The thing I appreciate a lot is how the dedicated Spider-Man game captures fluidity and nimbleness in his movement. Like the wall crawl at 4:13, it looks like Spidey has just finished full sprinting a 15 mile marathon.
@@Voldemorts.Nipple How does that make more sense? Spiderman is the fastest Marvel hero next to Quicksilver. Marvel's Cinematic Universe has absolutely destroyed the legacy of the comics.
@@Gunnplay as far as gameplay goes it's much more fun the full sprint but spiderman slides through the walls because there's no way his footsteps are that quick in the game
@@Voldemorts.Nipple I think I hear ya. Personally, I'd love something similar to the early Assassin's Creed games. The climbing was quick and also fun and detailed.
The problem to me isn’t so much the speed of the swing it’s the fact that he pauses mid air for a split second every time he grips a web which just makes it look choppy
It makes sense that the Avengers Spidey isn't as good as Insomniac's, as Avengers isn't just dedicated to a single person, but.... Come on, man! He shouldn't feel bulky and slow!
I just wish they wouldn't stop him so much when he shoots a web, if they let you keep your momentum it would be just right, of course this game can never ne as detailed as Insomniac's Spiderman, but holding him in the air for so long is obnoxious and unnecessary.
Honestly I think that a lot of the problems with Avengers’ game feel (not all, like 30-40%) comes from the camera movement. Notice how in Spider-Man PS4, the camera zooms in on Spidey when he’s falling while web slinging, to create a sense of momentum? And how the camera just halts in Avengers when Spidey vaults over an obstacle, so it feels like he’s really getting tripped up?
Avengers game looks kinda clean in its own way ngl but I wish they out that budget towards gotg game cuz everything in that game was great but so many environment bugs and the graphics on avengers are slightly smoother unless I forgot how they looked
avengers spider man feels like if a real guy randomly just became spider man. Like this is the most accurate portrayal of just some dude being spider man
Just so satisfying how Spider’s movements in his game so easily flow into eachother. You could wall crawl up a building, grapple to a light post, parkour your way up and over another roof and dash up a skyscraper with only a couple of breaks to your stride.
I think that webs sticking to the sky isn’t the biggest problem. The biggest problem is that every time you shoot the next web the game feels the need to slow you or freeze you into mid air all together. It’s not smooth at all. Same with the parkour stuff, every action you do slows you down it’s not fluid at all. Plus the wall crawling is slow and janky as well. The only thing that was okay at best in my opinion was the wall running
The biggest problem with Avengers Spider-Man besides cloud swinging is pacing. Everything he does is slow and I guarantee if they made his animations like 50% faster on everything he does it would play so much better. He acts all big and bulky and all his moves are slow but he's supposed to be a super quick reflex gymnastic kid. His wall run and crawl and just overall actions are far too slow for Spider-Man.
@@yka9976 Exclusives are good it brings more individuality to a console besides near identical specs and look but i still wish i could play halo or forza on my playstation
@@peoplehatealex3xten550 fr. I ended up getting a ps5 to play spider man and now i wish i could play halo on next gen. Plus ps now is TERRIBLE and i've only been playing the same couple of games.
I think part of the reason the swinging is so slow is because if they gave it the same amount of speed and momentum as the insom spidey you’d realize how much smaller the avengers map is
the fact that you can do all this in an Avengers game full of different characters to play with itself is a big thing for me. the developers done a great job. and remember you are comparing it with a Spiderman standalone game and in that game we all hated playing as mj and miles as humans
A few things I noticed on why the Avengers' just feels a bit off - The webswinging breaks his momentum on every thwip, should have just kept going on - A fall from greater than 10 feet has him creating a sizable crack in the pavement and a lot of dust. Peter is that heavy so it doesn't feel right - The wall crawling is just the tips of his toes and fingers yet the sound design makes it sound like he is slapping the wall pretty hard - Peter will do a quip long before the criminals could see him as combat is started when it's detected. Should be when it's started
The animations also look cut in, and doesn’t flow. It looks like it starts the animation when the command is put in, and it doesn’t actually flow into the movement.
This video really highlights the subtle differences that make a game feel good vs meh. The Avengers movements are essentially the same but feel disconnected and really kill the flow of his movements.
I know this is because they couldnt focus exclusively on spidey and they're not INSOMIA aka kings of fluid movement, but its very interesting. Nothing but love.
I think the biggest problem from what I’ve seen is that he’s to slow and clunky, Spider-Man’s swinging has always been about momentum that’s why people like insomniacs and treyarchs spiderman 2 swinging this just doesn’t look fun compared to that. That’s really all they needed to do
Cristal Dynamics made tomb raider, they know how to make a game. Blame square enix. They should give more time to development, that's really all they needed to do.
I think it's that slow so the other players can keep up and he doesn't get anywhere way faster than the rest. But it still sucks. He shouldn't have been added in the first place.
I mean I guess we can slightly appreciate it since this makes Spider-Man even more human compared to the insomniac game, except the physics is kind of lame in the avengers version it makes you feel like a sub par gymnast swinging around instead of spider man
One of the differences in the parkour which is minor but makes a huge difference is how in the avengers game, when you vault over something it slows you down a ton. Not only does this feel clunky, it makes you wanna do things like cool parkour LESS because of how slow and broken it feels. Imagine making a mechanic that’s supposed to improve gameplay and you make players not want to use it. Another thing is that, he literally drops like 6 feet and makes a dent in the ground and trips? Wtf? In PS4 spider-man, you get to look flashy without hindering any movement, you always move at generally the same speed and sometimes feel faster by vaulting over ledges or hopping past gaps, you feel rewarded just for running around which is why you want to do it more.
