Five Brutal First-Hand Accounts of Roman Conquest // Carthage, Zela, Masada, Samarra, Fall of Rome
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Taken from Polybius quoted in Plutarch, Caesar's 'The Alexandrian Wars', Flavius Josephus, Ammianus Marcellinus and St. Jerome.
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Yes.
True
Very underrated comment. I agree.
A genuine record of the human experience, absolutely
This and animal memes.
>And so the citizens turned to cannibalism, and not even the nursing mother spared her child.
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The evilness of real war vs âplaying World War IIIâ and the evilness of corporations stealing boys pocket money in the process... - so either he is aware of what he did, or he is just clueless or doesnât care about... - or he thinks itâs befitting for an audience who watches recitations of warcrimes from the safety of their bed for entertainment... (- when we point at someone, we always have three fingers pointing back at ourselves...)
@@Stadtpark90 ->149 BC - 409 AD
-> war crimes.
Yeah ok totally. Any war crime claim is spurious from the getgo. Applying them retroactively to things that happened ~2000 years ago is just dumb.
Whatâs considered legitimate warfare now may be a âwar crimeâ in a hundred years.
@@alexanderstrickland9036 there is no such thing as a war crime. Only the illusion of morals exist. War is war is war.
@Some characters aren't allowed Yes until you are losing a war and resort to everything you got left like nuclear annihilation. Lol get over yourself, people only act civil until they can't. And you can trust me that people will stop at NOTHING to win a war, you just have to look at what happened to japan in WW2.
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"I have a dread foreboding that some day the same doom will be pronounced on my own country" damn the writers were really good at dropping foreshadowing of the series finale.
@John Galt Imagine beliving in a hoax created by ex-oil barons that are trying to sell you overpriced "green" garbage that does more harm to the environment than even coal does. You're a tool.
@@nobelissimos8719 You think you know better than (checks notes) all scientists?
You may think you're a genius because you've convinced yourself you're smarter than the smartest scientists but you're not.
You're just so stupid you don't realise how wrong you are.
cringe
@@Treblaine He may be stupid but you are as well. Have you never heard of corruption and groupthink? Even the "all scientists" bit is wrong. There are dissenting voices, but they are being silenced. Btw before global warming, the mania was global cooling. Im curious how long it takes before they switch it again. Maybe in 20 years when we see the world isnt ending. Then they will just say "well, we were wrong, but its actually global cooling that is the problem! This time we are absolutely super duper sure!"
@@Likexner You're not an idiot, you're a liar.
And it really is all scientists, the only disagreement amongst the relevant scientists is exactly how bad it is. Even the oil companies knew about it, they silenced their experts from acknowledging the truth that Global Warming is real.
There was no global cooling "mania" in the past.
This is a total lie, you're just taking speculation of "I wonder when the next ice age will begin?" and STRAIGHT UP LYING that is a claim the world is getting colder.
I visited Massada. Incredible impressive to still see the ground markings of the Legion camps. And this monstreous ramp.
No other battlefield of ancient time left such clear visible relics to this day.
"No other battlefield of ancient time left such clear visible relics to this day."
HAHA
i can imagine disapointment on face of someone that wasted time and money to visit that place just because of your false advertisement...
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Israel-2013-Aerial_21-Masada.jpg
Great Wall in China is the most clear relict of ancient battlefield and fact that its visible from space makes it the most visible relict of ancient battlefield... plus it is not just ugly pile of old mudbrick in the middle of desert. :D
Someone would need to pay me good money to visit that forgoten by God place, it looks like place where sun can fry you like a french fry in no time.
@@Bialy_1 the chinese wall is certainly impressive as a building. But "the wall" is no specific place for a battle.
Nor is it visible from space.
@@Bialy_1 no one cares about chinaâs boring history. A huge wall that failed. Yea sounds like fun.
Mao was a harvard graduate funded by bankers through New York. Still think chinese history is boring?
Visit Rome before Rome *visits you*
Make video i dont need crusader tank
Visit Germania before Germania visits you
Also, dope name.
Besuchen Sie auch Deutschland, bevor sie Ihnen einen Besuch abstattet
@@saint_matthias Beat me to it
Makes you remember how morbid and sad history is when you hear first person accounts from the conquered. Great work here!
