Why airless tires are so tricky. These ties have no air in them. They were created by Michelin to stop flat tires and the large amount of resulting rubber waste #shorts
A big problem is the tread. A lot of tires need to be replaced because the tread wears out. Most people see these and think they would never had to replace a tire again, but because of the tread they will end up replacing a lot of tires anyway. Because the airless tires use more material they will cost more and could generate even more waste/pollution.
I'd say the vast majority of tyres, at least in my country, are replaced exactly because of thread wear. Dirt roads are not common, here, even in the countryside. So, that mindset wouldn't be the norm. Yes, there are refurbished tyres, but people think they're less safe and heavier, only suited for agricultural machines/tractors. By the way, these must be a lot heavier than regular tyres.
No, like the other post stated they will be retreaded. The tire place will just send the used ones back for that. So less rubber is required. Any one that is damaged beyond repair will be recycled. Tires are my life. This has been in development for over 20 years and millions in research
Dont forget about load distribution, air pneumatic tyres distribute the load along the entire wheel with the pressurized air while the airless tyre would trasfer it directly. This would greatly reduce the lifespan of the wheel itself.
thats why most airless tyres are more of a solid design. however the draw back is if u brake suddenly youll destroy the tyre and it will be all deformed having flat spots where u braked.
I can't believe people still hate trump after biden has bled us all dry with high inflation and taxes. You must be one of those "14th amendment loophole" Americans who's worried about your pathetic parents inevitable deportation.
They’re widely used on heavy construction equipment, lawn mowers, and landfill machinery. Just not cars. They’re also really expensive, that’s why they’re not widely used.
A company I do work for has dozens of pieces of heavy machinery and not a single airless tire. Forklifts yeah, cause they only roll on smoothe concrete floors, but anything that has to deal with roads? I don't think so.
@leoncaples2947 I have a skid loader that has Michelin Tweel tires on it -- same design from the video. They're popular for lighter equipment like mowers and skid steers.
The also didn’t didn’t address the other issues. They just decided that they spent enough time and money on development and it’s now “good enough” to sell to you at a premium
These things would likely wear out faster than normal tires. To top it off, if you want new ones you need to buy new rims as well. It wouldn't put anyone out of business.
Oldsmobile in the 70's had a composite rim instead of steel, which heat and bumps deformed and cracked them creating an actual leak on the tubeless tire..it was an item ahead of it's time
The most important problems to be solved when engineering tires is safety, handling, cost, ability to handle inclement weather and rough terrain, and longevity. Flats are not a serious problem and it was solved a 100 years ago - you carry a spare. I have been driving for over 50 years and won't buy a vehicle that doesn't have a spare. I think I have had maybe 4 flats, mostly when I was young. So I get a flat maybe once every 13-15 years, change the tire, and off I go.
And also when it comes to Flats when I buy a car if it has a dummy Tire I'll go to the junkyard buy the right size wheel and go get the right size tire for a spare
@drwilsom1, my question is, given this will "defeat the purpose of spike strips", what will law enforcement have to come up with to ensure they can still disable regular tires and now these too without first having to "identify that the vehicle doing 100mph" actually has "airless tires"....
It’s very rare to get a flat tire, at least where I live. The reason why tires still need to be changed regularly is because of the tread wear. I don’t see these kinds of tires reducing the tread wear, so they still also will end up in landfills and what not.
I just see an issue with snow or water getting in the middle and driving in those conditions can alter the way the tire flexes. As well as driving fast and turning. Without a sidewall that’s filled with air, that may be a hazard in those scenarios
They also will need to be totally clean of any dirt build up or snow-ice build up within those ribs- otherwise the entire balance of the wheel will be off, and it will feel very unstable at higher speeds.
It amazes me that with how far we've come in automotive technology, our tires have remained rubber tubes with air! No matter how expensive a car may be, it rides on balloons, no matter how far advanced a car may be, it still has the balloons as it's weakest link. It's about time someone came up with a game changer.
Weakest link? They are the thing that Newton's-3rd-Laws your car down the road for tens of thousands of kilometres before the tread wears down by a handful of mm. Watch a video where they put a camera inside a radial tyre and watch the punishment it absorbs. They're amazing.
It’s called….a concept😮 the worlds first car couldn’t run more than 2 or 3 miles without the engine overheating, imagine if they had stopped there because of that💀 it’s a work in progress, all new technology is
@@adamstilwell4209 that wouldn't be too much of a problem considering that we have to switch between regular tires and softer more frost-resistant tires anyway. What I'm worried about is turning because when you turn you create a force that tries to push the inner section of a tire sideways, outside of the outer part that's in contact with the road, and these filaments holding them together don't look like they will like that type of strain
@@haze_2563 this shits like 15 years old. michellin perfected this tech over 10 years ago. its already in space. they abandoned airless rubber tyres in exchange for the style they put on lunar rovers now made from mesh.
I had these on my John Deere mower Since 2015 and I wouldn’t put them on my car until they deal with the shock absorption issue. But they are excellent for landscaping
The whole point, which is to reduce waste rubber, isn't achievable this way. Because eventually the tyre profile will run flat anyway, whether the tyre punctures or not, which doesn't happen very often anyway. So by using the extra material used in the airless tyre you will, in the end, still produce more waste than with the conventional tyres.
Few questions: 1. What happens if a large rock gets stuck between those gaps? 2. How deep is the tread? You need decent tread otherwise you will hydroplane on water and have no traction on mud or ice. 3. What happens if you hit a pothole going 40kph? Will it just hurt the people inside or tear apart the tire? 4. How does the tire handle cold temperatures of -10C or lower? 5. How much more expensive, is more expensive? And if they are more expensive how long do they last? 5 years? 10?
Electric scooters use airless tires. 3 issues with them. 1. Grip. On wet surfaces, a solid tire can slip more 2. Tread. Once you're out of it, this circles back to 1, but worse. 3. Replacability. It's possible, but agonizing to replace these particular tires. Because they're solid. They don't deform easily.
Had the airless tires on the zero turn mowers when I worked for this landscaping company.. they were the greatest thing ever made it very easy to hop curbs
A tire with air not only would be cheaper to manufacture, but it would offer superior performance. I wonder if Michelin might want to explore that avenue.
Last time Michelin tried to reinvent the wheel with their PAX tire system on the Honda Odyssey it resulted in lots of angry customers, extremely limited availability, high replacement costs, poor wear and performance, lawsuits, and finally a regular tire option.
Rest assured, the durability will be only slightly better than compared to air tires, just as much that customers are willing to pay the additional price. The development of this tire took two years, to make sure durability does not exceed expectations it took another two years :)
Only useful as an emergency spare. Cannot be used as a touring or performance tyre. Gas milage will also decrease, rolling resistance looks to probably be much higher. Best to be used in poor street quality situations or as an emergency spare, or on an offroad or construction vehicles.