@@ritzie5693 Yeah, as much as i love swinging around the city there’s something so fun about jumping and running on rooftops, traversing parks and open areas, or narrow alleys
@@bolson42 Web swinging is my favourite thing. So I decided to do an entire playthrough where I omly swing when the gane forces me to and still had fun doing it lmfao.
@@bolson42 It's especially fun to do when the streets are full of people. When I swing, I do it really low, like just about the height of a street lamp. The skies are pretty boring and empty.
My head-canon is that in the Avenger's universe, this Peter Parker has asthma which explains why he's so slow and breathes so hard from the simplest things like running and wall crawling
Bet I have a better head cannon. Avengers Spider-Man is that one guy you save in Insomniac’s game that’s fighting crime pretending to be Spider-Man lol
In the context of a full game being centered around only him and his mechanics yes, he's not as fluid. But for a game build around multiple heroes his traversal is one of the best and fastest on par with other flying heroes in avengers. But I do understand how people feel in some cases.
I look at it like this, look at the Batman Arkham games when you can play as different characters. different combos, different weapons and all. With a few tweaks they could’ve replicated that a little. No excuse for this game being as bad as it is gameplay wise. If it can’t be perfect don’t release it. Game feels so unfinished.
Watching this just makes me appreciate how much effort and passion Insomniac put into making the perfect (two and soon to be three, to be precise) Spider Man games.
It's like they went back to the physics of the PS1 game for the Avengers Spider-Man. The way he swings it looks like a modernized version of the swinging in that PS1 game.
Did not play any of these games. But, just the fact that in spiderman game , spiderman have his web really stuck on something and not like in avenger to just air ... That's a win all day long
I'm ngl I like having a bash with characters like Cap and Panther, so I thought at the very least Spidey would be fun to fight with even if the swinging was bad. But DAMN. This is probably the worst Spidey I'ver ever used in a game. The PS2 games make this look awful.
As a dev myself, I think the main issue with avengers would have been that they had to create and account for all sorts of mechanics for different characters within the same system. If they only had to account for spiderman, they would have been able to make it better. Edit: I didn't realize that the game is just low quality in general 😅
As a dev as well, I actually find it really dope that they were able to do at least what they could with how many different characters and mechanics they have to push in this one system. They should have gave this game another year of development to really work out all the stuff.
How did square enix make great games like guardians of the galaxy tomb raider and kingdom hearts yet make spider man lame id rather play as black widow then him
After finally getting around to playing Marvel's Avengers myself, I personally don't think the web swinging is THAT bad in terms of the way if feels. Now don't get me wrong, if is awful compared to Insomniacs Spider-Man but considering what the developers were working with in terms of the already put in place systems/mechanics of Avenger's, they did a pretty good job. It definitely could have been a whole lot worse.
Another thought, Insomniac's Spider-Man was built with web swinging in mind. It was built for it. Marvel's Avengers already had a prefab that they had to work around due to Spider-Man probably being an afterthought very late into development. This being said, and the circumstances being in place, they did what they could and they executed it as best as they could.
I like that he is added to the game and I can appreciate that for a game that’s not based around him he’s actually pretty good in it. What I really don’t like about it though is that he literally swings on air like the web doesn’t attach to anything. If they just fixed the swinging movement a bit and made him actually swing on to a wall or a street lamp instead of him hitching himself on the air this would of just made it that 40% better personally.
But then if you go to any other biome or whatever their called your screwed they could just add the quinjet above him but also if there’s something to latch onto he does swing off of it
I mean that’s what happened in ultimate alliance and mobile games….. if it was a game about Spider-Man and it did that than sure that would be dumb but keep in mind for what the game is
@@robertmerin1080 yeah I know i get it it’s just that little bit of swinging onto a wall or a tree instead on to nothingness would of been quite a nice little touch
Marvels spiderman has amazing little features like when spiderman starts swinging around the city you hear the amazing orchestra start to kick in, its things like that, that make you realize how much effort they put in to the game
With the gasping for air too. I get it, having the character actually sound like they’re exerting themselves adds to realism, but also so much about the rest of the gameplay is noticeably off and he’s a damn superhero.
every time they show Marvel avenger's spider man i feel like "Here goes spider-goof" super powers- Choppy animation goofy web zips and the very cool swinging mechanic where every swing god himself holds his web to help him swing.
Exactly at 5:16 Avengers Spider-man said "Come on guys, you're just embarrassing yourselves" to the developers because of how they programmed Spider-man to swing😂
For me, the Spider-Man costume itself isn't bad. But the flying on the web seems to me a bit shoddy, and the combat system leaves a lot to be desired. Of course, I haven't played the DLC, but you can clearly see the sharp movements and maneuvers Spider-Man makes.
