Like my husband said about my black friend "she's the most Swedish person I've met", maybe because her mother is Swedish, and she's raised here in Sweden duh 😅
When I visit Nigeria, I understand more of who I am as an American and as a Black person. You understand yourself even more. What you learn about yourself in Africa you can not get in America because it is not there.
Asians too. People say Asians all look the same, but it's actually pretty easy to tell Koreans, Japanese, Chinese, etc. apart with some experience. Although, with the Chinese, it's a little harder to tell individuals apart, because when your population keeps getting halved every century or so, your genepool starts to get small _real_ fast.
My Russian buddy said he didnt know he was "white" until he came to America. He said : "whatever "white" is I'm NOT that...but I am I guess". as an African that always made sense to me.
I'm Russian and I'm obviously white. Your friend is weird. It's a fairly big topic in Russia, both in terms of "SJW" media and in terms of non-white immigrants in Russia. Far-right racist movements are quite wide-spread.
@@Humanophage или был метисом, либо одним из коренных народов России (татар, башкиры, эрзяны, кумыки и т.д). Или же само это понятие (Европеоид - белый).
Can relate, I'm from Venezuela and whatever definition of "latino" they have in the US, it doesn't represent me, and their stereotypes even less, that's not me
It is extremely weird your buddy didn't know he was white, because Russian is obviously white. There is a very unethical expression in Russian language "...like a while man..." which doesn't sound good if you try to use it in other languages. It is always used in some context. Ask your buddy, mate.
As an aboriginal american it made sense to us too and every time we jumped up to fight against race classifications identity fraud...a pirate group called pan-africans took part as being us saying WE BLACK and want justice. Tbh black foriegners were our worst enemies that worked in the system. Its not insults its facts in hidden sight that came to light.
Exactly. That's the big difference between black american and black from outside of the usa. They think the skin color unites everyone but it's not true at all. You summed it up really well.
@@tracycalloway7160 We just have the same skin color and come from the geolocation that's all, don't expect too much. Who you are as a person is more important
@@ihx7 why would it make sense? Do you need to modify your behaviour when addressing a "black" man vs "white"? There are huge differences between people of European descent as well, not a whole lot in common between an Italian, Russian and Irish. Better to just treat each person as a blank slate rather than characterising them before even knowing them.
@@ihx7 it does more harm than good. it is possible to acknowledge differences in people without having to divide them into categories that can be used for harmful ideologies. Also “black”, “white”, “asian” etc is barely even precise. You cannot lump all the people on the whole continent of Africa or Asia or Europe or South America as one category each, based on their skin tone. it’s ridiculous. A black person from Namibia is very different to a black person from Sudan. A white person from France is vastly different to a white person from Iceland. India, China, Vietnam, Japan. All these people are “asian” but to lump them into one “race” is ridiculous
Istg the only place that you can be called racist bc you are not being racist is America lmao If you say "I treat people equally, I don't treat them Based on their race" Americans may call you racist or get triggered BC YOU ARE NOT BEING RACIST Is just too bizarre that is hilarious
@@ihx7 Differentiating people by race just serves the ideologies and the ideological war. In my country this american worldview is being imported, and people are increasingly turning into racists to "fight against racism".
That's a fact, if the divide is not by race, then it's tribe, class, wealth, skin color, family lineage, land ownership, or some other thing. Race has been the most recent divide for centuries now and has proven to be the most detrimental divide of them all, especially since no one can control the race they are born as. Also, the older societies were less oppressive, but were not better because it spawned what we see today. We need new ideals that eliminate slavery, suffering, and death. This doesn't mean that people can't separate based on race, tribe, class, etc., it just means that there should be peaceful separation and not exploitation nor degradation based on what you choose to align with or what you are born as.
What makes it worse is, in America, they group by skin color first, and often only that. Despite the fact that there are vastly different cultures within those groups, they expect everyone to think and behave the same way.
@@FreeB1Speech It’s the truth. We Somalis never call ourselves black. But ppl try their hardest to lump us in with black Americans when we look very different, and have a whole different culture. It’s all about color in the US.
@@Infam0usKiller Idk. European probably. The Caucasian race was an idea made along with a theory of biological race (which has been disproven) developed by an anthropologist in the late 1700's. The term is geographically inaccurate, because it implies that white people all came from the Caucasus region. I can't tell if the "then" at the end of your sentence is you doubting me, so I just put in that justification. Have a good day.
You’re right, you weren’t separated by race, you were separated by tribe. Some African tribes sold others off because they didn’t see the other as “the same”. It wasn’t just one big happy African family, you had conflicts between the Xhosa and the zulus, the Zulu vs Ndwandwe war, Conflicts between Herero and the Nama peoples, Bantu peoples pushing out the Khoisan speaking peoples from their ancestral homes… etc. Btw: before anyone thinks I’m some umlungu trying to sow discord, I’m Mexican indigenous. I just read a whole lot about geopolitics and history.
@vogel vogeltjie if you are Mexican why don't you talk about Native Americans,and how Native Americans collaborated with Europeans against other Native Americans?
@@mikeaskme3530 I’m not Mexican buddy, I’m indigenous from Mexico, I was born and live in California. But what you speak of is totally true, yes. The problem is, I’m commenting on this specific video. This video isn’t about Native Americans. It’s about Africans. So…what? I can’t comment on a CZcams video now?
Exactly! As an African this is my biggest obstacle in trying to understand African Americans and them funneling all identity down to race when we see it as a layered thing.
@@lillybelle544 you're not the sole determining factor on Black identity and Black struggle. Africans are also Black people. Being Black is not just found in the U.S. I was talking about from the African worldview, race is multilayered with ethnicity, tribe, caste, nationality etc and I was just explaining how that can make it difficult understanding others who see it it only about skin colour. And probably vice versa. Rushing to unprovoked anger and condescension doesn't make for an actual intellectual dialogue.
@@eb9450 y'all need to stop lying! Africa was colonized, you know damn well the difference between blacks and whites. Stop coming here pretending you don't know.
@@amenajackson8133 do you have a problem with reading comprehension? Because nothing I wrote above even comes close to suggest what you're saying. I'm saying just that actually: that Black people are found outside U.S too especially in Africa. I'm not going to repeat myself again, you can read if you want what I wrote back to your peer. Or choose to misunderstand. Up to you.
It's similar in Europe. Here the primary factor to putting someone on a box is their language/accent/dialect. Sadly many people still think "Africa" and "Asia" are countries though. 😒
Not sure where are you from, but most people in Europe that i talk to (and I talk to a lot of them as I travel a lot) know the difference between a country and a continent 😂 Heck, a lot of people can even recite the American states and theie capital cities. In my experience the most ignorant people (not saying that all of them are like that, but generally speaking...) in regards to geography, ethnicisity as well as history are Americans. It might have something to do with the education system as well.
@@kaicluster6783 That's true, I was exaggerating. People generally know there are different countries, however they often refer to "Africa" or "Asia" in the media and in conversation, making it seem like there is no diversity and like the whole continent is doomed and undeveloped. Saying things like "Even in Africa they have better cell phone reception than we do".
@@aeafilmsuk Thank you so much brother. I always tell people the world does not see race like they do in America. Our tribe and ethnicity and nationality comes first, not our skin colour.
But the same thing is in Europe too, especially in Eastern Europe. We do not see ourselves primarily as “ white “ either . I’m from south East Europe ( the Balkans) I live in NYC since 2015 . I always find it very annoying to be named as white all the time and every part of my identity is being reduced to “ whiteness “ .
That must be you alone then, because in the UK, Eastern Europeans 100% definitely themselves as white and are often the most racist of whites even though, white English people see them as 2nd class white people.
@@knowledgeisablessing8767 Well, I'm from Poland and I have rarely see Poles thinking of themselves as "white". Maybe these are refugees or people you've met but here in our land we definitely do not do that. You're either a Polish or an outsider no matter if you're Ukrainian, British, German, Hindu or Aborigene.
well yes thats esentially europe ,We celebrated time since end of WW2 untill russians attacked ukraine in 2014 as longest period of peace in our history .
Oh, wow..these differentiating factors in tribe, culture and language go much deeper than the American color palette division between people. "They" are not homogenous at all and not the same people as you say simply because they share skin color.
Because tribalism is in our dna. People will always find a reason to differentiate themselves. I'd argue that the most common way is through status. Skin colour, nationalities, family names etc are mostly just different ways of pointing out the differences in status.
There’s a weird disconnect between us. Same way this African American said I shouldn’t waste food because there are starving children in Africa unprovoked….
Same in Greece 😂😂 Used to be Athens-Sparta, now it’s Athens-Thessaloniki. I live in Zurich and every time I go to get a sulvaki I m directly labelled the Athenian and they make fun of how I order it 😅
@@annas4843 I've had members of my own family make fun of me for eating bread with the ends of pasta and sauce. They say it's what peasants do. People are judgemental as a general rule 🙊
because they are... Italy is home to many different ethnicities. Italian is a nationality. Guess what? They even speak different Latin languages in Italy 🫢
you mean differences is not segregation. separation is a much nicer way. j was in a church in new york that has a different time for American blacks and another church time African & carribean blacks,
@@terrorble727 i dont wanna be the kinda guy to evangelise on youtube comments but, there is a quran verse regarding that: "...We made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other."
The funny thing is that the same is valid for most Europeans. We are more similar to Africans than to Americans in respect to this issue. My core identity is that I’m Tuscan, that is my land, my tribe so to speak. Then, as a national identity, I’m Italian. Being European only comes as a third place, less important.
@@smtuscany in Australia, our indigenous use their tribe, then they join the rest of society who work on region of your state, Then your state then internationally it's nation.
@@smtuscany Well, here in Poland it's different between regions. I see myself as a Polish first, then European and Slavic. Unfortunately, I live in the lands given to Poland after 1945 which are kinda cultureless. However, many people would speak that they're Kashubians, Silesians, Cracoviaks, górals etc. before or on equal with Polish.
Interestingly enough being American used to be the thing that bound most American people together. America is far from a perfect nation but it has in fact in it's very short history, tried to undo and correct past injustices. However, things have become so divisive here, that we don't share that common lable of "American" anymore. It's quite sad and demoralizing.
When African Americans say Africans hate them I feel sorry for them. We don’t. They are us. When in Africa, we can’t even tell they are not from here until they speak and since we know their history, we will go out of our way to treat them very well and make them feel very welcomed too.
Yeah you can. In Kenya I can see a black American from a mile away. We love the ones who are educated, and kind. We hate the ones who are ignorant, and filled with hate. You really don’t know the amount hate black Americans had for Africans back in the 2000s, and 90s. This whole we are all African thing just started recently.
@XX Grimace Bro as a Somali who was raised in the US since 1, I can tell you for a fact black Americans hated us. I remember getting chased in the 3rd grade by a group of black, and white American kids screaming “Get those stupid Africans!” I’ve been called a “Stupid Somalian” by black Americans so many times. There are great ones such as my fellow Muslim black Americans but the majority used to have hate for Africans.
I wish more Africans were like you because I have met quite a few that make fun of us for not knowing who we are. How can we know if white people erased our history?
@BlahBlahBlah No..because it's not their fault. The sins of the father are not the sins of the child. I don't get this mindset and I'm saying this as a black guy
I love being Brazilian. Even though I am mixed I don't advertise and label myself as Portuguese-Brazilian, Italian-Brazilian, African-Brazilian and native. I'm just Brazilian, period.
Indeed! And the same for all countries in Latinoamerica. The problem with gringos is that they lack an identity, while us in LatinAmerican countries have very well defined identities.
@@pretendtheresaname9213 BS your @ss! I was born and raised in Brazil. This started happening not too long ago with the help of the leftist media trying to divide people. My black friends don't call themselves Afro-Brazilians, but unfortunately some young people started labeling themselves. Thank God is not all of them!
As a black person from Africa it's the most strange thing to talk to people internationally and hear them make something out of the fact that I'm black and they had a black boyfriend once from the US. I'm polite about it but I always think, what if I said something in response like, oh I knew a white women from Russia once. I mean, how is there any relation whatsoever. But in places like the US your skin color is very significant regardless if you come from Mars or anywhere else.
They say that because for hundred of years it was common for whites to consider blacks as animals. Meaning they are property, that cannot sleep in your house they sleep outside, they cannot own property, they don't have rights of a human and blacks are not to be associated with. Now things are different so they say this to show that they've had experience with black people before and don't have those feelings.