I have these Michelin tires on my lawn mowers. For a pair of 20” tires it’s $1,100 and for my 24” tires, they’re $750 each so $1,500 for a pair. They’re good for mowers but not sure how well they’ll be on a car.
Good God almighty what kind of a lawn mower do you have that putting on tires that cost thousands of dollars makes it worthwhile? Suddenly my 24 horsepower 52" deck Husqvarna riding mower seems inadequate, I may be suffering from deck envy here.
@@dukecraig2402lol I have a John Deere z920M 60” and a toro 52” grandstand. I do roadside mowing like highways and stuff so we were catching flats every other day. These tires saved a lot of time and money.
I think these would be great for an off-road user. I’ve been thinking about getting some from my quad if I can. If I can get about the same thread surface area as an air down tire with an aggressive tread pattern I would absolutely get these. The biggest problem I see is that they would need to be replaced after the tread is gone however, from mostly off-road use that won’t be an issue.
I will tell you the main reason why this concept was scrapped by most companies. Did you know, that if a normal tire has less air than recommended, that the tire is more likely to explode? You know why? Because the outer walls start bending more, which causes them to heat up and become quite fragile. In theese type of airless tires, what do you see? Theese lamelles are achieve that same effect. They heat up rapidly and become fragile. If not during your drive, they will break due to the changes in high and low temperature over time. Hancook stated that they will have a life span of at most 2 years due to that, disregarding the wear on them due to friction. What we need is higher longgevity, not some BS like this. You can repair holes from nails (which are rare in the first place).
More rolling resistance too I would imagine, at least based off the ones in the video. That means you’ll burn through fuel quicker than normal because of the extra drag.
@@Crazy_Gamer_OG maybe you wouldn’t notice a difference in range day to day unless you commute extra far or something, but you’d def notice a change financially though. Your mpg will be lower and it will hit your wallet harder in the long run
These haven’t been shown to be better in many of the ways that matter like efficient rolling resistance (They tend to add rolling resistance, although doing so while adding traction by increasing the contact point space between the wheel and the road / ground surface, sort of acting like a tank tread) Because they obviously don’t have air inside them and traditional tire sidewalls that allow for air pressure to push against said sidewalls to add strength, causing a lack of structural and efficient circularity rigidity to the tire. These tire / wheel systems would likely be good in zero or low atmospheric conditions with environments of lesser gravity, like the Moon and Mars, where the tread deforming could add traction and allow it to deform over rocks and other potential debris and obstacles. Unlike the solid metal wheels on current rovers like Curiosity and Perseverance, which have been shown to rip off sections that are stress hardened over time and then made hard and brittle after time of ware and tear, as well as cycles of temperature extremes going in and outside of direct sunlight. Whereas, these tires could possibly retain their pliability. Granted, they would have to be made out of a substance that remains “rubbery” at the high and low temperature extremes experienced on the surface of the Moon and Mars, when traditional sunset would place them in or out of direct hot sunlight and very cold shadow (causing extreme variability in temperatures) and since having air pressure in tires surrounded by little to no atmosphere, is basically impossible due to little to no atmospheric pressure pushing against it, and causing for unintended expansion of the tire pressure in standard tires makes them unfit for these off Earth applications. It could possibly also allow for the regolith to pass through the connection struts of the tire, possibly allowing for a paddling effect in deep and loose sandy regolith. Possibly even utilizing variable pockets of air in bladders in the support strut structure of the tire that can be adjusted by removing or adding air in these struts to add a circular rigidity under certain circumstances and conditions, allowing for variable deformity of the tires for various conditions. There is still a lot to study and engineer / iteratively redesign and update with these, especially to use them in space, on the surface of the Moon or Mars and hopefully on Earth as well, despite those environments having drastically different engineering requirements and challenges.
@@shaggydog5409Lol, sorry. I’m just really passionate about engineering and specifically engineering applications that can be applied in space or off planet and I do believe these could have beneficial applications for such things. I hope it was at least understandable, as I have a tendency to go on a tangent trying to put my thoughts into word sometimes.
@@L33tSkE3t I'd bet you carry on some very interesting conversations. The kind this gal wouldn't mind sitting in on just to learn a thing or two. Have a good morning.
@@shaggydog5409Well, thank you. Yeah, I definitely did get a bit carried away with my run on sentences and seemingly infinite amounts of tech optimism (which rightfully seems to be in short supply these days) Anyway, again, I genuinely appreciated the constructive criticism and it was great hearing you say that my unyielding optimistic comment was genuinely refreshing for you. It’s always nice to hear that, so, thank you. 🙏 You have a great morning as well!
I've seen these on construction vehicles like front end loaders and small cranes. The fiber spokes were alot thicker and instead of one set radiating out, they had a few that would criss-cross each other. It makes sense to use such tires for these environments. I saw in the construction zones lots of debri like nails what would puncture a tire.
Most tires on construction equipment like that have calcium filled tires, if you look at the wheels instead of having a normal tire stem with a Schrader valve in the tip they have a pipe sticking out of them with a typical cap on the end that looks just like the kind of pipe end caps you can buy at Home Depot that have typical NPT threads that all pipes and pipe fittings have. The calcium is a light grey color slimy liquid that won't freeze, exactly why that's used to fill tires on equipment like that I don't know basically because I never ask anyone in all the years I spent on construction site's as an ironworker, aside from it not freezing I don't know what the advantages are over just having pressurized air in them but I'm sure there's good reasons behind it.
To be clear, I've just seen it once on a couple of construction vehicles in a zone I use to walk by often. It definitely looked like the tires in this video: A rim surrounded by radiated "bent" spokes, wrapped in a surface with treads. Except, in my case, the radiated spokes was a radiated honey-comb pattern. I'm pretty sure of what I saw. One day, one of vehicles was parked outside a fenced zone. I was able to walk up to it. I touched the tire and spokes. The spoke felt like hard rubber, but I'm not sure if it is rubber I bent down and I could see through the tire. The vehicle wasn't an experimental vehicle for testing new tires. It was legitimately being used for construction.
@@dukecraig2402we fill our tractor tyres with water to get more weight on the ground for better traction. Makes a huge difference. In northern latitudes they have to use a liquid that doesn't freeze solid.
Soft and grippy tyres wouldn't last and they would be expensive. Hence why you only see them on performance vehicles. In what way do you tyres lose grip??
@@jesmondo5785he's talking about tread wear. Which is not the main reason tires get replaced. If it was, the tire industry wouldn't be designing tires that can last thousands of miles.
To be clarify, I was talking about wear and tear.. maybe I'm getting luck but honestly only had 2 punchers I'm my life time ( one of them was suspicious btw nail in side wall?? After being parked in town) so basically almost all my tire changes was because of wear and tear .. Lose of tread deapth essentially.. But as I said my experience may not be Typical ..
Why we dont use airless tires? Namely due to the fact that airless tires will absolutely destroy fuel economy. The 25 mile per gallon vehicle now gets only 12 miles per gallon. Unless said tires are made more solid. Then you'll feel every bump in the road, and if you drive where I do, you might get a free spinal realignment. No thanks.