@Rice Cum he means how in the avengers game spider-man dosen't connect to anything like his web just goes straight up and attaches to the air. while in marvels spider-man you have to actually attach the web to a building or something to be able to swing
its as if theres a ceiling follows spider man constantly so he can use his web swings even if its an area devoid from tall buildings. Bits of webs everywhere
I understand that in the battlefield 2042 you can grapple off tornadoes. But there is absolutely no excuse for spiderman in a 2021 game to be swinging off clouds like back in the 2000 ps1 era. Why would you even apply this to your game. where is the love??
@@gektoast4968 @Gek Toast Fair enough response dude, It would be a unreasonable request to expect them to change maps and areas of the main game to fit in with a free DLC character. But I do feel they should have added in traversal zip lining or traversal jumps for those places with areas that are not suitable for spiderman to swing from that just so not to break immersion. Hell for me they could even assigned it to the same button and it swings or zip lines depending on the environmental surroundings. Just feels like a Spiderman cash cow with no love. Shame really because Spiderman could have helped the game bring back some or create a new audience. But this whole game just gives me $1/£1 store knock off vibes when it comes to Spidey and the Avengers.
is it just me or does the sound effects used for the Avengers game for the webs make the webs sound like they're really tense and tight? Like they're about to snap?
The fact that the Avengers version of spidey attaches the webs to the birds up in the sky... that's the only explanation I can find.... Edit: I also just realized that the Avengers version of spidey's web sounds like are made out of some kind of thick ass rubber lmao
As a dev I can tell how hard it would be to implement amazing spider man swinging mechanics that require physics with respect to building collision but that WOOOOOHOOO kills me
You can tell when a games developers actually care and when they don’t. The Spider-man PS4 web swinging feels so good because the developers understood the basic physics of momentum, inertia, and how a swing like this would feel irl. Not only that they also follow a lot of rules of animation as well, and call back to the comics and movies with him making iconic poses during his swings that you can clearly see. The swinging also changes slightly between environments and elevation, which makes sense if you’re swinging at an angle or from a shorter point than a skyscraper in central park. Meanwhile the avengers game… has none of that. The developers put no care into this game. Holy shit it looks horrible.
@@Crispyy69 and they couldn't make spiderman too fast. Then he would be moving at speeds that the game isn't designed around. Also the reason why his webs don't hit buildings but rather the sky i think is not because of lazyness, but so the player could swing regardless of surroundings.
@@erictheviking6424 i mean, they only made web swinging, meanwhile avengers needed to make way more than just one function. Since Fortnite only needed to make web swinging, they could focus more time and effort into that. Plus Fortnite is a game where adding a bunch of mobility to one thing won't hurt the game as much as adding insane mobility to one character in avengers would hurt that game.
Honestly, the only problem Marvel’s Avengers Spider-Man has, is how slow and heavy he feels, he flips around and stuff like Spider-Man does… but… it feels unnatural, it’s like throwing an anvil in the air and it behaves like paper, you know what I mean?
That web swing was so slow by the time the avengers version of spider man start swinging the insomniac version is already gone across the other side of the map
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Never in my life I would’ve thought that in a post Spider-Man PS4 world would I see Spider-Man attach his webs to the clouds to swing again.
Yea me neither, I thought we evolved
@@nickmiller9910 marvel avengers: “we’re evolving but backwards”
No shit man. There’s absolutely no excuse for how shit Spidey is in the Avengers game. Swinging from the fucking sky is some shit from 2002.
Like I’m shocked… could’ve swore the last time I saw that was the first Spiderman game on ps2
Spiderman had webs attaching to buildings since Spiderman 2 on the Playstation 2
Uncle Ben holding his webs in avengers 💪😮💨
Don't need physics when you got family
@@Spider-guy you said family ?
Dominic Torretto comes with the Dodge Charger ...
@@Bruce-Wayne_ *see* *you* *again* *plays*
@@SexLuthor * paul walker crashes *
@@quanlinglingdingle5969 bad joke
The thing I appreciate a lot is how the dedicated Spider-Man game captures fluidity and nimbleness in his movement. Like the wall crawl at 4:13, it looks like Spidey has just finished full sprinting a 15 mile marathon.
For me he just looks like he had dessert and got called to a mission a second after
But it makes more sense than full of sprint crawling
@@Voldemorts.Nipple How does that make more sense? Spiderman is the fastest Marvel hero next to Quicksilver. Marvel's Cinematic Universe has absolutely destroyed the legacy of the comics.
@@Gunnplay as far as gameplay goes it's much more fun the full sprint but spiderman slides through the walls because there's no way his footsteps are that quick in the game
@@Voldemorts.Nipple I think I hear ya. Personally, I'd love something similar to the early Assassin's Creed games. The climbing was quick and also fun and detailed.
Love how in Avengers he sounds out of breath after jogging about 3 feet, interesting story choice to make Spidey asthmatic but alright
I love that Peter is all like" WOO" and "WOOHOO" when he's swinging like he's in a school zone
Yeah, man. 😂
If he was in a school zone he’d be going 20 mph
@@Jazzmusicstops 😐
@@Jazzmusicstops 😐
@@Jazzmusicstops 😐
Crazy how Fortnite did better swinging than Avengers
Yeah Fortnite swinging is pretty fun
Fortnite low key kind of nailed the Spider-Man mechanics ngl
well yeah fortnites a quality game and not just a quick cash grab
@@BaxzXD says the 15 y o
@@ladboii2901 does his age matter?