It kinda looks like the same frustration we get in italy when americans say the knew other italians while they were actually referring to italo-americans. The issue is that US citizens can't comprehend that other countries don't function as them
@@pucciox40 It's a messy issue all around. I think maybe we should all just identify with language. I speak english, you speak english, we all watch youtube and netflix what more do we need haha
true they even think that we are enslaved and have been opressed by white when we are living in Africa , ppl are so weird ,😂, they expect me to rap too LoL
I feel this when I go to India too. There's so many different ethnic groups with different languages and traditions but here in Australia it's just Indian.
To be honest, unless you're Black in America or lived in America as a black person then you'll never know the true struggle of Black Americans. You don't have the right to judge Black Americans when you've never walked in our shoes. Don't forget without slavery, the Black Americans would simply be Africans. Also, skin color matter in America because White people made it like that many many years ago. If you're Black in America, white people will never let you forget you're Black. For a long time, they have forced you to live in same neighborhoods, go to same schools etc.... In a county where they had White's only schools and White only drinking fountains and White only restaurants; what else do you expect Black people to think? In Africa you deal with mostly other Africans. In American Blacks deal with being Black in a country that's not truly theirs.
@@walnutsss yes, because we do not discriminate only based on race, we discriminate also on nationality basis. Also, inside one race there are a lot of varieties. British, finnish, russians, italians, germans, spanish, greeks, east europeans have all distinctive traits that make them recognizable. I know it might sound strange to an american, but we european can tell what country another "white man" comes from with an acceptable degree of precision. *when I talk about discrimination I do not mean it seriously. ** on the other hands I recognize that racial policies have failed through the years and people from different countries and different cultures fail to live together. One culture has to prevail on that soil, and this makes it almost impossible to coexist.
@@geraltdirivia8278 I am not American, I also live in Italy but I am african. I understand your point, since that’s something very common in africa too (discriminating each other even when we are the same race) People in my country normalize xenophobia way too much when it’s such a big issue, we have a lot of cultures and languages all in one country I guess that’s why.
@@genghischan69 Your being a asshole, Saying "blacks" is generalizing every black person, which is obviously not true. But meh you keep living in delusion thinking every black person is robbing a liquor store, while your at it tell them to stop killing each other, and also tell the white people in Asia to stop killing each other, more love less hate will help the world, half the masses are already going to hell for hate in their hearts anyway.
@@genghischan69Bro.. you outta pocket. That shit was unnecessary fr, plus YOU are part of the racism problem, so what are YOU willing to do to change yourself huh
No many North Africans themselves say they are not Africans because they are not black. you don’t want to be associated with Africa. You rather be Arab.
Why is there even a discussion or debate between Africans and African Americans? We're not the same. Different genetics, different cultures, and different life experiences. We have to stop all this well you're beneath me because I'm x,y,z, etc. Who cares? There are thousands of ethnic groups in Africa, and different subgroups of Black Americans. Nobody shares identity, so why discuss it?
@@bohwe43 Bc it help bring perspective to the different aspects of the human experience. Helps give a sense of belonging & distinction. Being considerate of more aspects of LIFE is never a bad thing
It remind me of Killmonger in Black Panther when he thought Wakanda had a responsibility to help all black people as if they were one happy family against the evil colonialists.
Black panther was by a white producer to spread falsehood and create more divide, we in Africa see every black person as African your denial doesn't count.
Not really, because in Africa one country can have 20 different ethnic groups in the one country. Africans have fought tribal and ethnic wars for thousands of years. Long before they saw a white man. They enslaved each other and still do.
Yeh you see, problem is that you are white. As far as morons such as this bongo who talks about the problem of white supremacy is concerned there are no ethnic or cultural differences between Europeans, Americans and hell probably even Russians.
I think we're all aware of this. The big difference is the trauma from the Atlantic Slave Trade, slavery and Jim Crow in the United States. White enslavers did not care about the language or ethnicity of Africans. They separated enslaved people from similar ethnic groups and punished them for speaking African languages. They didn't see or treat Africans as humans but chattel sent there to work and enrich their economy. The loss of languages, names, and certain cultural practices were not a choice made by Black people in the US. For Black Americans, white supremacy has been on our necks since we got here. We had to come together to survive. Trauma and the fight for survival saw those differences fall away, and new identities emerged. Present-day African nationalities did not exist until the end of the Berlin Conference and the creation of new nations post independence. A lot of ethnic groups and ethnic lines in African countries were created and solidified by Europeans during colonialism. In majority Black countries, it can appear that white supremacy is further away or non-existent. But we can see that the global economy is built to enrich Western/ white countries while depleting resources and destabilizing governments on the African continent. White supremacy loves when it can continue and stay invisible. I feel like many Africans and Caribbean people fall into the trap of being blind to their real enemy.
yes, because abroad we classify people more based on where they come from, not their skin color. For me American is American, no matter your decent or what you look like, most and above all you are (US) American. You still experience discrimination, but usually based on your nationality.
@@petitechinoise581 I Agree, but even abroad specifically in Europe, being of African descent affected my experience. To make a long story short, discrimination happens.
I'm American and reading these comments, I really don't feel welcome anywhere. It's a sad existence, not welcome or accepted in the land you were born in and not welcome or accepted in the land that you've been told that you descend from. And no I am not playing the victim, this is just how I feel. It is what it is 🤷🏿♀️ a people with no homeland according to white Americans and Africans.
Same in Europe. Nationality. Sometimes divided, sometimes united. Americans are Americans regardless of ethnicity. I think the rest of the world is pretty aware how continents and countries around the world work, and why we are so diverse.
Don’t be so sure, you’d be surprise how unaware the average American is but talk about “football” and the latest celebrity scandal and they’ll know everything
I can confirm 👍. I had no clue until I met many Africans in college. My wife and I have become close friends with many of them, and most are Nigerian. Yoruba and Igbo comes up almost immediately in conversations between them and when we meet other Africans. "Black in America" is like the secondary conversation. My wife loves the music and dance culture so much that she has become adept at identifying the ethnic differences. She'll walk up to someone that she believes sounds a certain way by mannerisms and talking and guess the correct ethnic group most of the time when asking someone she met. I still don't know if it's a lucky guess or not. Lol. I just know the food and music have made a solid place in my heart.
I agree 100%. I'm a white European but I don't identity as white first. I identify as French, as Provençal (my region), as Mediterranean from my mother and as Italian and Piedmontese (region) from my father. When you meet people, you ask where they come from, country, region, city. US people simplified things as they lost their roots identities
"Whiteness" is an interesting topic. Some will argue the concept is relatively new. And that it isn't based in biology but ideology. Like, at one time Irish and Greeks and Jews weren't accepted under the umbrella term of "white". At least in the US. However, that changed over time with assimilation and other factors. As ideologies changed or evolved.
Imo, the US panned out the way it did because the country is younger than the concept of race itself. There's not thousands of years of culture and customs that are completely removed from that concept. Race has always been one of if not the most divisive topics in the country since its conception.
Depends who you are talking to and how they are talking to you or how old they are to you and where you are when your having conversation because if they are elders asking you where you are from, it's again different.
@Nateolison well not to mention when people got to America they were encouraged to leave their nationality at the door and adopt the metling culture here thus an African no longer is African nor is a Frank no longer French when they assimilate into the country. Leaving you with white and black "ethnicities" tied to the American national.
@@isaack2084 Its 90% black. Most Jamaicans don't deal with a race other than black or mixed Indians who are also black. There is no racial Caste system because black people are in all class found in Jamaica. Your talking about economical class structure which is in every country.
@@kinglace3782 I live on the island. what caste system are you talking about. everyone have an opportunity to achieve something and move from one class to the next. you are responsible for your own success and your skin complexion doesn't determine it, your mindset does.
America has its own way of classifying ethnicity that is informed by its history. One of the problems is that since the US is the dominant military and economic power as of 2023, we think the rest of the world should think about every single thing the way we do…which really makes no sense
This makes sense. It's the same in most countries/regions where the population is of homogenous skin color. This is the case in Europe, India, Thailand, China, etc. too where your last name and place of origin are big determiners of your social status
sadly is not the same in all the americas. Slavery and colonization steal a lot of their cultural heritage and let them only with the skin colour as a identification. even so, Latin america is more chill in this point because of the miscegenation that happening since iberians came here... that is different from USA were segregation was the norm.
😭❤️🩹🌍 Sadly In retrospect Africans and Native Americans were easily defeated by Europeans which is a lot smaller because of the differential tribes. Some fought the French and some helped the French. Some fought the Portuguese and some helped the Portuguese. If everyone in Africa identified as Black 1st or African first or even Nigerian first world history would change over night
As a black American who has discussed this topic many times, watched various videos and viewed posts, I've concluded that we need to stop talking about it. Africans and Black Americans aren't the same. Black Americans are genetically a multiracial group. Africans are 100% African. Black American African identity has been lost for 500 years. We see things differently from each other, and that's fine. We need to stop having these discussions because it leads to who's superior and who's not. It's ridiculous. Let's accept our differences and move on with our lives. Black Americans can't define Africa, and Africans like Africans can't describe black Americans and our experience in this the U.S. All these diaspora wars, calling each other unkind names, fighting to be the acceptable negro to white society, enough already, just live life.
Damn right. I've been to Kenya twice. They talk about "those Cameroonian kids" living inside the same gated community. The politics is tribal, Kikuyu, Swahili and Masai. They all look different at a glance. Meanwhile in the US they talk about "the black community" and "black culture". I don't think those things exist.
Very true, Kenyan politics is very tribal, actually it's tribal based😂😂😂, no ideologies, just what tribe are you from?, Is your tribe cool with my tribe? If so, here's my vote😂😂😂
@@RogueAutumn Every continent hasn't been damaged by tribalism like we've done to ourselves.Weve normalized tribalism more than others have normalized race as an identity.
@@triplebeans4159 Due to their own tribalism, the Europeans depleted the resources of their own continent so much that they started exploiting our continent. Then they invented the “negro race” to justify that exploitation.
First time i heard someone taalk about people coming here taking our jobs and houses it was about people moving from wolverhampton to Telford a journey of 20 miles and they were the same colour as the people thhey complained about
Same with Moroccans. Americans dont understand that their are darker and lighter skinned Moroccans. But we dont distinguish eachother like that. We are all Moroccans.
As an African that has lived in the west and africa we really don’t have the same issues. In my opinion what blacks have to deal with in America is child’s play compared to what some Africans deal with
Race is a big identifier for Black Americans because most Black Americans, more specifically their ancestors, have lost their cultural identity through slavery. Their languages, traditions, and religions were beathen out of them and as children were torn away from their parents, the new-generational continuation of culture was also broken. In addition to the slavery, Black Americans have been otherized since the past three and a half hundred years, and so they developed a shared "Black" culture and identity.
Yes i was thinking also of course an Afrikan Amerikam cant identify by his Tribe as he doesnt even know from which Country he originally came. Just now where this Tests are available some Afrikan Amerikan are able to trace where they are from.
@@susanneal6063 The tests can be problematic. They often show that someone has ancestry from several different African countries and often some European ancestry too. They might be fun to do, but they don't produce the specific tribal identity that might be hoped for.
@@tochukwuifeanacho3843 Again, it's not so simple. For instance, African Americans often discover that they are very mixed with very small percentages of DNA from many African nations. What if the very highest single percentage a person has is 24% Nigerian. So first they have to ignore that they are actually 76% something else. Suppose they do ignore it and decide to identify as Nigerian, well which tribe are they going to join, and how do they choose? And does any tribe (who have already been separated from them by several hundred years of history, language, religion and other social and cultural differences) actually want them? Or will they just see them as a delusional foreigner? Without the basic language and cultural background, the whole thing could quickly become very artificial. Sadly, 'belonging' is not a choice.
I stayed a few nights in Geneva Switzerland in a hostel and my roommate was a black man from Benin, Africa. One of the kindest and coolest guys I’ve ever met. He didn’t treat me like most black Americans do. As a white man it’s hard to explain to people but it’s like when I speak with most Americans who are black they aren’t mean at all but you can tell something feels a bit off like they don’t trust me 100% or they expect me to be a little racist out if the blue and are preparing for it. It’s just weird to me, but it’s true. When I hung out with this guy i never felt any of that. This guy was genuinely excited to get to know an American cause it was his dream to move here. He was so excited to learn about the different states and he was just so genuine. I think about that dude everyday and I hope his dreams come true and he gets to move here.
