Pro gun fit - Smokin' Targets with Ben Husthwaite
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- Where do you put your gun stock on your shoulder? Top Shot Ben Husthwaite explains the mysteries of gun fit, how fitting the shotgun to your shoulder properly can help you achieve medal success in clayshooting and raise your game on the pigeons, pheasants and grouse.
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I have watched the video and checked the balance on my Beretta. I added extended chokes of steel. The gun was front heavy. Never considered balance until Ben discussed it. I added some weight in the stock. Cutting through the wad is a neat trick but I wasn’t brave enough for that. I used coins instead. I always learn details to improve my shooting and knowledge. Thanks to Ben, Fieldsports and Gamebore for the videos. Good luck to Alfie at future events. Jim, Georgia, USA.
Brilliant fitting. I love Ben’s straight talking and humour. Anyone fitted by him will have their gun spot on.
Well done sir. I appreciated the weight distribution explanation and the cut shell and tissue trick.
the best gun fit video i've seen ... and having experienced the results of Ben's coaching and gun fit first hand, i can confirm he is the best at what he does...
After mediocre scores for a year, I had my gun fitted and then my scores jumped immediately. This video and the last one about mental prep before the shot have been amazing. Looking forward to the next one in the series, and any future ones! Thanks FSC and Ben
absolutely brilliant and so simple to follow,i have a 9 year old son who is mad on clay shooting and he watches all your films.we can now fit his 20 bore even better and he can dust more clays,i hope.many thanks 👍👍👍.
Outstanding video, Ben! Doing away with the pattern plate and looking for the results of the fit on two target presentations with 20 shots is brilliant. You present a very clear and logical method here, not to mention the stock weight innovation!
Very comprehensive explanation of fitting and balancing the gun.
Interesting and thoughtful tips.
👍✌
Great video Ben and amazing tip for the makeshift stock weight. Can't wait for the others.
ben is so bloody knowledgeable , i wish the industry was like this.
Never thought about the balance, I now have 4 x 32g heads in the stock and the gun balance feels great. Cheers BH.
Bet the felt recoil seems reduced too.
Ben, many, many thanks. Easy and straight to the point. 👍
Best advice I have seen on a gunfitting. Excellent video.
I must have watch this video about 10 times. Just a bunch of good information. Thx Ben
I love how you teach and keep trap, skeet and hunting alive
Watched this last week, pulled out my Browning, and found it was front heavy. Took it to the gunsmith, he added a heavy recoil reducer into the stock and it balanced nicely. Shot 75 targets today to test it. It shoots amazingly and feels like a different gun!
Ben fitted my gun, scores went up straight away. Only guy I'd trust to fit my gun
Arrr... Ben didn't fit my gun, maybe thats why I'm no good? :O
Good job ! very easy to follow.
My 2nd time watching Ben at work and it's very interesting I shot today using Ben's knowledge my score went up a little bit.
One Again Ben Is The Man 😀😎👍🏼 Excellent Tips !!! I’m Always Learning Something New 😀 Thanks Ben 👍🏼
This was a great presentation. Thank you.
Very interesting. I live in New Zealand. I got measured and fitted at a shooting school when I was in the UK a couple of years ago and I then tried to duplicate those measurements on my own gun. But one thing I had not considered was balance. I have just added 56gms to the stock of my Miroku MK38 Trap with 32" barrels and it is now has neutral balance. I checked my Miroku MK10 Sporter with 30" barrels and its balance was ok.
Super video! I love shotgunning!
Just an outstanding video!
Always taught to close the gun with barrels pointing down and action to barrels so that if the cartridge goes off the shot hits the ground and does not go into the air. I know you can argue that when clay shooting you are only loaded on the stand. The other thing is that the young man shouldered the gun then put his head to the stock, this is ok for gun up clay shooting but not for instinctive shotgun shooting. Each to their own. Some good tips from Ben.
Hello Ben, all gun fit videos I see always show the shooter mounting and crushing head onto comb at the last split second which will drop the eye below, or lower in relation to the rib. When shooting a target and mounting quickly to it, this head squash won't be done naturally, hence shooting higher. I am not criticising in any way, as I am a big fan of your shooting ability, but why not get the dry mount upto the cheek while the head.remains in a natural still position ?
I believe you can make alot of guns fit to some degree with an unnatural dry mount and wondered why you let the head crunch go here ?
Again, just a genuine observation and not at all a criticism.
Great shotgun fitment video!
Telling you how long your arm is....hilarious 😂 cracks me up.
Ben’s fitted my gun a couple of times exactly how he’s described and then some, even the smallest of adjustments makes a big difference. Worth every effort as the feel and comfort of the gun is transformed. No comparison to the salesman squinting down the barrel at you. You genuinely won’t appreciate it until you’ve experienced it.