The problem to me isn’t so much the speed of the swing it’s the fact that he pauses mid air for a split second every time he grips a web which just makes it look choppy
i think 'jerky' is the word you're looking for
Have you ever tried web swinging in the GTA 4 Spider-Man mod? This is exactly how it's looks and feels
Avengers Spider-man's voice actor sounds like he came straight outta the lego games
And?
You say that like it’s a bad thing
You know it’s unrealistic when Ironman and Thor are just jogging around when they can literally fly 😂😂😂
Gotta get that cardio in 💪🏾😈
Wouldn't it be terrible if they couldn't ever get on the ground also😂😂😂😂👏👏👏😀
@@jeremiahtelot Yep!!!🤘🤟🤟
Thats not what unrealistic means. Quite the opposite really.
Why fly if you don’t have to
It makes sense that the Avengers Spidey isn't as good as Insomniac's, as Avengers isn't just dedicated to a single person, but.... Come on, man! He shouldn't feel bulky and slow!
Look at fortnite’s webswinging
@@llamalsy3661 😂😂
@@llamalsy3661 even though most poses are off it still has a sense of speed and momentum
true even fortnites web swinging is better
I just wish they wouldn't stop him so much when he shoots a web, if they let you keep your momentum it would be just right, of course this game can never ne as detailed as Insomniac's Spiderman, but holding him in the air for so long is obnoxious and unnecessary.
Honestly I think that a lot of the problems with Avengers’ game feel (not all, like 30-40%) comes from the camera movement. Notice how in Spider-Man PS4, the camera zooms in on Spidey when he’s falling while web slinging, to create a sense of momentum? And how the camera just halts in Avengers when Spidey vaults over an obstacle, so it feels like he’s really getting tripped up?
4:56 He seems so freaking tired doing so much less
I really thank the Avengers game for reminding me just how beautiful Marvel’s Spider-Man is, in both animations and just overall presentation.
Avengers game looks kinda clean in its own way ngl but I wish they out that budget towards gotg game cuz everything in that game was great but so many environment bugs and the graphics on avengers are slightly smoother unless I forgot how they looked
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@WingS I mean for spider man it do but overall pretty good I guess
The guy who made this video is playing at low graphics on PC. Now if he set the graphics to ultra...
And miles morales somehow made the web swinging even better
okay so wall running sideways in avengers is absolutely useless. good to know.
good luck with your job interview
@@ilovexu thanks so much
@@ilovexu or did i
Why you say that?
Yeah it’s horrible
4:40
Bro avengers Spider-Man looks like he weighs 400 pounds
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@@SleekHeroo 💀💀💀💀
Glad to see the return of the swinging mechanic from 2002 lmao
I feel like adding the avengers into the spidey game would be wholly more satisfying.
lmao true 🤣
Sounds like the best game ever instead we got this.
*bingo!*
At first when they announced this game I thought it would be more like Spider-Man
The Avengers game is so bad, I dont pre order anything anymore. Lmfao
I like that he’s going so slow, yet still shouts “Woohooo!”
hahahahah like some meme
Makes me feel like I’m watching a kids game, lol.
I mean if you could do that, I’d still be having an absolute blast
@@bclynch30 but spidey is not a new kid has been doing this for years
@@abhirupkundu2778 Not Avengers' version of him, he's still a teenager.
avengers spider man feels like if a real guy randomly just became spider man. Like this is the most accurate portrayal of just some dude being spider man
Just so satisfying how Spider’s movements in his game so easily flow into eachother. You could wall crawl up a building, grapple to a light post, parkour your way up and over another roof and dash up a skyscraper with only a couple of breaks to your stride.
Goddamn Avengers Spidey running and crawling looks as if he shat himself.
and he gained like 70 pounds in weight and has been retired for years
@@Kqmren so that's what I thought was missing from this comment all along...
Avengers spiderman after he jumps over a small ledge: Phew that was an intense workout
Insomniac's spiderman after jumping over skyscrapers: Too easy
@@Kqmren lmao I thought I was the only one
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I think that webs sticking to the sky isn’t the biggest problem. The biggest problem is that every time you shoot the next web the game feels the need to slow you or freeze you into mid air all together. It’s not smooth at all. Same with the parkour stuff, every action you do slows you down it’s not fluid at all. Plus the wall crawling is slow and janky as well. The only thing that was okay at best in my opinion was the wall running
It's like a Watch Dogs 2 version of Avengers.
Agreed
probably because they can’t have him go faster in the sky than other avengers
Agreed, what a garbage game. And the fact he yells “WOO-HOO!” while swinging makes it laughably bad.
I think they made it that way so the other, equally sluggish Avengers can keep up with you. Not an excuse, just me trying to make sense of nonsense.
The city's in danger...
Marvel's Spider-Man: There's no time to lose!
Marvel's Avengers: I need to catch my breath.
bro uncle ben holding that web for him up in heaven, such a great uncle.
The biggest problem with Avengers Spider-Man besides cloud swinging is pacing. Everything he does is slow and I guarantee if they made his animations like 50% faster on everything he does it would play so much better. He acts all big and bulky and all his moves are slow but he's supposed to be a super quick reflex gymnastic kid. His wall run and crawl and just overall actions are far too slow for Spider-Man.
Yep, all of what you just stated is a part of Peter's agility and over all physical capabilities
The biggest issue his him not being on every console. Yay corporate greed!
