3-540. Wish me luck. Thanks for sharing.
Love my VG2, it's been a workhorse. Heard the VG3 is even better yet, you definitely won't regret it.
Was a good day haha. Can’t wait to learn all the cool shit we can and will do with this setup.
I can still taste that fart
Lee Stuart your welcome 😂😂
Always a learning curve with something new. I used to run a Roland SP 300. Good printer. But when the shop I worked at changed over to a SC 540. I had to learn a whole new style of things to get it to do what I wanted it to do. Stick with. It will come in time of playing around with it.
Thanks. I've had a couple weeks with it since this stuff was shot and it's going so much smoother now, no more really dumb stuff anyways. Now it's just down to perfecting the craft 🤘🏻
Great Video! I enjoyed! Thanks for sharing! Cheers!
Thanks a lot 🤘🏻
An investment in some fitted dust covers for your Roland will serve you well!
Thanks for sharing. Great video
Experience is the greatest teacher.
It’s true dude.
This is the best advice for anything 🙌🏻
theres nothing like a 30 minute Lee Stuart video
Thanks man 🤘🏻
The trial and error method - slow but works.. keep it up man and can't wait to see what you come up with. cheers.
Definitely not the easiest route but I'm glad it's going this way, I've already learned so much
About time they show up in a video lol
Once we're in the new shop they'll be in damn near every video 🤘🏻
Good Job Bro! Well worth the time! :)
Thanks 🙏🏻
Once again should being going to bed but always got time for a lee Stuart video. Keep it up
Appreciate you! 👊🏻
cool video guys that printer and laminator is awesome great stuff
Thanks!
Hey man, I had a Roland XC-540 and a Mimaki CV130, I suggest you take contour cutting offline, get a Summa Vinyl cutter T160 or something similar and let your printer print and the cutter cut, I ran into so many issues with cutting inline exactly what you had and finally bailed and took it offline, this is especially true when you remove the printed take up roll and laminate, then reload, it was a pain in the ass right from the get go.
Hey man, watch a lot of your videos but rarely comment.
I've run a vinyl shop forever and trying to get into tshirts, you're doing the opposite :p
Couple of tips I'm sure you already figured out:
1) you need more white space before and after your print, so that the sheet doesnt roll off the rollers
2) you got a roland, its solvent ink, so although you can get good detail, and print on lots of uncoated media, it's missing a tiny bit of quality, I'm sure you will accept that
3) since its solvent, you cannot laminate right away, wait 24-48 hours after printing to allow it to out gas. (Preventing the bubbles)
4) you're gonna figure this out soon: you will need a stand alone cutter. You're gonna find out you are losing time by using the same machine for printing and cutting.
Happy you got such a great setup! Mine was nowhere near that quality! Good luck man.
If you are looking to move on, I would highly suggest looking into a latex machine (like the hp 370 or 350) no need to wait, faster print, no head clogs, user replaceable heads, faster, better print, but you need a stand alone cutter.
Also, if you are looking into stickers, look at the perfcut function! It will "die cut" stickers for you (but eat up your blade and cutting strip) versaworks has the perfcut built in.
I know this comment wasn’t for me but I just got a Roland printer this week and reading this will help me a lot. Thank you
@@ducktech6662 congrats! Wish you all the success with your new machine, its a beast!
Roland is a solid wide format, good choice. Fair price and a straight up work horse.
Love this machine now that I have the bugs worked out
Line your crop mark up with the black strip and hold your finger over the sensor if the sheet is too small. should find it mint!
I figured that one out last week, it's a good trick haha
If you forget and cut the vinyl short you can also tape an extra 5 or 6 inches to save it
parcero lee stuart ud tiene el taller mas genial de el mundo
le felicito que buen trabajo hace ud yo estoy aqui en colombia su canal es muy bueno !