Woe to the conquered
"Morbid", lmao nope how childish
Vae Victis
@@alexmag342 ha thanks
"Even the mother did not spare the babe at her breast". An eye opening account of the horrible condition the Roman people were in after the Visigoths sacked Rome.
Veni, Vidi, Vici, would that he have known those words would emanate throughout the centuries.
He knew.
@@vasecore7508 I truly believe he did. Many great men knew their names and words would be recorded and immortalized. I think that was part of the goal, to become immortal in some sense.
Weni, widi, wici
Sah wenny weedy weechee
Veni, Vidi, Veni again!
14:00 for anyone who's confused about what happened. To my knowledge, they set each of the men, within the fortress to slay his own family, and then take his own life. by the time the Roman Army breached the walls of Masada, everyone was already dead, or dying.
Not take own life, but then draw lots so they would only be guilty of one suicide.
@@illerac84 Thank you. my mistake
Except Flavius Josephus đ
It begins with one saying "I have a dread foreboding that some day the same doom will be pronounced on my own country". And it ends exactly with that happening.
A clip of the sun setting makes you realize how during all of histories conflicts, the universe is but quiet and indifferent to us all.
I love you guys, I have bought some of the books related to videos youâve done and the texts they come from. I love history and first hand accounts are among the most important for finding out how they thought and the contexts of the time to truly understand these people and the times in which they lived. Great work as always.
âWar does not determine who is right, only who is left.â
I like your picture.
it's too bad this remark loses its pithiness in any kind of translation...
Such childish statement, nothing but ignorance for fools
@@alexmag342 Nah, the statement is true.
The Romans were good at being the only ones left.
Dude, you have to make an Omnibus or an audiobook of your work because i cant get enough of listening to your videos!
I second that notion!
these videos really are phenomenal. from research to delivery, spot on. thanks a lot.
We came, we saw, he died. [laughes in evil reptilian]
We haven't tarred & feathered Politicians in a while & it shows.
@@kesorangutan6170 Good thing I'm not a boog boi. But why do you say they're evil? How is being libertarian "evil"?
@@kesorangutan6170 how are you still hillary supporter after all that has been exposed about epstein and bill Clinton's visits to pedo island?
@@Whatsinmypocket so you are going to ignore the fact that Epstein is friends with Trump too? Your whole political establishment is corrupt save for a few who don't take corporate money and are not beholden to the evil oligarchs
Comparing that Molochian witch to Gaivs Ivlivs Caesar is quite disgusting
ROMA AETERNA!
Yehhhhhhh
_SPQR_
Barbari delenda est
LEGIO AETERNA AETERNA VICTRIX
Modern Roman, 'I came, I saw, I concreted.'
Ancient Romans concreted too...
@@paulfogarty7724 it's a joke
I came,i saw, i came
Rome i come i saw i conquered,
British empire really i come i saw and. I conquered half the world,
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So glad I found this channel. Awesome.
Such great content!! Thank you!
I love this channel. Brilliant idea
They had it coming, honestly
Great story telling you do a great job thanks
0:21 prove it
Its true I can't
Prove that the Romans didn't have submarines and tanks?? Huh? đ€
A nicely informative video. It seems at times that Romans were mocking their enemies in their written accounts.
Brilliantly done
Excellent, as always.
Is there perhaps any suitable text available for Alexander's taking of Tyre?
Noone surpasses Rome and Assyria in military brutality in the ancient world.
What about the Mongols?
@@thedapperpotato427 Well, I said "in the ancient world."
But if we were to extend it to the medieval period then the Mongols and the Timurids definetely take the helm. :)
@@theonlygoodlookinghabsburg2081 lol my bad g i had a brain fart and forgot when they were a thing
@Il Bugiardo dell'Umbria The Huns maybe.. but the German tribes? I don't think they had enough power to compete with Rome on that. But sure, maybe they're good candidates.
Anyone can be that because why not? I will definitely do it to the Romans because I want to make them pay for what they did to Carthage.
Love this channel
The conquerd peoples must have been thinking: romanes eunt domus!
âWhat's this, then? "Romanes eunt domus"? People called Romanes they go the house?â
@@boaoftheboaians I-It says "romans go home"!