Yeah, looks like it'd fit maybe venom better lol
@@yka9976 Exclusives are good it brings more individuality to a console besides near identical specs and look but i still wish i could play halo or forza on my playstation
@@peoplehatealex3xten550 fr. I ended up getting a ps5 to play spider man and now i wish i could play halo on next gen. Plus ps now is TERRIBLE and i've only been playing the same couple of games.
I like how the web is actually sticking to a real building realistically and not just sticking to clouds in avengers
It's cuz most avengers maps don't have buildings
@@dude1473 So turn off swinging in areas without places for his webs to stick onto 💀
Too bad the skybox is 2 stories. Lmfao
uncle ben is holding his webs what u on about
True!!!😃😃😃😊😤💯💯💯👏👏👏
"Spidey in both games is quite similar" my guy's swinging from pigeons.
"how do you want spiderman swinging will be?"
"more tricks, forget momentum"
"..."
I love the realism in the avengers game! Didn’t know spider-man’s webs attached to the clouds!! I love it!!😍
Same 😍
Uncle Ben died just so he could catch the weblines for Peter. A real role model if you ask me
@@chmchn but there's no uncle Ben in mcu 😏😂😂 maybe it's aunt May
You got me in the first half 😂
@@sastaassh1112 there is an uncle ben in the mcu wdym
I think part of the reason the swinging is so slow is because if they gave it the same amount of speed and momentum as the insom spidey you’d realize how much smaller the avengers map is
@Confessions Of A Movie Freak it’s not a open world u idiots 😂
Era só colocar o mesmo mapa
the fact that you can do all this in an Avengers game full of different characters to play with itself is a big thing for me. the developers done a great job. and remember you are comparing it with a Spiderman standalone game and in that game we all hated playing as mj and miles as humans
@@redwing9977That's what I'm saying 😂
@@redwing9977 the developers shit the bed so bed one can smell it through the monitor
The Avengers Spidey looks and feels like he's in immense physical pain every time he swings
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A few things I noticed on why the Avengers' just feels a bit off
- The webswinging breaks his momentum on every thwip, should have just kept going on
- A fall from greater than 10 feet has him creating a sizable crack in the pavement and a lot of dust. Peter is that heavy so it doesn't feel right
- The wall crawling is just the tips of his toes and fingers yet the sound design makes it sound like he is slapping the wall pretty hard
- Peter will do a quip long before the criminals could see him as combat is started when it's detected. Should be when it's started
The wall crawling looks like it’s from the Japanese show too
The camera sucks as well. Every-time he starts the swinging animation the camera zooms out then back in
@@babushkaissexyandbeautiful632 no.i like it😳
The animations also look cut in, and doesn’t flow. It looks like it starts the animation when the command is put in, and it doesn’t actually flow into the movement.
Theory, it's a crappy android made of tungsten.
I see they circled back to the traditional Spiderman game formula where Peter swings off of the moon.
Now imagine Gru steals the moon.
Not Spider-Man 2018
Be careful, if there is an Avengers video-game sequel, we might see the return of the swinging from the Spider-Man 1 videogame (early 2000s). 😅🤣
@@noarctv Then Uncle Ben will hold his webs from heaven
Ye lmao
This video really highlights the subtle differences that make a game feel good vs meh. The Avengers movements are essentially the same but feel disconnected and really kill the flow of his movements.
I know this is because they couldnt focus exclusively on spidey and they're not INSOMIA aka kings of fluid movement, but its very interesting. Nothing but love.
even the music playing during swinging is epic in marvel spiderman
I think the biggest problem from what I’ve seen is that he’s to slow and clunky, Spider-Man’s swinging has always been about momentum that’s why people like insomniacs and treyarchs spiderman 2 swinging this just doesn’t look fun compared to that. That’s really all they needed to do
Never make the creators of Avengers 2020 make a spidwr-man game
That is true. He seem so "Slow paced" as spider man in this game
Cristal Dynamics made tomb raider, they know how to make a game. Blame square enix. They should give more time to development, that's really all they needed to do.
I think it's that slow so the other players can keep up and he doesn't get anywhere way faster than the rest. But it still sucks. He shouldn't have been added in the first place.
I mean I guess we can slightly appreciate it since this makes Spider-Man even more human compared to the insomniac game, except the physics is kind of lame in the avengers version it makes you feel like a sub par gymnast swinging around instead of spider man
1:45 lmao I just love how Natasha is the perfect example of the state of this game 😂
Bugs
@@rafaelcosta5221 idknif I consider that a bug, more like an ai pathing issue
@@rafaelcosta5221 no dude its feature
I didn't notice that, that's hilarious. This game is so broken it's sad.
@@MegaLPlover pathing issues ARE bugs. A.I. made in any game past PS2 should be a lot less stupid than this
I love how the ground cracks as if he’s jumped off the Empire State Building in Avengers when he jumps like three feet.
I love that he jumps one story off a building and yet still breaks the concrete floor
He's shooting webs at your monitor to swing with which is pretty epic to help spidey save the day
😂
Jazam!
Haha, that's a creative way to look at it 😂
Man, those web swings in marvels avengers gives me nostalgia to the PS1 days of Spider-Man swinging on nothing. The memories
*uncle ben
@@tommyraven06g67 aunt may*
At least the PS1 game was infinitely more entertaining than the Avengers game
Avengers spider man is so slow at wall crawling, even japanese spider man is faster than this.