I'm only a hobbyist but I have a 30" Roland machine. After I load in the vinyl I back feed the roll (Up arrow) until the machine stops it and I set my base point there so I'm not wasting too much vinyl on the front end before I hit print. Afters it's printed but before I do a sheet cut I feed the print forward (down arrow) until the back registration marks are right before the plexiglass door then set the baseline there then do a sheet cut so I can laminate. It gives me enough slack on the back end once i refeed it into the machine for cutting. Once you get different vinyl (or if you know which vinyl they* gave you for free) go to the Roland profile center sign up (it's free) and download the profile thats made for the vinyl and your machine you're using. It'll have the best settings for that type of vinyl instead of just using the generic profile that comes with the versaworks. Hope it helps.
Thanks man. Thankfully the profile thing is one of the few things I knew about going into this so I haven't had any issues there. I've done some testing with and without the proper profiles and they really do make a huge difference
If you ever get tired of waiting for the prints to dry, look at a latex printer. I'd also consider getting a separate cutter if you start printing a lot. Not being able to print and cut at the same time can suck.
Latex just isn't there yet when it comes to color quality, id rather wait the 6 hours of gassing for accurate matching and more depth because we set a standard for quality in everything else we've been doing for years now. But I will be adding a graphtec fc9000 when we move to our new shop soon, there just isn't the space in here for a second unit
do you still use this Roland? or have you replaced it with the Summa S2? or are they completely different? I am looking into getting a dedicated adhesive vinyl sticker/decal machine. start out small, of course, and then work up to a higher-capacity machine at some point?
I have the exact same equipment. Gawd, I was LMAO..not at you but with you. Been there done that. The tech showed me roughly how to laminate then said some words about laminating as he was leaving I still smile about: "There are as many ways to laminate as there are owners".
I've got a brand new Camm GR-2 cutter that's a paper weight. I bought it for perf cutting stickers. Not going good.
Those first few weeks were rough haha, thankfully I got it all figured out after that. I've unfortunately heard that a lot about the GR2. I opted for the Summa and absolutely love it. I perf cut around 10,000-20,000 stickers per month and it's been flawless. I have a video about it's first run if you haven't seen that yet 🤘🏻
@@leestuart38
I don't do near that volume. I've got the #4 of the series. I think you got the perfect tool for that kind of volume. Best wishes. Love your work ethic. Mine is the same without a nose ring. 😃
At 17:05 you mentioned that it would scan the first crop mark and then try to read the logo as a separate crop mark, the reason behind that, sounds like a miss alignment with the vinyl itself. Crop marks are aligned straight with each other. With large pieces of vinyl, it’s very common that it comes off track. In most cases that I’ve seen, it’s moves 1/16th of an inch per foot. 5 foot vinyl, means it moves like a 1/4 or an inch over all. It reads ink on the vinyl, even if you get a head strike on the vinyl, it will read that at times. Also it looks like a miss alignment solely because at 15:51 you can see the pinch rollers are like 1” off the edge. When it was cutting the back right side, more than likely went off the pinch roller; which made the vinyl roll upwards, which caught the cutting head. I’ve ran Roland XR-640, Oki-E64s and M series, and a Mimaki CJVs and those were issues I would have as well with larger pieces of vinyl.
Side note, I feel like you should of gotten a printer and a cutter separately over a combo. Printer cutters are slow as shit when it comes to printing and cutting. But main reason.. in a efficiency standpoint. You can be cutting one machine while printing more new stuff.
Your current set up means, you will print. Remove vinyl from printer, laminate , put back vinyl on printer and cut.
Efficient setups have both printer and cutter separately, means you will print your first job, remove vinyl from printer, print another job, laminate first job, cut first job. You can keep the printer always printing, where as a combo you need to wait for the printer to finish cutting.
Lee, I just started watching your videos. Love your energy and vibes! I have subscribed! Where is the laminator from? What brand is it?
Thanks a lot. It's a GFP, I gotta say I'm not a fan of it though
Laughed my ass off watching you guys trying to be carpenters, keep the videos coming but don't quit your day jobs!
Hahaha if this was metal fab it would be an entirely different story, but when it comes to carpentry I'll admit I'm useless
Do you have the design sheets for the table and racks? I'd love to make one myself. Also, what brand is the laminator?