@@dainiuspetraitis9201 No, it doesn't. What's Latin for 'Roman'? Come on!
Thank you so much I have extremely bad ptsd and hyper awareness that makes me sleep very little. I wake up at 3 am and listening to your lessons helps me get better every morning
After the first one i got some popcorn, sat down, and got comfortable.
Thereâs something that just so disturbing to me about st. Jeromeâs letter at the end , especially after hearing the other stories
Could you do some voices of the past on christoper colombus abd the explorers abd conquerors of the west indies. Also of the natives if they are any?
Can you do a video on George Washington's 1796 Farewell Address after his second term as president
Who is George Washington? This channel is about history.
AMAZING
This is why I love Rome
Please do some 1st hand accounts of the florida natives that later went extinct.. Were totally diff than others said to have long hair, copper skin, be a head taller, vicously brave, farmed, fished, hunted sea turtles etc
You mean, the Seminoles?
@jurisprudens the calusa
Love this. More like this one please sir!
SPQR for eternity!!
Say that to Hannibal Barca and the Parthians. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
@@jasondelrosario5523 carthage got smoked fam
@@jasondelrosario5523 You do know Hannibal lost?
I imagine all those veterans tormented by the smell of elephants.
"who gives a wee F about all the dear friends screaming for their mamas, just save us all from the elephant smell"
Ancient battles already smelt pretty bad, imagine on top of human guts, vomit, piss and sht you had to deal with elephant dung and God knows what else.
I'd write about it too
Addendum: one of the most under appreciated advancements man has made has been on this front. The modern battlefield smells wonderful.
Carbon, gunsmoke, phosphorous, burning nylon, melted rubber, black singed shells of copper and depleted uranium... so good đ
6:03 thatâs a statue of Augustus, not Caesar.
Caesar Augustus, or Julius Ceasar?
@@peteyflynn make an educated guess.
A roman emperor is called Caesar.
@@canadious6933 I am aware, but there is only one Caesar who is commonly attributed as Caesar, genius. Caligula was called Caesar as well, yet he is attributed as Caligula, his childhood nickname meaning little boot. Augustus was born Octavius, yet we call him Octavian after his adoption by Caesar, despite the fact that this was only an adaptation made by historians. Do me a favor and quit being so moronic.
@@justinpolanco5046 NO, Octavian is also famously know as Caesar.
Though, in context to the battle mentioned in that part of the video, yes, it's the wrong statue. But it's not incorrect to call Augustus Caesar, regardless how you feel about Gaius Julius being more 'well known' as Caesar.
Conan the Barbarian would have fit it real well back then. When asked what are the best things in life, his answer was "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women."
Given that that's a Gengis Khan quote, it's a wee bit early.
Appearantly the Roman's pronounced "V" with a "Wh" so CĂŠsar probably said, "Whidi, Whida, Whici."
Lmao
đ wait until biggus dickus hears of this.
Now itâs more like âI came. I conquered. I felt real bad about it.â
Shame, innit
Man, these videos give you such a perspective on the ground of these events. Thank you for continuing to make these. Stay well out there everybody, and Jesus Christ be with you friends.đ
Masada remains a complex source of strong mixed emotions among Jews. Some doubted it was more than a legend....until it was found and excavated. What's interesting about this selection of accounts is they span such a range of human responses to impending defeat, from the sell-out to futile defiance to the true believer.
good video
Good day my fellow historians!
Yesssss
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Live like a coward, die like a coward ...
The Romans also live by that and also fell by that. Where is there empire now?
I give my thanks to those Germanic peoples!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
WHAT?!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! IT'S THE ROMANS WHO ARE THE IMPERIALISTS WHILE THE OTHERS JUST WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
YOU SAYING THAT THOSE NON-ROMANS DESERVE THOSE MEANS YOU ARE ZERO IN MORALITY!!! YOU DESERVE ZERO LIFE!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
@@jasondelrosario5523 G*rms
Romans: That'll learn 'em!
The Huns:Oh!You have no idea.
They learned the lesson themselves afterwards
more more moreee quicckkkkkk
Are there any good films on the Siege of Masada?