@@jkjordon1 looks like spidey has arthritis trying to climb that wall like seriously, what is that animation even.
2:25 middle of demonstration, sees an npc and can’t leave him hanging, I respect that
they created alot of characters you cant expect everyone to be jaw dropping
One of the differences in the parkour which is minor but makes a huge difference is how in the avengers game, when you vault over something it slows you down a ton. Not only does this feel clunky, it makes you wanna do things like cool parkour LESS because of how slow and broken it feels. Imagine making a mechanic that’s supposed to improve gameplay and you make players not want to use it. Another thing is that, he literally drops like 6 feet and makes a dent in the ground and trips? Wtf?
In PS4 spider-man, you get to look flashy without hindering any movement, you always move at generally the same speed and sometimes feel faster by vaulting over ledges or hopping past gaps, you feel rewarded just for running around which is why you want to do it more.
all parkour youtubers are better than spider man in avengers... bruh
Never knew there was someone who also enjoyed running in Spider-Man PS4.
@@ritzie5693 Yeah, as much as i love swinging around the city there’s something so fun about jumping and running on rooftops, traversing parks and open areas, or narrow alleys
@@bolson42 Web swinging is my favourite thing.
So I decided to do an entire playthrough where I omly swing when the gane forces me to and still had fun doing it lmfao.
@@bolson42 It's especially fun to do when the streets are full of people.
When I swing, I do it really low, like just about the height of a street lamp. The skies are pretty boring and empty.
My head-canon is that in the Avenger's universe, this Peter Parker has asthma which explains why he's so slow and breathes so hard from the simplest things like running and wall crawling
Bet I have a better head cannon. Avengers Spider-Man is that one guy you save in Insomniac’s game that’s fighting crime pretending to be Spider-Man lol
The spider bite fixed Peter's need for glasses so I'm fairly sure it would have fixed his asthma
The Goblin burnt his lungs, idk lol
Nah he's just in his 80's
@@DiDiDinky Unless he got it after the bite. Second hand smoking in New York can do that to you.
Watching the avengers spider man vault feels like watching a dude in a spiderman outfit try his best to mimic spiderman
In the context of a full game being centered around only him and his mechanics yes, he's not as fluid. But for a game build around multiple heroes his traversal is one of the best and fastest on par with other flying heroes in avengers. But I do understand how people feel in some cases.
but if we are using that logic how can a shooting game pull of better swing than the avengers game
@@wavy2turn433 well, isn't Fortnite's engine very customisable?
Either they took LEAPS backwards with the mechanics for Avengers Spider-Man or Insomniac just raised the bar so high that no one can reach it yet.
Both maybe??
Its not only that, crystal dynamics one just isnt great
One is an avengers game and one is solely focused on Spider-Man and his mechanics. They’re obviously going to be drastically different.
Both
I look at it like this, look at the Batman Arkham games when you can play as different characters. different combos, different weapons and all. With a few tweaks they could’ve replicated that a little. No excuse for this game being as bad as it is gameplay wise. If it can’t be perfect don’t release it. Game feels so unfinished.
Watching this just makes me appreciate how much effort and passion Insomniac put into making the perfect (two and soon to be three, to be precise) Spider Man games.
What they working on?
@@flaai Spider-Man 2 and Wolverine
And do u know the Prototype of Marvel's Spider-Man had better swinging than this AVENGERS
@@dexter27ll6 spiderma 2 from ps2 have better swinging than this game.. so it doesnt surprise me.
Soon? Lmfao 1-2 years ain’t really soon.
It's like they went back to the physics of the PS1 game for the Avengers Spider-Man. The way he swings it looks like a modernized version of the swinging in that PS1 game.
I love how at 2:03 his fall cracks the concrete for absolutely no reason. That, combined with the slight crack sound effect is funny as fuck
Spider-Man PS reaction : 😍
Spider-Man Avengers reaction : 😂
Tru 💀
Lol true
Obvious since Avengers is not made only in spider man even so it is great
Spider-Man from the avengers game,
Feels like a Spider-Man from PS3
@@PeskyLoon411 Why do people use this argument why does that even matter they didn't even try in the Original game
2:40 : Citizens screaming at the top of their lungs for help
Spider-man: **Parkour intensifies**
Like everytime he shoots a web, his momentum just stops that is just funny to me
Did not play any of these games. But, just the fact that in spiderman game , spiderman have his web really stuck on something and not like in avenger to just air ... That's a win all day long
I'm ngl I like having a bash with characters like Cap and Panther, so I thought at the very least Spidey would be fun to fight with even if the swinging was bad. But DAMN. This is probably the worst Spidey I'ver ever used in a game. The PS2 games make this look awful.
Ppppp
@@zacharynab 📠📠
The PS2 version does what the avengers game forgets which is just be fun
Love your channel full fat videos they are so good
You say that like the ps2 games aren’t the best ones for swinging maybe not combat but definitely for swinging
As a dev myself, I think the main issue with avengers would have been that they had to create and account for all sorts of mechanics for different characters within the same system. If they only had to account for spiderman, they would have been able to make it better.