Here in Ireland my daughters boyfriend is originally from Nigeria and while we were doing a grocery shop he laughed at my bag and said in Nigeria theyre called 'Ghana must go' bags. Now I call them 'Ghana go home' bags I keep forgetting the real name 😂
@@ReinaAfricanaeverything is not "Ghana must go bag" we in Nigeria are beginning to stop using that phrase and to many young ones it only mean a bag big enough to contain.
Yes! I am a mixed race American but grew up in Namibia. I was always identified as American. It didn’t matter that I was brown, I was obviously not African and therefor others identified me by my nationality. When I moved back to America as an adult it was really difficult because I was no longer identified as American and firmly placed in the Black category because of my skin and treated differently. It really shook my view of who and what I identified as.
Some of us are left in a limbo. As a Puerto Rican, racially I'm tri-racial from generations ago. Nationality is American. Ethnicity is Hispanic/Latino. But, the rest of my life was spent in the US mainland. I can't cook my people's food either (I only know some dishes), so i kinda cook whatever. I can't completely mix back w my people, nor can I completely mix w my adopted home. i basically am a foreigner to the both of them.
The difficulty you experienced in America with your new black identity is because as a mixed race and American in an African country, you enjoyed some privileges and adoration that ceased to exist the moment you entered the States. Psychologically, the pedestal on which you stood on the social strata in Africa is, suddenly, pulled off your "feet" and you find yourself at the bottom of the social strata in America. I can understand why that would be painful for you.
I’m Italian and I have the same feelings with Italian American they perceive me as buddy but I’m from the north of Italy and ALL what they know it’s from the south Italian culture that’s completely different .. They are just American for me …
These are healthy determining factors of people groups that the West tries most ardently to destroy. As an African American rediscovering my roots I employ others to not allow the psychological paradigm of race to supersede historical and cultural identity.
And in the US, ethnicity doesn't really mean much. If I tell Europeans, "Oh yeah, I'm mostly German and Irish", they scold me and say "No, you're American."
Yes, because Americans are not culturally connected to the countries their ancestors came from. Europeans laugh at Americans saying they're this and that ethnicity and acting out a culture that is not theirs. Americans are chasing something they don't have, they've lost their ties to their whatever European culture they came from and are ethnically mixed, plus Americans are a far cry from any sort of European mentality (they don't think like the Irish, Brits, Portugese, Polaks, Greeks, etc.). When a foreign European makes my country their home, the new generations from that foreigner's family consider themselves of our culture, nationality, and if that foreigner had kids with one of our nationals, our ethnicity (if they don't segregate themselves into marrying into the same ethnicity, like it tends to happen with bigger minorities of my country). Some people tend to not keep track of their ancestry or not let it get in the way of them being a national by heart. A national hero of our country had German and Polish descendants parents, but he was a national of ours and lived for our country. He had no relation to his grandparents' countries and cultures, his father even changed his last name to sound like a native one. If you live your everyday life as an American, then you're American, not this and that culture. If you're Polish, you're always Polish in your country, no matter if you have a german grandparent, because you live your day to day life as a Polish citizen, not as an ancestor of a German. There may be some of "my great grandparent/grandparent" was "X" or "Y", but they don't tend to chase that and try to emulate that ancestors' culture, as they've integrated into our society, and definitely don't make a math pizza explaining their ancestry like Americans do. And if there happens to be a big minority, then they'd be in full contact with that minority, so they might keep their language, culture, ethnicity going, but not if there's not that many or aren't centralized to one place. Like, the region from where my father comes from has been under the Ottoman Empire's rule for some good 400 years in the past and has had a huge turkish and tatar populations into the early 1900's, it also has bulgars, ghiaurs, jews and other ethnicities, but even if I were to take a DNA test and find out I'm some less than 15% turkish/bulgarian through my paternal unknown line of my grandpa I've never had the chance to meet as he died long before I was born or my great grandma, that wouldn't change the fact that I am so detached from those cultures it would be, as americans call it, "cultural appropriation" to act out one of those cultures. Your ethnicity means nothing without culture and nationality attached to it.
honestly, American should be considered it's own ethnicity. the way some Americans go "oh i'm 1/16th Irish, so I'm going to hang pagan celtic shit all over my house" or "my great-great-grandmother was half-Cherokee" is just strange. i mean, it's much rarer to see a German person call themselves "Prussian" or "Bavarian", even though Germany as a unified nation is even younger than the USA lol
@@the-letter_s Just to chime in, I agree nobody will call themselves Prussian in Germany, but Bavarians do pride themselves in being Bavarian 😂 It's because Prussia doesn't exist anymore but the different regional identities do remain, so people will actually identify as Bavarian, Hessian, Frisian, Saxon, Swabian, Rhinelander etc. to differentiate themselves when they are among fellow Germans
Americans are a breed of their own. America is that weird kid that you keep around in your friend group because he knows some shit, but his personality and attitude are shit. We keep america around as they pretty decent as fodder in war and you somehow got a lot of money even though your trillions in debt.
I am a Tanzanian living in America, and I want to say you are right. I have made the same observation in my book, "Chickens in the Bus: More Thoughts on Cultural Differences."
I think we are making things too complicated here in the comments whereas it's actually pretty basic. As a black american, I worked with a sister who was from Kenya. As an executive I held a mentoring discussing with some younger people and asked this sister to speak. She spoke exactly to this! When in Africa, she never considered much about her color/being black. But once she left the continent, that understanding was forced on her by those she interacted with and media she encountered. Whites looked at her as just black period. So its the environment we grow up with, as the narrator is stating, white supremacy ignores your cultural or ethnic background, just your race. No one is better or lesser, different environments we have to navigate in, that's all.
U get it...I don't understand why it's hard for some people to get what the guy in video is saying.its not a narrative of "I'm better than thou"...it's just these differences.some people wanna be triggered I guess
Skin colour doesn't matter. Character is the ultimate factor in judging another and embracing each other's cultural differences and what makes us unique to one and other
Well that's all good in theory but in real life you are judged and you judge others based on appearance of social status, aethetics, and how you carry your self. To say otherwise is disinginuous.
Then why y'all get mad when you see more POC in entertainment and claim a certain someone is being "replaced"? Weird I guess you DONT judge character as you should. A tiresome argument; "JudGe ChArCtEr!" Ok let's do it... "Here's the new Tinker Bell actor for the movie" "Oh my god they changed her! why!?" What do you mean changed her? As in her look? Tinker Bell's identity and character isn't defined as "white skin blonde" It's just "fairy" and it's not boy or girl, it's magical creature which we don't even know if they have sex or genders... "but they look like girls, so they're girls!" But we don't define or judge things by how they look remember, we judge character. So if she doesn't act like a human girl, because it's not, she's not any of those then. But it's weird that this is a problem on a live action version of a cartoon... It's quite silly and a self report, a confession, that no, these people don't "judge character" and most certainly only judge immediately based on looks on the first encounter...and if you try to point that out, they get mad... Look at that ragged person sleeping on the sidewalk, judged... Look at that person in the fancy car and suit; Judged... It's human nature, just make sure your judgements aren't uneducated sexist racist stereotypes and you'll be fine.. Get to know people, and even after that, you don't get to judge them, respect goes a long way.
I was born in Brooklyn and have lived and worked in environments with global populations throughout my whole life. I can never get enough of what this guy is talking about. How people interact and identify with themselves and others can be an incredibly nuanced topic depending on a wide array of factors. Thank you for your post.
As it African myself, we don't see race as much, but in certain places, there are some racist issues that need to be solved, like, for example, how there is in all white town in South Africa, of all places.
@@SSD_Penumbra Africa has the highest genetic diversity of humans in earth. While most humans outside of Africa just stem from 3 or 4 founder populations that moved out, hence inbred to an extent. Africa was the hotspot from where they moved out. You can see that for yourself, we got the Nilotes the tallest race on earth, the Pygmies the shortest. We got Khoi san bushmen, with orange skin(not black). In Kenya, the Masai look nothing like the Kikuyu.
@@PaulAllen6304 not really. They all have the same bone structures called the negroid structure (and yes that is the official name of their bone structure) whites and Indians are caucazoids while East Asians, native Americans, and pure Latin Americans are mongoloids. The more diversity also doesn’t mean the genetic differences are as large, rather there are just a lot of different similarish groups.
That’s why I do not identify as African, never in my entire life. I was born in the West Indies even though my dad mom is from East India and America. I grew us as native of that island. Everyone are natives of whatever island they were born on. So we have roots of our ancestry.
@@ernestinejohnson9022 listen dear brother, you may not be nationally or culturally African, but your DNA 🧬 Your ancestral Roots 🌳🎋🌲 are undoubtedly in Africa! To forsake that is risk eternal doom! Do not forget the struggle the likes of the Great Marcus Garvey went through to re-establish a linkage back to the mother continent that was sabotaged by guess who? Our Colonizers and Enslavers, we're in the same battle, we're just fighting in different battlegrounds. We Acknowledge the difference, but we should look at the bigger picture that's how we end this long unending nightmare, because at the end of the day we all come from from the same place 🌍 Remember that. Peace to you family. 🙏🏾☝🏾one ❤️ love
Personally, I think "American Black" should be seen as a separate and unique ethnic group, not a race. In America, "Blacks" have hundreds of years of shared history, culture and experiences. A black African immigrating to America shares none of those things, and really is an "African-American", not Black.
Black Americans (also named African Americans) are a ethic group. The problem is because America see race as more important than ethnicity and culture, black people who migrate from Africa, The Caribbean & Latin America countries and their kids born in America who are their own ethnicities and cultures are just labeled as black American or African America like if all black people in America are monolithic (all the same).
It literally is that simple, people who’s goal it is to completely eradicate racism/sexism or any other -ism don’t realise the scale & scope of the task they’ve assumed
@@justadummy8076 The biggest solution is just don't create a multi cultural society, Japanese ppl stay in Japan, Egyptians stay in Egypt, etc. Racism is a modern problem because of immigration and news/media
People can be the same and still be horrible to each other. People recognize that others have different backgrounds depending on where they grew up. Nothing is inherently wrong with that. That’s just logical thinking
That’s why this western forced idea of “pan Africanist” is so freaking stupid. Black Americans don’t realize how much Africans hate each other. And they especially don’t realize how much Africans hate black americans
This was great. Good job my friend the ony thing I would add is most black people in America have been stripped of name, language and culture. In return we received religion, and a new name to identify with; African American
This video reflects what I've been thinking for a while. Identity goes from narrow to wide. My identity starts with me, my name, and my personal history. These will tell you much more than what my ethnicity, nationality, or race will tell you.
Look at all my black American brothers and sisters getting defensive about what our brother from Africa is speaking in!!! We as black Americans have to understand that identifying as a color ( Which All don't fit the label) don't mean anything in Majority of the World! It's just a color! We have a origin and come from a Nation/s that so happens to be black skin ppls, So calling yourself black and allowing others to label you as so is confusing to other black ppl around the world. He didn't disrespect black Americans, He really speaking truth to Us! That's why I stress the importance of finding Your individual lineage,Pray, Research, Give DNA tests a chance and maybe You'll find what Nation/ethnicity You/we belong too. Because how it's going now , It's mass confusion, resentment etc amongst black ppl worldwide while WS take a break! Find your roots black Americans! Your origin/Nation! No more crayon color labels! I love y'all! Peace
How can we find our roots thru DNA testing when we are our own melting pot of so many tribes in west/ central Africa? DNA cannot provide us with that variety of information so where would we even start? Do we just study tribes like Yoruba,Mandinka,Wolof,Igbo,Ogun,or Ashanti and just pick one like a single from a full deck of cards? I mean I understand what your saying but you also have to understand that all that information on who we are, or were, was taken from us so we're just trying to restore that history back. Being Black is all we have and that's why we use it.
@@CushiteChristian Being black is all we wanna use as well as Falling on our own understanding! I used to African ancestry DNA that deals with tribes not just country. Expensive but worth it to me! Me personally, I refuse to just be a color Especially when I'm not actually black skinned! I've always had a connection with Igbo ppl but once African Ancestry made that connection, I now understand that bond. We can believe it or not it's up to the individual, I just refuse to identify as a crayon color, Some incorrect sighting mentioned by bias whites, Nor what 1 grandparent so called said!