So how did you determine the correct length of pull? You lengthened it but didn't explain how you came to what conclusion. Thanks.
I did think other than telling people they cant teach people you are a wonderful man and i learnt a lot from your fitting section i fit mine but not as well but it shoots where i look mostly
Great video Ben !!
Brilliant tutorial!
Ol Ben knows his onions. Not too bad at shooting as well
Great video Ben. Hope you’ll have enough time to fit my gun on the 18th of June. 🤞🏼
Great video!
Nice work Ben from Down Under.
Great Video
As usual a Great informative Video by the Master, one thing if your right handed with left eye dominance do these changes reflect that issue or do you need further changes on the sight picture down the rib?
really good explanation sir.. i wish that you be in my country im sure i call you out for helping me out
Wonderful video!!!!
Be great to meet Ben at the Uk World Fitasc, guess you'll be there.I enjoy all the videos and I am sure they have improved my approach to sporting.
Will definitely use this to tweak the fit of my pro sport
Excellent
Wait…. Are you the gent I took some fitting advice from yesterday down at Mendip? 😵💫
If it was, then a simple nose turn took a gun from ‘this isn’t for you’ to ‘down the barrel’!! God mode enabled! Thankyou so much for a simple tip!
If it wasn’t you then shame on me, but great video!
Thank U
you spend serious money on a gun, spend a small few quid on a fit with this man. From experience it makes a HUGE difference.
For the incomer at 30 yards and the 16 yard trap shot, do you use full choke? I am wondering if a left/right error might be covered up by the width of the pattern of a cylinder choke.
Awesome stuff. I picked up some very useful stuff from this video,thank you.
I neeeeed a gun.
Sorry, because this isn't on-topic, but I've been watching a few instructional videos and reviews, including some that really get into a gun's guts, but I have not yet seen lock times addressed. Do all under and overs generally have the same lock time between top and bottom barrels? Given that successful shotgunning has a lot to do with repeatability and consistency, I'd have thought lock times might be important (they certainly are in rifle shooting), and that it would be very important to have equal lock times. I'm guessing that side by sides would be easier to design in this regard than superimposed guns.
Would love Ben to fit my Browning, but being in central NJ (USA).... REALLY good video. Interesting and informative. THANK YOU, CHEERS, and HAPPY Thanksgiving to all.
Thanks. Happy Thanksgiving to you. / Charlie
What did he use to extend the recoil pad?
Great gun fit overview. The only unprecise part was the "open elbow angle" determining the LOP. Open angle = everything more than 90 degrees? Or 90 to 120 degrees?
Excellent video Ben. Can I ask for some more information on length of the stock? You mention about adjusting length of the stock to alter the angle of the arm/elbow. Can you give some more information on this. Is there an ideal angle at the elbow or is it more down to comfort, or a combination of several factors? Cheers
Good shit brother
Ben knows his shit
Hi Ben, I've watched your videos and have a quick question. My gun used to smack me on my cheek and I raised the comb, altered the pitch and am happy with the picture I see. I still get a smack when shooting more than 25 or so driven targets but all other targets are no problem. My theory is my gun is a browning b525 and has a very similar shape stock to the pro sport in the video but its not adjustable, any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Make sure you aren't taking your head off the gun trying to peek at your target/clay. Mount to your cheek/face first, then also make sure when you mount your gun, that your recoil pad hits you square in the shoulder pocket, both bottom (heel) and top (toe) contact your shoulder at the exact same time. I have shot the 525 myself, and even with the gun being nearly an inch too short for me, I never had a bruised cheek from it, but my 525 has an adjustable comb. That being said, I have shot a cheaper Franchi O/U and a cheap Stoeger auto that beat the crap out of me. The Franchi because it had a Graco adjustable pad set too low for me, and the Stoeger I needed to put a different shim in, in order to keep my head on the gun and to stop looking over the receiver and peeking. Best of luck. Stay accurate.
I really enjoy your videos. I am a new coming into sporting clays. It will be a learning experience. Is shooting in club setting or in competition. Not sure were to start. Just been using an hand thrower by myself in my back yard. Could you please give a little insight on this thanks.
There will be a clay club or a gun shop which will know about a clay club near you. I am sure they will welcome you for a practice session. / Charlie
I would ask: Hinge pin location is not consistent with different action type/designs (K80 vs Superposed for example). Wouldn’t it be better to refer to inches forward of the trigger?
Between hands
Great video as usual . One thing I would like to ask is do you show your students how to mount the gun as I noticed that the student in this video was dipping his head on to the stock once into his shoulder could this not bring other problems in with a consistent gun mount ?