@@darthvirgin7157 These 'airless' tires will flex, compress, and otherwise move around when enough torque is applied. That means when a driver steps on the gas pedal, more energy is expended to get said vehicle in motion, meaning fuel economy goes down. Way down. Inversely as a driver stops, this tire will generate more heat as said kinetic energy is displaced whilst stopping. Heat + Tires = Bad. Want a better example where said effects can be felt and realized? Get a good bicycle. Ride on good inflated tires. Now flatten them and go for the same ride as the first one. You'd be much more tired, as more energy was expended attempting to ride on a flat. The flat tires would also be damaged more. This is why tire manufacturers always stress proper inflation of tires, as over or under inflation leads to poorer fuel mileage, bad tire wear, and quite possibly catastrophic failures which could lead to an accident. The tires featured in this video are a novel concept but impractical due to their design. They would never work well on a road vehicle due to the energy and efficiency losses inherent to the design. Furthermore, the open sidewall construction is just begging to collect rocks, dirt, mud, and all types of foreign objects that will make the wheel completely out of balance, leading to tire damage, catastrophic failure and increased accidents. Tires of this design would be better suited for slow speed applications like farm implements which I've seen used before, and other related applications. But keep in mind the fuel economy still goes down for whatever they are being used on. Hope this helps. Have a super day friend.
@@Cline3911 you’re basically handwaving what you think the consequences are for both tires without the physical details. when you apply the same initial torque to both tires you get the same twisting effect. as to how much the axle twists before force is transferred to the ground is debatable, sure. but you didn’t say WHY a pneumatic tire is stiffer. the constant flexing of rubber due to road compression and road-tire friction does produce heat, for BOTH tires. but you also didn’t explain WHY pneumatic tires produce less heat. if the company is claiming that they have addressed such issues, i’m not just going to DISMISS them offhand. for one, they’ve spent millions and decades in R&D and have now come to a point where they’re justified in selling it to the public. are there disadvantages to these new tires? sure. but if the company is willing to sell them, they probably found more advantages to putting them to market. my biggest concern is the mounting. will these require new wheels? how does it do in sharp turns? other than that, i’d be interested in them myself.
Thing is, a flat tire doesnt mean its the end of said tire...unless you are loaded enough and dont care, you get them fixed, the majority of drivers fall into this category, waste isnt it, they are solving a problem that doesnt need to be solved.
These haven’t been rolled out because Michelin bought the patent years ago and sat on it. The design is too long lasting, so Michelin needed time to reduce product lifetime. In other words, they’re rolling out a crappier design for profit.
Too long lasting? There is a lot of issues with this design. A lot of moving parts and exposed rubber. Tires are very important. You need to assess things like stopping distances and traction in a multitude of environments. Lifespan only comes after you can guarantee these arent going to fall apart the first time you slam on the brakes. Flats are an important thing to avoid but you can't give up safety and durability to achieve no flats.
@@supernova743 Nah, nah, just let him spread misinformation, it's totally because companies just love making their products worse than the competitors so no one buys from their brand... 🙄
what? they've had "never flats" for years, if your willing to spend the money. this is just innovation. march o progress. in your world are these tires for police cruisers only?
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Also I'm pretty sure you have to replace the whole wheel and tire assembly not just the rubber so you'd end up making more waste and that's part of why they're so expensive
When tires where invented they were built to last forever. Company said well we need to make them so they can fall apart and we can sale more! Greed runs everything in this world!! True story
No tire can last forever. It's a donut of rubber you constantly rub against the ground at high rotational speeds. Hell, even if you don't use the tire, the rubber will still breakdown and degrade. We don't have some super meta material to replace rubber yet, and we certainly didn't have a better material for the job before it.
Curb weight would let tires run the rim ,surface Temps in summer ie; heavy SUV/car. How are they on sun softened asphalt.Not to mention debris ejected from side of tire (stone chips,glass) SO, no gravel roads? ❤😊
If local governments have to actually maintain their roads (Fix potholes, etc) for these to be safe to use you might as well give up on that dream now.
Michelin have been diddling with these since the early 1980's. They are unstable at fast speeds and dangerous. They sell them for limited slow devices like fork lifts etc.
@@Argedis Slow devices. I worked at Michelin for a while and got to see the test videos where they worked for years trying to get them to work in cars and they made the car nearly flip and the ride was rough.
@@osets2117 It must be a different one to the one I have seen. A contraption on the front of a police vehicle deploys two metal arms holding a net which then wraps around the rear wheel of a target vehicle bringing it to a stop czcams.com/video/Ikp73-aH2UI/video.htmlsi=BllxPnAFoCv7O3ua
The moment he mentioned production cost I was like yup that’s the main reason they don’t give a fuck about the other stuff. It’s just the production cost.
What about mud, gravel, and snow inside the chambers. Seems like tire you would put on your pavement princess down south. Not sure they will catch on everywhere.
From where I sit the Rim would be the greater problem not the tire. Plastic reinforced with fibreglass is lightweight but doesn't have the same strength as a the metals used in modern rims, I've seen this type of plastic become brittle with age, heat and exposure to various chemicals and solvents in commercial applications and thats without adding UV into the equation...
I have never ever looked up a video about airless tires. 6 hours ago I sat in a short presentation by my peers at school about airless tires… now I get recommended this video… I would really like it if my phone could stop listening to everything in its surroundings
Best video I've seen in a long time. Exceptionally well written story. I like the way they hit us with an armgument, then issue, then potential solution, why this novel idea sounds good but just has too many negarives (eg, deformations). Then they hit u with "hey guess what, Michelin has fixed most of these issues". Michelin will have it out later this year. Thàt creates excitement.
Glass fiber rienforced plastic. = FRP = FIBERGLASS. I was working in a plastics research lab in the 1970s experimenting with reinforcing various plastic materials like polyethylene, polypropylene, acetal, ABS, PVC, polyurethanes, etc. with fibers of glass, carbon-graphite, other plastics like Kevlar which is a nylon, polycarbonate aka Lexan, and several minerals. The non-pneumatic tires were around back then. Practical uses were mostly heavy equipment like wheeled loaders that work in enviroments that are hard on tires like metal scrap and landfills. They've been around all that time with use expanding to skid steer loaders, and now large farm tractors. I expect in the 45 years since that there have been substantial advancements in the tech. Still not seeing them on road driven automobiles or big trucks. One factor slowing such develppment is that such a wheel and tire is very highly critical of matching the wheel/tire assembly to the vehicle. You can't just adjust the air pressure for when you're carrying more load. A big truck running empty on such wheels and tires designed to haul max load will be awfully difficult to control. Pneumatic tires are much more forgiving. Plus, when one of these airless wheel and tire assemblies is worn out, all the I've seen so far require replacement of the entire wheel assembly, rather than just the tire. That could be engineered around. But what is discarded will not be JUSTthe rubber tire tread. The flex section betwenwheel and tread will be due for replacement also. That negates much of the ecological benefits of this sort of wheel. It also makes the wheel and tire very much like what was used 120 years ago.