Edit: I didn't realize that the game is just low quality in general 😅
exactly, people are so stupid
As a dev as well, I actually find it really dope that they were able to do at least what they could with how many different characters and mechanics they have to push in this one system. They should have gave this game another year of development to really work out all the stuff.
stop the cap
@@eliteisaqt9611 what?
EliteisaQT what’s cap?
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In avengers, the sound of his webs sound like crinkling papers and plastic bags😅
The 2018 Spider-Man feels like you're playing as Spider-Man.
Avengers feels like you're playing as a cosplayer.
With a 5 dollar budget
2018 makes you feel like Peter Parker.
Avengers makes you feel like 🅱️eter 🅱️arker.
1:45 Its good to see black widow like this here , it reflects what this game has to offer
How did square enix make great games like guardians of the galaxy tomb raider and kingdom hearts yet make spider man lame id rather play as black widow then him
@@giothemolester6 didn’t they make sleeping dogs as well?
@@giothemolester6 because it’s crystal dynamics
@@gektoast4968 facts bc ive never heard of them
@@giothemolester6 tomb raider games
After finally getting around to playing Marvel's Avengers myself, I personally don't think the web swinging is THAT bad in terms of the way if feels. Now don't get me wrong, if is awful compared to Insomniacs Spider-Man but considering what the developers were working with in terms of the already put in place systems/mechanics of Avenger's, they did a pretty good job. It definitely could have been a whole lot worse.
Another thought, Insomniac's Spider-Man was built with web swinging in mind. It was built for it. Marvel's Avengers already had a prefab that they had to work around due to Spider-Man probably being an afterthought very late into development. This being said, and the circumstances being in place, they did what they could and they executed it as best as they could.
If there were complications they shouldn't have added him in the first place just to stain his name on the dirty underwear of square enix
@@somerandommenace they ain't doing anything to him they're staining their own names. spidey will alwasy be the man
watching that Avengers gameplay is like someone threw one of those subway station spider-man in there
Spider-Man: “swinging through the air at great height and speed”
Thor who had the ability to fly: 🏃🏻♂️
LOL PERFECT
Ikr the game at some times just doesnt make sense
🤣😂
But... Thor can actually fly in the game.(?)
4:18 spider-man tired just crawling up a wall😭
fisrt clip look like an avenger GTA V mode from 2017, even the npc walk, amazing
1:45 that has to be the goofiest parkour Ive seen Spidey do lmao
I like that he is added to the game and I can appreciate that for a game that’s not based around him he’s actually pretty good in it. What I really don’t like about it though is that he literally swings on air like the web doesn’t attach to anything. If they just fixed the swinging movement a bit and made him actually swing on to a wall or a street lamp instead of him hitching himself on the air this would of just made it that 40% better personally.
But then if you go to any other biome or whatever their called your screwed they could just add the quinjet above him but also if there’s something to latch onto he does swing off of it
But yeah he’s movement does need help
I mean that’s what happened in ultimate alliance and mobile games….. if it was a game about Spider-Man and it did that than sure that would be dumb but keep in mind for what the game is
Dude Marvel Avengers is not a Spider-Man game.
@@robertmerin1080 yeah I know i get it it’s just that little bit of swinging onto a wall or a tree instead on to nothingness would of been quite a nice little touch
2:35 - People literally dying and screaming.
Peter - *PARKOUR*
Marvel's Avengers Spider-man looks like he's gonna shit his pants with every swing and step he makes
Marvels spiderman has amazing little features like when spiderman starts swinging around the city you hear the amazing orchestra start to kick in, its things like that, that make you realize how much effort they put in to the game
Its just a great game! Best i could've hoped for in a spiderman game (besides the MJ segments)
@@undeadinside3571 lmao truu
Everytime you move, the fucking music starts playing and you can't even turn it off...
@@G59METH you can turn off music
@@G59METH u can mute the music in the menu
0:21 Thank you uncle ben for holding those webs from the sky!
2:37
Literally a robbery happening:
Spiderman: I missed the part where that's my problem
I can't believe that a game that is 18 years old (Spiderman 2 for PS2 and GCN) have better mechanics than an actual AAA game.
Bruh it's only 2 years old not 18
@@HollowKnightReference read my comment again "bruh"
@@oldhunter607 I see the error of my ways
Avengers Spider-Man moves how I imagine Peter will in his late 50s.
With the gasping for air too. I get it, having the character actually sound like they’re exerting themselves adds to realism, but also so much about the rest of the gameplay is noticeably off and he’s a damn superhero.
Marvel Spidey: I can do this all day and not get tired
Avengers Spidey: I’m just too tired and lazy
4:59
@@kristopherwatkins5181 lmfao🤣🤦🏽♂️
@@kristopherwatkins5181 instead of walking 75° bitch goes straight up 90°
Just like the creators who programmed him into the game
So much for that Super Stamina 😂😂
The Spider-Man in the avengers is the one they rent for birthday parties fr
every time they show Marvel avenger's spider man i feel like "Here goes spider-goof" super powers- Choppy animation goofy web zips and the very cool swinging mechanic where every swing god himself holds his web to help him swing.
5:15 "come on guys you're just embarassing yourselves" fits perfectly.