Clay Buster long neck high cheek bones make for a very different style needed .. google Cory Kruse in the USA ... as a instructor I need to adapt what I do to all students
Having an awesome time trying to release my two grand to a retailer for a Mk70 lefthand. No one wants my money enough, hahaha! My shitty timing of course - Covid/ going into Winter etc etc - but I've only recently got the inclination to get back shooting again after many years away from it, and now that I have, I can't find a Miroku Mk70 to buy.
Now, the vision in my right eye has never been flash, so I'm forced to shoot left-handed, which has meant a lifetime of frustration with rifles and shotties. Left-hand rifles only available in a limited range of calibres and usually a hundy or more more expensive. Shotguns (where I live) always cast off, or straight (still no use to me). I bought a little SKB Model 100 around 36 years ago. It was straight stocked right hander and didn't fit me, but the only recourse I had (where I live) was to buy the thing and 'adjust the stock' with some sandpaper etc. Not pretty but I got it to where I could at least hit stuff. Trouble is they outlawed lead around water in 2006 so I retired that gun and it's been in the safe ever since, the poor, ugly little thing. I couldn't afford a replacement so the vegans had a bit of a win there (and if one appeared in front of me now and laughed, I punch them right in the face).
Now in my advancing years, I've got an inclination to have one last crack at the shotgun shooting and hunting that I enjoyed so much as a youngster - but I'm *beeped* if I'm going to buy another flipping right-hand gun! I will have a lefty, or if the trade keeps thumbing their collective nose at my unwanted affliction I'll just put my thousands (and all the following ones I'd spend on shot, powder and primers etc) back in my pocket and carry on to the end as a pissed-off non-shooter.
I'm just a little tired of getting similar results at every turn. Okay, tguns are scarce anyway with the general situation, but it's the tone of the response that REALLY irks. Namely, right handed shooting retailers telling me that "only 25% of shooters are left handed. As if that is an excuse? Furthermore, I've been told "...and 90% of them shoot a right handed gun and just get on with it." Well, from my perspective, these guys don't have one grain of interest in matching a gun to their customers. If the guys I've been encountering are selling right handed guns to lefties they don't suit
, and are compelling them to buy using the type of rhetoric I'm hearing, then they all need a good boot up the arse - the buyers who don't have any balls, just as much as the sellers.
...I've just been to yet another gunshop where I'd been told by the staff they had a lefty. Drove all the way there but one look at it leaning on the rack and the cast-off slapped me in the eye so hard I winced. Duh....
I'd like to say to those folks: "Have a look at this video" - where an ACTUAL expert is ACTUALLY INTERESTED in getting the best out of his client/ protege, etc. someone who knows what the f* oops - dickens they're talking about.
Yeah, and I know about economies of scale, power in numbers etc- but I'd like to say "diddles to them - I may be part of a 25% minority, but what if 25% of your market share just suddenly evaporated and started buying 'Berettinsokus' off the other guys?" Bet that'd suddenly adjust the attitude. But it's only 25%...
Gun fit IS IMPORTANT. I know that. I am not a World Champ, or even close to being in the same dimension, but I am good at what I do, and what I do involves a lot of lateral and abstract thinking at times. It involves a lot of diagnostic thinking. It means I can look at things from multiple viewpoints. And even with my capacity for stupidity I know from many years of shooting shotguns, that a right-hander gives me shit results.
I will have a gun that sort of fits, or I will not have a gun.
Ben, come to Montana!
Is smoking targets legal in the uk?
Interesting how the styles vary here and there on fitting. It looks like this young man drops his head a lot (takes his head to the gun) when mounting. That causes his eye to go below the stock in the rear, as opposed to bringing the gun to his cheek (more head up). Ben didn't comment on this. Wondering if it is his opinion that your mount doesn't matter, as long as you can fit the gun to it and it's consistent? Different schools of thought here. I like to hear different opinions of good shooter/fitters'. More than one way to skin a cat. I have personally found I have a much better view of the area, shooting head up, which helps in sporting and live birds. It may not be so important in say Trap/Bunker, etc., where the clay comes out consistently from one location. Your thoughts Ben?
I don't know if anyone has asked but should the gun balance when empty or loaded ? When loaded there's 2 ounces more on the stock end. Should the measurements be done empty ? I'm confused
Being the chambers rest in the same general location as the hinge pin for a centered balance I have no change in balance loaded or empty with my CZ
Epic
Thanks Ben, now I have complete doubt in how many, if any of my guns actually fit me🙄 good excuse to buy a new one 😂
Where are these videos with Ben filmed at? Looks very much like my local
It's Sporting Targets in Bedfordshire. / Charlie
@@fieldsportstv I knew it!! Is he a regular there then?
Sure is.
Explains that all methods people use to determine correct length of pull are wrong and doesn’t say which one is correct :)
Great videos!! Will you be shooting in the United States soon?