It's a GFP 355TH 55" Laminator
I use a mimaki cjv150-160. Very good machine. Maybe you consider to try one.Prints like a charm and cutt beautiful. I make perfcutt on x1+ultracurve1500 and works perfect even with 30 stock blade. But as you said, while i'm cutting the money don't come so i'm looking for a flatbed cutter. I wait a video from you with a flatbed cutter. Greetings from Romania
Line up the crop marks then pull the handle up and down before pressing cut, always works for me.
Thanks for all your videos, I felt your pain and frustration with the print cut alignment! It's a relief to see I'm not alone with the trial and error. I've been doing vinyl graphics on my own for about 10 years and I'm waiting for my VG2! What colour setup are you using, any regrets? Impressive with everything you've accomplished so quickly. All the best!
Thanks man. Those first few weeks with the machine were pretty tough, but that's due to the serious lack of training I got and had to figure it out on my own. Now that I've had it for about a year and a half it's been great for me, it's made a lot of money for the shop and produced some really cool stuff. I'm running the 8 color setup with the orange ink 👍🏻
Cool thanks! I'm working on a long list of questions I've got for delivery day and have a pretty good relationship with the tech. I'm sure there will be a learning curve but hopefully all goes well.
Full send with all of rogue lab in the garage 🤙🏼
Got the whole crew for once 🙌🏻
hey lee thanks for the great video what brand of hat is that thanks steve
hahahahahahaha very funny thank you for the video
you earned a subscriber from North Africa
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So you trying to register that cut was almost exactly my trying to figure it out when I got my equipment. Only I had my wife standing over my shoulder mocking my failures.
Thankfully I was by myself for a lot of that 😂
Divorce her bro
You have to “BASE POINT” the media once you line it up so the Roland doesn’t push out the vinyl
I totally came here just to say "SET BASE POINT"!
Copy that :)
if you find yourself with not enough vinyl in the front don't worry. you don't need a lot of material in the front maybe an inch, all you need to do is cheat a little, Tape the front sensor then match base point to your crop mark then you're good to go.
I just got my printer and im starting my little business. Wish me luck guys.
Good luck man 🤘🏻
@@leestuart38 thanks a lot brother, by the way i forgot to mention i been working with this type of machines for almost 4 years. I work in a sign shop 😄 which it has been helpful to learn even more things. I run the machines daily, i wish i had known about your channel sooner, i could probably had help you with some tips to get it running. Spend mos of my savings on this machine, hopefully everything goes well. Thank you for the support man. Now i just need to save up to buy a good laptop to get it running smooth.
You can place those circles close together. The cutting blade may need adjusted. Check if you have the media clamps, if that printer needs them.
It's got the clamps. That was definitely not having enough rear leading causing the bunch up on the big cut, now I know for next time
A user's manual usually comes with the printer. If you didn't get one, you can download a bunch of support documents, including the user's manual from www.rolanddga.com/support/products/print-printcut/truevis-vg2-540-54-eco-solvent-inkjet-printer-cutter.
We built our own table out of wood. Even put heavy duty casters on it so we can push it the way when we need to
I was confused the first time I bought 4 x 8 MDF as they sell it in Canada 49" x 97" oversized - it's apparently is because people crush the corners in transport LOL
Haha it’s confused the hell outta us for a bit 😂
Hey, what is the name of the vinyl you are printing on?
I think this was Arlon
O man, I recognize so much of the hustle when I started with the Roland SG and the laminator. If you use thicker material, you can higher the print heads. Just an advice if you ever go and print canvas or textiles
And a big roller makes your life also much better
Ya I run the head in the medium position for most stuff, the low is asking for trouble in my opinion. I had it drag on extremely thin material. Still haven't tried banner or canvas yet but I have rolls of each sitting here ready to try when I get some time
Stickers are to far apart ,wasting a lot of vinyl
I have been using a Roland for the last two years and have done everything wrong you possibly could. Here are my top tips.
BASELINE. Always set the baseline. It can prevent a lot of scraps and wasted vinyl.
Leave room on the side of your vinyl for the rollers. Putting vinyl on straight from a roll is easier to get right but when you are reloading for a cut laminate sheet you need to make sure that you have wiggle room.
Check rollers between prints if you are doing long runs of the same thing (advisable as the rollers can slip over long prints causing the cutting head to misalign on the print) because it may not be obvious over the meter or so of the printing group but when you are doing ten groups it can be an issue by number 9 or 10.