A couple downsides to this tire are. It’s likely going to be super expensive basically negating the reason for switching from an air based tire in the first place. And since there is rubber all throughout the tire it’ll make the tire almost twice as heavy as a standard tire which will likely reduce fuel economy or efficiency on EV’s.
I obviously can’t speak on the comfort as I’ve never ridden in a car with airless tires but if they can fix the other problems you mentioned in the video like production cost and deformation, then I think the only other problem would be how easily road debris gets stuck in the tires
I always doubt it when someone says that a company is doing something to reduce waste production when there's no sign of it ever getting reduced and they just get you to buy more shit
I see this as a possible great option for a spare tire. That is if they are lighter due to their design. And, perhaps the production versions will have a flexible sidewall to keep debris out of the openings.
The wooden tyre was the best in my old days.
How 'old' exactly are your days?
The old winter tires with sawdust in the rubber worked pretty good!
I remember those days no punctures and spinal shock absorption, those wooden wheels were the best, they don't make em like they used to
R u a vampire? You use that wood these day with fast cars bro will be sliding from one destination to another instead of spinning
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How expensive are they?
YES
I’m guessing it’s one of those “if you have to ask you can’t afford it”
yes is not a number
They want to help the environment so they charge a premium for it to manipulate you to care lol
It’s an investment tho
that background song..i swear it sounds exactly like korn
A big problem is the tread. A lot of tires need to be replaced because the tread wears out. Most people see these and think they would never had to replace a tire again, but because of the tread they will end up replacing a lot of tires anyway. Because the airless tires use more material they will cost more and could generate even more waste/pollution.
@jackventure3703
Not a problem if you can have them retreaded.
This, exactly.
I'd say the vast majority of tyres, at least in my country, are replaced exactly because of thread wear. Dirt roads are not common, here, even in the countryside. So, that mindset wouldn't be the norm. Yes, there are refurbished tyres, but people think they're less safe and heavier, only suited for agricultural machines/tractors. By the way, these must be a lot heavier than regular tyres.
No, like the other post stated they will be retreaded. The tire place will just send the used ones back for that. So less rubber is required. Any one that is damaged beyond repair will be recycled. Tires are my life. This has been in development for over 20 years and millions in research
Because they weigh more and have no real sidewall for support they generate MORE heat
Dont forget about load distribution, air pneumatic tyres distribute the load along the entire wheel with the pressurized air while the airless tyre would trasfer it directly. This would greatly reduce the lifespan of the wheel itself.
My guess is that any towing will require a very expensive one design for towing
@@michaelw1665 not to mention the disaster that potholes would cause.
100% so you replace the wheel not just the tyre as they are one unit.
thats why most airless tyres are more of a solid design. however the draw back is if u brake suddenly youll destroy the tyre and it will be all deformed having flat spots where u braked.
@@goodo4668that can be fixed by offering replaceable tire tread “wraps” that cover the inner airless core
We don't need an airless tyre we need airless politicians
clean skies would be nice too
Yes get rid of Donald trump
And Biden too while you’re at it
and the entire leadership corps of congress
I can't believe people still hate trump after biden has bled us all dry with high inflation and taxes. You must be one of those "14th amendment loophole" Americans who's worried about your pathetic parents inevitable deportation.
Airless basketballs, airless tires, next up: airless air
Whait for Nike Airless 😂
Airless hot air balloons.
Waiting for airless potato chips
@@Brosky305that’s the one thing that will never be airless.
Airless bollocks
"It is ready for production and commercial use"
They have kept saying this for the past 20 years!!!
tbf it’s being used commercially
They’re widely used on heavy construction equipment, lawn mowers, and landfill machinery. Just not cars. They’re also really expensive, that’s why they’re not widely used.
A company I do work for has dozens of pieces of heavy machinery and not a single airless tire. Forklifts yeah, cause they only roll on smoothe concrete floors, but anything that has to deal with roads? I don't think so.
Even those are different. They're special made and foam filled.
@leoncaples2947 I have a skid loader that has Michelin Tweel tires on it -- same design from the video. They're popular for lighter equipment like mowers and skid steers.
@@leoncaples2947Yeah this is what Lull tires are, can actually lose chunks and still use it perfectly. Costs more than some peoples cars though
"Looks like Michelan addressed most of the issues, and they'll soon be on the market."
Let me guess; the issue they _didn't_ address was the price.
The also didn’t didn’t address the other issues. They just decided that they spent enough time and money on development and it’s now “good enough” to sell to you at a premium
$999.99 per tire😂
and why would they?
Why should they they are trying to produce good quality tires sorry if you're broke dude some people can actually purchase it
That’s how they start, and then they get cheaper.
Most important reason… tire manufacturers will lose money from tire replacements
They’d still need to be replaced like normal tires. Without tread wear there’d be no grip.
@@Nitro9n But then Michelin would become a monopoly...
Either way, it's all about money.
@@RR-lj3ip what makes you think they’d be a monopoly?
How they gonna lose money selling these outrageously overpriced tweels? Lmao
These things would likely wear out faster than normal tires. To top it off, if you want new ones you need to buy new rims as well. It wouldn't put anyone out of business.
Oldsmobile in the 70's had a composite rim instead of steel, which heat and bumps deformed and cracked them creating an actual leak on the tubeless tire..it was an item ahead of it's time
Definitely a head ache for police when chasing criminals.
They’ll just roll out…
THE GRAPPLER!!!
Assuming they are chasing of course, not waiting to catch
A spike strip will still get caught in the tire and slow them down.
They have stuff that can lasso onto tires now and stop cars fast and safely
The police are the criminals, think again!
They have a better system now...works like a net.
So stabbing my neighbours tyre will soon be completely pointless!
concerned on why you were doing that to begin with tbh
@@yeahnah1762 he said he didn't think Minecraft was a very good game!
they stole his sandwich probably @@yeahnah1762
😂😂
You're funny. Like, criminally funny.
Man that ain't got nothin' on Fred Flintstone's tires!!....LOL
Just to give you an idea of price: A Air less tire for an a ATV/UTV start at $799 each..
So an entire set would cost you around $3200? That's ridiculous
Did they solve the major issue of falling APART at high speeds 😮😮😮
that’s what i’m wondering
No, they're just gonna let everyone who drives on the highway crash and die
@@coreyclouston4401Sounds legit
Yes Dirve slower
@@coreyclouston4401hey buddy watch your got damn mouth
The most important problems to be solved when engineering tires is safety, handling, cost, ability to handle inclement weather and rough terrain, and longevity. Flats are not a serious problem and it was solved a 100 years ago - you carry a spare. I have been driving for over 50 years and won't buy a vehicle that doesn't have a spare. I think I have had maybe 4 flats, mostly when I was young. So I get a flat maybe once every 13-15 years, change the tire, and off I go.