@@CushiteChristian I also agree with you on black Americans being a mixed multitude of ppls! We are not All the same ppls by a long shot! Melinated YES! Same lineage NO! Just look at How Black Americans are in Each state!? All very Different Phenotypes, Skin tones, Accents, Traditions etc. That's why I stress finding your own individual roots, cuz thinking the next negro (black American) is your kin really isn't. That's why you get different Mentalities, Personalities, Traits, etc when dealing with different negros! Peace
Well live in American culture, because whi tf haven't been in slavery or got they azz conquered and sold. And you telling me you don't know anyone Predominantly European ethnic frim an actual relationship and if so just accept all your ethnicities and be American. Blk is already a racist anglo Saxon view, where if you look like Mariah Carey or darker you blk. The pan African and European stuff weird. The most i say is blk and check the African American/blk, for the blk part being their 😅, I just say it as a stupid label through Americans race view
Tribalism is the biggest problem in Africa. Nearly every election in Africa is always affected by tribal clashes. Don't wish for these divisions in the US. It will end badly.
@@TheAnthraxBiology Yet all kind of hatemongers are trying to create division based on race, gender or other nonessential feature. They don't allow you to identify simply as an "American" because that would undermine their agenda of hate.
@@lasagnasux4934, you're lucky you're dealing with only a few groups. In Africa, several countries have 100+ tribes. And that's not even counting the clans within each tribe. When someone wins an election to be president, he ends up appointing at least one person from as many tribes as possible to be ministers in government. Nothing gets done and the government becomes too big. Most Americans have no idea how Africa operates, that's why many were shocked when Trump criticized Africa. We have major problems.
@Unlearn Business fair enough. The extent of my knowledge of African politics is Egypt from the 60s on, Hutus and Tutsis, and the disaster that was President Mugabe of Zimbabwe.
The stupid thing about being black is: When you tell other black people that you are indigenous and that your ancestors were not brought in on slave ships, they pull out that "everybody originated from Africa" crap out their asses.
If you think you're not from Africa then you're the biggest Flop ever. Every Black slave came from Africa. You gonna say you originated from Australia son I guess.
Indigenous to what, there are no native white Americans as well if that will help, don't be offended when your roots are linked to Africa, you are an American and that's all that matters.
Even your ancestors are not brought in on slave ships doesn't matter coz your ancestors were slave, indigenous people were slave and they were tortured and killed too by Europeans, not only africans were the victims but indigenous too
Spot on. I never saw myself as a black girl until I moved to UK. And here, I feel a kinship towards every Afro-Carribean that I meet. I smile and nod and say hi when I pass any on the street.
I was in Africa for a year teaching and training, no one gave AF about race there. They thought it was stupid to even think about it. Sure they called me mazungu, but no one acted like they cared at all we had different skin tones. And TBH, if I could find a good job in Kampala, Jinja, Naivasha, or Nairobi, I'd probably take it.
I am Zambian, we call people who are of European decent "muzungu" not to be racist, but to be descriptive. Muzungu means white person in most east African languages.
Mazungu would be the plural term of saying white people. But yes we don't give a damn about race we just want to get through the day and have the work done. And we treat everyone who's foreign with great hospitality. We certainly don't think people who weren't there during colonisation should die for their ancestors idiocy as much as our tribal chiefs need to held accountable in selling people for slavery.
Spot on - people need to belong to a group. Race it’s not a primary identification, its arbitrary. Otherwise people use language, region, religion, dialect, politics or even a soccer team to create “us vs. them”
I think this is also true for white people in Africa, because people will identify first with their culture or usually their language before their race, even though we are a minority group
Funny how people don't instantly understand this considering there would be no question that someone named Heinrich was say German while someone named Ivan was say Russian
The thing is that Heinrich and Timothy would get together and feel a bond in the presence of Mbutu or Tunde, yet Tunde and Mbutu wouldn’t feel that bond if they where in the company of Timothy. There is a deep understanding between whites regardless of tribe or culture that black people simply lack.
@@PermanentWater You're wrong. Tell this to Balkan states. They will definitely not feel that bond. I'm Polish and I saw more Polish people feeling the bond with Haitians (because of their history and there were some Polish immigrants in Haiti) than with Russians who are a Slavic nation like we are. I saw many Poles feel the bond with the Polish descendants who currently have different nationality or with the nations who kept fighting for their independence than with many European nations like British, Germans, Russians...
@@recordofragnarokisapurehyp6660 I purposely avoided the name Ivan and chose Timothy instead because I think that this is primarily a Western European thing. More specifically a north-western European thing. Religion might have a bit to do with it, I'm not sure. I recall watching a documentary about a war between French and English in America about 2/3 hundred years ago. The Native Indians had just helped the English defeat the French but the Indians were extremely puzzled and betrayed when after the French surrendered the English commanders had a friendly dinner with the French commanders. There is an understanding between these europeans that befuddles outsiders. (also they had a chivalry code thing going way. back to the medieval days that is very typically European.)
@@Alias_Anybody I can think of examples of it in history from 200 years ago and more. I think it might have a lot to do with Chivalric codes etc. It's mostly amongst those of Germanic descent, ie the Angles, Saxons, Franks, Lombards etc etc .....
It's also that way in Europe (and pretty much everywhere else). People from Iceland and people from Albania are both white but they have massively different cultures to the point that lumping them both into the "white culture" category doesn't make sense.
still makes way more sense than grouping everyone of the same colour into a literal colour category and expecting it to say everything about their character
Every Americans, no matter of skin color, will realize how american they are once they get outside of their country.
Exactly just likes Oreos, only black on the outside
Black Americans that go outside the country realize things others from the outside dont.
Like my husband said about my black friend "she's the most Swedish person I've met", maybe because her mother is Swedish, and she's raised here in Sweden duh 😅
When I visit Nigeria, I understand more of who I am as an American and as a Black person. You understand yourself even more. What you learn about yourself in Africa you can not get in America because it is not there.
I mean, not really, but okay.
Claiming Black Africans are all the same is like claiming all Caucasians are all the same.
I'm gonna make peace between Arab immigrants in Sweden and the native swedes by telling them that as Caucasians, they should get along. 😂😂
Yeah, don't put me in the same class as those innercity niggas 🤣. But seriously, I understand what this guy means.
Well Europeans are far more homogenous
Asians too.
People say Asians all look the same, but it's actually pretty easy to tell Koreans, Japanese, Chinese, etc. apart with some experience.
Although, with the Chinese, it's a little harder to tell individuals apart, because when your population keeps getting halved every century or so, your genepool starts to get small _real_ fast.
All caucasians are the same.
My Russian buddy said he didnt know he was "white" until he came to America. He said : "whatever "white" is I'm NOT that...but I am I guess". as an African that always made sense to me.
I'm Russian and I'm obviously white. Your friend is weird. It's a fairly big topic in Russia, both in terms of "SJW" media and in terms of non-white immigrants in Russia. Far-right racist movements are quite wide-spread.
@@Humanophage или был метисом, либо одним из коренных народов России (татар, башкиры, эрзяны, кумыки и т.д). Или же само это понятие (Европеоид - белый).
Can relate, I'm from Venezuela and whatever definition of "latino" they have in the US, it doesn't represent me, and their stereotypes even less, that's not me
It is extremely weird your buddy didn't know he was white, because Russian is obviously white. There is a very unethical expression in Russian language "...like a while man..." which doesn't sound good if you try to use it in other languages. It is always used in some context. Ask your buddy, mate.
As an aboriginal american it made sense to us too and every time we jumped up to fight against race classifications identity fraud...a pirate group called pan-africans took part as being us saying WE BLACK and want justice. Tbh black foriegners were our worst enemies that worked in the system. Its not insults its facts in hidden sight that came to light.
Exactly. That's the big difference between black american and black from outside of the usa. They think the skin color unites everyone but it's not true at all. You summed it up really well.
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I just imagined having to be in union with people because they are as pale as me. I am opting out, thank you.
Lol same here. I have my own personality too, just because we have the same skin color, doesn't mean we will get along or have the same interests
true, but we are still all from Africa
@@tracycalloway7160 We just have the same skin color and come from the geolocation that's all, don't expect too much. Who you are as a person is more important
I was once called racist because I said that dividing people into “races” like they do in the US doesn’t make much sense in the rest of the world.
it does make sense tho and its not dividing its differentiating
@@ihx7 why would it make sense? Do you need to modify your behaviour when addressing a "black" man vs "white"? There are huge differences between people of European descent as well, not a whole lot in common between an Italian, Russian and Irish. Better to just treat each person as a blank slate rather than characterising them before even knowing them.
@@ihx7 it does more harm than good. it is possible to acknowledge differences in people without having to divide them into categories that can be used for harmful ideologies. Also “black”, “white”, “asian” etc is barely even precise. You cannot lump all the people on the whole continent of Africa or Asia or Europe or South America as one category each, based on their skin tone. it’s ridiculous. A black person from Namibia is very different to a black person from Sudan. A white person from France is vastly different to a white person from Iceland. India, China, Vietnam, Japan. All these people are “asian” but to lump them into one “race” is ridiculous
Istg the only place that you can be called racist bc you are not being racist is America lmao
If you say "I treat people equally, I don't treat them Based on their race" Americans may call you racist or get triggered BC YOU ARE NOT BEING RACIST
Is just too bizarre that is hilarious
@@ihx7 Differentiating people by race just serves the ideologies and the ideological war. In my country this american worldview is being imported, and people are increasingly turning into racists to "fight against racism".
moral of the story is that humans find ways to divide themselves no matter what
Differentiation is not division.
Seems like hate and division is just as plentiful as love and unity.
"to each their own"
It is our nature to label and compartmentalize everything.
It doesn't have to be a bad thing.
That's a fact, if the divide is not by race, then it's tribe, class, wealth, skin color, family lineage, land ownership, or some other thing. Race has been the most recent divide for centuries now and has proven to be the most detrimental divide of them all, especially since no one can control the race they are born as. Also, the older societies were less oppressive, but were not better because it spawned what we see today. We need new ideals that eliminate slavery, suffering, and death. This doesn't mean that people can't separate based on race, tribe, class, etc., it just means that there should be peaceful separation and not exploitation nor degradation based on what you choose to align with or what you are born as.
What makes it worse is, in America, they group by skin color first, and often only that. Despite the fact that there are vastly different cultures within those groups, they expect everyone to think and behave the same way.
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@@FreeB1Speech It’s the truth. We Somalis never call ourselves black. But ppl try their hardest to lump us in with black Americans when we look very different, and have a whole different culture. It’s all about color in the US.
@@Hikmah1995 exactly, or they try to lump all Africans in one group when we're all different in our own unique ways culturally
Same thing with asians. Asia isn’t just China but America seems to think it is.
@@crazymonkey9719you're just lying now
As a black American woman I do not like to be called African American. I was not born in Africa.
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Stop it!
treated differently?
How?
Your Dad belongs to a clan over there. Does he not?
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Lol! Familiarity dispels all doubts.
But your roots are from Africa and you're an African descent.
You hate yourself that much?
Ikr
You're definitely white😂
As a European, I found quite weird to fill American forms that asked for my "race". I didn't even know what a Caucasian was
Because in America, those boxes activate biases.
That's pretty strange. Especially since 'Caucasian' is a scientifically outdated term
@@maxmillar2723 I have found it multiple times between the choices
@@maxmillar2723 what is the scientifically new term then
@@Infam0usKiller Idk. European probably. The Caucasian race was an idea made along with a theory of biological race (which has been disproven) developed by an anthropologist in the late 1700's. The term is geographically inaccurate, because it implies that white people all came from the Caucasus region. I can't tell if the "then" at the end of your sentence is you doubting me, so I just put in that justification. Have a good day.
You’re right, you weren’t separated by race, you were separated by tribe. Some African tribes sold others off because they didn’t see the other as “the same”. It wasn’t just one big happy African family, you had conflicts between the Xhosa and the zulus, the Zulu vs Ndwandwe war, Conflicts between Herero and the Nama peoples, Bantu peoples pushing out the Khoisan speaking peoples from their ancestral homes… etc.
Btw: before anyone thinks I’m some umlungu trying to sow discord, I’m Mexican indigenous. I just read a whole lot about geopolitics and history.
and dont forgets the arab muslims started to buy african slaves way before the europeans
@@aznation6275 yeah my bad, I mixed up Bantu with what I meant to say, Xhosa.
@vogel vogeltjie if you are Mexican why don't you talk about Native Americans,and how Native Americans collaborated with Europeans against other Native Americans?
@@mikeaskme3530 I’m not Mexican buddy, I’m indigenous from Mexico, I was born and live in California. But what you speak of is totally true, yes. The problem is, I’m commenting on this specific video. This video isn’t about Native Americans. It’s about Africans. So…what? I can’t comment on a CZcams video now?
Can you proof the claim that Africans were into selling themselves?