My great great great grandfather fought in the 12th legion for Rome and is a veteran of many conflicts. It is great to know our families historyâŠâŠ.. thereâs always someone like this in the comments sections and I havenât seen one just yet so I figured Iâd chime in to some bullshit. Lol YEA IM JOKING
Not very funny though
I am at 6:05 and the video is great so far except for the fact that you have a picture of Caesar Octavian Augustus instead of Gaius Iulius Caesar. This just bothers me.
Yikes, at 7:10 one of the Roman soldiers showed us his own little soldier.
Carthaho Delenda Est!
And above all Judeans Delenda Est!
We will finish the job the Assyrians and Hadrian started
I root for the Phoenicians every time
The 'job' Hadrian started was the creation of your problem, as cause and effect, everything you do comes back to bite you in the ass.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! YOUR ROME FELL WHILE THE JEWS ARE STILL ALIVE!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
@@MarikHavair
Don't you notice that it was the Carthaginians and the Jews that he didn't like? Both of those people are not Europeans.
He's clearly a person of zero morality in a way that he has no tolerance for people who are not Europeans.
His kind clearly needs to disappear from the world.
@@MarikHavair
Don't you notice that it was the Carthaginians and the Jews that he didn't like? Both of those people are not Europeans. The Carthaginians don't even practice Judaism.
He's clearly a person of zero morality in a way that he has no tolerance for people who are not Europeans.
His kind clearly needs to disappear from the world.
When it comes to Empires there are no such things as good or evil only victors or losers.
Woe to the vanquished
I dunno, man, the aztecs were a bit on the fucked up side. Rome and many other empires may have been ruthless and genocidal, but at least they waged wars for land and resources, not just so they can capture people to sacrifice - there's a reason pretty much no one came to their aid when Cortez rolled up, like "Buenos dias, heathens". Shit, from what I recall, by the end most of his force was made up of various locals, who were tired of the aztecs shit and figured they'd rather pay the spanish gold as tribute than pay the aztecs in family members.
@@gso619 and people glorify the Aztecs as ancestors to be proud of. Most will be descended from tribes that hated the Aztecs.
Aztecs were definitely not "fucked up". If anything, they were the good guys, definitely better and more interesting than Rome. Romanticizing is bad, but the Mexica were based.
No one was "tired of their shit", Tlaxcala and other city states and countries (not tribes ffs) wanted to conquer Tenochtitlan on their own. They were enemies, not some poor, harmless, opressed people. They had the same rituals and sacrifices, they didn't think human offerings were bad (because they are not).
@@Th3Kingism Brennus?
Those poor elephants đ.
What do you mean they do not had tanks, than what was the testudo for? :D
It was a carriage with shields and a battering ram, used to knock down gates. Hardly a tank in my opinion.
Something tells me that the writers of these accounts may have modified some details to make themselves look better.
the correct translation for veni vidi vici is i came, i saw, i won (not coquered)
Scipio beat Hannibal cause he played *WORLD WAR III*
Wow
Veni, Vidi, Vici
And these were Italians! One no more thinks of Italians as warriiors than the French as soldiers.
The Romans used alot of non-Italian troops as well
@@Hope-Truth-Light correct. It's called multiculturalism and it resolves all global problems. Just ask the Romans.
Carthago delenda est
Just FYI historians don't think The Alexandrian Wars were written by Julius Caesar.
The veneer of civilization, even after 2,300 years, is relatively thin.
It always will be in the eyes of those who look back.
@@Brakvash Let then look forward till Christmas and see what happens in the US if the election is close.
Many lives could be lost & institutions hurt.
Veneer? What do you think civilization is? You think it's some kind of moral thing?
Itâs just not a banner though itâs literally human nature to form some sort of structure
Vene Vidi Igni (I came, I saw, I set it on fire.)
At 3:20 -- it's Rodney Bewes, yet again!
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Veni, Vidi, Vici.
Proof video games donât create violent hearts
As unbelievable as it was, Rome fell. So fall, all civilizations.
Lol
@@sabrina1380m
WHAT HE SAID WAS TRUE! YOU ALSO HAVE WHAT HANNIBAL BARCA DID TO THE ROMANS AT CANNAE!!! PLUS, YOU ALSO HAVE WHAT ARMINIUS DID TO THE ROMANS AT TEUTOBURG AND WHAT THE PARTHIANS DID TO CRASSUS AFTER HE WAS DEFEATED AT CARRHAE!!!