Would like to have my gun fitted by Ben followed by some coaching. Unfortunately I live in Australia which makes it a bit difficult.
Same here but I am on other side of pond
I used fishing weights to balance my 28 ga.
Hi Ben, I notice in a lot of your tuition videos you and your students always load bottom barrel first. Is there a reason for this and do you teach shooting bottom barrel first? Great teaching aids,Cheers Lee.
In general the bottom barrel is loaded/shot first because with the bottom barrel being more in line with the stock and shooters body the recoil will feel slightly lighter and disturb the shooter less. The lower barrel is also generally choked more open for a closer first target/game.
Would never allow any student to mount as low as he does but I guess that is the difference between clays and game shooting.
ljp200 a lot of my students mount into the pocket including myself, plus I teach more game than most mate. Getting the gun into a comfortable and locking it down is integral to upper body movement which many don’t understand
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All true but I have two problems with that kind of mounting. Firstly you can see how he has to lower his head quite a bit to get down onto the gun, giving him a position where he has to stress his neck muscles to get into position and when people do this I tend to see that they place their head a bit differently every time. Optimally is having a stance where you can mount the gun without moving your head at all.
Secondly I would like to see how he shoots a bird right above his head, asking people to shoot a few birds straight up usually results in them realizing they either no longer has the gun mounted at all as the butt end has been angled parallel to the body or they have to physically have to move the gun higher on the shoulder to keep a good sight picture.
BTW are your students experienced shooters or the never held a gun before type ? I teach in regards to give people the required classes to even get a licence so all of my students are completely new to shooting.
ljp200 Alfie is one of the highest ranked shooters in the uk in his age range I’ve taught beginners and 23 world champions. Things are progressing mate. Take a look at the best in the world all mounts are similar
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I Don't regard sporting shooters as examples to how hunters should shoot for the same reasons I don't regard formula 1 as an example of how I should drive my car, sure there are things to learn form it but it's not a good idea to copy very much. This also shows when I see very good clay shooters go hunting, they are often only little better than the average.
What I have seen with mountings like these are never good, dropped guns, bruises, smacked cheeks, very high shots, continuously different mountings due to stressed necks and much more.
ljp200 you wouldn’t want to stand next to myself , Richard Faulds etc on a game day.. many many things have changed in the sport of clay shooting and game shooting. The changes I’m having to make to very good game shooters is substantial all with huge results. I guess there is no right and wrong and all opinions are valid. I look forward to your videos to see your style
How do I go about getting you to help me fit my gun Ben
Hi - you can get in touch with Ben via his website - www.benhusthwaite.co.uk/
Ben, what model gun do you shoot?
Ben shoots Krieghoffs - not sure which model. / Charlie
Ben shoots a K-80 super scroll. I've seen him with a couple variances in engraving of this model.
Iv been a insrutor for 45 years i taught entry levell people the first steps and school children i dont do it anymore most people know more than me clay shooting is fun not a elitest money thing thats what you just made it out to be of course ANYBODY with good teaching knowledge can pass it on this is what happens when money takes over my guns run from 150 to 700 and thats ot i dont want to be a champion nor do most people this stuff happens with hunting golf any sport you work for the rich i used to work for the common man or women
Watching this gives me zero confidence in any one else offering gun fits. He’s really thought about it hasn’t he.
Can someone repeat the way he' s going check in the field if the gun fits well ? He said he will shot straights, one trap shot at 16yards and ...? Didn'd get the other shot ! Was it an incomer at 30yards?
Yes. Incomer at 30 yards.
That all makes sense, but given ShotKam weighs more than 5 ounces, doesn’t that mean all the ShotKam videos have filmed with what is essentially a badly fitting gun?
Good point
Maybe not badly fitted but the balance will change a good amount. I'm JUST getting back into clay target shooting after a multi year layoff. One of the things that I remember as being an "AH HA" moment for me was when I stumbled into trying a few guns that balanced well for me and then on a different stand going to something that was just "off". Those times have stuck with me ever since.
What if you have a baikal do u put a small family car in the stock. 😂😂😂😂
If you have a Baikal you put it barrel down inside a trash can and walk away for best results.
😅😅😅😅😅😅🤙
Gun snobbery at its best.
I disagree that front barrel heavy is unshootable... i prefer it
Prefer is irrelevant. Comfort is irrelevant. Right or wrong win or lose
Great video, but it looks like you've not bothered to colour grade after filming, so it looks all washed out.
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i know him
no you don’t
Me - gets random $600 gun not fitted from sporting goods store = smoking targets. Other guys at the field - $2K -3K guns missing more than they hit.
why are so many of these shotgun videos British?
15 looks 25. Lay off the cigarettes LOL