You didn't address the tire waste issue.
@@jeanbcadeau7702 Recycle... ♻️
And also when it comes to Flats when I buy a car if it has a dummy Tire I'll go to the junkyard buy the right size wheel and go get the right size tire for a spare
@@waynelapage6328most japs like Lexus and Toyota ALWAYS come with full size spares, funny how Mercs and Bmw cost a lot but have dummy spares😂😂
@drwilsom1, my question is, given this will "defeat the purpose of spike strips", what will law enforcement have to come up with to ensure they can still disable regular tires and now these too without first having to "identify that the vehicle doing 100mph" actually has "airless tires"....
It’s very rare to get a flat tire, at least where I live.
The reason why tires still need to be changed regularly is because of the tread wear.
I don’t see these kinds of tires reducing the tread wear, so they still also will end up in landfills and what not.
I just see an issue with snow or water getting in the middle and driving in those conditions can alter the way the tire flexes. As well as driving fast and turning. Without a sidewall that’s filled with air, that may be a hazard in those scenarios
Balance is a problem if mud gets in the open sidewall.
Then close it easy solution😂
The open side wall is a demonstration of how it works .not the final product
@@rosegold-beats then it becomes a tubeless tire.
@@leed2883 you are wrong. The tire has to stay open. If it is closed, the air would be compressed.
@@blumobeanthey can allow the air to leak no problem
"you can't get a flat tire with these tires but you can't go over 50mph without life threatening consequence"😂
This the question I was looking for.
That's not to bad actually.
@@quest278250? Highway speeds are 70+ what about then?
@@quest2782highways
They also will need to be totally clean of any dirt build up or snow-ice build up within those ribs- otherwise the entire balance of the wheel will be off, and it will feel very unstable at higher speeds.
Michelin: we rolling out airless tires boys
German TÜV: hold my beer, I'm about to ruin everyone's hopes and dreams
It amazes me that with how far we've come in automotive technology, our tires have remained rubber tubes with air! No matter how expensive a car may be, it rides on balloons, no matter how far advanced a car may be, it still has the balloons as it's weakest link. It's about time someone came up with a game changer.
Weakest link? They are the thing that Newton's-3rd-Laws your car down the road for tens of thousands of kilometres before the tread wears down by a handful of mm. Watch a video where they put a camera inside a radial tyre and watch the punishment it absorbs. They're amazing.
Because the constant flexing will wear out the rubber until it cracks/snaps and rocks and other debris will get in between and rip them to pieces.😅
Cover the side wall with thin rubber to keep out mud and debris.
Winter is the real problem here. Once the rubber hits freezing temperature those joints will become brittle.
It’s called….a concept😮 the worlds first car couldn’t run more than 2 or 3 miles without the engine overheating, imagine if they had stopped there because of that💀 it’s a work in progress, all new technology is
@@adamstilwell4209 that wouldn't be too much of a problem considering that we have to switch between regular tires and softer more frost-resistant tires anyway. What I'm worried about is turning because when you turn you create a force that tries to push the inner section of a tire sideways, outside of the outer part that's in contact with the road, and these filaments holding them together don't look like they will like that type of strain
@@haze_2563 this shits like 15 years old. michellin perfected this tech over 10 years ago. its already in space. they abandoned airless rubber tyres in exchange for the style they put on lunar rovers now made from mesh.
I had these on my John Deere mower
Since 2015 and I wouldn’t put them on my car until they deal with the shock absorption issue. But they are excellent for landscaping
The air industry will never let this happen
The whole point, which is to reduce waste rubber, isn't achievable this way. Because eventually the tyre profile will run flat anyway, whether the tyre punctures or not, which doesn't happen very often anyway. So by using the extra material used in the airless tyre you will, in the end, still produce more waste than with the conventional tyres.
So when it comes time for a new tire you have to buy an entire wheel
For an outrageous amount of money.
Yep... That's the plan
No. This is clearly not going to replace regular tires. More flasky if anything.
They didn’t say that. When they mentioned aluminum they weren’t referencing the wheel.
I’ll buy a set after them run them in NASCAR.
One of the worst motorsports
Who is signed with Goodyear
NASCAR is awesome.
Only formula 1 we aren’t Americans 😂
@@binaypatel7665 even if you think so, nascar is a motorsport that's really tough on tires, so it'd be a pretty good test for these
The gas inside the tube effectively distributes the pressure throughout the tire.
That's critical.
Few questions:
1. What happens if a large rock gets stuck between those gaps?
2. How deep is the tread? You need decent tread otherwise you will hydroplane on water and have no traction on mud or ice.
3. What happens if you hit a pothole going 40kph? Will it just hurt the people inside or tear apart the tire?
4. How does the tire handle cold temperatures of -10C or lower?
5. How much more expensive, is more expensive? And if they are more expensive how long do they last? 5 years? 10?
In conclusion, we haven't invented anything yet.
Electric scooters use airless tires.
3 issues with them.
1. Grip. On wet surfaces, a solid tire can slip more
2. Tread. Once you're out of it, this circles back to 1, but worse.
3. Replacability. It's possible, but agonizing to replace these particular tires. Because they're solid. They don't deform easily.
Had the airless tires on the zero turn mowers when I worked for this landscaping company.. they were the greatest thing ever made it very easy to hop curbs
A tire with air not only would be cheaper to manufacture, but it would offer superior performance. I wonder if Michelin might want to explore that avenue.
That was mentioned in the video as the main reason why these aren't exactly standard.
These definitely would not be cheaper to manufacturer. The mold would be more complex with at least 4-6 parts instead of the two they have now.
Then can sell something called the fancy cover
@@Bl4ckD0gjoke went over your brain
Please explain how the manufacturing would be cheaper and an what the performance gains would be?
Last time Michelin tried to reinvent the wheel with their PAX tire system on the Honda Odyssey it resulted in lots of angry customers, extremely limited availability, high replacement costs, poor wear and performance, lawsuits, and finally a regular tire option.
Yes, and the TRX tire/wheel combo was a disaster also.
Haha I remember that
we had to have a special machine that could install them and only one of us knew how to install it. total shit show.
Rest assured, the durability will be only slightly better than compared to air tires, just as much that customers are willing to pay the additional price. The development of this tire took two years, to make sure durability does not exceed expectations it took another two years :)
Only useful as an emergency spare. Cannot be used as a touring or performance tyre. Gas milage will also decrease, rolling resistance looks to probably be much higher. Best to be used in poor street quality situations or as an emergency spare, or on an offroad or construction vehicles.
by "poor street quality" you mean daily driving in the UK.
I have these Michelin tires on my lawn mowers. For a pair of 20” tires it’s $1,100 and for my 24” tires, they’re $750 each so $1,500 for a pair. They’re good for mowers but not sure how well they’ll be on a car.
Good God almighty what kind of a lawn mower do you have that putting on tires that cost thousands of dollars makes it worthwhile?