THE ROMANS DESERVED THOSE!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
PRAISE HANNIBAL BARCA!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! WOOHOOOO!!
@@jasondelrosario5523 My man Scipio kicked Hannibal's ass in the battle of zama
history is not a line,
itâs a spiral
"Even the mother did not spare the babe at her breast." Wow what an incredibly powerful statement, I can't imagine the disparity.
how accurate are these translations?
I liked the siege of Masada.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! WELL I LIKE WHAT HANNIBAL BARCA DID TO THE ROMANS IN CANNAE!!! I ALSO LIKE WHAT ARMINIUS DID TO THE ROMANS AT TEUTOBURG AND WHAT THE PARTHIANS DID TO CRASSUS AFTER THE ROMAN CRASSUS WAS DEFEATED AT CARRHAE!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
@@jasondelrosario5523 okay jew
Anyone know what his dialect/accent is?
Or how my unmarried and but unusual handsome uncle used to phrase it:
I saw.
I conquered.
I came.
Nothing about Corinth?
Damn...Hannibal went out like a bish
Never forget, the Romans were widely known for their CLEMENCY! It was a truly brutal world. Of course, 146 BCE was a bad year for them in that regard.
Slavery is what the romans considered clemency.
@Bigdog Billdog The accounts about the Roman slaves that we have are mostly about those lucky slaves who were on the brink of buying their freedom.
Even then, there are accounts that if a Roman was killed, everyone was confident he was killed by his own slaves, in revenge.
There is no such thing as "progressive" in this world.
@@jurisprudens Everything's relative. Painting the entirety of human history with a contemporary moral brush is as anachronistic as it is arrogant.
True. But certain things are unanimously evil. Slavery, mass murder and pillaging was as wrong then as it is now. Just because the world itself was more brutal doesn't make them any better. The 21st century is very brutal in its own ways.
@@nadiaromantini8836 A common legal definition today that I'm sure you've heard here and there is Mens Rea, which means guilty mind. It's the legal standard that without the knowledge of one's own criminality one can't truly be guilty. By that standard, it's unreasonable to conclude that slavery was wrong when no one could conceive of it being wrong. It was merely a fact of life in a vicious struggle for survival and dominance. That's why trying to apply the philosophical values of the Enlightenment that you've inherited on people who believed that their ability to rape was a proof they had a God given right to do so isn't reasonable. The only reason these men of the past look like moral ants is because you haven't noticed you're standing on the shoulders of giants and can't appreciate what that truly entails. What opportunity did anyone have to conceive of these actions as wrong in a zeitgeist of gods, death and destruction? Without a guilty mind there can't be guilt.
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Based
How could someone already dislike?
Filthy barbarians
Quisque est barbarus alio
The death of Julian the Apostate was the end of Pagan Rome and marked the fall of the old gods. It's hard not to wonder who actually killed him.
Small hats
I came
I shidded
I farded
I am Benedict Shapiro
We came, we saw, he died *cackle*
Shouldn't have quick-walled with palisades.
Should have double-walled with palisades. Never fails.
ROMA VICTA!
Its Roma Invicta
He killed over 3 Million Gauls.
Genocide.
There's nothing exceptional about genocide, historically speaking.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! I LIKE WHAT HANNIBAL BARCA DID TO THE ROMANS AT CANNAE DURING HIS CAMPAIGNS AGAINST ROME!!! I ALSO LIKE WHAT ARMINIUS DID TO THE ROMANS AT TEUTOBURG AND WHAT THE PARTHIANS DID TO THE ROMANS AT CARRHAE!!! I ALSO LIKE WHAT THE PARTHIANS DID TO CRASSUS AFTER HE WAS DEFEATED AT CARRHAE!!!
PRAISE HANNIBAL BARCA!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
â@@jasondelrosario5523cry harder
đ„ Its difficult to share these videos and get others interested in them, when it has an immediate commercial at the start.
In other words "Veni, Vidi, Vici. Or in my case Vidi, Vidi, Vici non possum.
I came, i saw, i press like.
Like St Jerome., weâre mourning the fall of the West now
David not really