Exactly! As an African this is my biggest obstacle in trying to understand African Americans and them funneling all identity down to race when we see it as a layered thing.
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That’s fine just don’t weigh in on politics concerning Black people since you don’t understand the struggle
@@lillybelle544 you're not the sole determining factor on Black identity and Black struggle. Africans are also Black people. Being Black is not just found in the U.S.
I was talking about from the African worldview, race is multilayered with ethnicity, tribe, caste, nationality etc and I was just explaining how that can make it difficult understanding others who see it it only about skin colour. And probably vice versa.
Rushing to unprovoked anger and condescension doesn't make for an actual intellectual dialogue.
@@eb9450 y'all need to stop lying! Africa was colonized, you know damn well the difference between blacks and whites. Stop coming here pretending you don't know.
@@amenajackson8133 do you have a problem with reading comprehension? Because nothing I wrote above even comes close to suggest what you're saying. I'm saying just that actually: that Black people are found outside U.S too especially in Africa. I'm not going to repeat myself again, you can read if you want what I wrote back to your peer. Or choose to misunderstand. Up to you.
It's similar in Europe. Here the primary factor to putting someone on a box is their language/accent/dialect.
Sadly many people still think "Africa" and "Asia" are countries though. 😒
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Not sure where are you from, but most people in Europe that i talk to (and I talk to a lot of them as I travel a lot) know the difference between a country and a continent 😂
Heck, a lot of people can even recite the American states and theie capital cities. In my experience the most ignorant people (not saying that all of them are like that, but generally speaking...) in regards to geography, ethnicisity as well as history are Americans. It might have something to do with the education system as well.
@@kaicluster6783 That's true, I was exaggerating. People generally know there are different countries, however they often refer to "Africa" or "Asia" in the media and in conversation, making it seem like there is no diversity and like the whole continent is doomed and undeveloped. Saying things like "Even in Africa they have better cell phone reception than we do".
@@aeafilmsuk Thank you so much brother. I always tell people the world does not see race like they do in America. Our tribe and ethnicity and nationality comes first, not our skin colour.
But the same thing is in Europe too, especially in Eastern Europe. We do not see ourselves primarily as “ white “ either . I’m from south East Europe ( the Balkans) I live in NYC since 2015 . I always find it very annoying to be named as white all the time and every part of my identity is being reduced to “ whiteness “ .
That must be you alone then, because in the UK, Eastern Europeans 100% definitely themselves as white and are often the most racist of whites even though, white English people see them as 2nd class white people.
@@knowledgeisablessing8767 Well, I'm from Poland and I have rarely see Poles thinking of themselves as "white". Maybe these are refugees or people you've met but here in our land we definitely do not do that. You're either a Polish or an outsider no matter if you're Ukrainian, British, German, Hindu or Aborigene.
If sb erased my cultural identity to "whiteness", I would probably slap them bro, I feel you. Greetings from Poland.
Are you white?
@@-_Blitz_- they said that they are?
Moral of the story, it doesn’t matter how homogenous a society is, people will always find ways to differentiate themselves.
well yes thats esentially europe ,We celebrated time since end of WW2 untill russians attacked ukraine in 2014 as longest period of peace in our history .
Not sure if that is the moral, or if its a moral at all but the explanation of a social phenomena
Oh, wow..these differentiating factors in tribe, culture and language go much deeper than the American color palette division between people. "They" are not homogenous at all and not the same people as you say simply because they share skin color.
Because tribalism is in our dna. People will always find a reason to differentiate themselves. I'd argue that the most common way is through status. Skin colour, nationalities, family names etc are mostly just different ways of pointing out the differences in status.
Tribalism is a social construct, our construction is social, don't say some bullshit like its in our DNA, that's fucking dumb
Thank you for breaking this down. As a Nigerian in the US, it’s hard to explain this at times.
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An African American friend of mine came back from a trip to Africa all upset. He said the locals viewed him as white because he was American.
I heard that really white people that visit Africa are thought to be ghosts or evil spirits or something and they get scared of them.
There’s a weird disconnect between us. Same way this African American said I shouldn’t waste food because there are starving children in Africa unprovoked….
@@nuclearcatbaby1131 who told you that? Can you point out an instance of that? And show the country, town, tribe, location of that incident?
@@goodvibesstation7835 theres obese children too😂
Maybe cuz...hes not african at all and they all know it.
Shit, my Italian side of the family acts like other Italians from different towns in the same region are an alien species
Same in Greece 😂😂
Used to be Athens-Sparta, now it’s Athens-Thessaloniki.
I live in Zurich and every time I go to get a sulvaki I m directly labelled the Athenian and they make fun of how I order it 😅
@@annas4843 I've had members of my own family make fun of me for eating bread with the ends of pasta and sauce. They say it's what peasants do.
People are judgemental as a general rule 🙊
@@AdaptiveApeHybrid Lol
because they are... Italy is home to many different ethnicities. Italian is a nationality. Guess what? They even speak different Latin languages in Italy 🫢
@@eb.3764 Ethnicity is the same thing as species?
There are 2 races in this world: Rich people and us brokies
Exactly 💯
No
Excatly
Ain't that the truth.
Hard times in life, hard times in death
I'm gonna keep on fighting to my very last breath
Speak for yourself
You don't have to arrive to Africa with the Black power mentality, we are all Black.
Y'all were colonized by whites.
Some parts of Africa.
@@kemmoneR there are no white run african countries
@@lewis123417 north africans not black
We are not all black, north africans can come in different skin shades
Africa is the most ethnic diverse continent
"Differentiation is not separation" -Alan Watts.
One could say that separation is differention but not the other way around
you mean differences is not segregation. separation is a much nicer way. j was in a church in new york that has a different time for American blacks and another church time African & carribean blacks,
@@NewworldlegalWhich service had the better version of worship, in your opinion?
if we didn't have it we wouldn't exist it should be embraced instead of the perception of separate or foreign
@@terrorble727 i dont wanna be the kinda guy to evangelise on youtube comments but, there is a quran verse regarding that:
"...We made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other."
As a Nigerian 🇳🇬, he’s right. Tribe, then outside the nation it’s by country.
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The funny thing is that the same is valid for most Europeans.
We are more similar to Africans than to Americans in respect to this issue.
My core identity is that I’m Tuscan, that is my land, my tribe so to speak.
Then, as a national identity, I’m Italian.
Being European only comes as a third place, less important.
@@smtuscany in Australia, our indigenous use their tribe, then they join the rest of society who work on region of your state, Then your state then internationally it's nation.
@@smtuscany Well, here in Poland it's different between regions.
I see myself as a Polish first, then European and Slavic. Unfortunately, I live in the lands given to Poland after 1945 which are kinda cultureless.
However, many people would speak that they're Kashubians, Silesians, Cracoviaks, górals etc. before or on equal with Polish.
Interestingly enough being American used to be the thing that bound most American people together.
America is far from a perfect nation but it has in fact in it's very short history, tried to undo and correct past injustices. However, things have become so divisive here, that we don't share that common lable of "American" anymore. It's quite sad and demoralizing.
When African Americans say Africans hate them I feel sorry for them. We don’t. They are us. When in Africa, we can’t even tell they are not from here until they speak and since we know their history, we will go out of our way to treat them very well and make them feel very welcomed too.
Yeah you can. In Kenya I can see a black American from a mile away. We love the ones who are educated, and kind. We hate the ones who are ignorant, and filled with hate. You really don’t know the amount hate black Americans had for Africans back in the 2000s, and 90s.
This whole we are all African thing just started recently.
@XX Grimace Bro as a Somali who was raised in the US since 1, I can tell you for a fact black Americans hated us. I remember getting chased in the 3rd grade by a group of black, and white American kids screaming “Get those stupid Africans!”
I’ve been called a “Stupid Somalian” by black Americans so many times. There are great ones such as my fellow Muslim black Americans but the majority used to have hate for Africans.
I wish more Africans were like you because I have met quite a few that make fun of us for not knowing who we are. How can we know if white people erased our history?
@XX Grimace well, wouldn't you if your countrymen sold you into slavery?
@BlahBlahBlah No..because it's not their fault. The sins of the father are not the sins of the child. I don't get this mindset and I'm saying this as a black guy
I love being Brazilian. Even though I am mixed I don't advertise and label myself as Portuguese-Brazilian, Italian-Brazilian, African-Brazilian and native. I'm just Brazilian, period.
Indeed! And the same for all countries in Latinoamerica. The problem with gringos is that they lack an identity, while us in LatinAmerican countries have very well defined identities.
@@marylally693 You were spot on!!! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
That's some bs. Plenty of people describe themselves ss Afro-brazilian in Brazil.
@@pretendtheresaname9213
BS your @ss!
I was born and raised in Brazil. This started happening not too long ago with the help of the leftist media trying to divide people. My black friends don't call themselves Afro-Brazilians, but unfortunately some young people started labeling themselves. Thank God is not all of them!
Preto, pardo and Branco. Race identification is def used across Latin America
As a black person from Africa it's the most strange thing to talk to people internationally and hear them make something out of the fact that I'm black and they had a black boyfriend once from the US. I'm polite about it but I always think, what if I said something in response like, oh I knew a white women from Russia once. I mean, how is there any relation whatsoever. But in places like the US your skin color is very significant regardless if you come from Mars or anywhere else.
They say that because for hundred of years it was common for whites to consider blacks as animals. Meaning they are property, that cannot sleep in your house they sleep outside, they cannot own property, they don't have rights of a human and blacks are not to be associated with. Now things are different so they say this to show that they've had experience with black people before and don't have those feelings.
It kinda looks like the same frustration we get in italy when americans say the knew other italians while they were actually referring to italo-americans. The issue is that US citizens can't comprehend that other countries don't function as them
@@pucciox40 It's a messy issue all around. I think maybe we should all just identify with language. I speak english, you speak english, we all watch youtube and netflix what more do we need haha
@@russelltalker Nothing more indeed, peace to you 🙏
true they even think that we are enslaved and have been opressed by white when we are living in Africa , ppl are so weird ,😂, they expect me to rap too LoL
I feel this when I go to India too. There's so many different ethnic groups with different languages and traditions but here in Australia it's just Indian.
Indian is not nationality, the same like Chinese or African.
@@user-ru1kiindian IS a nationality but it isn't an ethnicity
@@aminaismyname4318 To say that Indian is nationality is the same like saying that Chinese is.
At least indian is better identity, instead of people calling you asian, because asian is a broad term.
In this regard i HIGHLY recommemd the book Americanah by Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie
To be honest, unless you're Black in America or lived in America as a black person then you'll never know the true struggle of Black Americans. You don't have the right to judge Black Americans when you've never walked in our shoes. Don't forget without slavery, the Black Americans would simply be Africans.
Also, skin color matter in America because White people made it like that many many years ago. If you're Black in America, white people will never let you forget you're Black. For a long time, they have forced you to live in same neighborhoods, go to same schools etc.... In a county where they had White's only schools and White only drinking fountains and White only restaurants; what else do you expect Black people to think? In Africa you deal with mostly other Africans. In American Blacks deal with being Black in a country that's not truly theirs.
💯 Fact and spot on.
I am Italian and I can confirm that it's the same in Europe. We are also very racist towards one another, especially with France.
No. You are racist to africans and the south of italy. While you aspire to be germans
I think the right word is “Xenophobic” since y’all are the same race
@@walnutsss yes, because we do not discriminate only based on race, we discriminate also on nationality basis.
Also, inside one race there are a lot of varieties. British, finnish, russians, italians, germans, spanish, greeks, east europeans have all distinctive traits that make them recognizable. I know it might sound strange to an american, but we european can tell what country another "white man" comes from with an acceptable degree of precision.
*when I talk about discrimination I do not mean it seriously.
** on the other hands I recognize that racial policies have failed through the years and people from different countries and different cultures fail to live together. One culture has to prevail on that soil, and this makes it almost impossible to coexist.
@@geraltdirivia8278 I am not American, I also live in Italy but I am african. I understand your point, since that’s something very common in africa too (discriminating each other even when we are the same race) People in my country normalize xenophobia way too much when it’s such a big issue, we have a lot of cultures and languages all in one country I guess that’s why.
bro why do italians hate the french so much for no reason lol the french got no beef with you
Where ever you are, don't be an asshole, that shall save you from a lot of problems.
Can't tell that to blacks raiding liquor stores in America. The government has their full support.
@@genghischan69 if criminals doesn't get any consequences. Racism might be rising up later
Even if you're not an asshole. Those assholes might come and give you some troubles anyway.