Suddenly my 24 horsepower 52" deck Husqvarna riding mower seems inadequate, I may be suffering from deck envy here.
And at my local harbor freight $35 a tire😂
@@dukecraig2402lol I have a John Deere z920M 60” and a toro 52” grandstand. I do roadside mowing like highways and stuff so we were catching flats every other day. These tires saved a lot of time and money.
@@bambeeziee2186👌😂👍well! That explains it!
So expensive, is it worth it?
I think these would be great for an off-road user. I’ve been thinking about getting some from my quad if I can. If I can get about the same thread surface area as an air down tire with an aggressive tread pattern I would absolutely get these. The biggest problem I see is that they would need to be replaced after the tread is gone however, from mostly off-road use that won’t be an issue.
I will tell you the main reason why this concept was scrapped by most companies.
Did you know, that if a normal tire has less air than recommended, that the tire is more likely to explode? You know why? Because the outer walls start bending more, which causes them to heat up and become quite fragile. In theese type of airless tires, what do you see? Theese lamelles are achieve that same effect. They heat up rapidly and become fragile. If not during your drive, they will break due to the changes in high and low temperature over time. Hancook stated that they will have a life span of at most 2 years due to that, disregarding the wear on them due to friction. What we need is higher longgevity, not some BS like this. You can repair holes from nails (which are rare in the first place).
More rolling resistance too I would imagine, at least based off the ones in the video. That means you’ll burn through fuel quicker than normal because of the extra drag.
I bet the extra drag is miniscule enough to not really notice a difference.
@@Crazy_Gamer_OG maybe you wouldn’t notice a difference in range day to day unless you commute extra far or something, but you’d def notice a change financially though. Your mpg will be lower and it will hit your wallet harder in the long run
@@Crazy_Gamer_OG yeah it'll only cut your fuel mileage by 25 to 50% do to the increased friction... especially on heavier cars, trucks, and SUVs.
@@Crazy_Gamer_OGfrom the looks of it they'll act like a half deflated tire, you can definitely notice the difference
These haven’t been shown to be better in many of the ways that matter like efficient rolling resistance (They tend to add rolling resistance, although doing so while adding traction by increasing the contact point space between the wheel and the road / ground surface, sort of acting like a tank tread) Because they obviously don’t have air inside them and traditional tire sidewalls that allow for air pressure to push against said sidewalls to add strength, causing a lack of structural and efficient circularity rigidity to the tire. These tire / wheel systems would likely be good in zero or low atmospheric conditions with environments of lesser gravity, like the Moon and Mars, where the tread deforming could add traction and allow it to deform over rocks and other potential debris and obstacles. Unlike the solid metal wheels on current rovers like Curiosity and Perseverance, which have been shown to rip off sections that are stress hardened over time and then made hard and brittle after time of ware and tear, as well as cycles of temperature extremes going in and outside of direct sunlight. Whereas, these tires could possibly retain their pliability. Granted, they would have to be made out of a substance that remains “rubbery” at the high and low temperature extremes experienced on the surface of the Moon and Mars, when traditional sunset would place them in or out of direct hot sunlight and very cold shadow (causing extreme variability in temperatures) and since having air pressure in tires surrounded by little to no atmosphere, is basically impossible due to little to no atmospheric pressure pushing against it, and causing for unintended expansion of the tire pressure in standard tires makes them unfit for these off Earth applications. It could possibly also allow for the regolith to pass through the connection struts of the tire, possibly allowing for a paddling effect in deep and loose sandy regolith. Possibly even utilizing variable pockets of air in bladders in the support strut structure of the tire that can be adjusted by removing or adding air in these struts to add a circular rigidity under certain circumstances and conditions, allowing for variable deformity of the tires for various conditions. There is still a lot to study and engineer / iteratively redesign and update with these, especially to use them in space, on the surface of the Moon or Mars and hopefully on Earth as well, despite those environments having drastically different engineering requirements and challenges.
Dude, you strained my brain with that!! 😅😅
@@shaggydog5409Lol, sorry. I’m just really passionate about engineering and specifically engineering applications that can be applied in space or off planet and I do believe these could have beneficial applications for such things. I hope it was at least understandable, as I have a tendency to go on a tangent trying to put my thoughts into word sometimes.
@@L33tSkE3t yes, I'd say you got just a little bit carried away!! But then why not? In a way it's refreshing, especially in this day and age.
@@L33tSkE3t I'd bet you carry on some very interesting conversations. The kind this gal wouldn't mind sitting in on just to learn a thing or two. Have a good morning.
@@shaggydog5409Well, thank you. Yeah, I definitely did get a bit carried away with my run on sentences and seemingly infinite amounts of tech optimism (which rightfully seems to be in short supply these days) Anyway, again, I genuinely appreciated the constructive criticism and it was great hearing you say that my unyielding optimistic comment was genuinely refreshing for you. It’s always nice to hear that, so, thank you. 🙏 You have a great morning as well!
Airless tyres used on light vehicles like scooters, bicycle etc will be great.
Cops won't like this, this makes those tire popper strips useless
“If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”
so throw away your phone then! This is just 1 of the many things this mindset prevents
"Horseless carriage? Bah, if it ain't broke don't fix it"
Mine break
But tyres break when they burst hmmmmmmmm
If somethings works good that doesn't mean it can't be upgraded/evolved
I've seen these on construction vehicles like front end loaders and small cranes. The fiber spokes were alot thicker and instead of one set radiating out, they had a few that would criss-cross each other.
It makes sense to use such tires for these environments. I saw in the construction zones lots of debri like nails what would puncture a tire.
Most tires on construction equipment like that have calcium filled tires, if you look at the wheels instead of having a normal tire stem with a Schrader valve in the tip they have a pipe sticking out of them with a typical cap on the end that looks just like the kind of pipe end caps you can buy at Home Depot that have typical NPT threads that all pipes and pipe fittings have.
The calcium is a light grey color slimy liquid that won't freeze, exactly why that's used to fill tires on equipment like that I don't know basically because I never ask anyone in all the years I spent on construction site's as an ironworker, aside from it not freezing I don't know what the advantages are over just having pressurized air in them but I'm sure there's good reasons behind it.
My forklift runs on full rubber tires and that's how they've been working ever since they were invented...
@@DaemonwarriorJulius
I bet those would be real comfortable on the road, my kidneys hurt just thinking about that.
To be clear, I've just seen it once on a couple of construction vehicles in a zone I use to walk by often. It definitely looked like the tires in this video: A rim surrounded by radiated "bent" spokes, wrapped in a surface with treads. Except, in my case, the radiated spokes was a radiated honey-comb pattern.
I'm pretty sure of what I saw. One day, one of vehicles was parked outside a fenced zone. I was able to walk up to it. I touched the tire and spokes. The spoke felt like hard rubber, but I'm not sure if it is rubber I bent down and I could see through the tire.
The vehicle wasn't an experimental vehicle for testing new tires. It was legitimately being used for construction.