CZcams. There is a lot of videos out there that will teach you more about what your machine can do. Yes, some are a bit long but if you haven't got an instruction manual then it will be worth it.
Offgas. Especially when using the laminate. I have had issues with laminating without proper off-gassing causing bubbles. Often after you have sent the job out. From what I understand that is the biggest problem you can have with lamination.
Lint-free cloths/rags. Dust (and cat hair) can quickly ruin something that has taken time to produce which was otherwise perfect. Wiping down before or while it is going through the laminator (as you did) will save a lot of jobs.
Hope that helps and keep plugging away at it as there is lots of fun to be had with wide format printing.
And one other thing, if you have white ink in there shake it every day and every time before using it.
Thanks man. We've have a few weeks with it now so a lot of this beginner stuff has been learned and dealt with thankfully, but there's still so much more to know
Wow Great, nice
What's up man. I just found you on CZcams yesterday. I like the way you're looking. We have a lot in common and looks like were walking the same path. I'm just about 3 years behind you. I Own Thread Chemistry T shirt & Print Co. & Misplaced Morals Clothing Company. MM is the Brand. TC is custom work for businesses, brands, etc. which is what I'm focusing more on bc as you know. It's hard to start a brand. Anyway, I had a quick question. If you were to buy a large format printer today, what would you go with? Stick with the roland? or maybe a HP or Epson? Any advice would be greatly appreciated my man. Thanks
You can put a piece of vinyl on the front censor so it doesn’t shoot out.
just out of curiousity, what kind of camera do you use and how long can you record on it continuesly?
I use a canon 6D mark ii. It has a 29minute limit for continuous video shooting like most DSLR's
I feel with you. So much venyl that i destroyed before get good results. I had the problem that i have to adjust the complete printer, bought it cheap and it needed some work :D i never had a printer like that before. But now it works good ;)
I love your videos and iam at the point to get good results in screen printing. But i get results that the ink doenst get off when i wash the clothes. and no cracks ;) But i have a lot to learn there :D
Just like anything it'll take some trial and error to help things figured out and working well 🤘🏻
I learnt everything the hard way. Making mistakes. I wish i had someone to teach me.
All your mistakes i remember doing and then having to figure out on my own.
It's a great way to learn in my opinion, because we got them out of the way in the beginning and we'll never make those mistakes again
Lee if you dont mine what did you pay for the vs540 and laminate michine
This is the VG2540 not the VS, together they were about $35k Canadian
Need to give an extra 5 or 6 inches of the print so it has enough material for the pinch rollers I did the same thing on my very first print.
Have you realised that your table is too low by now? 😀. Oh, and yeah, a third party RIP like Caldera is pricy, but fuck, it’s so worth it!
It has adjustable legs now haha, tony didn't listen when I told him that the first time. I tried caldera for a bit and honestly hated everything about it. I can set up my files in illustrator much easier and just use versaworks to send it to the printer. I also noticed the quality of the prints was much better through versaworks. Which it should be since they're made for each other
Once you get it figured out that ROLAND will make you serious money.
Hello, What Laminator is that. Is it just a cold laminator. Let me know. Thanks
It's a GFP laminator, top heated roller
Cheers, was wondering the demensions for the table please going to have someone fabricate for me thanks
It's 5'x10'
@@leestuart38 ty
The micro-bubbles is "silvering." The heat assist roller will solve those issues. I have the same GFP 355TH and the max heat is 122º....I have the best results with most all 3M overlams at about 110º
I still haven't even read the manual for that laminator 😂. But that's good to know, I had the heat on 2 I think, so I can go way higher. Thanks man!
Bro. go to Stahls tv on youtube they have lots of videos on this Machine.
Also I have a lamentation machine all I could tell you is the more you do the better you get.
I've finally had time to do some proper learning and research, things have gotten a lot better
🔥🔥Cool Man!!! 🔥🔥
Do you still like the printer cutter? Does it make good stickers? I have a couple brands that are blowing up and I’m determined to get a sticker printer in my warehouse. Looking at the HP latex and this machine. Thanks in advance man.