@@genghischan69 Your being a asshole, Saying "blacks" is generalizing every black person, which is obviously not true. But meh you keep living in delusion thinking every black person is robbing a liquor store, while your at it tell them to stop killing each other, and also tell the white people in Asia to stop killing each other, more love less hate will help the world, half the masses are already going to hell for hate in their hearts anyway.
@@genghischan69Bro.. you outta pocket. That shit was unnecessary fr, plus YOU are part of the racism problem, so what are YOU willing to do to change yourself huh
I'm algerian, a lot of people are saying that we're not africans just because we're not black, america is really special
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No many North Africans themselves say they are not Africans because they are not black. you don’t want to be associated with Africa. You rather be Arab.
Practically the same thing happens here in Europe, since everybody is white the first thing that comes to mind is nationality, language and ethnicity
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everybody? really? no blacks, Moodle easterns and asians in France, Germany, Spain, Uk, Portugal and other nations?
It's the same everywhere, except in 'new world' immigration multicultural countries, i.e. US and Canada. Ethnicity and nationality always come first.
@@dickiewongtk Yeah didn't think that way, good point.
"everybody is white"... Yeah about that
This perspective is the difference between being an African-American & a Black-American. Black-Americans don’t have 3 levels, we have 1.
Why is there even a discussion or debate between Africans and African Americans? We're not the same. Different genetics, different cultures, and different life experiences. We have to stop all this well you're beneath me because I'm x,y,z, etc. Who cares? There are thousands of ethnic groups in Africa, and different subgroups of Black Americans. Nobody shares identity, so why discuss it?
@@bohwe43 Bc it help bring perspective to the different aspects of the human experience. Helps give a sense of belonging & distinction. Being considerate of more aspects of LIFE is never a bad thing
@@lisimbachiokejahiyazid4114 Thank you for explaining this to me, I was thinking something totally different.
@@bohwe43 you’ve never met the whites who go fucking APESHIT for genetic mapping and ethnic make composition.
@@bohwe43 I agree on the different sub groups of black Americans!!
It remind me of Killmonger in Black Panther when he thought Wakanda had a responsibility to help all black people as if they were one happy family against the evil colonialists.
Sounds like he thought they were united but they weren't.. This is why Black Americans are seeing this
Black panther was by a white producer to spread falsehood and create more divide, we in Africa see every black person as African your denial doesn't count.
I've been screaming this for a long time. "THE CONCEPT OF RACE IS RACIST ITSELF!" Finally someone is getting to the heart! Thank you! 💜
I hope you're not a japanese saying this because it sounds hypocritical.
As a Swede, it would be similar if I meet another European.
Especially another Scandinavian, right? You get different opinions from Swedes on Norway and Denmark depending on how close to home they/you are.
Not really, because in Africa one country can have 20 different ethnic groups in the one country. Africans have fought tribal and ethnic wars for thousands of years. Long before they saw a white man. They enslaved each other and still do.
@@tubester4567 no they don’t stop with that B.S
Again another white man who believes the nonsense the media feed him.
Stupid
Yeh you see, problem is that you are white. As far as morons such as this bongo who talks about the problem of white supremacy is concerned there are no ethnic or cultural differences between Europeans, Americans and hell probably even Russians.
@@tubester4567 and thats spain, and there are other african countries that have less ethnic groups like island, is the same everywhere.
When everyone's the same skin color you start finding other reasons to hate eachother.
It doesn't have to be hate, but yea, I get it
facts
Big facts, never heard of black Americans committing mass genocide against anyone especially their neighbors. Happened all the time in Africa
@@904TallerTim look up Liberia then because there freed American slaves got there and forced their will on the native Liberian populace
@@904TallerTim Damn, wait will you find out about gangs n sht
I think we're all aware of this. The big difference is the trauma from the Atlantic Slave Trade, slavery and Jim Crow in the United States. White enslavers did not care about the language or ethnicity of Africans. They separated enslaved people from similar ethnic groups and punished them for speaking African languages. They didn't see or treat Africans as humans but chattel sent there to work and enrich their economy. The loss of languages, names, and certain cultural practices were not a choice made by Black people in the US. For Black Americans, white supremacy has been on our necks since we got here. We had to come together to survive. Trauma and the fight for survival saw those differences fall away, and new identities emerged. Present-day African nationalities did not exist until the end of the Berlin Conference and the creation of new nations post independence. A lot of ethnic groups and ethnic lines in African countries were created and solidified by Europeans during colonialism. In majority Black countries, it can appear that white supremacy is further away or non-existent. But we can see that the global economy is built to enrich Western/ white countries while depleting resources and destabilizing governments on the African continent. White supremacy loves when it can continue and stay invisible. I feel like many Africans and Caribbean people fall into the trap of being blind to their real enemy.
The only time I have truly felt like an American is when I went abroad.
Wow
yes, because abroad we classify people more based on where they come from, not their skin color. For me American is American, no matter your decent or what you look like, most and above all you are (US) American. You still experience discrimination, but usually based on your nationality.
@@petitechinoise581 I Agree, but even abroad specifically in Europe, being of African descent affected my experience. To make a long story short, discrimination happens.
US Passport gives you a privilege
I'm American and reading these comments, I really don't feel welcome anywhere. It's a sad existence, not welcome or accepted in the land you were born in and not welcome or accepted in the land that you've been told that you descend from. And no I am not playing the victim, this is just how I feel. It is what it is 🤷🏿♀️ a people with no homeland according to white Americans and Africans.
Same in Europe. Nationality. Sometimes divided, sometimes united. Americans are Americans regardless of ethnicity. I think the rest of the world is pretty aware how continents and countries around the world work, and why we are so diverse.
YESSS TELL THEM
Don’t be so sure, you’d be surprise how unaware the average American is but talk about “football” and the latest celebrity scandal and they’ll know everything
Bro just tried to explain facts and we have African Americans in the comments upset. It's like they are addicted to being triggered.
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@@UniverseSpirit it's not nuclear physics what he explained. You have to be a complete idiot not to get it.
@@UniverseSpirit ✊🏿
These guys have European emotions 😂😂😂😂😂..so emotional
@@UniverseSpirit nice sneak diss by the way
I'm a Nigerian and u explained it in the best way possible 👍👏
Thank you!
I can confirm 👍. I had no clue until I met many Africans in college. My wife and I have become close friends with many of them, and most are Nigerian. Yoruba and Igbo comes up almost immediately in conversations between them and when we meet other Africans. "Black in America" is like the secondary conversation. My wife loves the music and dance culture so much that she has become adept at identifying the ethnic differences. She'll walk up to someone that she believes sounds a certain way by mannerisms and talking and guess the correct ethnic group most of the time when asking someone she met. I still don't know if it's a lucky guess or not. Lol. I just know the food and music have made a solid place in my heart.
Aye, I got two Yorubas in my house, but they identify as Nigerian because no one in Europe knows what Yoruba means.
I agree 100%.
I'm a white European but I don't identity as white first.
I identify as French, as Provençal (my region), as Mediterranean from my mother and as Italian and Piedmontese (region) from my father.
When you meet people, you ask where they come from, country, region, city.
US people simplified things as they lost their roots identities
"Whiteness" is an interesting topic. Some will argue the concept is relatively new. And that it isn't based in biology but ideology.
Like, at one time Irish and Greeks and Jews weren't accepted under the umbrella term of "white". At least in the US. However, that changed over time with assimilation and other factors. As ideologies changed or evolved.
Imo, the US panned out the way it did because the country is younger than the concept of race itself. There's not thousands of years of culture and customs that are completely removed from that concept. Race has always been one of if not the most divisive topics in the country since its conception.
Depends who you are talking to and how they are talking to you or how old they are to you and where you are when your having conversation because if they are elders asking you where you are from, it's again different.
@Nateolison well not to mention when people got to America they were encouraged to leave their nationality at the door and adopt the metling culture here thus an African no longer is African nor is a Frank no longer French when they assimilate into the country. Leaving you with white and black "ethnicities" tied to the American national.
The government pushes it in the USA.
For Jamaicans your nationality is your primary identifier.
Maybe once you leave the island, but Jamaicans surely aren’t kumbaya on the island. It’s a racial caste and the political violence is off the charts.
@@isaack2084 Its 90% black. Most Jamaicans don't deal with a race other than black or mixed Indians who are also black. There is no racial Caste system because black people are in all class found in Jamaica. Your talking about economical class structure which is in every country.
@Isaac K you're talking out your ass with this one.
@@kinglace3782 I live on the island. what caste system are you talking about. everyone have an opportunity to achieve something and move from one class to the next. you are responsible for your own success and your skin complexion doesn't determine it, your mindset does.
@oshene scott you tagged the wrong guy bruv XD and I am Jamaican myself from St. Elizabeth.
Remove the term “black African”.. it’s just “African”.
We have white Africans 😂
Most people do not know the differences between Race, Nationality or Ethnicity.
America has its own way of classifying ethnicity that is informed by its history. One of the problems is that since the US is the dominant military and economic power as of 2023, we think the rest of the world should think about every single thing the way we do…which really makes no sense
Yuppp
That's why the rest of the world is laughing at ya'll.
@@oomz1975 I 100% agree with you. I was providing a critique of my own country
This makes sense. It's the same in most countries/regions where the population is of homogenous skin color. This is the case in Europe, India, Thailand, China, etc. too where your last name and place of origin are big determiners of your social status
sadly is not the same in all the americas. Slavery and colonization steal a lot of their cultural heritage and let them only with the skin colour as a identification.
even so, Latin america is more chill in this point because of the miscegenation that happening since iberians came here...
that is different from USA were segregation was the norm.
😭❤️🩹🌍 Sadly In retrospect Africans and Native Americans were easily defeated by Europeans which is a lot smaller because of the differential tribes. Some fought the French and some helped the French. Some fought the Portuguese and some helped the Portuguese. If everyone in Africa identified as Black 1st or African first or even Nigerian first world history would change over night
Thank you...this makes sense and now my 9ja Igbo hubby and I have another topic for discussion.
Glad it was helpful!
As a black American who has discussed this topic many times, watched various videos and viewed posts, I've concluded that we need to stop talking about it. Africans and Black Americans aren't the same. Black Americans are genetically a multiracial group. Africans are 100% African. Black American African identity has been lost for 500 years. We see things differently from each other, and that's fine. We need to stop having these discussions because it leads to who's superior and who's not. It's ridiculous. Let's accept our differences and move on with our lives. Black Americans can't define Africa, and Africans like Africans can't describe black Americans and our experience in this the U.S. All these diaspora wars, calling each other unkind names, fighting to be the acceptable negro to white society, enough already, just live life.
Imagine if both sides united😮… I think that’s how it was back in Atlantis
Morals is what separates ppl generally speaking. Morality has nothing to do with ethnicity.
But can define black American culture. Infact yall don't shut up about it lmao
😊..the only race that still discriminates it's self from those that look like them.keep dreaming!
You are lost
Damn right. I've been to Kenya twice. They talk about "those Cameroonian kids" living inside the same gated community. The politics is tribal, Kikuyu, Swahili and Masai. They all look different at a glance. Meanwhile in the US they talk about "the black community" and "black culture". I don't think those things exist.
Very true, Kenyan politics is very tribal, actually it's tribal based😂😂😂, no ideologies, just what tribe are you from?, Is your tribe cool with my tribe? If so, here's my vote😂😂😂
Why do you say that?
Nobody says ' those cameroonian kids', stop exaggerating
@@marygekonge5983 u can't eat ugali every day. Eat also nyama, mboga, madafu, cookoo, mbuzi and pojo!
Yet & still Black American culture Exists, And we are black & proud
Great explanation!
A problem I see is that Black Americans want to normalize race as the primary identity for the rest of the diaspora.
Why not?look at what tribalism has done to this continent.
@@triplebeans4159 Every continent had to deal with tribalism. And after we were introduced to their concept of race, we still have tribalism.
@@RogueAutumn Every continent hasn't been damaged by tribalism like we've done to ourselves.Weve normalized tribalism more than others have normalized race as an identity.
@@triplebeans4159 Due to their own tribalism, the Europeans depleted the resources of their own continent so much that they started exploiting our continent. Then they invented the “negro race” to justify that exploitation.
@@triplebeans4159 Europe has been the most war ravaged continent. Read a book and find out. Why do you think hitler killed 6 million jews??
Im a black American, i must admit, calling us african is like calling a Japanese person chinese. We are not the same and dont want to be
Imagine if people put half as much energy into coming together as they do in finding ways to divide themselves.😢
That would be heaven
Our division is the product of centuries of intentional divide and conquer. Division only serves to benefit the capitalist class.