@@dukecraig2402we fill our tractor tyres with water to get more weight on the ground for better traction. Makes a huge difference. In northern latitudes they have to use a liquid that doesn't freeze solid.
The rim will bend on a hard impact
You can get more cushioning by using smaller rims. No one needs 20in. 13 to 16in does the job fine.
Honestly the main resion is that u change a tire more from lose of tire grips instead of punchers.. fix that first please and tks🙏 😅
Let's not get ahead of ourselves just yet. That part hasn't been covered. Maybe is very durable.
Soft and grippy tyres wouldn't last and they would be expensive. Hence why you only see them on performance vehicles. In what way do you tyres lose grip??
@@jesmondo5785he's talking about tread wear. Which is not the main reason tires get replaced. If it was, the tire industry wouldn't be designing tires that can last thousands of miles.
maybe you should go back to school
To be clarify, I was talking about wear and tear.. maybe I'm getting luck but honestly only had 2 punchers I'm my life time ( one of them was suspicious btw nail in side wall?? After being parked in town)
so basically almost all my tire changes was because of wear and tear ..
Lose of tread deapth essentially..
But as I said my experience may not be Typical ..
Why we dont use airless tires? Namely due to the fact that airless tires will absolutely destroy fuel economy. The 25 mile per gallon vehicle now gets only 12 miles per gallon. Unless said tires are made more solid. Then you'll feel every bump in the road, and if you drive where I do, you might get a free spinal realignment.
No thanks.
please explain why gas mileage would decrease with these tires compared to a standard pneumatic tire.
@@darthvirgin7157 These 'airless' tires will flex, compress, and otherwise move around when enough torque is applied. That means when a driver steps on the gas pedal, more energy is expended to get said vehicle in motion, meaning fuel economy goes down. Way down. Inversely as a driver stops, this tire will generate more heat as said kinetic energy is displaced whilst stopping. Heat + Tires = Bad.
Want a better example where said effects can be felt and realized? Get a good bicycle. Ride on good inflated tires. Now flatten them and go for the same ride as the first one. You'd be much more tired, as more energy was expended attempting to ride on a flat. The flat tires would also be damaged more.
This is why tire manufacturers always stress proper inflation of tires, as over or under inflation leads to poorer fuel mileage, bad tire wear, and quite possibly catastrophic failures which could lead to an accident.
The tires featured in this video are a novel concept but impractical due to their design. They would never work well on a road vehicle due to the energy and efficiency losses inherent to the design. Furthermore, the open sidewall construction is just begging to collect rocks, dirt, mud, and all types of foreign objects that will make the wheel completely out of balance, leading to tire damage, catastrophic failure and increased accidents.
Tires of this design would be better suited for slow speed applications like farm implements which I've seen used before, and other related applications. But keep in mind the fuel economy still goes down for whatever they are being used on.
Hope this helps. Have a super day friend.
@@Cline3911
you’re basically handwaving what you think the consequences are for both tires without the physical details.
when you apply the same initial torque to both tires you get the same twisting effect. as to how much the axle twists before force is transferred to the ground is debatable, sure. but you didn’t say WHY a pneumatic tire is stiffer.
the constant flexing of rubber due to road compression and road-tire friction does produce heat, for BOTH tires. but you also didn’t explain WHY pneumatic tires produce less heat.
if the company is claiming that they have addressed such issues, i’m not just going to DISMISS them offhand. for one, they’ve spent millions and decades in R&D and have now come to a point where they’re justified in selling it to the public.
are there disadvantages to these new tires? sure. but if the company is willing to sell them, they probably found more advantages to putting them to market.
my biggest concern is the mounting. will these require new wheels? how does it do in sharp turns? other than that, i’d be interested in them myself.
Thing is, a flat tire doesnt mean its the end of said tire...unless you are loaded enough and dont care, you get them fixed, the majority of drivers fall into this category, waste isnt it, they are solving a problem that doesnt need to be solved.
Back in my day we use cans for tires
These haven’t been rolled out because Michelin bought the patent years ago and sat on it. The design is too long lasting, so Michelin needed time to reduce product lifetime. In other words, they’re rolling out a crappier design for profit.
Police objected until they could replace the spike strip. the new wheel trap wraps around the wheel
Too long lasting? There is a lot of issues with this design. A lot of moving parts and exposed rubber. Tires are very important. You need to assess things like stopping distances and traction in a multitude of environments. Lifespan only comes after you can guarantee these arent going to fall apart the first time you slam on the brakes. Flats are an important thing to avoid but you can't give up safety and durability to achieve no flats.
@@supernova743 The Tweels running surface has been used on race tracks and showed little difference to the pneumatic versions.
No, it's because they cost more to produce but work far worse.
@@supernova743 Nah, nah, just let him spread misinformation, it's totally because companies just love making their products worse than the competitors so no one buys from their brand... 🙄
Well now it will be difficult to catch thieves or fugitives running on car....
So this is a gangsta friendly tires. It's good
what? they've had "never flats" for years, if your willing to spend the money. this is just innovation. march o progress. in your world are these tires for police cruisers only?
Metal cable few inches of the ground, easy stop
Grapler
Spikes would probably get stuck in tires and still stop them in their tracks
A tyre company that rates restaurants 🙏🏻
Now you can run from the police without having to worry about the Spike strips
Next the retail space will invent the cashless wallet and invisible best friend which comes standard with an invisible vacation.
lol 😂
It'll cost $50,000
Maybe an ash tray for a motor bike could be invented.
hello. virtual reality and neuralink. and yes cashless wallet is already here. people pay with watch or phones wirelessly.
They already did. The new kind of wallet is just card holder with a clip so you can attach some cash on it. The main purpose is just to hold your credit cards.
"Invisible best friend". Not actually invisible but digital. Ever heard of AI girlfriend/boyfriend?
"Invisible vacation" is just your PTO get denied.
Sooo instead of replacing the tyre, i need a new wheel also?
Tire*
@user-oz9fq5uf6g not american mate. The union jack should have been a clue. Tyre is correct 👍. Also its Colour not color.
@leed2883 you changed your language half way through.
@stephenkillin9730 what you on about?
@@stephenkillin9730The US doesnt even own English
Also I'm pretty sure you have to replace the whole wheel and tire assembly not just the rubber so you'd end up making more waste and that's part of why they're so expensive
Tyre companies: It's cheaper to make. But...
When tires where invented they were built to last forever. Company said well we need to make them so they can fall apart and we can sale more! Greed runs everything in this world!! True story
No tire can last forever. It's a donut of rubber you constantly rub against the ground at high rotational speeds. Hell, even if you don't use the tire, the rubber will still breakdown and degrade. We don't have some super meta material to replace rubber yet, and we certainly didn't have a better material for the job before it.
I agree with the last statement but the example doesn't make sense.