2:02 I love the massive disconnect between the absolutely pitiful sound effect and the massive earth shattering crack in the pavement when he lands
It's not even supposed to crack. Unless spidey intends a wall slam, he shouldn't be THAT heavy wtf.
or when he jumps off the building at 6:16 im dying at 1AM watching this😭😭😭💀
From like a 10 foot drop
the avengers spiderman part looks like he is tired of saying woo every time he swings
I like how spidey in Avengers just swings from clouds or just the air.
Exactly at 5:16 Avengers Spider-man said "Come on guys, you're just embarrassing yourselves" to the developers because of how they programmed Spider-man to swing😂
😂
I felt the same way hahhaha
For me, the Spider-Man costume itself isn't bad. But the flying on the web seems to me a bit shoddy, and the combat system leaves a lot to be desired. Of course, I haven't played the DLC, but you can clearly see the sharp movements and maneuvers Spider-Man makes.
im guessing you are talking about the avengers game?
flying?
@@ricecum9591 yes
@@ricecum9591 I think he means either swinging high till it auto cancels the web,or gliding
@Rice Cum he means how in the avengers game spider-man dosen't connect to anything like his web just goes straight up and attaches to the air. while in marvels spider-man you have to actually attach the web to a building or something to be able to swing
its as if theres a ceiling follows spider man constantly so he can use his web swings even if its an area devoid from tall buildings. Bits of webs everywhere
Ah yes, spiderman 2032 is able to attach his webs to the air and swing from it
I understand that in the battlefield 2042 you can grapple off tornadoes. But there is absolutely no excuse for spiderman in a 2021 game to be swinging off clouds like back in the 2000 ps1 era. Why would you even apply this to your game. where is the love??
Fun =/= Realism.
They already made web swinging less fun in Avengers so why make it a pain in the ass on top of it all?
Face it, in most avengers levels, there isn’t nearly enough tall objects and landforms for spidey to swing off of
You mean Battlefield 2042 right?
@@archerboy7922 I did edited it! Lol
@@gektoast4968 @Gek Toast Fair enough response dude, It would be a unreasonable request to expect them to change maps and areas of the main game to fit in with a free DLC character. But I do feel they should have added in traversal zip lining or traversal jumps for those places with areas that are not suitable for spiderman to swing from that just so not to break immersion. Hell for me they could even assigned it to the same button and it swings or zip lines depending on the environmental surroundings. Just feels like a Spiderman cash cow with no love. Shame really because Spiderman could have helped the game bring back some or create a new audience. But this whole game just gives me $1/£1 store knock off vibes when it comes to Spidey and the Avengers.
is it just me or does the sound effects used for the Avengers game for the webs make the webs sound like they're really tense and tight? Like they're about to snap?
"Schikk!"
They sound stretchy
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@@c_2519stretchy in the way that blu-tack stretches a little bit before it snaps
His "fly" command really worked
The people screaming for help while he’s running is so halarious
The fact that the Avengers version of spidey attaches the webs to the birds up in the sky... that's the only explanation I can find....
Edit: I also just realized that the Avengers version of spidey's web sounds like are made out of some kind of thick ass rubber lmao
Have u ever tried Gameloft Spider man 2 game?
@@WaneYT Yeah but you are talking about a 2014 game, we are talking about a modern videogame right here :v
@@urff1322 You deserve a blunt man xd you just made my night
There could be a second explanation...
FAIRY GODPARENTS!!!
You mean Uncle Ben's balls?
As a dev I can tell how hard it would be to implement amazing spider man swinging mechanics that require physics with respect to building collision but that WOOOOOHOOO kills me
Spider-man is so strong in Marvel Avengers that he can attach his webs to air? So cool!
Marvel's Spiderman: *Nice iconic web shooting sounds*
Avengers' Spiderman: *Spandex sounds intensifies*
spiderman in avengers sounds like he's tired when running
Most of the characters do.
You can tell when a games developers actually care and when they don’t. The Spider-man PS4 web swinging feels so good because the developers understood the basic physics of momentum, inertia, and how a swing like this would feel irl. Not only that they also follow a lot of rules of animation as well, and call back to the comics and movies with him making iconic poses during his swings that you can clearly see. The swinging also changes slightly between environments and elevation, which makes sense if you’re swinging at an angle or from a shorter point than a skyscraper in central park.
Meanwhile the avengers game… has none of that. The developers put no care into this game. Holy shit it looks horrible.
@@Crispyy69 and they couldn't make spiderman too fast. Then he would be moving at speeds that the game isn't designed around. Also the reason why his webs don't hit buildings but rather the sky i think is not because of lazyness, but so the player could swing regardless of surroundings.
The first thing insomniac did beginning to develop spider man was the swinging
Makes it even more sadder when Fortnite has better swinging mechanics than the avengers game
@@erictheviking6424 i mean, they only made web swinging, meanwhile avengers needed to make way more than just one function. Since Fortnite only needed to make web swinging, they could focus more time and effort into that. Plus Fortnite is a game where adding a bunch of mobility to one thing won't hurt the game as much as adding insane mobility to one character in avengers would hurt that game.
@@mr.krawkoskiproductions82 Good point
Honestly, the only problem Marvel’s Avengers Spider-Man has, is how slow and heavy he feels, he flips around and stuff like Spider-Man does… but… it feels unnatural, it’s like throwing an anvil in the air and it behaves like paper, you know what I mean?
That web swing was so slow by the time the avengers version of spider man start swinging the insomniac version is already gone across the other side of the map