I wish that really happened🙂🙂😍😍!!
Just another card, black card, racist card, victim card, white supremacist card, and on and on.
First time i heard someone taalk about people coming here taking our jobs and houses it was about people moving from wolverhampton to Telford a journey of 20 miles and they were the same colour as the people thhey complained about
Well when someone ask me where I come from. I always start with "well you know when a man love's a women" lol.
I just tell them the name of the next 'bigger' town and then close or widen the circle, depending on how well they know the area
Good one
I'm going to say this to the motherland. AFRICA!! A HOUSE THAT'S DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF WILL NOT STAND!!!!!
Same with Moroccans. Americans dont understand that their are darker and lighter skinned Moroccans. But we dont distinguish eachother like that. We are all Moroccans.
After 400 years no black person is better than the other we all have problems that need to be addressed
Thank you donald
Facts. Same goes for whites, chines, Indians and Arabs.
Their's the real thing and a fake thing
As an African that has lived in the west and africa we really don’t have the same issues. In my opinion what blacks have to deal with in America is child’s play compared to what some Africans deal with
It’s literally not our fault
Race is a big identifier for Black Americans because most Black Americans, more specifically their ancestors, have lost their cultural identity through slavery. Their languages, traditions, and religions were beathen out of them and as children were torn away from their parents, the new-generational continuation of culture was also broken. In addition to the slavery, Black Americans have been otherized since the past three and a half hundred years, and so they developed a shared "Black" culture and identity.
Yes i was thinking also of course an Afrikan Amerikam cant identify by his Tribe as he doesnt even know from which Country he originally came. Just now where this Tests are available some Afrikan Amerikan are able to trace where they are from.
Okay then let them stop forcing other black people to identify as black.
@@susanneal6063 The tests can be problematic. They often show that someone has ancestry from several different African countries and often some European ancestry too. They might be fun to do, but they don't produce the specific tribal identity that might be hoped for.
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Then let them pick the African tribe and country they have the highest percentage of blood Link to simple.
@@tochukwuifeanacho3843 Again, it's not so simple. For instance, African Americans often discover that they are very mixed with very small percentages of DNA from many African nations.
What if the very highest single percentage a person has is 24% Nigerian. So first they have to ignore that they are actually 76% something else. Suppose they do ignore it and decide to identify as Nigerian, well which tribe are they going to join, and how do they choose? And does any tribe (who have already been separated from them by several hundred years of history, language, religion and other social and cultural differences) actually want them? Or will they just see them as a delusional foreigner?
Without the basic language and cultural background, the whole thing could quickly become very artificial. Sadly, 'belonging' is not a choice.
I stayed a few nights in Geneva Switzerland in a hostel and my roommate was a black man from Benin, Africa. One of the kindest and coolest guys I’ve ever met. He didn’t treat me like most black Americans do. As a white man it’s hard to explain to people but it’s like when I speak with most Americans who are black they aren’t mean at all but you can tell something feels a bit off like they don’t trust me 100% or they expect me to be a little racist out if the blue and are preparing for it. It’s just weird to me, but it’s true. When I hung out with this guy i never felt any of that. This guy was genuinely excited to get to know an American cause it was his dream to move here. He was so excited to learn about the different states and he was just so genuine. I think about that dude everyday and I hope his dreams come true and he gets to move here.
Here in Ireland my daughters boyfriend is originally from Nigeria and while we were doing a grocery shop he laughed at my bag and said in Nigeria theyre called 'Ghana must go' bags. Now I call them 'Ghana go home' bags I keep forgetting the real name 😂
I love that story The Ghana must go was based on the people from Ghana having to leave Nigeria. But yeah I call everything Ghana must go bags.
@@ReinaAfricana 😂
@@ReinaAfricanaeverything is not "Ghana must go bag" we in Nigeria are beginning to stop using that phrase and to many young ones it only mean a bag big enough to contain.
Yes! I am a mixed race American but grew up in Namibia. I was always identified as American. It didn’t matter that I was brown, I was obviously not African and therefor others identified me by my nationality. When I moved back to America as an adult it was really difficult because I was no longer identified as American and firmly placed in the Black category because of my skin and treated differently. It really shook my view of who and what I identified as.
Some of us are left in a limbo. As a Puerto Rican, racially I'm tri-racial from generations ago. Nationality is American. Ethnicity is Hispanic/Latino. But, the rest of my life was spent in the US mainland. I can't cook my people's food either (I only know some dishes), so i kinda cook whatever. I can't completely mix back w my people, nor can I completely mix w my adopted home. i basically am a foreigner to the both of them.
Agree with you totally 💯 Yes this is total fact and truth unfortunately 😕
Yea it’s crazy how the democrat party is moving us backwards in the racist department.
The difficulty you experienced in America with your new black identity is because as a mixed race and American in an African country, you enjoyed some privileges and adoration that ceased to exist the moment you entered the States. Psychologically, the pedestal on which you stood on the social strata in Africa is, suddenly, pulled off your "feet" and you find yourself at the bottom of the social strata in America.
I can understand why that would be painful for you.
You mean not namibian. You do have african in you
I’m Italian and I have the same feelings with Italian American they perceive me as buddy but I’m from the north of Italy and ALL what they know it’s from the south Italian culture that’s completely different ..
They are just American for me …
These are healthy determining factors of people groups that the West tries most ardently to destroy. As an African American rediscovering my roots I employ others to not allow the psychological paradigm of race to supersede historical and cultural identity.
I adore this man; he is brilliant, well-spoken, and explained clearly.
Very kind. Thank you!
And in the US, ethnicity doesn't really mean much. If I tell Europeans, "Oh yeah, I'm mostly German and Irish", they scold me and say "No, you're American."
Yes, because Americans are not culturally connected to the countries their ancestors came from. Europeans laugh at Americans saying they're this and that ethnicity and acting out a culture that is not theirs. Americans are chasing something they don't have, they've lost their ties to their whatever European culture they came from and are ethnically mixed, plus Americans are a far cry from any sort of European mentality (they don't think like the Irish, Brits, Portugese, Polaks, Greeks, etc.). When a foreign European makes my country their home, the new generations from that foreigner's family consider themselves of our culture, nationality, and if that foreigner had kids with one of our nationals, our ethnicity (if they don't segregate themselves into marrying into the same ethnicity, like it tends to happen with bigger minorities of my country). Some people tend to not keep track of their ancestry or not let it get in the way of them being a national by heart. A national hero of our country had German and Polish descendants parents, but he was a national of ours and lived for our country. He had no relation to his grandparents' countries and cultures, his father even changed his last name to sound like a native one.
If you live your everyday life as an American, then you're American, not this and that culture. If you're Polish, you're always Polish in your country, no matter if you have a german grandparent, because you live your day to day life as a Polish citizen, not as an ancestor of a German. There may be some of "my great grandparent/grandparent" was "X" or "Y", but they don't tend to chase that and try to emulate that ancestors' culture, as they've integrated into our society, and definitely don't make a math pizza explaining their ancestry like Americans do. And if there happens to be a big minority, then they'd be in full contact with that minority, so they might keep their language, culture, ethnicity going, but not if there's not that many or aren't centralized to one place.
Like, the region from where my father comes from has been under the Ottoman Empire's rule for some good 400 years in the past and has had a huge turkish and tatar populations into the early 1900's, it also has bulgars, ghiaurs, jews and other ethnicities, but even if I were to take a DNA test and find out I'm some less than 15% turkish/bulgarian through my paternal unknown line of my grandpa I've never had the chance to meet as he died long before I was born or my great grandma, that wouldn't change the fact that I am so detached from those cultures it would be, as americans call it, "cultural appropriation" to act out one of those cultures. Your ethnicity means nothing without culture and nationality attached to it.
honestly, American should be considered it's own ethnicity. the way some Americans go "oh i'm 1/16th Irish, so I'm going to hang pagan celtic shit all over my house" or "my great-great-grandmother was half-Cherokee" is just strange. i mean, it's much rarer to see a German person call themselves "Prussian" or "Bavarian", even though Germany as a unified nation is even younger than the USA lol
@@the-letter_s Just to chime in, I agree nobody will call themselves Prussian in Germany, but Bavarians do pride themselves in being Bavarian 😂 It's because Prussia doesn't exist anymore but the different regional identities do remain, so people will actually identify as Bavarian, Hessian, Frisian, Saxon, Swabian, Rhinelander etc. to differentiate themselves when they are among fellow Germans
@s It's weird to you. In America people celebrate their differences outside of race.
Americans are a breed of their own. America is that weird kid that you keep around in your friend group because he knows some shit, but his personality and attitude are shit. We keep america around as they pretty decent as fodder in war and you somehow got a lot of money even though your trillions in debt.
I am a Tanzanian living in America, and I want to say you are right. I have made the same observation in my book, "Chickens in the Bus: More Thoughts on Cultural Differences."
👏🏿Congrats sir!
Mbona umekimbia nchi yako?
Wow Mbele is also a surname in Zulu
Africans are free ..❤ it starts from the mind ..in the love of Africa
Great explanation and insight into why a lot of continental Africans have a hard time grasping the notion of Race in the West.
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I think we are making things too complicated here in the comments whereas it's actually pretty basic. As a black american, I worked with a sister who was from Kenya. As an executive I held a mentoring discussing with some younger people and asked this sister to speak. She spoke exactly to this! When in Africa, she never considered much about her color/being black. But once she left the continent, that understanding was forced on her by those she interacted with and media she encountered. Whites looked at her as just black period. So its the environment we grow up with, as the narrator is stating, white supremacy ignores your cultural or ethnic background, just your race. No one is better or lesser, different environments we have to navigate in, that's all.
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U get it...I don't understand why it's hard for some people to get what the guy in video is saying.its not a narrative of "I'm better than thou"...it's just these differences.some people wanna be triggered I guess
@@aeafilmsuk the Ancient Egyptians called themselves black tho, kemet means land of the blacks
@@Angel05433 yet they fought the nubians and even sold them to greeks. they didn't remember they where all black did they?
@@Chigo-nr8jg where is proof that they sold nubians too greeks I need too read up on this
Skin colour doesn't matter. Character is the ultimate factor in judging another and embracing each other's cultural differences and what makes us unique to one and other
Well that's all good in theory but in real life you are judged and you judge others based on appearance of social status, aethetics, and how you carry your self. To say otherwise is disinginuous.
Not all cultures are equal.
@@Xentradi97those all fall under character in some degree
@@GoatDust You cant judge a character based on appearance. U have to take time to get to know that person to find out who they really are.
Then why y'all get mad when you see more POC in entertainment and claim a certain someone is
being "replaced"?
Weird I guess you DONT judge character as you should.
A tiresome argument; "JudGe ChArCtEr!"
Ok let's do it...
"Here's the new Tinker Bell actor for the movie"
"Oh my god they changed her! why!?"
What do you mean changed her?
As in her look?
Tinker Bell's identity and character isn't defined as
"white skin blonde"
It's just "fairy"
and it's not boy or girl, it's magical creature which we don't even know if they have sex or genders...
"but they look like girls, so they're girls!"
But we don't define or judge things by how they look remember, we judge character.
So if she doesn't act like a human girl, because it's not, she's not any of those then.
But it's weird that this is a problem on a live action version of a cartoon...
It's quite silly and a self report, a confession, that no, these people don't "judge character" and most certainly only judge immediately based on looks on the first encounter...and if you try to point that out, they get mad...
Look at that ragged person sleeping on the sidewalk, judged...
Look at that person in the fancy car and suit; Judged...
It's human nature, just make sure your judgements aren't uneducated sexist racist stereotypes and you'll be fine..
Get to know people, and even after that, you don't get to judge them, respect goes a long way.
I was born in Brooklyn and have lived and worked in environments with global populations throughout my whole life. I can never get enough of what this guy is talking about. How people interact and identify with themselves and others can be an incredibly nuanced topic depending on a wide array of factors. Thank you for your post.
As it African myself, we don't see race as much, but in certain places, there are some racist issues that need to be solved, like, for example, how there is in all white town in South Africa, of all places.
Africa has the highest genetic diversity among all continents. Which means a Chinese is closer to a European, than a Nigerian is to a Kenyan.
A Caucasian American maybe more genetically related to a European Caucasian than two African Village mates. The law was written in our hearts
Lmao, not even close. China and Europe, despite being beside each other, aren't "closer" at all.