Curb weight would let tires run the rim ,surface Temps in summer ie; heavy SUV/car. How are they on sun softened asphalt.Not to mention debris ejected from side of tire (stone chips,glass) SO, no gravel roads? ❤😊
Quality of tires keeps going down while prices skyrocket. It's a zero sum game. So infuriating
That's the lightbulb you are thinking of
Getting away from the police is getting better 😂
lol!👋🤣👍
Spike strips don’t work on me suckers!
If local governments have to actually maintain their roads (Fix potholes, etc) for these to be safe to use you might as well give up on that dream now.
Surely the airless tyres would pick up debris from the road. Such as stones and small rocks. Anything thats on the road. in the gaps. .
What about shtt accumulation every 2nd day between those gaps making it rock hard
they are covered like a normal tire, its exposed for visual purposes only
@@59plexiSo there's a side wall that needs to flex without splitting also...
@@cpickles2996 yeah, exactly..it can't b covered
@@cpickles2996 tires already have sidewalls that flex without splitting
Some bank robbers gonna use that to counter spike strips
police now use ENTANGLEMENT devices that stop the wheels from spinning.
police evaders have been known to keep rolling on blown/spiked tires.
Once the airless tires release to the public rip road spikes as it is 1 way to stop cars from getting away from the police -1 point
People realize that the tread will still wear out and you’ll STILL need to buy new tires - 🤯
Tires companies make so much money on the tires we have already. These will never be released to the public even after they fix the issues.
Why not? They already cost dramatically more than a pneumatic tire, if they're charging as much as they do they'll definitely make a lot of money.
Michelin have been diddling with these since the early 1980's. They are unstable at fast speeds and dangerous. They sell them for limited slow devices like fork lifts etc.
@@xineohpinakc264 I've seen them in riding mowers that's the only thing they make sense in not cars
@@Argedis Slow devices. I worked at Michelin for a while and got to see the test videos where they worked for years trying to get them to work in cars and they made the car nearly flip and the ride was rough.
I guess the police spike strip isnt going to work on these tires
good thing they can disable your engine
They already have a replacement system that looks like a net. It wraps around the axle forcing the vehicle to stop
@@osets2117 "...looks like a net" If it's the one I'm thinking of the police vehicle has to get close enough to deploy the net.
@@stephengraham1153 it can be deployed by hand, it doesn't need to be dropped by a vehicle that would be stupid
@@osets2117 It must be a different one to the one I have seen. A contraption on the front of a police vehicle deploys two metal arms holding a net which then wraps around the rear wheel of a target vehicle bringing it to a stop czcams.com/video/Ikp73-aH2UI/video.htmlsi=BllxPnAFoCv7O3ua
The moment he mentioned production cost I was like yup that’s the main reason they don’t give a fuck about the other stuff. It’s just the production cost.
Becouse if you run from the cops they cant deploy spike strips to stop you.
What about mud, gravel, and snow inside the chambers. Seems like tire you would put on your pavement princess down south. Not sure they will catch on everywhere.
Try again, Sherlock.
From where I sit the Rim would be the greater problem not the tire.
Plastic reinforced with fibreglass is lightweight but doesn't have the same strength as a the metals used in modern rims, I've seen this type of plastic become brittle with age, heat and exposure to various chemicals and solvents in commercial applications and thats without adding UV into the equation...
Bro answered his own question in a video!
You know the few issues that aren't addressed? $500 price tag on each tire
I have never ever looked up a video about airless tires. 6 hours ago I sat in a short presentation by my peers at school about airless tires… now I get recommended this video… I would really like it if my phone could stop listening to everything in its surroundings
Best video I've seen in a long time. Exceptionally well written story. I like the way they hit us with an armgument, then issue, then potential solution, why this novel idea sounds good but just has too many negarives (eg, deformations). Then they hit u with "hey guess what, Michelin has fixed most of these issues". Michelin will have it out later this year. Thàt creates excitement.
Glass fiber rienforced plastic. = FRP = FIBERGLASS. I was working in a plastics research lab in the 1970s experimenting with reinforcing various plastic materials like polyethylene, polypropylene, acetal, ABS, PVC, polyurethanes, etc. with fibers of glass, carbon-graphite, other plastics like Kevlar which is a nylon, polycarbonate aka Lexan, and several minerals. The non-pneumatic tires were around back then. Practical uses were mostly heavy equipment like wheeled loaders that work in enviroments that are hard on tires like metal scrap and landfills. They've been around all that time with use expanding to skid steer loaders, and now large farm tractors. I expect in the 45 years since that there have been substantial advancements in the tech. Still not seeing them on road driven automobiles or big trucks. One factor slowing such develppment is that such a wheel and tire is very highly critical of matching the wheel/tire assembly to the vehicle. You can't just adjust the air pressure for when you're carrying more load. A big truck running empty on such wheels and tires designed to haul max load will be awfully difficult to control. Pneumatic tires are much more forgiving. Plus, when one of these airless wheel and tire assemblies is worn out, all the I've seen so far require replacement of the entire wheel assembly, rather than just the tire. That could be engineered around. But what is discarded will not be JUSTthe rubber tire tread. The flex section betwenwheel and tread will be due for replacement also. That negates much of the ecological benefits of this sort of wheel. It also makes the wheel and tire very much like what was used 120 years ago.
Somebody's gonna find a way to have a flat tire.
A couple downsides to this tire are. It’s likely going to be super expensive basically negating the reason for switching from an air based tire in the first place. And since there is rubber all throughout the tire it’ll make the tire almost twice as heavy as a standard tire which will likely reduce fuel economy or efficiency on EV’s.
Tire companies won’t make as much cash, they will oppose this strongly
I obviously can’t speak on the comfort as I’ve never ridden in a car with airless tires but if they can fix the other problems you mentioned in the video like production cost and deformation, then I think the only other problem would be how easily road debris gets stuck in the tires
Pipe dream. There’s no way in hell that design will last 85,000 miles
Imagine driving through potholes. Both back and front would get damaged.😅
Take it offroad 1 time and youll be flinging the rocks that got stuck in your wheels at people behind you tho lol.
Another bad thing about it is that you can't put weight on it so you can't pull trailers
Mud? Snow? Gravel? What about ice stoppage or skidding? -30c Hydroplaning? Lots of questions with this model of tire
Better idea: offer tank thread conversion for all cars.
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I always doubt it when someone says that a company is doing something to reduce waste production when there's no sign of it ever getting reduced and they just get you to buy more shit
I’m waiting a few years before I adopt. See how many crashes happen first. Michelin likes to release shit without proper testing lol
It makes sense and is cost effective so they will never use these.
Airless tyres: YES
Speed: Left the chat
I see this as a possible great option for a spare tire. That is if they are lighter due to their design. And, perhaps the production versions will have a flexible sidewall to keep debris out of the openings.
Glass fibre reinforced plastic, aka fiberglass.
This guy forgot to mention that tire companies can’t extort you if your tires won’t go flat. That’s the only real reason these aren’t publicly used
I was literally thinking about making a tyre exactly like this yesterday