Love this machine. I would definitely go with an eco solvent printer long before latex
@@leestuart38 thanks Lee
Didn't a dealer install and train you on the equipment you purchased?
There's a whole video about it
Nice table. You don’t need the cut marks for each row off labels.
I know, this was was all just testing and learning
your issue with it pushing the vinyl out three inches is because of the media sensor.
you could try taping over the sensor to trick it, but it's easier to just leave a bit more media in front of the print.
It was the lack of setting a base point that was doing it. Now I know better
What's the name of your Laminating Machine?
GFP 355 TH
Also before you have the machine start to read the crop marks make sure you hit Function button and set the base point. Should be the first option
Hahahaha I'm typing as I'm watching! You got it bud!!
Haha yup, can't believe I didn't find that sooner
What is the laminator that you use?
GFP 355 TH
Just a question can you do die cut with this machine?
Yes you can, but I'll admit it's cutting functions aren't the best
@@leestuart38 whats a good plotter to do die cutting? Im printing stickers with roland but i want to die cut to the shape of design.
Set the base point on the crop marks
The tiny bubbles under the laminate is called silvering, it usually shows up most under black. Hot roller lamination solves this issue.
Mine is heated, maybe it wasn't hot enough. But it does go away completely by the next day. I need to test more
@@leestuart38 yes it goes away in time, here we have the Australian sun that will bake the shit out anything
@@leestuart38 Watch using heat on your laminator on smaller die cut stickers. Sometimes the heat can cause shrinkage and make cut off slightly when you go to cut .
Good title.
You're here watching, so it worked
the brand of you used sised brick on thanks lee
use the take up roller ;)
Nice man. lmfao at this vid.
You definitely didnt have enough excess vinyl for the pinch rollers. You gotta be careful cause things like head strike are your very expensive enemy. Its going to take a long time to figure everything out. Because different material and vinyls require different settings. Ive been doing vinyl with my rolands for a couple years now, and even now im still learning
Ya I've definitely learned to have some leading. It's gonna be a long road but we're already miles ahead of where we were
@@leestuart38 well if you have any questions ive been doing this for a couple years now
Working in commercial printing for 22 years, title alone was a must click bait Even with experience, you'll still have days when all things go FUBAR.
Notes: 1. Like the number of pinch rollers Rolland has. Have issues with wide contour cutters that only come with 4 rollers. 2. Get yourself some Swiffer Dusters to wipe the vinyl while laminating. Just don't get Swiffer stuck in the rollers : P 3. You can tape laminate to small vinyl jobs. With no lam installed in the laminator. Insert taped vinyl n lam (plan some waist material for rollers to grip), flip the lam over the machine, pull and hold the backer to the lam. Start the machine, swift, and keep pulling/sliding the backer back. 4. Personally, I like laminating everything from off a roll. Find end product comes out much cleaner for me in the dirty work environment. 5. If you finish cutting the big logo by hand. Would not recommend putting that graphics down on the floor with out a proper floor laminate. Could end up with some work accidents slipping on the product.
Ever have questions about vinyl and for what applications. Be happy to help.
PS. past and current employment. Never have I waited for degassing. Not saying it could not be a thing, but just saying after 1000 plus prints...
Thanks a lot for that dude! There's definitely a lot I can pick up from this
Bought a new printer and laminator and didn't get training that was really smart.
😂😂😂 you must be new here
@@leestuart38 yes I'm good video👍🏼👍🏼
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thats a lot spacing between the logo. you can save some films by putting them close that way your not wasting the film.
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Took me ages to find out the Roland printer
They're not easy in the beginning that's for sure, especially with no training. But they're not so bad after a while, I was fully dialed within a month
Carpenters first rule: measure twice and them measure to make sure the first two are right .
Haha yup
u need to use cutting machine summa brand
The "micro bunbbeling" will get out after 24 hours +- it's always like that with laminate. It has to dry
Yup figured that out by the next day haha
If you ever need help with the Roland let us know, we have been through all these issues self learning ha. @inhouseprints
Thanks dude! I've got it mostly dialed in now but those first couple days were rough 😂
Base point lol
Can't believe it took me so long 😑
User manual should be available to read online in pdf form