@@SSD_Penumbra Africa has the highest genetic diversity of humans in earth. While most humans outside of Africa just stem from 3 or 4 founder populations that moved out, hence inbred to an extent. Africa was the hotspot from where they moved out.
You can see that for yourself, we got the Nilotes the tallest race on earth, the Pygmies the shortest. We got Khoi san bushmen, with orange skin(not black). In Kenya, the Masai look nothing like the Kikuyu.
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@@PaulAllen6304 not really. They all have the same bone structures called the negroid structure (and yes that is the official name of their bone structure) whites and Indians are caucazoids while East Asians, native Americans, and pure Latin Americans are mongoloids. The more diversity also doesn’t mean the genetic differences are as large, rather there are just a lot of different similarish groups.
I have never heard anybody explain this identity dynamic within African society as well as this brother well done.
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That’s why I do not identify as African, never in my entire life. I was born in the West Indies even though my dad mom is from East India and America. I grew us as native of that island. Everyone are natives of whatever island they were born on. So we have roots of our ancestry.
@@ernestinejohnson9022 listen dear brother, you may not be nationally or culturally African, but your DNA 🧬 Your ancestral Roots 🌳🎋🌲 are undoubtedly in Africa!
To forsake that is risk eternal doom!
Do not forget the struggle the likes of the Great Marcus Garvey went through to re-establish a linkage back to the mother continent that was sabotaged by guess who?
Our Colonizers and Enslavers, we're in the same battle, we're just fighting in different battlegrounds.
We Acknowledge the difference, but we should look at the bigger picture that's how we end this long unending nightmare, because at the end of the day we all come from from the same place 🌍 Remember that.
Peace to you family. 🙏🏾☝🏾one ❤️ love
@@ernestinejohnson9022 that's not how it works and who calls west indies Africans ?
Same in Europe. 🤷♀️ America is a nation of mostly immigrants of some form or another so it works different.
I love my Nigerian bloodline
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My Mother and her family are from Northern Kano, Nigeria. I am proud man to have Hausa Blood 🩸. I was raised in the USA 🇺🇸
Personally, I think "American Black" should be seen as a separate and unique ethnic group, not a race. In America, "Blacks" have hundreds of years of shared history, culture and experiences. A black African immigrating to America shares none of those things, and really is an "African-American", not Black.
Black Americans (also named African Americans) are a ethic group. The problem is because America see race as more important than ethnicity and culture, black people who migrate from Africa, The Caribbean & Latin America countries and their kids born in America who are their own ethnicities and cultures are just labeled as black American or African America like if all black people in America are monolithic (all the same).
All groups of people will always find ways to be horrible to eachother based on difference.
It literally is that simple, people who’s goal it is to completely eradicate racism/sexism or any other -ism don’t realise the scale & scope of the task they’ve assumed
But cultural differencies do not immediately mean to be horrible to each other, people can just accept each others culture
@@justadummy8076 The biggest solution is just don't create a multi cultural society, Japanese ppl stay in Japan, Egyptians stay in Egypt, etc. Racism is a modern problem because of immigration and news/media
People can be the same and still be horrible to each other. People recognize that others have different backgrounds depending on where they grew up. Nothing is inherently wrong with that. That’s just logical thinking
That’s why this western forced idea of “pan Africanist” is so freaking stupid. Black Americans don’t realize how much Africans hate each other. And they especially don’t realize how much Africans hate black americans
This was great. Good job my friend the ony thing I would add is most black people in America have been stripped of name, language and culture. In return we received religion, and a new name to identify with; African American
That’s why, as a white European, I find it so toxic when « black activists » try to create racism against whites, both groups made a caricature
This video reflects what I've been thinking for a while. Identity goes from narrow to wide. My identity starts with me, my name, and my personal history. These will tell you much more than what my ethnicity, nationality, or race will tell you.
but it doesnt help much in identifying you out of a group if the person doesnt know you and thats what this is about…
Look at all my black American brothers and sisters getting defensive about what our brother from Africa is speaking in!!! We as black Americans have to understand that identifying as a color ( Which All don't fit the label) don't mean anything in Majority of the World! It's just a color! We have a origin and come from a Nation/s that so happens to be black skin ppls, So calling yourself black and allowing others to label you as so is confusing to other black ppl around the world. He didn't disrespect black Americans, He really speaking truth to Us! That's why I stress the importance of finding Your individual lineage,Pray, Research, Give DNA tests a chance and maybe You'll find what Nation/ethnicity You/we belong too. Because how it's going now , It's mass confusion, resentment etc amongst black ppl worldwide while WS take a break! Find your roots black Americans! Your origin/Nation! No more crayon color labels! I love y'all! Peace
Well said!!
How can we find our roots thru DNA testing when we are our own melting pot of so many tribes in west/ central Africa?
DNA cannot provide us with that variety of information so where would we even start? Do we just study tribes like Yoruba,Mandinka,Wolof,Igbo,Ogun,or Ashanti and just pick one like a single from a full deck of cards? I mean I understand what your saying but you also have to understand that all that information on who we are, or were, was taken from us so we're just trying to restore that history back.
Being Black is all we have and that's why we use it.
@@CushiteChristian Being black is all we wanna use as well as Falling on our own understanding! I used to African ancestry DNA that deals with tribes not just country. Expensive but worth it to me! Me personally, I refuse to just be a color Especially when I'm not actually black skinned! I've always had a connection with Igbo ppl but once African Ancestry made that connection, I now understand that bond. We can believe it or not it's up to the individual, I just refuse to identify as a crayon color, Some incorrect sighting mentioned by bias whites, Nor what 1 grandparent so called said!
@@CushiteChristian I also agree with you on black Americans being a mixed multitude of ppls! We are not All the same ppls by a long shot! Melinated YES! Same lineage NO! Just look at How Black Americans are in Each state!? All very Different Phenotypes, Skin tones, Accents, Traditions etc. That's why I stress finding your own individual roots, cuz thinking the next negro (black American) is your kin really isn't. That's why you get different Mentalities, Personalities, Traits, etc when dealing with different negros! Peace
Separate is separate n they are as we are some over there see it but just as here they have some who don't actually see and wont
it's like neighborhood, city, and state for us!
That’s what happens when you’re stripped of your NAMES and CULTURE…🤷🏽♀️
Call yourself America you built the country, but you guys like to make everything difficult on yourselfs
Well live in American culture, because whi tf haven't been in slavery or got they azz conquered and sold. And you telling me you don't know anyone Predominantly European ethnic frim an actual relationship and if so just accept all your ethnicities and be American. Blk is already a racist anglo Saxon view, where if you look like Mariah Carey or darker you blk. The pan African and European stuff weird. The most i say is blk and check the African American/blk, for the blk part being their 😅, I just say it as a stupid label through Americans race view
Who was stripped?
@@postalcode63 Those hoo came as slaves yoo plank.
Tribalism is the biggest problem in Africa. Nearly every election in Africa is always affected by tribal clashes. Don't wish for these divisions in the US. It will end badly.
It's not possible in the US since people aren't aware of their heritage anyways
@@TheAnthraxBiology Yet all kind of hatemongers are trying to create division based on race, gender or other nonessential feature. They don't allow you to identify simply as an "American" because that would undermine their agenda of hate.
We have a different kind of tribalism: Coastal America vs. Center America
@@lasagnasux4934, you're lucky you're dealing with only a few groups. In Africa, several countries have 100+ tribes. And that's not even counting the clans within each tribe. When someone wins an election to be president, he ends up appointing at least one person from as many tribes as possible to be ministers in government. Nothing gets done and the government becomes too big. Most Americans have no idea how Africa operates, that's why many were shocked when Trump criticized Africa. We have major problems.
@Unlearn Business fair enough. The extent of my knowledge of African politics is Egypt from the 60s on, Hutus and Tutsis, and the disaster that was President Mugabe of Zimbabwe.
The stupid thing about being black is: When you tell other black people that you are indigenous and that your ancestors were not brought in on slave ships, they pull out that "everybody originated from Africa" crap out their asses.
If you think you're not from Africa then you're the biggest Flop ever. Every Black slave came from Africa. You gonna say you originated from Australia son I guess.
Their right doe u came from Africa mate can’t deny that how do u know u where not brought on slave ship can you trace your linage ?
Indigenous to what, there are no native white Americans as well if that will help, don't be offended when your roots are linked to Africa, you are an American and that's all that matters.
@@loyaltyoverlove9374 They're descendants of African Slaves.
Even your ancestors are not brought in on slave ships doesn't matter coz your ancestors were slave, indigenous people were slave and they were tortured and killed too by Europeans, not only africans were the victims but indigenous too
Spot on. I never saw myself as a black girl until I moved to UK. And here, I feel a kinship towards every Afro-Carribean that I meet. I smile and nod and say hi when I pass any on the street.
Same in the Dominican Republic we know we part African and Americans want us to say “ we black “ NO were Dominican a mixed breed
I was in Africa for a year teaching and training, no one gave AF about race there. They thought it was stupid to even think about it. Sure they called me mazungu, but no one acted like they cared at all we had different skin tones. And TBH, if I could find a good job in Kampala, Jinja, Naivasha, or Nairobi, I'd probably take it.
I am Zambian, we call people who are of European decent "muzungu" not to be racist, but to be descriptive. Muzungu means white person in most east African languages.
@@chilubachitalu4541 I agree. In South Africa we call them Mlungu in Zulu or Lekgowa in Sesotho. They are just descriptive terms
In Uganda there is a away they are accommodative to any race as a Ugandan we are simple humble people but wat is saying is true ethnicity is huge
in Tanzania we call Mzungu
Mazungu would be the plural term of saying white people. But yes we don't give a damn about race we just want to get through the day and have the work done. And we treat everyone who's foreign with great hospitality. We certainly don't think people who weren't there during colonisation should die for their ancestors idiocy as much as our tribal chiefs need to held accountable in selling people for slavery.
Spot on - people need to belong to a group. Race it’s not a primary identification, its arbitrary. Otherwise people use language, region, religion, dialect, politics or even a soccer team to create “us vs. them”
I think this is also true for white people in Africa, because people will identify first with their culture or usually their language before their race, even though we are a minority group
Yes genius because in America we're Americans that was the whole idea.
They exist BET that is a mistake
Not everyone was American so no
In my kenyan kikuyu, we identify first as a clan ,accent, tribe, regional alliance( gema) kenyan, then black. The social fabrics keep us moving.
Funny how people don't instantly understand this considering there would be no question that someone named Heinrich was say German while someone named Ivan was say Russian
The thing is that Heinrich and Timothy would get together and feel a bond in the presence of Mbutu or Tunde, yet Tunde and Mbutu wouldn’t feel that bond if they where in the company of Timothy. There is a deep understanding between whites regardless of tribe or culture that black people simply lack.
@@PermanentWater You're wrong. Tell this to Balkan states. They will definitely not feel that bond.
I'm Polish and I saw more Polish people feeling the bond with Haitians (because of their history and there were some Polish immigrants in Haiti) than with Russians who are a Slavic nation like we are.
I saw many Poles feel the bond with the Polish descendants who currently have different nationality or with the nations who kept fighting for their independence than with many European nations like British, Germans, Russians...
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A lot of that trust is super recent and had to be built with a lot of effort. It didn't just naturally occur.
@@recordofragnarokisapurehyp6660 I purposely avoided the name Ivan and chose Timothy instead because I think that this is primarily a Western European thing. More specifically a north-western European thing. Religion might have a bit to do with it, I'm not sure. I recall watching a documentary about a war between French and English in America about 2/3 hundred years ago. The Native Indians had just helped the English defeat the French but the Indians were extremely puzzled and betrayed when after the French surrendered the English commanders had a friendly dinner with the French commanders.
There is an understanding between these europeans that befuddles outsiders. (also they had a chivalry code thing going way. back to the medieval days that is very typically European.)
@@Alias_Anybody I can think of examples of it in history from 200 years ago and more. I think it might have a lot to do with Chivalric codes etc. It's mostly amongst those of Germanic descent, ie the Angles, Saxons, Franks, Lombards etc etc .....
I was right there with you until you mentioned “White Supremacy”
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It's also that way in Europe (and pretty much everywhere else). People from Iceland and people from Albania are both white but they have massively different cultures to the point that lumping them both into the "white culture" category doesn't make sense.
We do the same thing within Italy: first province, then region and in the end nationality...
Sometimes have ethnicity. For example i m breton first and french in.second.
still makes way more sense than grouping everyone of the same colour into a literal colour category and expecting it to say everything about their character